S12 EP36: Jessica Hynes

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1:28Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with...

1:55Solid Ryan and Anya from Leicester He may be from Swansea originally Yeah Do you want some physical comedy Rob? Yeah come on give it to me So I'd lost These are my reserved glasses Yeah Nice tortoiseshell I really like them But one of the things has fallen off But you can't see it so it's fine Makes you look bookish And too busy with literacy Literacy? Literature That's it To be bothered by looks I don't think it's quite charming you look like a sort of Mark Darcy kind character. Okay, right, good. So it's because I'd lost my main glasses. Yeah, well, obviously you don't know where. Where, right.

2:32So then this morning, put these on, went downstairs. Got dressed, just put on some old trousers. Old trousers, yeah? You know, like trousers from the floor from a few days. Oh, so trousers you wore before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, trousers from the floor, yeah. So did you just put trousers on the floor that you've worn before? Well, there's a bit of a problem at the moment because our builders are doing, my wardrobes are behind a dust sheet because my builders are building a hole in the room my wardrobes are in. Got you. Normally I put my old trousers on like a chair. Yeah, well, things are all a bit...

3:09No, I'm not criticising you. But basically my old trousers are on. Haven't worn them for say three days. Okay. Put them back on. Yeah. Downstairs, make a cup of tea. Put my hands in my pocket. unthinkingly just get my glasses out of my pocket there you go put them on top of my glasses without thinking that's lovely didn't even think just did that and they actually fit quite well on they do don't they so you got double so I got double glasses I put on double glasses when I picked them out of the pocket yeah I wasn't even thinking oh there are my glasses I just was like out of out of boom straight on double glasses straight on double glasses at least you found them yeah good I've never got two pairs of glasses So when do you reckon you took them off like late at night?

3:55Yes, because I'm sleeping on the floor. Where your trousers are. No wonder they're on the floor. Well, I haven't got a bedside table. So I used to put them on the bedside table. I haven't got a floorside table. So I used to put them on the bedside table. Yeah. But now they're always getting lost because I'm like taking them off and then putting them in my pocket or something because I'm like, where should I put these? That's safe. That's safe. What? Because I don't want to just leave them on the floor. No, because that's dangerous. So you want to leave them on the floor, hidden inside a trouser.

4:26Exactly. Perfect. In a room that the builders are in. Exactly. What's your timeline for sleeping in a bed? About eight hours a night, ideally. Yes, obviously. About three to four months. Time of recording. And is that because the building work or the kids... Building work in my daughter's and my son's room at the moment. Right, okay. So at the moment you're all just... You're basically, as a family, moving from room to room. And your son and wife are in the bed and you and your daughter on the floor. Yeah. How does she feel about sleeping on the floor? She went in the bed the other day. With Rose and your son?

4:59No, with Rose. She was like, I've got to have a go. And so where is your son on the floor with you? Do you know what? I think Rose went on the floor. Rose went on the floor and she was like, this is awful. And I was like, yeah. Do you know if she forgot to sleep? Is it worth, while the building's getting on, just buying a cheap double bed or single bed mattresses that you can put in around the side so the floor becomes beds. We are on mattresses. You are on actual proper mattresses. No, not proper mattresses. No, what mattresses are you on? Maybe we should just buy a bed. I just think, but if you've got space, why don't you just buy another bed and just accept that you now live in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and you are the grandparent.

5:37Why don't we think about the beds that are, buy a bed that's going to be used in one of the other rooms when they're ready. Yeah, and then you just move it. Yeah. Good idea. I think you can't, no wonder you feel tired. Yeah, just accept it and go, right, we're all in the same room for the next four months while we do renovations, and then once the building work's done, we can try and get the kids back in their rooms. This is Jessica Hines. You can't sleep on the floor. Sorry, I thought that was... Oh, sorry, yeah. You can't... But you can't just sleep on the floor. This is Jessica Hines. There you go.

6:11Jessica Hines, welcome to the show. Thank you. It's very exciting. Can I start with some huge praise? yes always because it's rare that we have someone on who I remember just being incredible like when I was into comedy before I did comedy so you being Cheryl in the Royal Family which was the first time I really came across you I think would that be well I think that was kind of almost simultaneous to space. I think it was almost the same year in fact. Was it? What a year. What a year. And those two things were so... I had my first child as well. Was it? No way. And that's why he brought it up because he's so good at linking stuff back to parenting hell.

6:59So you had your first child as everything just broke in one kind of... Yes, that's correct. Wow. And what was that like? I think you can imagine what that was like. Would you like the coffee table near you to put your tea down? Oh, that's very kind. I don't mind holding it. No, because I put it in front of you and then josh came in and moved it back he did didn't he no no no it's okay yes they can share it you guys yeah i'll just keep mine on the floor yeah so this class system in order i think they were both kind of filmed at the same time but they're not sure which one came out first were you pregnant in either of them no no no so how old would you have been at that point i was just 25 just 25 yeah and so your whole life just changes in one kind of year yeah i mean i did I did, I think I, you know, I was already, you know, I mean, I did kind of, I'd already packed in quite a lot anyway.

7:50You know. 25 was quite young though, to sort of like in the world of acting and TV to have a child and also two massive shows at that point that really launched you into sort of like popular culture. So was it an overwhelming, like how did that year feel at the time? Well, it felt like I was just packing a lot in. Yeah. Packing a lot in. but you know so when you come to the second series of Spaced are you doing that one with a small are you writing it and recording it? we wrote nearby which was lovely Simon came over and we had a little office so I could come back and forth while I was writing as an actor writer is that the perfect writing job with a newborn baby because being on set and early starts is it a bit more logistics all over the place Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say that, but it's definitely, during the process, it's definitely, you know, easier, I would say, because it's less intense, and obviously there's less early morning.

8:51Yeah. So how many kids have you got, what are their ages now? They're three, they're all grown up. They're not really kids anymore, they're all adults. So does that mean I'm not technically a parent anymore? No, you're still a parent. That's how it works, isn't it? I'm thinking, let me off the hook. Do you want to go? When do I, can I reinvent myself now? as a non-parent. You can reinvent yourself as a non-parent. I've done a great job. Is it time to just hang up my, you know, lectures? If they were here now, how would you introduce them then if you don't want to be the parent? If you're not a parent anymore, they are?

9:21My mates. They're my children. My adorable children. And are they all moved out? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, the thing is, I think, you know, like, we were all together a lot, but yeah, they have. Yeah. Do you feel nostalgic when you think back to those times, those early times. Well, I do say, I mean, your kids, the ages that your kids are, yours are 10 and 8, aren't they? Rob's are 10 and 8, yeah. 10 and 8 and yours are 8 and 4. Yeah. It must be really annoying when people say, which I'm sure they do, oh my God, just enjoy it, enjoy it. Yeah, go so queer, yeah. Enjoy it and you're thinking, what are you talking about?

9:58Like, how are you, which is you want to make, exactly, presumably that's why you're doing this podcast. But it's actually, it's so, you know, yes, enjoy it. And, you know, if there's one thing I would say is do go back to the place that is the most simplest, nicest place to go on holiday. Yes. You don't need anything fancy. Literally just a different place. That's easy. You know where everything is. They eat the pasta in that restaurant. You know, there's no steps to the beach. He's got it. Thank you. Rob's got it. There's only one thing I do well and that's holidays. Do you, Rob? Oh, I love hearing about family holidays.

10:36Yeah, I do. We go hard on holidays and experiences over things more so, I'd say us. That is so good. And do you tend to go back? The main experience is repeatedly going on rides in Florida, but it's still an experience. Is that where you go back? Do you regularly go back to the same place? We regularly go back there to do the ride. The kids love all the rides at Universal and Disney. And they know them all. We know them all. And then we go to, there's a few different resorts that we go to where we've been to before that are really good. So we're very comfortable going back there. and the kids love it and we love it.

11:07And we know that if we go there, we're going to relax straight away. Yeah. When I was a kid, we used to go to the same place every year. Nice. Which was Pembrokeshire in West Wales. And Pembrokeshire's lovely. Yeah. But I think I, because we went every year, I think I've actually got more fond, nostalgic memories of that place because it felt like we were going, than if we'd dotted around and you go, oh yeah, we went on that holiday. Yeah. Going to the same place actually makes it almost more vivid in a way. Absolutely. absolutely and because you kind of they almost merge and when and when everyone's talking about it everyone's like is that was that the time that oh no no yeah what year was that what year was that and was i was i eight or was i was i five or you know and i and i do think going back and going back to the same place is such a good shout yeah i do that's that's the only thing that's only i would never ever give parent advice to anyone yeah ever but like that is something that i do tentatively suggest and then go yeah we've got that worked out well we we always used to go to this place at one point you don't need to be specific no i'll give you the address this is where we will be no it's just this gorgeous we used to rent these gorgeous little holiday cottage just down in cornwall that's it and it lovely fields little creek and it was the most beautiful place run by people who were so friendly and welcoming and lovely and you know and yeah we went there to the point where at one point one of the kids was like do we do we own this

12:36because it was just this beautiful really simple place and you get there and you can just run out the car run out in the fields and then everyone disappears and comes back with loads of stories oh god so that's happened and then they're down there and they're in the river and i don't know if we can get it back again. But anyway, I've got to go back again. But I need some crisps. I need some, I need something to drink. And then, and that's like the best, the best, the best. So I wish we'd done that more, the most simple, simple things. Have you gone back since they've grown up? Oh yeah, yeah, we've gone.

13:07Oh, that's nice. The saddest. Anyway, we'll be there. Just so you know our dates. Obviously, we'll be at the same place. So just let us know if you need picking up the station. oh we'll try to get you from Newcastle and bring you down exactly if any of your uni friends want to come yes exactly but that was kind of magical as well because we kind of know the people who actually do own the places and that's sweet so build a relationship with them are they near sort of having families of their own or are they very much sort of mid-twenties sort of living their life still in their twenties living their lives but that I mean that for me I mean that's like yeah then they could potentially be near having families but I think they're the years where they go missing the most for parents because when they do have kids that's when they gravitate back to sort of home, normality advice or childcare but that 20s is a bit of, they're off you know.

14:05Did you both gravitate back to like So I've just moved back to Devon Back into your parents' house? I've just moved back to my parents' house My wife's just divorced and we haven't moved back to my parents' house How's that going? okay right good you need the help Josh you need the help he's not wanting to be a parent things come full circle no so I moved away when I was 18 went to I grew up in Devon yeah went to Manchester and then came to London for like 20 years but then we were just finding where we lived in London too much for the kids so we moved back to Devon but not exactly where I grew up it's not like the and so they're going to the same school back into the same no okay yeah but yeah I never ever ever thought that would happen Did you ever ever ever think That you were going to have children No There you go Did you Yeah I always wanted a family And kids Yeah Did you I did I do love babies I've always loved babies You know and obviously That's a big help I mean it's not It's not a total game changer I mean you know It's not a total prerequisite But it does help I do love babies To the point that That I would often Like make friends with babies like other people's babies.

15:16Oh, would you? In a queue? Oh, in a queue, crying on an aeroplane. Oh, really? You offer to hold? Oh, I would always offer to hold. Really? I would hover around, you know, if they're there by the loos, just rocking the baby, I'd just kind of go. What's your success rate on the yes from that offer to hold? Well, in some cases, maybe perhaps I should have waited for a yes because...

15:41You've plucked like the Pope. I'm just joking. Of course, I waited for a year. But yeah, no, I mean, surprisingly, but then it becomes almost a case of them not wanting to be rude because of the pleading look in my eyes. They think, she really, really wants to hold this baby. Maybe I should just let her hold it. But my children will now say, if they see a baby, they're like, mum, just leave the baby. Leave the baby. Don't touch the baby. Just don't approach the baby. Don't look at the baby. And I'm like, come on. So would you take your seat, not if the seatbelt sign was on, but if you were seated on a plane Seated on a plane I gravitate towards the crying baby sound Wow You ask me to move closer I just hover around I just have a feeling of like especially on a long haul And do they ever go Never, no, never Of course they don't And also you're on a long haul flight of people from everywhere Or maybe they're secretly going Oh I think yeah maybe they're inside I think it's Cheryl from the Royal Family but also as well you don't want to ask that if the baby's asleep at that point yeah instead of having a conversation with the person holding the baby you'd never wrestle a sleeping baby away from a contented mother no I do try and like if someone's got a baby that's kicking off I don't really offer but I do sort of like sort of smile at them and sort of give them like a hug you know or like you're doing well you know that kind of thing it's so hard I do I do as well it's so brutal oh it is brutal yeah so were you with your ones obviously were you obsessed with them at the baby age as well and then did you find it hard when they got older or is it more since they've grown up that babies for you have become even more enticing I've always loved babies and I still love babies and you know I like I do like kids in general anyway so you know I enjoyed all the fun aspects of being a parent yeah can I just correct that when I said I didn't want I never imagined myself being a kid I always backhand you now about that.

17:37She might be listening. By the time we came to have kids, that was, we were planning on having kids. Yeah. But you didn't say you'd have them when you were growing up. In my 20s, I was like, why would I do that? Yeah, it seems so, like, what? Yeah. I understand. Really, like, you just thought that would never be me kind of thing. Yeah, because I just thought I just didn't see the, I was just too selfish. Or just young just young and when you're a child both are the same thing often like children you know are not gonna no you know I mean they might want to play and maybe you'll like the idea of having a baby but the reality of it is obviously that comes with maturity doesn't it like engaging with the reality of it when you were like 25 and you had a kid and you're part of that kind of generation of comedy actors and stuff yeah I don't know a huge amount about them but I think we've had Nick Frost on here and stuff their kids are they've had their kids later yes yes was it were you living quite a different life to everyone else yes you could say that yeah once the baby came absolutely yes yeah and what about when they said they were tired in meetings during the day how did you feel about that when you my babies which i brought to the meetings no or oh no all that i mean no i don't i just you know i I think I was so exhausted I didn't even have the mental capacity to even judge at that point.

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21:57Do you, with parenting, I can imagine you just being a very brilliant doting mother. Good. I'm trying to picture you. Keep that. I never want to disavow you of that perfect image of me. I'd like to lean into that. You could elaborate on that. Okay, so there's a baby. Lovely. Oh, I love this. it's difficult to get to sleep but you don't mind it's like a kind of like an advert for a bank about getting your first mortgage when the couple's really happy and you've never needed to tell your kids off or raise your voice ever happy that's famously known about you so this is my next question I'm trying to place what you're like with a kind of moody teenage moody teenager well I guess you know like I mean but that doesn't still apply am I not perfect in that fantasy as well can we not just spin off can we not just stall that fantasy over should I be should I be should I be moving the doting mother idea the whole way through please do please feel free to do that please feel free to do that did you have any moments where you was acting as the character of a mum that would maybe get annoyed of a moody teenager you'd have to go method in that moment well I mean I guess you guys are just about to go into this phase right yeah you know yeah i mean what what i would say is is you know that there there is there is a lot to be said for the continuing parenting through teens and what i would say is that boundaries are you know that need to be explained and and laid down and they get they test them don't they they well yeah because they're not fully adult yet and and that's right that they should and that they should be able to so the best the best um you know the best thing i ever read about teams is that when you're laying down the boundaries and the rules that maybe sometimes seem a bit like extreme what you're doing is you and you're going listen this is non-negotiable this is non-negotiable that is a rule that is a thing that we're not going to discuss it further and and that and you're being really firm about it and very sure about it what you're doing is not necessarily preventing them from doing it should they decide to do it against your will what you're giving them is a really solid cast iron excuse to not do it yeah if there's a little part of them that like i don't really want to do that but i just feel very peer pressured and under pressure so what you're giving them then is like oh my menopi actually my parents would kill me yeah yeah oh i'm getting in so much trouble if i did that and so yeah no it's just not worth me you know even bothering so the the more you can sell that as a reality to them then the more they can sell that as a reality to people who might be pressuring them to doing something that they don't want to do because the fact is is you can't watch them all the time once they start to have freedom and advocate for themselves but you can give them the strength to say do you know what i just can't I'm so sorry because oh you know what he's like he's a bully you know what she's like she's bloody terrifying right so it's kind of good to be that bit with all the love in the world it's a balance right I can imagine you've been quite sort of it would be quite impactful if you were sort of like not angry but upset and was like firm because you're so playful your whole thing your work is play that's your personality you like to play and have fun and be sort of silly and approachable and stuff but if you turn and go, no, I'm not happy with that, I imagine that.

25:38Yeah. Quite impactful. Well, you know, I mean, I guess you need to be able to, you know, be convincing. Yeah. You mean what you say, but, you know, there's by no means, you know, yeah. I'm going to struggle with it, Josh, because if we have to, like... Do you struggle with it? One of my daughters is something that wasn't really okay. We sort of had to tell her that that's not okay and explain it. and we did it quite not firmly aggressively but like I wasn't being the fun dad and go we can't do that because of this because of that and she was like oh hold on what's happening a little bit and she was like oh a bit and it worked she got upset yeah a little bit of like oh good I feel bad it doesn't matter we make people make mistakes and do you know anyway she went I need to go to the toilet she went okay go to the toilet we'll finish the chat when you come back and then she went like me and me basically nearly burst into laughter because it wasn't a massively serious thing she had to do but it felt like we were cosplaying as actual adults because it was like it felt so unnatural

26:34because you can't sort of just laugh everything off. Things that need to be... Well, there's going to come a time, Rob, when she's going to be able to say, you're just cosplaying as actual evidence. And you have to be ready for that, is all I'm going to say. Okay, yeah. That's true. Well, they can read. And it's going to come very, very, very soon. It is because they'll say, you're only saying that because you want me to do that. They're so smart and quick and I'm so tired. It's not a fair fight. No. absolutely no were you amazing at stories imaginative play all those kind of i did love telling stories yeah were you properly selling it oh yeah i used to love i mean i made a whole story which they you know yeah just make it all up oh i loved it oh yeah we did we oh yeah we used to do like shadow puppets and all of that did you yeah we love i loved it a lot i mean that's the best thing right having fun like that yeah yeah you know yeah i loved it it's the silly games isn't it where yeah when you get a chance to it's just the best yeah and after a long day filming yes you you're happy to come home and perform a bit more well a lot of acting's waiting around oh it is isn't it it really is but it depends i mean the thing is is the reality probably is is that like you know i mean if it if there's a willing audience it doesn't matter what time it oh another story you say you know probably more than any other role i might yeah be probably like yeah the bit the part the parts the you know the hardcore parts like the you know the real kind of slog of yeah domesticity like the pile of laundry and the this and the that you know that's i would i would i would perform a yeah you know an extended shadow puppet show over that any day but who wouldn't I feel like you are so, well, going to be so good at it.

28:33We're going to be so excited to be like a grandparent. Stop. I knew what you were going to say. Oh, my God. I can feel it coming through you. It's a fire burning in you that is electric. No pressure, guys. No pressure. Literally nose in the window. I thought I'd pop in. Matching anoraps. Oh, come on. Straight down to Cornwall. Now we do own it here because there's more of us. oh but you know whatever happens happens i'm happy with whatever let nanny tell your story anyway what would you like to be called have you got a name that you've thought about do you know what i'm really i don't approve of that i think when a grandparent picks their name i'm like i think it's a bit yeah so just let them you know call me goomer or whatever and you're like, okay.

29:25Whatever it is, Guma. You wouldn't want to be calling her Guma. That's like... Guma's at the name for me. I know. It just popped out in my head. I know, I know, I know, I know. It just popped out. I have seen it. I have seen The Soprano. You're Guma. No, but you know, no. I'm thinking it's got to be up to... And the children literally might be able to say granny. They might not want to call it Gany. I want to be called... Yeah, I agree, yeah. I think you just have to let it happen naturally. they might want to call you Jessica you know who knows we do seem to have got to an age and time where there is a real very few people are called granny now every family seems to just have a different word nanny or nan or just like like Goomar Goomar I'll tell you what that's it now Nanny Goomar we are Sopranos fans so we'd all be in on the joke it'd be fine talking of TV crime oh hello there he goes he wasn't a criminal that's correct but right so I hadn't seen patients but in preparation for this because I don't watch TV really don't you?

30:42are you too busy parenting? I work in the evening all my kids do you know I don't get to watch much TV he reads books and panics does he? he reads books and panics yeah but recording a podcast and promoting a podcast on the way up and watching an episode it's good it's really three things that I like okay York love York crime love crime great autism I'm interested in autism yeah it's a big three for me it's got all three it's got all three I tell you what if you had to tell me what those three were going to be I don't think I would have guessed those three also you can't say to the star of a show the favourite thing of play is where it's set no no no no York is a lovely place it's very very much featured I would have gone I love you innit no no no we take that as red we take that as red I've had a lot of people saying oh she's very grumpy isn't she character not very nice is she I know but that's all part of it it's weird that isn't it when people go like oh you're grumpy but that's the character but they sort of almost they're upset yeah they're upset that you're being a bit stern in it yeah yeah yeah but I think you've got it in you I have I have For people who haven't seen it Give us the elevator pitch It is a murder show Yeah Around a young woman who works in the criminal records office Called Patience Who has a preternatural skill Of solving crime Because she works in the criminal records office And she can see links between all the cases Yeah So she is absolutely brilliant And kind of starts to work on the murders With the team The detective team which is me as D.I.

32:22Frankie Monroe Nathan Welsh as D.S. Jake Hunter and other brilliant actors who are in it and basically she kind of joins us and helps us solve the crime and it's also about her life because she is on the spectrum in the show she is in real life and she is in the show and so it's about her also I think what other people are really connecting with is watching this lovely, young, confident woman who's really interested in solving crime and interested in the world, also navigating life as a young woman, also, you know, 20, 22, 23, I think her character is. And so there's been a real connect with actually just enjoying a young woman actually doing something quite wholesome, solving murders, but also trying to navigate the world.

33:12And also showing the benefits of, you know, her being on the spectrum where sometimes, you know, everyone's, you know, actually showing it in real terms of what that skill set can give you as opposed to the challenges of it, which sometimes dominate the message. I mean, there is an aspect of that. She's very different from her character. They're totally two different people. But yeah, Patience is a really brilliant, interesting young female character. It's a really lovely lead and the shows are great fun. And they're also genuinely all ages. So you can sit down and watch it with a 12-year-old who is a little bit into crime.

33:43Patience has mice. No, no. I mean, there's sort of, you know, there's definitely, there's murder in it. Yeah. But there's not a lot of gore. Yeah. You know. We're talking, Rob, closer to Richard Osman than Scarface. I would say that's true. Yeah. I would say that's true. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. One thing I really like about it is that I'm getting a different kind of response. So I'm quite used to living in a small town and having people ignore me and not, you know, pay me any mind. And now, since doing this show, which has been so popular, I mean, it's been the first season, which I wasn't in so I can't claim any responsibility for that the show was a hit in the first season which I wasn't in and then now I'm in the second season it's kept its audience and people love it but now I'm getting a different I'm experiencing like I was just walking the dog the other day and there was somebody who I always see walking the dog who's kind of like speeding up next to me and I might nod at her and you can tell when someone will almost frequently give you the I'm not impressed with you face which happens frequently you know yeah okay whatever maybe on the I'm not impressed with you moving on and this woman who had often given me that face and I was like do you know what that's totally valid I get that you know whatever was sort of kind of scuttling up with her dog kind of catch up with me to sort of peer around and I was thinking I think she's coming to say something she wants to engage with me and she was just like patience and like as if to say now you're in something yeah yeah now you're somebody now you're somebody yeah now you're somebody i can smile in and knowing hello kind of way when we're walking my dog where you mocked the olympics i didn't like that didn't you no no no i was being her i was being her oh you're being her okay i should really you did okay good even if I didn't I wouldn't have something out I didn't have you in technique that's great that's a bit like mine I should have got that that's even more reason why I should have got it so you actually thought he was being serious I thought he was being serious in that moment I thought he was playing I thought he was throwing a wild card in a little nunchuck a little comedy nunchuck in there and going what are you going to do with that so I'd have been like what am I going to do that's some sort of power play yeah yeah you could make jokes about murder or about how you know but you can't make jokes about the Olympics not our beloved Olympics yeah exactly but you're not doing that you're joking he was playing the part of that lady that now respects me yes that lady who now respects you but that's that's really nice your whole new audience yeah and you know on messages and people have your kids watched it one has yes do you like them to watch it or I have I feel no like if they want to and they do it's lovely and I love it because all my kids have really a very interesting and critical in a very intelligent way.

36:43So like, she was like, oh yeah, she gave you feedback. She said, mum, I love it. I could watch another 20. And then she obviously gave me, she qualified it. You're a bit moody. She qualified it. I won't go into that. But getting a thumbs up from her felt fantastic because she's discerning and she watches a lot of TV. Had you told her to watch it? Oh, absolutely not. No, no. No, so she just came to you and watched it. I would never do that. I would never do that. Maybe I should do that more because people go, I was like, well, if they want to watch something, they'll watch it. Yeah, but I... I'm going to sit them down and say, me, let's watch me.