S12 EP38: Eddie Marsan

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3:51I think we'll be all right, won't we? It's up to you. I think you'll be fine. Take your jacket off, mate. I don't know what the rules are with strobing. Well, it can look a bit... Don't move your body like that. What? Well, you all know you're strobing yourself. You're strobing yourself off, mate. Well, I'm shaking my jacket off. You're shaking your jacket off on the floor. Cat, I've got to piss on. How are the cats, by the way? Great, actually. Well, you have to take them out of the bedroom. You have to take them out of the bedroom? So last night... A squish and a squeeze, your bedroom, isn't it?

4:21Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you're all in the same room still? Love it. Have you got a mattress on the floor yet? A proper bed mattress? No. You've got to do that. I know. Accept your fate. You're on the floor, but at least have a mattress. Accept my certain fate, yeah. It's too permanent. This is about three years you've slept on the floor. I know. I quite like it. I can't imagine ever going back to a bed. Is anyone else still sleeping on the floor? Let us know. Yeah. What's the longest you've slept on the floor for? Not in a bleak way.

4:50Or someone that was held captive Yeah, yeah, Terry Waite Anyway Anyway, Terry Waite's my go-to reference for hostage Yes Give me some other genres Damien Lewis in that TV show The hostage Was it called that? No No, it was called something else Give me some other genres of thing And I'll tell you who my go-to reference is Okay, attractive lady Cindy Crawford Is it like, who do you think you are? Cindy Crawford Cindy Crawford okay Tough Man Ross Kemp This is a great game okay someone a bit silly Joe Piscuali nice Super Intelligent Super Intelligent Carol Vorderman Clumsy Clumsy Mr Bean I thought you were going to know Frank Spencer oh yeah that's a good one yeah yeah Sexy Man Sexy Man David Gandy Good Singer Good singer.

5:48Beyonce? I'm not thinking... This is your first thing. I'm trying to think of... Have you got any more, Michael, that you want to throw in? Bad Boy. Bad Boy! Darren Day. Good person, a kind heart. Oh, Dame Judi Dench. That Mother Teresa. Yeah, Mother Teresa. Someone a bit cool and edgy. Oh, I think The Sleaford Mods Someone who's dangerous Reggie Cry Boring Boring That's a good one Who's boring It's hard when the reference points yourself

6:35I didn't fuel to the Reddit fire And we don't get on Someone who's boring I would go with Steve Davis it's a very neat short venn diagram of your reference i love it it's great well on another intro we'll do yours but yes we have a proper do you know what if i was to say yeah national treasure you might say this person as you're going to a hollywood star hollywood star this is exciting because let's be honest with the biggies in scorsese in six years of doing this you have to work through a bit of chaff. Yeah. And today we've got all wheat. All wheat. Wheater Bix. Exactly. All to all wheat. Four kids as well.

7:18Four kids, perfect. Brilliantly talented actor, Eddie Marsden. Is it Marsden or Marsden? Marsden, I think. Yeah, I always thought it was Marsden, but it's Marsden. Yeah, it's Marsden. I found that out today as well. Is that Chris Marsden, the bald footballer? Exactly, yeah. That's what's done me. If you said bald footballer, that's where I'd have gone. Long-haired footballer. Long-haired footballer, Darren Peacock.

7:44Ginger person. Paul Scholes. But that might be because I'm already thinking about football. Yeah, sorry, okay. I'll do some other ones, yeah. Tall person. Literally, Marsden.

7:55We're rolling. We're rolling. Are we rolling? Oh, fuck. Eddie. Yeah. Stop great, Scott. Normally when you're rolling, you are in character. Yeah, I am, yeah. Do you like being yourself? No. Are you one of those actors that hates being... I don't mind being myself. I like disappearing. It's what I do. And I quite like that. Initially, when I first started, I thought I was going to be the next Tommy Steele, you know, like charismatic cockney. I was going to be Long Chaney junior. Yeah. And to play all the monsters. so I thought I might as well earn a few bucks. So how are you out in public though?

8:37Because you've done so many films now and you're so known and loved. Do you find that a bit overwhelming when people recognise you and want to talk to you when obviously you like disappearing and being a character? You know what's funny is people recognise me for different things. I mean, a lot of people recognise me for Ray Donovan. Yeah. And especially if you go over to the States, Ray Donovan is a big thing. But over here, some people recognise you for the Mike Lee thing and they want to sit down and talk to you about. the artistic serious chat yeah a lot of the young a lot a lot of the youth know me from Hancock so they just want to talk to me about Will Smith yeah and you talk about that you know that peaked after the Oscars what you've done if you as Chris I said I've had him already

9:26how many kids got you four kids kids yeah I've got 15 year old yeah 17 year old 20 year old and 21 oh wow so they're they put some of them fly in the nest yeah my my two oldest have flown a nester at university in drama school my 17 year olds yeah and he's about to my 17 year olds about to go into university and my 15 year olds about the dual levels and when you've got someone going to drama school do you think oh my god it's a tough industry or do you amazing I'm so proud of them I don't think they realize that tough ears yeah because they've seen someone say they only see working actors don't realize how tough it is also as well they must see you being you which is like yeah just a normal dad yeah go enough to do something well if he could do it and he's that when you're when you're dad there's a funny thing when your dad you're quite useless at home I mean I was always so much my wife kept it all going so when came home I just fit it in yeah what useless so whenever whenever they they consider what I do they think well he's useless so they kind of go well you know if you can do it I can do it I remember being in Bethnal Green and there was a there was a guy with he had a drug a drug addiction used to be on the street he came up to me better agreement it I don't want to ask you about acting because I looked at you and I thought, well, if he could do it.

10:57Well, that representation is important, and you've done a lot about that, about working class people being in the arts. I think that's so important because, you know, if you can see someone else doing it, then it looks achievable rather than it being totally alien. For me, I used to love Billy Connolly and Richard Pryor, but they felt like such... He was obviously like a folk singer. Yes. I'm from Scotland, which when you grab me, South East London, is like this crazy guy. There's not a huge amount of similarities between your act and Billy Connolly's. Exactly. And Richard Pryor and his mad stories about growing up.

11:25Yeah, exactly. But neither of them are anything like you. But when I saw Alan Davis and Peter Kay talking about dogs and baked bean juice and biscuits and all that, I was like, oh, there's a world that these are talking about things I understand and maybe I can do it. So, like, you know, for your kids, like, it must be weird that, you know, they're going into a world now where they're going to uni and studying and stuff like that. and they're growing up in a totally different way to how you grew up. Well, one of the hardest things about, for me, being a parent is I come from a completely different background to the ones my kids live in.

12:01So sometimes you don't realise how alien it is. When my boys came from West London, went to quite a posh school, and they'd play football, and all the other dads would be like, oh, well done, Jasper, well done. And they'd be on the line, go on, fire post, boy! Fire post! Go on, accuse you of getting stuck inside! One day my son, my eldest son, my daughter's the oldest, but my oldest boy, he was in the middle of a football game, he stopped running and said, Daddy, Les Cockney. Les Cockney. You've got range, haven't you? Come on. Can you disappear for a bit, Dad, at the moment? You want Les Cockney?

12:38My dad used to have his fag hanging out his mouth, going, go on, boy. And I was literally my father for a minute. Yeah, go on, boy, boy. My dad, we had a neighbour called Roy, Roy the boy is a cab driver and he had his cab, it was perfectly clean, black cab driver and it had done 300 ,000 miles. And this was, I lived sort of near Mottenham Elton Way and I had a girlfriend in Islington, North London. Oh alright, big shot. Yeah, don't want to show off but I've had girlfriends. You're punching the bummer away Jimmy. Exactly, at the angel. And he'd come up to me and he was so, that generation of people, he might have been about your dad's age actually he come up went what you going up to North London for boy it was like going all the way there for a girlfriend but that boy boy it's like that sort of died off a little bit boy do you say I came up in this situation you're in this time and the worst thing I did was to tell my kids now because I left school at I left school at 15 before I was 16 because I didn't really do any GCSEs I got no qualifications and I thought I thought that would inspire them because I was giving them a good life yeah and I said you look you know I am and but soon realized that they would say to me daddy you don't know what you're talking about because you never did exams so there is a point where I was just useless yeah there's nothing I could do you know and even even would like doing drama at school I can't really give many notes because I'm not really a an experienced actor I'm just daddy and daddy's useless did you Did you go up through drama school and stuff?

14:09I went to drama. I eventually got into Mountview when I was... I was an apprentice printer initially. And I was in a club in Mare Street in Hackney. And I was dancing in the club with my mate Emmanuel. And Emmanuel was like tall, St. Lucian of St. Lucian descent, looked gorgeous, and he ended up being a model. And someone asked him to be an extra in a movie. And he said, yeah, can I take Eddie? And they took me, and I was there, and I saw Jamie Foreman, who became a friend of mine, do a scene on his dance floor. we had to walk across the dance floor and i suddenly thought god i want to be an actor that's what i want to do and that's how it started yeah so how did you then go to get into drama school well first of all me and emmanuel i tried to get in drama school so emmanuel coached me on and neither of us knew what we were doing so i used to be a printer right so in print and in printing you've got this thing called yeah i don't avoid you but printing is all about the chemical balance between the ink and the paper right when it's wrong you get this thing called scumming where the paper gets dirty, right?

15:04So on Shakespeare, you know in Shakespeare you've got a lot of commas where before words, there's a comma where they miss out the beginning of a word. I didn't know what that was. So I'm reading this thing and I'm going, look at that scumming on that. I have no idea what I was doing. And I tried for about four years to get into drama school. Eventually got in. Didn't your boss pay for you to go in? Yeah, he was an East End bookmaker. yeah he paid he said what you want to do us what you want to do boy yeah I said I want to be a I want to be an actor he said well if you get in our pay and he did oh wow book in Wolfenstow dog track yeah oh wow so it's a totally different childhood your kids have had completely different completely but they love going back to the East End yeah I've gone back they go back there they go back I got Emmanuel's mom his mom my kids go and see her at Christmas and take her flowers oh wow he's still you can't get I'm still very much in touch with it yeah my kids I just love that.

15:58It's funny because... It's changed a lot, right? Not down my end. Oh. Once you get past Palicis, it's still the same. I mean, up near Shoreditch, you saw, you know, a hipster socialist walking around. It was twats that moved into Victoria Park. Yeah. That was me. I left. I left. I've gone back to Devon, my roots.

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18:59You said four kids. Yes. And they presumably have come on, you know, you've been busy for, you know, 20 years, like super back to back, presumably. And they've grown up on, they've grown up travelling. When we did Ray Donovan, and my wife, bless her, was amazing. She had four kids under the age of seven, and she used to take them on planes over to L.A. to see me. Oh, my word. Like school holidays and summer holidays and be with me. And they were amazing. They grew up on film sets. They grew up in Culver City. We did Ray Donovan. They grew up around that, and they used to love all the food because they had a load of sweet.

19:36You could always tell when Eddie's kids were there because all the door handles in the studio were sticky because the kids were going... And were the studio and the producers happy for that to happen? Yeah, they loved it. It was encouraged. Leav had two kids. Dash had a kid. So we'd all have barbecues. All the kids grew up together. Oh, nice. Amazing. It was great fun. Because your partner was a make-up artist, is that right? My wife was a make-up artist. She's a writer now, but she was a make-up artist. Yeah, so is that how you met? Yeah. And then did she stop that one? The kids were younger then when you were working.

20:04She met me. Do you remember Monkey Magic? No, what was Monkey Magic? Monkey Pigsy. Do you remember that? I'm not with the... It was dubbed. Yeah, yeah. I played a movie of that and I played Pixie. Right. So I was Pixie. So my wife did that with make-up. She ended up marrying the pig. But the thing is, the boyfriend before me was like a good-looking and he was a model and he had headshots. So I used to put his photograph on the fridge and me as a pig next to it. What you could have won. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what are you like as a dad then? because you seem very affable and fun um i can be a sergeant major one week and a hippie the next can you know because you don't know what you're doing do you know you know when you go to those parent cancers when you're a kid and when you're when you're back at your first kid and someone's read a book and they think well that's how you do it you think yeah yeah you you you make it up as you go along really yeah all you can do is just just love them really you know yeah and they do see the worst of you and they see the best of you yeah you know i mean my there's two of my kids don't get on and one of my kids the other day uh kind of had got really upset and stormed out the house and we didn't know where he was and then the one that he doesn't get on with phone he said no he's with me don't worry i've got him and then you suddenly realize that there's connections you don't realize you know and it's really good like that really yeah i i i um i've got funny stories i meditate because i i suffered from anxiety so i meditate every day and i was trying to teach two of my kids my two youngest to meditate because they were like what age was this when they're little and i said right we're going to meditate boys so sit down i'm going to show you how to do it and i sat down and i closed my eyes with them and i thought and a couple of minutes and i thought this is going really well and i was talking them through it but closing my eyes and i thought they're really quiet this is and i opened my eyes and the older one is standing he's pulled his pants and trousers down and he's getting his willy and he's going and the younger one is trying out crying

22:11did you always want a big family like that i think it must be exciting like always stuff going on and like yeah it's it's i mean exciting stroke exhausting yeah it's both it's both i mean life's like that though isn't it i mean life's one thing you realize one thing I've realized was that when I was younger and I wanted to be an actor I thought once I achieved that I'm good life's just gonna be happiness is gonna be one direction yeah yeah life's not like life expands like a flower expands so you I love it but it's also exhausting stressful there's a responsibility and being a parent is like that isn't it yeah it's the joy is the joy is one direction and it's amazing and the love you feel but the anxiety you you know i mean i tell my wife to turn off that live 360.

23:01you know is that the tracker you know she knows where i had 21 hours and i say turn it off yeah i mean god if my mum would have known where i was there's no way 20 because i think it's like you sort of have it when they're like 15 and they go to the shops for the first time but when they're 21 yeah you think you know my sons are all over the place yeah you know he's 20 he's 20 he's good looking boy girls love him you know i mean Honestly, when I was here, I couldn't pull a toilet chain. And he's out all over the place, you know. So now, because when they're younger and you're in charge and you come on set and follow us around, now they're off doing their own thing.

23:38How do you all come together as a family? Is there anything you do? Do you have a special time together? I do a Sunday roast. I do a Sunday roast. So I do like to do a Sunday roast. And a friend of mine taught me how to do potatoes, and I do my potatoes. How do you do potatoes? What you've got to do, you've got to boil them. first thing in the morning, boil them, peel them and boil them, and then leave them to dry for like three or four hours before you put them in the oven. So all the moisture goes out of them. So when you put them in the oven, they come out, they're really crisp and soft inside.

24:05Yeah, there we go. That's what you want. That's what you want. Interview done, thank you. That's what you want to promote, isn't it? Potatoes. And also, if your kids miss her, put your kids in the oven. That's like Matthew McConaughey's, you know, his viral tuna salad he did. That's going to be our version of that. He buys his potatoes. What's his tuna salad? he spoke on a podcast about a tuna salad and it went viral and people made the salad but we're a bit more of a dried potato colour guys have you worked with McConnell Hay twice twice twice yeah nice man I've met him I did Graham Norton with him did you yeah it's a competition mate let Eddie tell his story that's what we do we get guests on and then we try to out anecdote them yeah hey Matt go on give me more give me more give me more you met Robich I have I'm feeling Eddie might beat you No, I won't.

24:53Honestly, I won't. What was Scorsese like? He was all right. He was nice. Have you met him? No. What I mean is, what was he like with you? Because when he was with me, he was... JJ. I can make your style. I don't want it, Mark. How did you do your potatoes? He was all right. I had nine months with him on Gangs of New York in Rome. Yeah, wow. He was fascinating. Wow. Nine months? So would you be there for the whole nine months? Nine months. That's pre-kids though more or less Pre-kids, yeah, my wife came out, it was wonderful I proposed to her in Rome St Peter's Square, I was in my pyjamas We were both half cut, I was in my pyjamas I lived on a road on the entrance to St Peter's Square, so all the saints were looking down at our house to marry me It was amazing Wow, and what was Daniel Day-Lewis like?

25:42Was he a laugh? Oh, he was a laugh, yeah Was he? I'm not joking No, he was a laugh Because he's known to be serious, right? No, people misunderstand what he does people think that when he when he's keeping in character they think he's kind of keeping the psychological and he's not, what he's doing is he's keeping the physicality, the accent the physical stuff but you can ask him about, have you seen this article in The Guardian, Daniel? You do that with this whole working class South East London thing I'm riding a train You're Benedict Cumberbatch's elder brother I just put this on a state in the road now podcasting's coming on and social media's exhausting you're trapped I know you can't get rid of it now I just wanted Dr.

26:27Roo and I fucking write it down do you talk to like really famous people that you say like McConaughey would you sit around and go I'm having this problem with my kid won't sleep or whatever one of the things you talk about a lot is the logistics of being a parent and the industry yeah so what Matthew does is I think his kids come with him travel you know and he does that but he's had to work that out we all do I mean all of us have the same problems because actors it's a different we are away for a couple of nights or a tour but it's non-stop for you literally you're away for six months and you're trying to work out how to do it and how to get the kids out and when to get back that's probably the big that's the thing you talk about most of all the acting is easy it really is no it is it's the logistics of your life so when people have their kids like educated on set and stuff yeah yeah a lot of the crew do as well sometimes you go I remember going doing Miami Vice in with Michael Mann and walking past this hotel and realizing that all the crew and their families were in this one hotel yeah so they would all have like home schooling and then they'd have a periods off where they all go and jump in the pool and it was a great life for them how did you manage that then you know when they were back in school prop you know it's easy when they're under five and they can come over but when they're in school and they've got their own lives and clubs I was doing I was doing a film with Stellan Skarsgård who had load of kids who now big movie stars and when I was very early and I had young kids and Stella had kids and his advice to me was Eddie when you do a film and they want to put you in a hotel which can be quite expensive don't ask for a hotel I'll ask for a house and have extra room so when your kids come and see you they can bring their friends with them or their cousins so they can bring their lives with them yes you know I mean he said that's the best thing to do and I've done that ever since really so if you've seen these kids grow up in like other people's kids yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and the thing is that people don't realize they're all good parents you know it's because it's a weird old life to choose yourself it's weird and you're saying before we start you're booked up till next summer now yeah yeah so you're doing you have promo and stuff is that quite fun when you get to the promo because you're back home in the evenings you go out in a day and do you see I'm always fucking podcast

28:45I was very excited. My kid's very excited I'm coming to see you two. Oh, really? That's nice. Yeah, they love you. I ain't got a clue who you are.

28:54No, it's lovely. But you're always prepping one, shooting one, and promoting one. It's like always. Right. And if you turned down, if you were a year in Australia or something, would you go, I just can't do that no I've been asked to do things and I think I was approached to do the rings of power when they first went to New Zealand I said no but now they came back to the UK and then they asked me to do a season see I'll do it you know yeah and I and then that's why they came back I think I think they came back for me yeah but it's all it's all it's all you know it's all very um it's the biggest challenge is marrying your career and your family life the biggest achievement when when we finished nine years of ray donovan i suddenly realized as a family we were still together that was the biggest achievement yeah above and beyond anything else so how often like and how would that work with like your partner and stuff like how often are you getting back and forward or are you out there full time and they come what happened was we went at the first season i because they were they were making the show and they were and the show was just beginning my wife had to come out like she would come out a week before the school holidays and a week after yeah with the kids and would be at home and the school would give them work to do and they'd do the work and then go back but we realized that the kids were always jet-lagged yeah so it wasn't a great idea second season we moved out there and we lived out there and then my oldest son um developed well he we realized he had Tourette's yeah and he has quite quite extreme Tourette's and we realized that we needed a support network and we didn't have it like so we came back the end of season two season three they've got a new show running and I said to him I couldn't can I commute back and forth so they would allow me to go home at weekends I'll go out to LA yeah fly back weekends and and for school holidays and like Easter and some holiday my wife would bring the kids out so we managed to keep to see every weekend yeah yeah Because from LA to LA?