S12 EP44: Jack Savoretti

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23:21Josh Widdicombe:does it feel different going back out when you've got kids to yeah this i think it's getting harder actually if i'm totally honest like just because parenting is getting so much cooler yeah age like i love it and also when the first time around i you know you've got a sort of six month old kid in your hand and you're like this this is gonna this is it forever you don't realize how quickly time flies you don't realize how quickly that six month old is yeah yeah yeah yeah spending a week yeah friends and not answering your text messages when you're like where are you like suddenly that's gone that moment of like is gone and so now I mean I feel sort of sorry for my third my daughter because I am like properly like holding on to every moment I can with her because I know how quickly this goes so I think the absence I literally She felt like, you know in a film where her soul leaves her body?

24:12Josh Widdicombe:Oh, no. Should we go back to having all your friends there and thinking one decision could ruin it all? I mean, you're laughing a lot for someone who's really bringing some dark thoughts into the room. That's why he's good as singer-songwriter. This is like my therapy. I'm giggling. Am I allowed to call you a singer-songwriter? Is that allowed? Is that not? I don't know. It's world music, isn't it? Don't have a go at him because what he said made you question your own. It's in English. I've made one world music album in Italian the rest is in English no I mean I'm a very jolly person I only write sad songs so I don't usually write when I'm out this is an interesting thing I think the darkest comedians are often the lightest off stage right and the light fluffy ones are the ones that are the real yeah they're trying to cover up a kind of deep well what I'm trying to say is Chris Martin's quite a laugh from what I can tell but he's quite sad in his songs or whatever is there a lot of people that do sad music but they're actually quite a laugh is that in my experience 100 yeah louis capaldi is a good example how is a good example actually i always find some it's the same thing the ones that are making all the jolly sort of stuff like that there's a darkness to them yeah they obviously don't want you to see they're hiding it totally yeah yeah for me it's always been a bit like that i remember when i Would you like to provide an example of that person?

25:33No, because I know them quite well. One of them I know quite well. No, I would never do that. But when I started out, for example, I used to... I mean, some of the guys that I really admired, they were all very quiet and somber on stage, and they wouldn't say much in between songs. And I remember when I started out, I used to sort of imitate that. It was actually my wife who was like, what the fuck is that? Like, that's not you. You're the guy who doesn't shut up and, like, is loud. I can hear you laughing from four hours away. Why aren't you doing that? And actually, once I got comfortable with just being that, I think the songwriting got better, funnily enough, because I didn't have to sort of, I don't know, I was able to put it there and it didn't entirely define me.

26:12Like, that's just a part of myself. It wasn't my everything.

26:15Josh Widdicombe:There is an almost a shame with musicians to being a laugh. Yeah, you've got to be cool. Do you like Seema? Like, she, Seema is now, She had Harry Hill on stage when she did Alexander Pellis. She's really funny. She does. And it's the same with Lewis Capaldi. There's totally this thing now where I think people are going, oh, I can be funny. And it doesn't undermine the music. I also think we know more about artists now. Like, I think back in the day, there wasn't that much known, but they were actually like that. Like, Leonard Cohen was hilarious. Right. Leonard Cohen. Yeah, well, that's a perfect example, right?

26:49And I don't know if you've seen the documentary on him. It's fantastic. like he's very witty very social you never think that you think this is what

26:57Josh Widdicombe:David Bowie's really normal whenever you see David Bowie interviewed you're like oh he's like a really normal bloke that just dresses up and performs totally I love his interviews back in the day they were trying to trip him up all the time because he was doing something so different you must be weird and he was so good he was going no I'm alright no what brilliant I love Bowie big Bowie fan but that's definitely I think something that now that we know more about those artists even from that time yeah You don't have that weight of having to keep up appearances by being cool and quiet. Can I ask you about the Graham Norton show?

27:30Yeah. Because we did that together. Thank God you were there, man. Did you think he had as bad a one as he was? What do you mean? He's too nice for that. He's trying to pretend I had a bad gig. No. That was all right. He's like sitting next to a naughty school kid. You kept making me laugh. I was trying to be cool on that sofa. I was like, okay, be cool. He was on. I paint a picture. Was it Chris Pratt, Cynthia Erivo, Don French, me, then you? Yeah. Right. It's a classic dinner party. You would have met up anyway. Well, actually, it was my dream dinner guest party that I'd asked for the week before, and it just happened.

28:05No, because as a comedian, you're on at the end to try and lighten the mood and be the bit of the joke when they've got their sort of like film stars, mega stars, come on. But it's weird, though, for the musicians, because you're like not involved at all. then you sing you know you do your song and it's very hard to do those songs in a studio audience with TV go like yeah one two three yeah and it's every single person I've seen ever do it they're doing it and they're doing really well but it's not like a normal gig you're playing for the environment and then you sort of have to do it twice they make everyone do it twice you do it once you do it another one for cameras or whatever and then they go right welcome over Jack Savaree so we've been there for like two hours it's like being late to a party where everyone's getting along and then you're all out of breath because you've been performing and then you shuffle over being like hello and it's so hard so which are you thinking about when you're stood backstage

28:50Josh Widdicombe:thinking fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck as we all think yeah are you thinking yeah yeah are you thinking fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck i've got to do the song in the studio or you're thinking fuck fuck fuck i've got to go and talk to them no no the song is easy like the song's fun it's not easy don't get me wrong but you hope it is what it is yeah you can you can't go back now that is what it is it's the like please say something a little bit so that's hanging over the song that's hanging over the song also because some you talk about kapal some guys are amazing at it yeah they'll come and they'll drop that bomb that they know will you know it'll do something the viral or you know that's all they want that's all yeah but they're good at it exactly that's what they kept no otherwise i'd be doing it all the time but i've never had that until this time they kept saying just say something that maybe go viral i was like oh they actually said that yeah twice before i went on i was like if i knew how to do that i wouldn't have to be here 100 so i did claudia recently claudia winkle show and the american person who is always depends on yeah who was the guy from schitt's creek who is oh i saw this about mr blob yeah he was such a laugh yeah he's great everyone's like ah 100 ah just relax i think the best thing to do on those shows is to just have a laugh of course to try not to i'm i think when i was really young and i went on them i would try to be very serious and whatever yeah and nothing comes like you sort of just no one wants you to be serious really yeah doesn't I once sat through an incredibly long chat about Shakespeare and I thought no one's getting anything I did Jennifer Ross once and I never normally drink on them things but it's sort of gone quite well I went do you want a drink oh yeah can I get a rum and Coke zero whatever and then there was loads of breaks I kept on bringing me a new one I was drinking them and then I was so pissed Duran Duran come on and I was just looking at it and I was like, I didn't know, I couldn't, they all look like the same man.

30:42Josh Widdicombe:Of course they do. The same man from 30 years ago. But they were like, they were trying to talk to him and I was just like, I nearly called a bloke Duran Duran. But then that's horrible when you're in that situation because you feel so vulnerable because you're like, you don't want to be drunk. I had that last time on Norton. I stupidly had like a whiskey. Oh, really? And I just, I think I sat down next to him and I just took it, boom, like that. But that's one. I had about six. Yeah, but it's the whole, Yeah, and the adrenaline from there. I was going to ask about, you know, busy household, a lot of kids and different ages of kids.

31:14And you've got the dogs, which it sounds like you both love. Care about more than the kids from what I can tell. I don't care, but hang out with them. At least they're there. They're there. So what are you doing for holidays? Are you leaving the dogs with people? Going on tour. Going on tour? No, the dogs, we have a lovely neighbour who basically moves in and stays with them. and their dogs are almost as happy, if not happier, because they just get 100 % of their attention. Yeah, that's nice. You can imagine. Sometimes a dog is hiding from the chaos. But no, it's all good. And then the kids, when you're picking a holiday, are you trying to, you know, because it's hard to keep a teenager happy and a five-year-old.

31:51Well, so now what we do, like the one thing that I've really tried to bring in is reminding the kids where they're from. So it's about spending time in Italy. Yeah. And we always do like now rather than, we did a few, I remember when sort of my career started doing okay and we had kids we did the super like far long holidays getting on a plane yeah to an island whatever and we were noticing that we were spending a fortune to get somewhere for like four days yeah two days of which was jet lag yeah that was like packing to leave again and then coming home and feeling and it was amazing but we were like this isn't there's no longevity in this i don't feel like we really experienced anywhere either we didn't sort of see anything else but a hotel a result and a beach exactly so now what i'd rather what we try to do every year is we go one month it's a little island called formentera which is just next to ibita you can only get to it by boat and we go for one month and i just watch my children transform like the first week they're you know tourists and then like by week two week three suddenly their whole attitude just changes like they really sort of just become locals they just they're just at ease and i love that and every year i ask them if they want to do something different and that's now they've got friends there now like they know where to go my 14 year old can go to the local village and she can walk back at night by herself and with friends and all that.

33:04Oh, that sounds idyllic. Yeah, it really is. I have to say... But that's Spanish, not Italy. It's Spanish, but filled with Italians. Oh, really? Yeah, for them and there is like Italians have sort of... Take it over. Yeah, they definitely have.

33:16Josh Widdicombe:Who do your kids support in the World Cup? Well, I don't know. Oh, John! I didn't mean that. That's horrible. In the hypothetical scenario, it's never qualified for the World Cup. Sorry, in the Nations League. This is getting cold, guys. My son has never seen Italy in a World Cup. Oh, my God. Which is hard. He's seen us win a Euro. So we can talk about the Euros if you want. Yeah, so what happened in the Euros? The Euros was make or break. He was five. Yeah. All his mates were suddenly showing up to school with the England jersey. Yeah. And he was like, my son, he talks like a gangster. He's got this really husky voice.

33:50I don't know where he gets. And he was like, Papa, everyone's going for England. I think Italy is going to lose. Everyone says England are going to win. And in England, you do talk about England winning a lot before the game. Like, that is the thing. And I was like, don't worry, don't worry. Anyway, we sat down to watch the game, and it was me and my son in Italy jerseys, and my wife and my daughter in England jerseys, with the flags of St. George. They really went to town. Yeah, painted a roundabout, full shebang. Almost. I heard you on that.

34:18Josh Widdicombe:She was the woman with the flower up her arms, his wife.

34:25Sounds like crap. To be honest, I wouldn't put it past that. and then England scored first and my son gave me this look of like what have you done to me why have you done this to me anyway we all know how that went and he was super happy and he's been so do you think

34:42Josh Widdicombe:if England had gone on to win that as they deserved to I think I would have lost him then you would have lost him I do and that was really heartbreaking because like you inherit your national team like I go for Italy because my dad was Italian and I remember Italy 1990 like that team and it was a great England team too with Linnegan and Gas and we had Scilacci and all that and it was just I remember that moment I remember being conflicted as well I was going to school I was living in London and my dad was like this isn't an option like we watched you're Italy and you just bond and that's the thing that's heartbreaking about Italy not being in the World Cup again for a whole generation we haven't had that bonding when there's 48 teams it's very difficult to get in isn't it you've been going for him since he mentioned that thing about his daughter being young and your soul left your body you've said his wife's got a flare for us now you're having I'm not going to die about this.

35:30That was a gamble. It paid off me. And you're a Genoa fan as well. I'm a big Genoa fan. So have you passed that on? I've passed that on. The first game he took, it was last year, two years ago, we were in Serie B and we were playing, I was in Milan actually on a work thing and everyone was coming up to me saying, oh, tomorrow Genoa's going to get promoted, Genoa's going to get promoted. Might have had a few too many drinks. I phoned my father-in-law and I was like, listen, if I get you guys a plane, would you fly, winter's my son, he's got winter, would you fly winter out tomorrow morning to see Genoa play?

35:58Amazing. and they flew out at like five in the morning they arrived we were treated like because I did a song at the stadium so I have a strong connection with the team this was the first football game he'd ever been to and Marassi the Genoa Stadium is amazing it was built for 1990 and when he got there we won Pitcher Bates so he's a Genoa fan as well but we're Gunners Jack can you take me to watch Genoa play I promise you we should do that it's unreal it's very different to here I mean Italian football is going down but Italian fans

36:27Josh Widdicombe:are but i think also our age we italian football was on italia channel four remember when it was good yeah yeah and it was the best football there was so we've got an idealized view that we'll always have of italian football is the best it's still there you still get the vibe it's just the quality of the football i've got an idea why don't we do the first ever parenting hell on tour video and we get it and we film it and we do a little film of us going to watch general play with jack you know it's a good thing because a lot of kids Or we fuck that off and just get shit-faced in. I was trying to back you up.

36:58No, no. That sounds like pain in the arse. I'll just go. We'll just go. Also because stadiums in Italy, I mean, they're not super kid-friendly. No. I mean, they are. They're terrifying. So do you take your son? Have you taken him since? No, I haven't taken him since. Do you go to Arsenal or just watch Arsenal? We've gone to Arsenal. We've gone to Arsenal a few times. Yeah, but he was, like, properly spoiled with Arsenal. Did he have a bit too much of a, you know, VIP experience? Very VIP experience. thanks to my Spanish tour manager we were actually just rehearsing it was a couple of weeks ago to go see Arsenal Everton a great game the Max Dalman moment and we were right there anything you want to say about that?

37:35Josh Widdicombe:shit on that kid's dream? I don't know what the Max Dalman moment is he's the 16 year old youngest goal in the Premier League and he came on and set up a goal and then he scored he changed the game in the 86 minute after 86 minutes of pretty dull this part of the season Arsenal football which hasn't been great this kid came on but I was there we were there in Arteta's wife's box wow was there a flare in there as well sorry fuck we're going to move on back a little bit what's Arteta's wife like I didn't meet her I have met her once what's her box like I can't imagine he's a laugh to be married to sorry I'm sorry Jack can you imagine he's intense those grey trousers clinging onto his arse like a fucking cliff climber's fingertips There's no way Mikel Arteta on this would be a laugh.

38:27Josh Widdicombe:Imagine him doing a barbecue, shouting at him, move, move. Attack the space sausage, attack the space. I have not met him, but me and my wife had a really embarrassing moment where we live out in Oxfordshire. And we were having sushi and Arteta and his wife sat right next to us. And my wife and I were just like, my wife didn't really understand, but I was like sort of smiling and they kept sort of staring and sort of talking. and I walked off and I was like that was Mikel Arteta and his wife she didn't even know who I was talking about and I was like I think he might have like recognised me or something because they were chatting away and as I'm talking to my wife I suddenly like it just suddenly clicked both of us were wearing Arsenal caps really?

39:04yeah but they're like sort of vintage ones so I hadn't really like clocked and I was like oh my god that's why they were looking at us because we were like two Prats just sat next to them both in an Arsenal house both in like different coloured Arsenal I know that's pretty tragic to begin with I mean not something we usually do Well, yeah, I wanted to say that if I was leaving the house with Lou to go for sushi, Soho Farmhouse, we were both wearing matching caps, I'd go, shall I take mine off? You think one of us would have taken it off? I've got a blue one, she's got a burgundy, whatever. Yeah, well, you know, it's matching.

39:33It was pretty tragic. You love each other. Like I said, it was embarrassing. He's into my music he just got. Must be a fan.

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41:53Would you ever move to Italy? Realistically? Like in a dream world, yes. But I think it's a very tough, for what I do, for what we do, realistically now with my kids who have grown up, my kids are...

42:05Josh Widdicombe:Are they bilingual? No. No. I didn't do very well with that. I kind of dropped the ball on that. It's hard. Too late. you've got enough on your plate you're knackered you're like I don't want to speak teach them the whole language also because there is a bit of that I've had four hours sleep please I can't be the teacher the tutor as well no but you also feel rude like when we lived in London it was okay-ish because I had some Italian friends in London and all that but in the countryside you really feel like you're proving a point you're making a point and it's like and the kids look at you like what don't do this to me it's well confusing when you see a family I saw a family on holiday like that and there was an English guy and I think she was Dutch or German and he spoke to them in English and the kids spoke back to him in English and then the wife spoke to them in Dutch or German and they spoke back to her in Dutch or German.

42:53I do think they call it mother tongue for a reason. Like friends of mine with couples, bilingual couples. So it's your wife's fault? No. Yeah, I'm blaming my wife. My English wife. She can't speak Italian. Yeah, it's tough for her to teach it then. I think exactly. That's what I always say. But I'm like, if she, we did, like when we do go to Italy and my wife does start trying to speak Italian you can see the kids suddenly engage with it like much more than if I'm doing it like it's taken sort of as it is what it is if Papa speaks it but friends of mine who are bilingual and you're Papa Papa that's cool yeah Papa I want to be Papa what are you how can I rebrand to Papa

43:29Josh Widdicombe:a dad dad's lovely too no I want to be Papa Papa's lovely it's softer why don't you just go home and say I'm now Papa I'm Papa now I'm the artist for me known as Dad I'm Papa Big Papa's home no not Big Papa Big Papa's weird I'm not going to lie Little Papa Little Papa's even weirder Just Papa Just straight up Papa And what do they call their mum? Mama Mama Papa or Mama Papa Mama Actually my little one right now Keeps trying to say When she's trying to be cute She says daddy, daddy, daddy And I just don't You don't respond You walk out I cold shoulder the crap I'm like I'm Papa I'm Papa I'm Papa And if they have kids And you become a grandparent What's what?

44:07I'll probably still be Papa Just Papa Probably because they'll probably call their, I don't know, it depends who they marry. I don't know what language or who they marry because it's a language thing. Yeah, of course, yeah. So I don't know why I was Papa. Because if your English kid meets an English woman and then has an English kid, it's probably going to be dad. It could be dad, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I do hear Papa. I'll double down on Papa. Double down on Papa. Why don't you call me Papa? Can we start there and then I can bring it into my home life? We'll start at work. All right.

44:33Josh Widdicombe:Have you got the final question, Papa? We're not there yet. Quick question. Have you gone for Italian names? no we've um well connie my eldest i was listening to a lot of connie francis i don't know if you know she's like an old american italian singer and i also i didn't realize i just thought it'd be quite funny connie connie corleone from the godfather i always love the name connie yeah it's one of those things so my my eldest is called connie my son is called winter which you don't have in italy which we don't when we do in some part we do you know what i was always surprised to Italian football how bad the weather was and there's loads of snow around the edge I'd be like we're in the Alps I know we're thick English but it was always raining at the San Siro no Milano's the worst climate London is a better climate than Milano because Milano is in the valley after the Alps so it's just fog like stuff gets stuck there that's why they have such bad smog there's no like breeze or nothing I didn't like Milan when I went I went for 24 hours when?

45:32Josh Widdicombe:it's the best way to experience it 24 hours 2nd of January with Freddie Flintoff, Jamie Redknapp and Jerry Halliwell. That was interesting. I was supposed to be going to that. You were supposed to be going to that. Was this for League of the Row? League of the Row, yeah. Yeah. You took a penalty at the San Siro. I took a penalty at the San Siro. That was fun. Against Bruce Grovela. I was supposed to be doing it, but I broke my ankle and he got the gig. Talking about acting jobs. Oh, was it the five of us? That is very cool. I was quite pleased because I didn't really know the other three, but Rob Muslin went my way in.

46:01Josh Widdicombe:So when Rob broke his ankle, I was like, oh my God. Oh. anyway I didn't really like Milan I used to hate Milano growing up I grew up quite near it like 45 minutes from it but now I go and it's a cool city like if I was in my early 20s Milan would be a cool place to go and live so how are you a Genoa fan? my family's from Genoa yeah and whereabouts is that in relation? Genoa is just so if you're in Milano it's down to the way it's basically just on the border with France in the Mediterranean nice where Christopher Columbus is from the flag of St George and who's their my English friends who's their rival?

46:34Sampdoria so that's the game to go to well no because Sampdoria now is in third division they're third and they're going even further but they won

46:42Josh Widdicombe:do you remember Sampdoria winning the league this is so not for our audience I met all the team Vialli and Mancino Vialli and Mancino oh wow because I was in this little place called Portofino where we used to go when we were kids in the summer and all the team showed up for dinner oh wow and my father was like what are you doing and I was like I'm going to go get autographs he's like it's Sampdoria don't go near that fucking thing oh really I was like, pops. He was like, okay, go, go, go, go. Oh, amazing. I got all their autographs somewhere. But yeah, Lombardo, Pagliuca, Mancini. Oh, wow, what a team.

47:13All those crazy guys.

47:14Josh Widdicombe:Do you cook Italian for your kids? Yeah, I do. Is that a big thing? They have a pretty, like, I wouldn't say they have a pretty Italian lifestyle. But like, what I love now, and this is something I've realized as they grow older, when we go to Italy, they're totally at ease. Which is something I really, because I remember when my daughter was about six and my son was three, going to Italy, and I just saw them like, they were like deers in the headlight. And you wouldn't have liked that? No, not that I didn't like it. I was just like, oh, my kids are really English. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was just an interest.

47:43I hadn't really thought about it. But then when we went to Italy, just how they're approached, like in Italy, especially where I go, like all the local people make quite a fuss about kids. Like when you arrive, an old lady will run out of a shop that's known me since I was five and like pick up my kids and like do a whole thing and kiss them and give them biscuits. How much? They did that in the UK. They're not used to that where they go to Chipping Norton like people are called Also that is the most English place in England Chipping Norton. Yeah, it really is. If you was in London at least you could take them to little Italian restaurants.

48:13Totally, they get a lot but they're very like they're country kids. Multiculturalism is still lacking in Chipping Norton when it comes to like that experience of community. Yeah, well, when Jeremy Clarkson's on the red wine he gets a bit of colour on his cheeks.

48:29He's knee deep in three bottles of rosé and lamb in season. and so you cooking a lot then yeah we cook a lot we have a very like our house is also like the house that's kind of open door policy yeah like so we have friends over all the time can't imagine anything worse and no okay

48:44Josh Widdicombe:the bond has broken no no I think it's lovely for you to do that the thought you'd hate to have an open door policy in your house wouldn't you Rob no not when the kids are older that's the thing I think just a general like oh I don't you know like but when the kids are older and they've got their own little unit and network it's cool I'm a big fan of that being open. But not just generic like... Your neighbours going, do you know what? To be fair, we've got really good neighbours and their daughter had a baby and we were around to visit and we just wandered over, had a couple of beers, wandered back and me and Lou was saying, we want to do that more with our neighbours.

49:14Did you? Well, no, it was last week. Oh, right, right. You're a busy guy. I think that really matters. That happened to us in lockdown with our neighbours. We would sort of meet on Fridays across the street. I think it's a nice thing. It's nice for the kids too. They get a sort of sense that like, I don't know, especially because I'm away a lot and my wife goes away a lot too so there's always sort of one of us kind of holding the floor. It's nice that they know that they've got support, they've got sort of stuff, a community around them. Also, my neighbour is in his late 50s, early 60s and he's got two grown-up daughters, I've got two daughters and he moved into that house the same age I moved into that house so I'm literally watching my life in 20 years.

49:49That's kind of weird. And it's mad because I'm seeing these interactions with these women and their dad and I'm like, that is it, she could have, I was almost taking notes of how to survive it because it's quite funny. before you know it yeah that's what's crazy but it's nice you've got that sort of like yeah how old is your daughter eight almost gone in it it's halfway to gcse's mate so the time it has taken between her being born to now that again she won't want to know you it goes much quicker

50:19Josh Widdicombe:i'd say it's been generous as well yeah we've been getting these voicemails from people trying to make their kids say our names on this show. Yeah. And they're 13-year-olds who don't like their parents. I've got a feeling when the kids get older and they're not around as much, a bit like with your wife, your midlife crisis, I think you're going to breed cats. And I think you love your kittens already. I think you're going to become a bit of a cat man. I'm just going to live in a house with 20 cats. Yeah, you'd love that. What is it about cats? You don't like dogs? Dogs dominate for me too much.

50:50Josh Widdicombe:Dogs dominate? Yeah. Interesting choice of words. It's mad, that. No, no, I'm kidding. If there was a dog in this room, that would be dominating the whole way. If there was a cat in this room, it would be fine. That's true. That's a good point. I thought he meant they'd get all over you, bend you over and start fucking dumping you. Yeah, and so I once got fucked up the arse by a dog. Well, dogs. And that's why I'll never go back to Milan.

51:27Josh Widdicombe:I don't care how European it is, mate. You don't recover from that. If that's what European is, count me out. If that's what European is... Screaming on all fours, vote Brexit. I'm not having this. Leave means leave from my anus. Taking back control. He's taking back control of his boulder. Anyway. Final question. Fucking hell, I'm so hot. Good episode, good episode. Great episode. You're on tour. Album's out. Sorry, Brad. You're on tour in the autumn. I'm on tour in the autumn. I'm going to do the dates. While you do the final question, Rob, I'm going to sort up the dates. Okay, right. What I'll do is I'll ask you the question, you can have a think, and then he'll read out the dates.

52:12Seamless. Final question. I like the hoodies on your website. They're quite cool. There's one, there's a great T-shirt. I'm not selling my merchandise, don't worry. I'm not catching it, but there's a really cool T-shirt for Do It For Love. I'm going sushi next week. matching caps. It's a tote. There's always a fucking tote. There's always a fucking tote to carry the shit you buy. That's the plan. Yeah, I don't know when the tote became a thing. No, but you can't do merch without a tote. You can't do merch without a tote. I guess it is a way of saying buy a bag to carry the stuff you buy. What's the one thing your wife does as a mother where you go, oh my God, I'm so lucky that I've had children with this woman.

52:45She's incredible. What's the one thing she does as a parent that makes you go, it's a little bit annoying. I don't want to bring it up. But if she was listening, she'd go, fair point. Yeah, fair point. I mean, I think the magic of her is the feeling of home wherever we go. And of course, our house is just incredible. And I see it just with friends and family that come over. It's just a sense of home when you arrive. It's very warm. And I can see it in the confidence of our kids when we're at home. They're just so at ease. But she manages to do that anywhere. And this is a good enough. We can travel 12 hours on a plane, get into a hotel room, and within an hour, it feels like our home.

53:22she manages to make it. It's a skill. I'm like, how have you done this? Like, the hotel room is cosy now, sort of thanks to her. Yeah, every hotel I've ever gone in, it's like first night of divorce. It's just nothing. I could be in there for days. What do we do with this? I never put any stamp on it, but Lou can make it. No, me neither. I'm in and I'm out. Like, I barely, I sort of just about open my suitcase, but when my wife shows up, sometimes against my thing, but it becomes our home. Oh, it's beautiful. She's just got that, it's a vibe thing. Yeah. It's a vibe. And the one slight negative?

53:53Hectic, I would say. Hectic. Very hectic. I mean, her diary looks like a Basquiat painting. And she's always very much like, she always wants to sort of do the agenda of the week. She wants to be very organized. Like the intention is brilliant, but the actions don't really. Artistic temperament. Artistic temperament. Yeah. So in her mind, she's really organized. She says, I'm always really organized. I know this, but we've shown up to people's houses for dinner and they're like, what are you doing here?

54:18Josh Widdicombe:I think it's fine to be disorganized, but I know people where you're like it's the people that think they're organised that are dis-organised you're like you're insane because I've seen your life it's chaos don't pretend that it's not just because you've got a spreadsheet and that's what drives me crazy is the delusion of being organised when I mean you're just it is like little aeroplane shooting dates are you organised? no I'm dis-organised but I'm aware of it do you know what and that's right because when I met you this morning in Leon at 9.30am you turned up holding a razor and shaving cream.

54:50Yeah. I thought this isn't a man that's in control of his day. Life is in control of him. Yeah, yeah. And he's clinging on.

54:59Josh Widdicombe:Okay. Tour dates. Tour dates, yeah. So. There's a lot of them. Kingston? No. Jamaica? No. Kick it over Jamaica. Is that the one where you launch the album? Yeah, Kingston's a record store thing. That's a clever thing, that. Yeah, it is a good thing. Because then everyone comes and they buy an album. Everyone does that one. I don't know why that Kingston one. gorillas it's the record store there that does it yeah they blanking now because it's a banquet banquet circuit circuit not banquet records oh maybe well no that's the record launch which is great which is great for and then royal albert hall oh we did that last week man that was insane may the 27th we're doing it may 27th but we did the first one oh you're doing two how was it it was mad dude and honestly the kids thing is what threw me like i was prepared for it to be an intense emotional night.

55:48Like it's taken us 20 years to get there. And it was a real like chance to look at the fans and go, thank, because I've never had that song that's gotten us there. Like this is them, like this is fans have gotten us to that sort of stage. And I looked out and I was going to do my whole thank you to the fans and the crowd. And I just looked up and I saw my three little hedgehogs like in the balcony there. And I was like, oh. You've got three hedgehogs as well. Let him have, he was going to cry then. That was how Stephen Bartlett made it. You ruined him. All the bloody people listening to hedgehogs bless him i love jack's everything you're fucking sniping sorry for some emotional sniper he's about to go look now he's covering his tears with laughter we had him on the road you had real hedgehogs did you wave or say anything to the no it was it was one in particular my my my five-year-old was just sat like that classic like rolled out like sort of you know like that on the balcony like that and i and i realized she has no idea what papa does like my 14 year old and my 10 11 year old they've seen they've been around they know what goes on they've seen the the good, the bad and the ugly.

56:46This little one is like, what?

56:50I really don't think, even though she saw me before the show, she just wasn't expecting me to be the guy walking out. She just had this like, what's going on sort of look. And I could see it from, you can see quite clearly. Yes, everyone's quite close, aren't they? Everyone's quite intimate. And so that really threw me in. The whole game plan just went out of the window. Amazing. But it was lovely. So you're doing that again on 27th of May?

57:11Josh Widdicombe:27th of June doing State Fair Chelmsford. Yeah, that's going to be great. that's with Alanis Morris set we're opening up oh wow it was supposed to be in Neil Young but he cancelled all of his things Bonn Zagreb Biagrad in Serbia Athena Belgrade oh fucking hell Josh you're wrong with Biagrad Belgrade Biagrad Bucharest Budapest Krakow Warsaw Vilinius Berlin Hamburg Amsterdam yeah I am Utrecht Latrini on Paris Zurich Milano yeah you won't come to that were. Plymouth! I told you. Plymouth! Plymouth! How's that stuck in after Zagreb and Milan? Milan to Plymouth. You've got five days to get your head back together.

57:54Josh Widdicombe:I know. To set your levels a bit lower. What are you doing in Plymouth? The pavilions. In the arena. Yeah, I think that's the pavilions. The pavilions, yeah. Guild Hall in Portsmouth. Plymouth to Portsmouth. Two nights in a row.

58:08Josh Widdicombe:Plymouth-Portsmouth Gate said, fucking hell, it changes when you leave Europe, doesn't it? two nights engaged said I told you Manchester Manchester Hull Glasgow Belfast Dublin Sheffield Oxford Cambridge Nottingham Cardiff Arena Nottingham again all ending at the Symphony Hall in Birmingham lovely close to home Jack thank you so much it's been amazing you were brilliant let's go to Genoa I love that yeah let's go to Genoa let's go to Genoa once again

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