S12 EP45: Chat 'N That

17:45No, no, because he went in on like an intern scheme because he was very academic. I would be like someone that got a job in the city, didn't really know what he was doing, but sort of snuck his way through and quite good banter on the drink and the gear. Got a few promotions. Right, okay. Before you know it, a couple of lucky breaks. I got some part of ownership of a big company, earned loads of money, married an awful woman, cheated on her, left her, never seen my kids. I should move the bank forward. Yeah. Most people don't move it for a cough. Normally a laugh. But yeah, I don't know. That's the thing, isn't it?

18:17Sliding doors. I've got something to lift the mood. Go on. I've got you, Michael, a present. Oh, yeah. Each. Not the same present. One each. I should caveat this. It's not an actual present. Essentially, it's things I bought that don't fit me. Okay. And you can have them.

18:30Josh Widdicombe:Oh, yeah. Do you want them? Yeah. Depends what it is. If it's a condom, I'm not going to... I'll show you what Michael's is and then I'll frighten the curtain. Oh, my word. It's a football shirt. It's a football shirt. Columbia? Club America. Club America. Look at that. Can you see it on the camera, Michael? I'm excited about this. Yeah, that's your... Look at his middle face. Toby B. Toby B. Chatting that. Now this, I'm very, very frustrated. I bought this in Hong Kong. Yeah. And it's an XL. Why is that? Oh, Hong Kong sizes. Asian size. Right, here we go. And it doesn't fit me. You go fully...

19:03I've got to take the top off. It's a Japan Football Association Adidas.

19:08Josh Widdicombe:Would this put you off if I podcasted like this? Either. it's I've never honestly whenever I've done a thing where someone maybe like takes their top off a comic effect I've never seen anyone I've never seen anyone get undressed for no reason without anyone noticing normally you get egged on on a show great catch hopefully it fits it should fit you it's a beautiful material it's lovely isn't it it's so nice but it's going to a good home oh it is it is it's nice isn't it Yeah. Do you like yours, Michael? Love it. Yeah, it's a cool... Got that in America. Do you know what? Oh, it fits nice. Beautiful.

19:47You wouldn't want it any smaller, would you? No, that is great. You've got the ticket sticking out of the back.

19:51Josh Widdicombe:Imagine this being XL. Yeah, but I'm not going to take that off yet. Are you going to put it on the vintage? No, I'm not going to... Yeah, XL, Asian size. Lovely top, though, isn't it? Oh, that is beautiful. I love that. I'm delighted with that. There we go. Mood up. Oh, mood up.

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22:10Josh Widdicombe:So, big times. Yeah. On the podcast. Go on.

22:18Josh Widdicombe:So, big news. What? No. I'm just trying to get the mood up. Oh, right. So, was you doing Toby B? No, I was just trying to move on to the next thing, but I realised I haven't got anything to say. Oh, my son. Yes, I have. So, obviously, I can't put this picture on, Rob. My son went over at school. This is brutal. Went over? like hurt himself yeah no wonder your phone breaks yeah oh my god poor thing yeah oh god he looks so much like you doesn't he is that what you mean poor thing no you've got a lovely face oh he's really scratched it right by his eye as well he's absolutely grazed the half of his face he's so grown up he's had a haircut as well i know yeah i miss the long hair i know but fair enough he He doesn't want it.

23:04Josh Widdicombe:He doesn't want it. Yeah, so. Is he all right? So it's weird, isn't it? Because that happens at school and then he's fine by the time he gets home. But you feel awful that you weren't there. Yeah, well, he comes in and goes, oh, he had a bit of a scratch. His whole face is like, oh, have you done? They phoned up. They phoned up. Yeah, that's a phone call. Because that's a phone upper. Yeah. Your son's going to come back with his entire half of his face scratched off. Yeah, yeah, exactly. With it off, but it's quite a big scratch. He's not the man without a face. No, is he? Do you remember that film?

23:29Josh Widdicombe:No. There's a Mel Gibson film. Oh, I think I do. He had half a... That's not Daniel Day-Lewis in the Wheelbarrow, is it? No, that's My Left Foot. Man Without a Face. One of my favourite jokes on The Simpsons. God, I love The Simpsons. The Simpsons was the best thing ever. Can I say what your biggest problem is? What? And this is as a friend. I just go everywhere. No. You are really, really funny, if not funnier when you're completely fucked. so the problem is when you are exhausted and you've got nothing in the tank I know you get funnier that's why this podcast is the best thing I've ever done which is the only time being honest that's why I'm not selling any tickets when I go what's it called Cardi B or whatever the show's called Toby B chat on that chat on that chat on that's quite a good chat on that isn't it I'm going to google not google I'm going to put that in the podcast app I'll put it in Spotify because it's a better app but um Is it chat and that?

24:26Chat and that And that could be like Chat and that It could be northern It could be like

24:30Josh Widdicombe:The closest thing It comes up with Is chat a bit Hey up Welcome to chat and that With me So be me Yeah No No it's not there Sorry what was you saying I was saying that as a compliment By the way You're very funny Even when you're Oh no I was just going to Repeat something from The Simpsons That's one of my favourite lines Ever Go on It's a man without a face Do you remember it Mel Gibson He's got like burns On one side of his face Or whatever Seymour Skinner falls out with his mum and he says she's put cardboard over her half of the TV yeah and he says I watched Man Without a Face I didn't even know he had a problem that's so funny so good isn't it such a good joke so quick and throwaway as well oh so good oh I love The Simpsons anyway was you talking about you said you wanted to talk to me about Rory Stewart oh yeah Rory Stewart officially doesn't know who I am really so you know we've seen him here yes And I've always thought, he doesn't seem to acknowledge us.

25:24No, no, I'd say no. I'd say he's quite an eyes-forward focus guy. Yeah. So you have to be when you used to be a spy. Are we, though, like a bit of a... I'd say Stuart and Campbell pride themselves on being like one of the biggest podcasts in the country. And they are talking about really serious things. Talking about potential political social change. And they will be pushing certain things. And their opinions matter and their opinions can sway lots of people.

25:49Josh Widdicombe:I'd stop you there. I don't think their opinions matter Well no but I think They may think they do They do yes And They're very proud of how Popular it is Yep And how important What they do is And then we're knocking around Like a bad smell Yeah Getting similar numbers Pulling them out Of our fucking arseholes Yeah We don't have to wait for Trump And the king To go on a tour Yeah You can just take your top off On a throw of Japanese Asian XN at ya Exactly yeah And we've got Toby B I think That's what I thought The situation was Yeah But the situation actually is Rory Stewart doesn't know who we are.

26:23Josh Widdicombe:Right. So I was at Oxford Circus. Not Oxford Circus, Oxford Station. I was doing Oxford on tour. So the Oxford, not Oxford Circus here. Yeah, Oxford Station. Yeah. I was like, oh, look who it is. It's Rory Stewart with his family. Right. I gained eye contact. Yeah. And he looked through me in the way that said, I've never seen this person before in my life. Really? That's totally fine. He must know. Your face is next to his face in the podcast charts. I genuinely don't believe. You know, he wasn't like, oh, there's that guy. I don't need to talk to him. He was, there's just someone looking at me.

26:57Josh Widdicombe:Literally, he did not. I swear on my life, he didn't. Are we allowed to? I think we can say this. When we were recording a podcast here in Spotify, he was being interviewed by someone in the communal cafe area. Yeah, by the fridge. By the fridge. A coffee machine. And the hot tap. And the rice crackers. And the rice crackers. The office kitchen, as you'd call it. Anyway, name me no names. He had said to someone, can you be quiet, please? Because I'm doing an interview. Yeah. Which I think... Bear in mind, he's surrounded by podcast studios. Yeah. There is probably eight soundproof rooms available that no one's in.

27:34But he stood on the counter of the kitchen. Yeah. Not stood on the counter. No, no, he's on the counter. He was due. So I went out on a sort of revenge mission and decided to make five cups of coffee in a row I didn't drink next to him being interviewed. really loud really loud

27:54and just did another and another because that's who I am yeah I did acknowledge you no carried on with the interview yeah and I'm like well how loud must the other people have been talking we didn't move either so maybe he's aware but he don't like us because he thinks I'm the coffee guy

28:08Josh Widdicombe:no honestly the way he looked at me yeah there was no acknowledgement it was like I respect it yeah if he doesn't know who I am he totally he didn't even flinch Well I think This is our first diss track Restless politics It's over to you I'm happy for a beef Alistair Alistair you know who we are We know who you are If they can profit from a war Why can't we profit from a podcast war If they can start a war One of them Open the straight of Spotify's kitchen Anyway So Roy Stewart doesn't know who we are Well he might know who you are He certainly doesn't know who I am Yeah but I think I'm just a coffee guy from work Yeah yeah yeah I don't think he knows me as podcast boy Yeah If he goes are you Rob Beckett Are you having a go I'm Toby B Would you like to chat on that?

28:49Josh Widdicombe:Do you know what? It was a shame because I read Roy Stewart's book and I loved it and so I quite like Roy Stewart Also, I do like him He's been on The Last Leg as well Oh my god He must know who you are It was years ago It was before he was Your face hasn't changed in 15 years But your soul has My soul has Your eyes have The rest of you hasn't Other news Go on Have you done that thing again where you started without anything to say? Yeah. So, I'm going to this birthday party tonight. Yeah. I'm going to get a present on the way. What are you going to get? Hard to get a 50-year-old man a present.

29:26Is he a football thing? Yeah, I think I might get him a Japan shirt. Is he an Asian XL? Why don't you go past them classic football shirts and buy him an old Tottenham shirt? Where is the classic football shirt? They used to have one in town, but I think it's over in East London now. Yeah, that's why I won't be going past it. Okay, sorry. Yeah. If only you live there. If only I live there. you got your way in exactly when I went to Ant and Dec's birthday party this is the stress isn't it when I went to Ant and Dec's birthday party I got them Sunderland shirts did you that's good I bought one each one with Ant on it one with Dec but when you bought the shirts you got two tickets to the game you got three tickets to the game I felt a bit of a waste because I was like it's a banter present

30:03Josh Widdicombe:that's a shame it is a shame I don't really know what else to do but I'll get something I don't like those situations where I don't know who's going to be in the room yeah Do you have that? Did you have that Ant and Dex? If I go with Lou, I'm more nervous and worried because I'm being a real person going to something. I would be more comfortable going on my own. Yes. I double down and I just treat it like a sort of work event type thing. Yeah. You know, and that's easier. Yeah. Because if you don't know them that well. Yeah. So there could be anyone at this. There could literally be an Andrew Lloyd Webber there.

30:40Josh Widdicombe:so I find those it's the walking in I don't like the moment you're with someone you find your corner you're good to go you find your corner you're good to go you'll be around you'll have a good time but then also I wouldn't actually drink in that situation to come but you don't drink anymore which is a good thing it doesn't calm you

31:01Josh Widdicombe:I'll be texting you who the headline people are I want all the details and we can report back I'll report back yeah yeah So this is the last time I see you before you're into traitors. Yes, it is. So I've got a bit of work tomorrow and then I go on Sunday. And are you excited? I am excited. I remember when I did the Strictly Christmas. Yeah. The stress of telling your children that you're doing it. Because what you don't want to do, you've got to make the decision without them. Yes. So you couldn't say, do you think it's a good idea for me to do traitors? Because then if it doesn't come off. Yeah.

31:34Josh Widdicombe:You can't say, they'll be gutted. Yeah. I've got something, as you know, something in the air at the moment that my daughter would be excited for me to do. Yes. But I can't say it to her. And what if then I get to go on this show and then she goes, I wish you weren't doing that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but I don't think that. I don't think there's any. They'll either be ambivalent or excitedly doing it. But I don't know how people deal with this in other jobs. were like, oh, we may have to move to Toronto for work. Yeah. And you've got like a five-year-old and a seven-year-old in school happy.

32:13Yeah. And like your partner's like, what? And then it's like, sometimes it's sort of out of your hands. Or it's really good money or promoters. I'm making that decision to go. Yeah. Because, you know, you were a bit like that, but going to Exeter. But like, you were the sole person making that decision.

32:29Josh Widdicombe:There was a lot. I remember the day we took them down to Exeter. There's a lot on that. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And the house. Yeah. And the local area. Luckily, we knew they would prefer it because the things that people want to be in London for are wasted on children. Yes. They're not going, oh, but there's so many good pop-up restaurants. Where am I going to get my falafel in Exeter? Yeah, exactly. And I'm sure there's a good falafel place. Oh, we've got to come to our Libanet. But... I don't want to go on about it. Do you know what? I do think sometimes chains get too much abuse and grief off people.

33:09Rosso Pomodoro. Do you know what? I had that in Italy. I thought it was a little local place. Exactly.

33:13Josh Widdicombe:I was buzzing when I saw one in Covent Garden. Well, it's the classic. We've had Jared Christmas tell the story on here, but it's one of my favourite ever stories about when he did pantomime with Priscilla Presley and she took them all to Café Rouge thinking it was a small French restaurant. But do you know what? I know I'm meant to be, you know. I'm couth and going to exciting parties because I'm like a celeb yeah but when I moved to Exeter I was like roses come to our libanais Franco Manca Pizza Express fucking count me in yeah do you know what Nando's they're talking my language yeah and then you know tonight you can go for a bit of dinner with Rose a bit swanky if you're up in up in town for work do you know what we're not gonna what you're gonna do I'm gonna sit in the hotel and watch who gets a blow dry?

33:58Josh Widdicombe:Actually, I'm going to meet a friend. Are you going to get a blow dry? No, I'm not going to get a blow dry. Are you sure? I'm going to get something that sounds a bit like a blow dry. Am I right? In my bleak. I'll be heading back to that bleak windowless hotel room. I love how that was. You were too tired to make a blow job joke. I'm going to do something that sounds like it. I can't believe, I don't believe you should be able to sell hotel rooms without you have to specify shall ring 101 do you know what ask Gemini because the thing is right I've always thought I know this sounds bad I read Boris Becker's book about being in prison and I read another book about being in prison yeah and I thought do you know what I think I'd be alright 23 hours a day on my own in a room I think I'd be fine fuck that after this morning when my phone wasn't working I didn't have a window and I didn't have tea making facilities I thought I wish I just I need to get out of here as fast as possible.

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35:26Josh Widdicombe:I just think it has to be because you know when you I don't think windows is a thing you normally specify. It's like saying has it got a toilet? Has it got floors? Yeah, exactly. Are there walls? Has it got a bed? Like a window is bare minimum. It's fucking mental.

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37:02I should do some correspondence, Josh. Yeah. Here we go. What do you want? Flying solo as a child? Yeah, we haven't done that much. Let's do a couple of them. Flying solo as a child, Josh. Hello, guys. I loved hearing about the kids who have flown on their own and have just heard the story of the 12-year-old and 8-year-old sisters travelling by train from Glasgow to London. When I was 8 and my brother was 12, we flew to Iran via Moscow on our own to visit Dad who was working there. Oh, my God. 8 and 12. This was in 1976. Oh, my God.

37:34Josh Widdicombe:Two years before the revolution. That's what they said. It was also the time of a strike at Heathrow. And I remember my mum going to the chapel to pray for our safety whilst we were battling the crowds. Jesus fucking Christ. That was before we even left England. We flew on Aeroflot and they judged my brother to be an adult. We didn't even get an escort. Not even through Moscow Airport where the alphabet isn't the same. Jesus fucking Christ. We didn't even get seats together on the first leg. Oh my God. But I remember I made a friend and luckily her mum saw us through Moscow. Oh, my God. In the Soviet Union.

38:14Josh Widdicombe:On the way to Iran. On the way to Iran. It was nicer before the revolution, though, to be fair. Yeah, I know, but fuck me, mate. Do you know what I mean? It's not worth going through Moscow for it, is it? Where are they fucking flying from to get there? He's gone up to go down. Good point. We got to Tehran. We didn't know our dad's exact address, so they wouldn't let us through. They held my brother behind as, once again, they judged him to be an adult. I was taken through with security guards to try and find our dad. I fucking hate that bit on the plane. You know when you're landing and they give you those forms?

38:46Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. And they're like, address of your hotel. And you're like, how the fuck am I meant to know that off the top of my head? You've made me put my phone onto airplane mode. No photos allowed, no phones. Now tell me where it is. Where exactly are you going? I don't know because I'm flying to a city I don't know because I'm working here. Yeah, and that's what you say at the border, is it? They held him back because they thought it was an adult. I was taken through with security guards to find our dad. I remember lots of ladies in full burqas pointing and laughing at me as a small white girl was quite an unusual sight.

39:17Fair enough. I was petrified. And that was the start of a very interesting holiday. Our first ever time abroad. Oh, my God. And our first flight. Talk about baptism of fire. Another thing that stood out on the flight. Aeroflot offered us children wine and caviar. Amazing. In economy, in case you think I'm a posh knob moaning about travelling alone in business. And I thought all flights would be like that. I'm really looking forward to seeing you both on tour in Brighton next year. That's Cathy from Haywood. The 70s was wild, wasn't it? Did that last week. How was it? Did you see Cathy there? I didn't see Cathy, but it was a nice gig, actually.

39:48Do you want another one? Hi, Rob and Josh. I thought you might enjoy this little throwback to the 90s when kids like me got packed off onto aeroplanes completely on our own. I went to boarding school in Kent from the age of eight while my parents lived in Canada. Every holiday I was put on a plane as what they called an unoccupied minor. The process was surreal. One of the airport staff would collect me and my parents at the ticket desk and then march us all the way to the gate. We'd say goodbyes there and then I'd be walking straight through security like I was a cabin crew. No shops, no duty free, no snacks, no messing about.

40:19Straight to the gate, plonked in a chair and told to wait until the cabin crew collected me. They'd take me, strap me in a seat and that was that. I remember before going through the gate, I'd always get the squits. Oh, I've not heard that phrase in a while. Just constantly running back and forth from the toilet. I just don't think my parents ever realised how utterly disturbed I was by it. This is fucking awful. And you're moaning about going to Aberdeen? She's shitting herself on the way to Toronto, eh? Yo, sitting and watching the Toby B on Shat and That. Shat and That. Shat and That.

40:58Shat and That. Oh, bless this poor, poor person, Hannah. Here she goes. On my very first trip, I was sat next to a boy, maybe 10 or 11, who'd done it before. He leaned over and told me I wasn't allowed to get on my seat for the entire flight. Oh, you little prick. I believed him. So I just sat there bursting for the loo, too scared to me. I'm going to cry. Oh, God. And this was back in the days before personal seat back screens. Instead, they had one big telly at the front showing whatever they'd chosen. So I ended up watching Tin Cup. It's not all bad. Kevin Cost a golf film. Not exactly soothing viewing for a terrified eight-year-old.

41:36Meanwhile, I was absolutely petrified of turbulence, gripping the armrest the whole way, convinced the plane was about to drop out of the sky. Looking back now, it's wild. I was basically just passed around like a hand luggage with a passport. Oh, no. At the time, it felt weirdly normal, but honestly... This is the fucking... I can't believe I'm laughing. But honestly, I'd say it really did fuck me up for life. Oh, my God. oh my god fucking hell love the pod thanks for making us feel slightly less mad Hannah 38 she's younger than that so that's not like back in the 60s it's just like no but I did it how as a parent imagine but it was fine when I did it it wasn't like that it was you did one trip to your nan's she's doing boarding school back and forth back and forth it's awful I told you about

42:27Josh Widdicombe:my gran phoning British Airways I'm sure I added this bit to the story. So she was like overly concerned about it all. Like kept phoning a travel agent or whatever, British Airways. She said to them, and just to check, you know that he's a vegetarian. And the guy on the other end went, Madam, by now the whole of British Airways knows he's a vegetarian. Yeah, you have to tell that. Michael. Got nothing left. That's Chad and that. See you next week. Give us another bit of correspondence. Do you want me to do it as Toby B? Yeah, go on. Give me the topic that feels the most Toby B. Playground Shaggers?

43:08Yeah, go on. I've got a short one here. Hey, Toby! Mikey B? Mikey B? What? Plain sound? Plain sound. I went to school slash college with a... Oh, I'm doing it as Toby B. Got a great one here, Josh. We've got a little feature here. We do Playground Shaggers about people who've had sex with other people's... Yeah. I went to school, college with a boy. Let's call him Dean. Or am I doing it? Am I Northern, Toby B? I don't know what I am.

43:33Josh Widdicombe:No, I think this is it. It's, um... Radio. Radio, like, low-level... Wedding DJ. No, it's like, um... You know those commercial stations where they've all got similar names? QVC type thing. No, like, um... Okay, well, just tell them what it is. I don't want to name one. Go on. You're doing it right, but what I mean is the kind of station where, you know when you go into the global building, and there's other stations you're not sure of. And it may be not the person that hosts the main show. Yeah, so it's like one till four. Got you. Hey, lads. Yeah. Went to school slash college with a boy. Let's call him Dean.

44:10During high school, his dad had an affair with Dean's mum's mum. Oh, fucking Nora. I can't understand it because I'm doing the voice. What's happened? His mother-in-law. Oh, he's got a boy called Dean. His dad had an affair. Come out of Toby B now. This is like me.

44:26Josh Widdicombe:Like you sleeping with Lou's mum. Yep, his nan became his step-mum. Oh, my God. Well, they got together. Yep. At parents' evening, all three of them would turn up like an extremely dysfunctional family. That's mental. That's not on. You know what that is? Chatting that. Chatting that. Cheating that. Cheating that. Yeah, there we go. It's not as good as your chatting that. But that's mental. But that's the point of podcasting. How's that allowed? Do you know what would change the whole argument for us? What? we was like this is crazy mad and then we got a center photo of dean's nan and she was we'll go fair enough fair enough understood isn't and cindy crawford you know but i do with pat names i forgot claudia shiffer claudia shiffer shiffer shiver i don't think it's fine with either isn't it cindy crawford she's still jasmine bleith pam anderson obviously great days great days um Small business.

45:21Shall we do a small business shout-out? Let's do a small business. I've got one here from Rob Rouse, actually. Oh, yeah? You know Rob Rouse. Yeah. He did quite a lot of the live shows. A little yawn there from Josh. Oh, he sneaks out during small business. It's the end. It's the end. Well, it's not the end because we're still recording the show. Here we go. Hi, Rob. My other half, Helen, has just launched something called Mind Wanderers. And I thought it might fit your parenting pod for the small business shout-out. It's basically a creative imagination box for seven to 11-year-olds. Little suitcases filled with story prompts, activities and bits to get them making stuff up for fun, not schooly at all.

45:56There's also Snail Mail Writing Club for slightly older kids who like reading and writing where they get letters and they can actually write back to Helen. It came from her being a children's author and noticing through her school visits that kids just aren't that into reading and writing for fun anymore. So it's all about making it feel a bit magical again rather than like homework. Would you be up for giving a quick shout out on the pod? Totally get it if not. But worth an ask, her website is HelenRutter.com. That's H-E-L-E-N-R-U-T-T-E-R.com. There we go. So that's Helen Rutter, the author, is doing these imagination boxes.

46:28Go on her website and check them out. Lovely.

46:30Josh Widdicombe:Also, check Rob Rouse out. Very funny man. Very funny man. Hi, Rob Josh Michael. After a tough start to 2026 with us sadly experiencing miscarriage and both needing some time away from work to process it, Shannon has shown incredible strength. She used this time to focus her energy on something positive and has launched a new business venture, Shannon's Home Cleaning Services. If you're based in the greater Manchester area and are looking for a relatable, high-quality cleaner, reliable, not relatable. I thought that was weird. You said relatable? It's because we use that word so much. But she said reliable.

47:03Josh Widdicombe:She said reliable. A relatable cleaner is quite weird. What do you want from a cleaner? I want to be able to relate to them. Obviously, you do, but I wouldn't say that's what you'd sell them as. Reliable. Well, after every time they clean something, they go, do you remember Pogs?

47:19Sunny Delight was good for a bit, wasn't it?

47:20Josh Widdicombe:Anyway, see you in a bit. Just doing the stairs. More relatable cleaning stuff coming your way. J-Cloths are thin, aren't they? That kind of stuff. Why can't I use the bathroom spray in the kitchen? How does it know which room I'm in? This is good stuff. This is good stuff. We're quite formal in our house. We call it the Jason Cloth.

47:40Right.

47:40Josh Widdicombe:If you're based in the greater Manchester area and looking for a relatable and reliable high-quality cleaner, she'd love to hear from you. You can find her on Instagram at Shannon's Home Cleaning, where you'll also see the attached price list. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this. Best regards, Luke. Thanks, Luke. Good luck, Shannon. Good luck, Helen. Josh, see you soon. Hopefully not too soon. Hopefully not too soon. Bye. Bye.

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