A Pretty Pathetic D-Day

30:11OK, thank you all.

30:18All right. Here, Rob, go ahead. All right. Well, first and foremost, when he says, why would I want to blow up the entire dollar system? He's kind of showcasing. I don't think he meant to say that. I think that was a slip and he's letting you know this is incredibly risky. And when he's also telling you, hey, we want to give people an opportunity to remedy this. What it also sounds like is, hey, we're bluffing. And I think the proof of the fact that they're kind of bluffing here is unlike every time Donald Trump announced, hey, it's going to be bridge and power plant day. And he gave a specific deadline for it.

30:51I think Bessett is smart enough here to go, well, this is happening behind the scenes and we've given people timetables. So that way there's no ever public statement of the policy failing So my guess is they understand that this is not a winning strategy And they do not want to actually have to pull the plug on telling all of these You know, China, are you really throwing China out of the dollar system? I don't think you're going to be pulling the plug on all of China And their access to dollars over this current war And he's letting you know that that could be catastrophic And they don't want to do this And so they're letting you know it's a little bit of a bluff and a threat, and we'll see who complies with us, and we'll go from there.

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33:23Like, wait, so you're saying what you're threatening to do if enacted today would destroy the global financial system. Wow. I mean, that's quite an admission, man. and and and look dude the reporter's right to ask because it's like dude you want to call it you know which it always does feel like um donald trump just sends nerds out with names he made up and makes them say them like it does seem like donald trump's like say whatever you got to say but call it d-day you know like he's got to go with like this badass title but for such a badass title. Like as, as the reporter said, um, D-Day wasn't a threat.

34:04D-Day D-Day wasn't like a vague threat of maybe we're going to do something. Right. And, um, they don't even, you're calling this D-Day. You don't even have the courage to say a name. They didn't mention one country. Like, who are you saying is who's in violation of this, who you're about to punish for this. And, you know, Rob, as you point out, man, there's a lot of cope amongst the people desperately trying to find some justification for this war and desperately trying to find some narrative other than the obvious narrative that this is a war created by the Israel lobby on behalf of the Israeli government.

34:43so that it becomes, oh, this is all about boxing in China or reigning in China. First of all, Donald Trump just went, what was it, last month to go visit Xi in China, and he wasn't going there to box him in. He was going there to ask for help. You could listen to the way he was even talking about him the whole time. Rob, he's sitting there just kissing his ass. This is just total nonsense, total like just just like a historical desperately grasping at some type of narrative where this is still America first or something that makes sense. But, you know, they yeah, dude, the idea that we're in any type of position, Rob, to say that.

35:24That we're not going to do business with China anymore if China does any business with Iran. I mean, it's a much emptier bluff than this entire war to begin with was, which was all an empty bluff. And there's been nothing but empty bluffs along the way. But this isn't like, I don't know, like, let's just say, let's just say like Natalie, our producer here, came to us and said, I'm furious at a Starbucks for something. Like, I had a terrible experience at Starbucks. So I'm never going to get Starbucks coffee again. like okay that's a threat that you have um the power to kind of maybe and enact okay you can get your coffee somewhere else not starbucks if natalie came in and she goes i'm furious at big oil so i'm never using fossil fuels again you'd go i'm not sure you can get through life without them i don't know that that is a real threat that you can actually use like the idea that You want to talk about destroying the economy overnight?

36:25Okay, China will no longer buy your stuff. Real quickly, everyone at home, I want you to go look at all your stuff and see how much of it says made in China on it. This is a totally empty threat. So we're going to kick China off the dollar system, Rob? Okay. That's like, what are we going to do to them? Yeah, well, my only thing is like, you know, Syria kind of fell out of nowhere and I'm not in Iran. So I just don't know at what point there's a breaking point for the regime. And it could be, you know, maybe this is a pathway for ramping up the economic pressure in a way that does become unsustainable with all the inflation that they have.

37:06But just from everything I'm seeing, you know, if you're a regime and you just got to remain in power, you don't really care about the quality of life of your citizens. And, you know, that Trump even just called out that apparently they're killing off more of their citizens. But, you know, he's made a lot of claims along those lines. So that would remain unclear. But it seems like Iran is content to sit in this mess and punish Donald Trump. And they don't seem to be wanting to come back to the table to negotiate. And I, it just seems, it seems like none of this is going to work and that this is a bluff, but you know, like I said, I'm not actually in Iran.

37:44I don't have perfect data on at what point their regime fails. No, look, I mean, And then that's a very fair point to make. I mean, look, it is certainly my understanding, and I think this is pretty undeniably true, that the Syrian regime was always much, much weaker than the Iranian regime was. And that there had always been a real risk of that regime being toppled basically throughout the Civil War. And that they were pretty close, ISIS was pretty close at one point to taking Damascus. now you're right it's a fair point to say hey it looked like he had weathered the storm and stay you know clung onto power and was going to remain and then until very quickly he wasn't and and it certainly should be said that it is not impossible that the Iranian regime falls I mean look a lot of devastation is being brought to that country and regimes fall it's happened many times in history.

38:38Almost all of them do eventually. But I also would say I just see no reason to to expect any of this to produce that that outcome. And you don't have a civil war. The worst outcome, you know? Yeah. And you don't have a civil war in Iran like you do in Syria. So it's not even like people have taken up arms against the regime. Well, that's right. Yeah. I mean, Syria, that's right. At the point that we're talking about at the point I'm talking about where ISIS almost took Damascus or at least was close was within, you know, within neighboring cities that they that they had control of. And yeah, this is a period where civil war has been going on for years and at least a couple hundred thousand people have already died.

39:16And yeah, it's right. A lot more instability where, or I'm sorry, I guess, you know, I don't know what is the number up to here, Natalie, can we just pull up the Trump truth social from this morning that Rob was referring to? Cause yeah, I think this was one of the ones where, or if not the one that you're referring to, it was one of the times that he said it, right. Oh, can we make that a little bigger? what do we got here the the failing islamic republic of iran is not paying large segments of their military while at the same time killing protesters even when they are not protesting i'm not sure that should be the rob this might be a category error here i'm not sure that counts as killing protesters well it gets tricky when you're making sure you it does it does get tricky when you're just entirely inventing things but like rob is a protester like a pirate is that something that you just are for life now, wherever you go?

40:06I thought you're only a protester while you're still at the protests. You see, like if I went to a protest, like if I went to an Iraq war protest in 2003, and then someone just came and murdered me in my house, I don't think you'd say like, oh, you killed a protester. Right. So there's clearly got to be a statute of limitations on this. Anyway, whatever. I just think that's a category error. But I guess he's saying the people who were out protesting were then killed in their homes. I'd love, I'd love to see the evidence on that. I'm sure the president wouldn't make a claim like this without evidence.

40:37So we are, we're telling that we have evidence that people who are out protesting were followed back to their homes and killed in their homes by the Iranians. Got an article you want to share? Sorry, I had a thought on that, but then I realized it was really stupid. all right here i'm sorry let me just read the rest of this so they're killing protesters um yes they're uh um uh they're not playing large segments of their military while at the same time killing protesters even when they are not protesting at levels not seen before so that he had claimed 50 000 so is this more than 50 000 uh it is a humanitarian crisis of have epic proportion and must, it must be stopped now.

41:22President Donald J. Trump. Is that not just something, Rob? Is that not just something we've just, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You see, this is, and always has been a liberal humanitarian intervention, Rob. Oh, what did you get caught on all that total surrender and Allah Akbar? I'm going to wipe out your entire civilization and slaughter all your women and children. Oh, no, this was this was humanitarian. It was a humanitarian mission. Always. That's what it's been about. Just unbelievable. I've just never look, man. I mean, only Trump. Right. I guess Trump just wins bigger than everybody else and loses bigger than everybody else.

42:04But has anyone ever lost a war this big, Rob? Just every turn of it. When when this thing finally ends, dude, and the carousel stops and everyone's just puking from the dizziness and starts catching up. We're going to look back at this and be like, dude, he got, he just lost this war 700 ,000 times. This humanitarian crisis has gotten so out of hand. I'm going to punish you by killing more of your civilians. I have no choice but to re-engage and blow up your power plants and remove your electricity because too many of you guys are dying. Meanwhile, like the guy, he's, according to them, right?

42:44it he started by saying day one of the war or i should say the opening act of the war he tells the people like stay at home tonight while we hit them real hard and then the government is yours and we have your back don't you worry we have your back according to him now now it's created this huge humanitarian crisis and he doesn't have their back and they're being slaughtered at records never seen before. And according to them, their plan now is to, through secondary sanctions, cripple the entire economy to the point that the regime collapses. That's your humanitarian

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45:36It just seems to me like that would, but if that, if that is the case, man, it's going to be really obvious by the time it's over that fuck this whole thing, man, he just lied so much and got it so wrong. And that's the best case scenario. Yeah, I mean, my read on this as well. Listen, you just don't know with Trump. He's such a wild card. But my read on this is even with the terrorists, they went with crazy terrorists and they walked them back down. We've mostly seen them put up a crazy threat and walk it back down. So I put it this way. This would be defying the behavior patterns of Trump in this administration if they're sticking to this in a week or in a month's time, two months time.

46:17I it's so it's just you know it's unlikely that they're sticking to this but who knows doesn't it doesn't it feel just even as you just said that it's like it's like doesn't that just define the Trump it defines the Trump second term at least to me just that it's just just like saying some wild over the top thing then it being totally not thought through and no plan it's just a disaster. Then you back down at it. Then you're totally humiliated. Then it's like so much worse than even doing the thing or not. I mean, literally whether it's like the war or, um, deportations, huh? The pool, the drove on the pool and he destroyed the lining.

47:01And then he accused some, uh, some Olympic guy of having sliced it. And then his own department had to drop the case because they're like, we can't possibly win this. And then Donald Trump said, well, I don't know why she folded it. This is ridiculous. We're going to figure out a new way to bring this. Speaker 3 0. It was dude. It was arresting James Comey. And then they just didn't like cross their T's and dot their eyes and guy, it was all off bullshit. Then it just all fell apart. Do you remember the tariffs? They rolled it out and then the bond markets went crazy and then they immediately walked it back.

47:31And then the Supreme court struck it down and you just like, like, Oh my God, you were so, even if you believe in tariffs, which are stupid but even if you do it's like this was just the worst way to go about it the deportations where it's like hey we're gonna do this then it's unpopular then he backs down then you're firing people and moving them around just everything it's this big bravado tough talk and then at the end of it you're like man dude just like you had nothing you hadn't even thought this through a little bit it's just has characterized the entire administration there's a terrorist walking around with hand tattoos right now in maryland yeah right i mean dude it's uh what a fucking what a shit show all right yeah let's do the uh let's let's play a little bit of this this glenn beck clip i did want to play this because i just for number one i guess as i mentioned earlier this is just what's been on my mind with with the dershowitz thing coming up is um like what are these guys even saying right now like what are people who are even trying to defend the war even saying.

48:35And then, um, you know, I particularly like giving the business to Glenn Beck a little bit, which I don't think I've done. I don't think we've, uh, trashed him, uh, since the 12 day war. Um, but you know, I have a bit of a beef with Glenn Beck. I just really don't like that guy. Um, and for a couple of reasons, I mean, I guess it's a little bit personal for me, but well, there's two things. Number one, he's one of the guys, one of the few, Well, you know how there were a bunch of like conservative types who like idiotically supported George W. Bush's war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and the Patriot Act and the global war on terror more broadly and just all these awful policies that turned out to be complete disasters.

49:18And then after that, you know, they, you know, during the Obama years and and then particularly not really in the Obama years as much, but once Trump ran against all that stuff in 2016 and then they kind of had permission. It was like that was kind of popular and cool now amongst right wingers to like be like all that stuff sucked. Then they all came over and they went, hey, man, we were crazy back there. We were wrong. And we admit Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan and all those guys were right. And actually George Bush and Dick Cheney and all those guys were wrong. We totally regret that. Glenn Beck is one of the ones and shame on me for this, that I believed, you know, Tulsi Gabbard and Glenn Beck, they actually got me.

49:58And that, that kind of pisses me off that whatever shame on me. But you know, when Tulsi Gabbard used to talk about how she was in a medical unit in Iraq and she saw her brothers and sisters bleeding out and dying over a bullshit war. And that's why she would stand up against any more bullshit wars. Like call me crazy, but she had me going with that bullshit for a little bit. Um, and I'll never forgive her for that. And I'll never forgive Glenn Beck for having me going with it too. And then the other thing, Rob, as I've told you, and this one's getting petty, but fuck him is that when I went on his show.

50:29So when he, when he told me that, and I totally believed him to his face, uh, cause he's does it like Glenn Beck's a good actor, like his tear, his eyes well up and stuff. When he says that you feel like he actually really thinks about how he helped get all those innocent people killed, but that's not true. It turns out. But so then when I went on a show during that period where he had me convinced on that, I went to show a couple of times. And dude, this is when there were rumors that I was going to run for president on the Libertarian Party. And dude, he loved me. I went off on my whole goddamn thing about how the whole program should be repealing the entire progressive revolution of the early 20th century and have every inch of the new deal and the post-war consensus is wrong and this whole thing.

51:08And he goes, he literally ended the interview by going, I love you. This is literally his words. He goes, I love you. He goes, and I really hope you do run for president. So the last thing, the last thing this guy says to me, then of course, October 7th happens and he's crying on the wall or just totally humiliating himself about how he considers himself to be an Israeli. And then after the Douglas Murray debate, he had one of the first interviews with Douglas Murray and he goes, what, what is this comedian guy even doing there when he's not an expert? he shouldn't be debating about these things i go oh i thought i'm i thought you wanted me to run for president motherfucker i didn't realize i wasn't i didn't have the credentials to go on the joe rogan podcast the guy who said he loved me and i should run for president oh until you fucking criticize israel once and then so anyway anyway i got a beef with this guy but that's just petty and personal but more broadly rob fuck you dude you fucking supported all these disastrous wars then pretended like you had totally converted and really realized the error of your ways.

52:07And as soon as a Republican president launched another war, you went right back to it and supported it again. And look at you now defending this fucking disaster. So anyway, that's my rant against Glenn Beck. Now let's, yeah, let's play the clip. First thing has to be said, we won the war. Okay. By every standard, air defenses are completely shredded. the supreme leader was killed in the opening hours um and hezbollah is a shadow of what it was two years ago the proxy network has been thinned by every single measure a general would put on a chart operation epic fury did what it was sent to do the economic damage is beyond understanding and this is economic d-day the supposed for a second so then he says listen he just posted this today at the end he says epic fury was a success but i well look okay so he's i'm sorry i'm sorry no no i'm sorry that's my missus i'm sorry midnight hammer was the other one he's talking about this one my mistake um sorry that one's on me one point for glenn i'm starting in a deficit but i mean i don't know rob i'll get i'll clean up that deficit real quick look dude you can i mean this is a term that was i don't like using terms that i i didn't hear when I was a kid, but this is literally gaslighting is a great term for this.

53:29This is, you know, you're full of shit. You know that you're lying, but you're like, I'm just going to pretend. And I'm going to say it with a lot of certainty that Eddie, no, Glenn, I'm sorry. You can't get away from the fact that the war aims were specifically laid out, not by a general, but by this other figure called the commander in chief. He laid out what the war aims were. He laid it out on day one opening act of the war. This is a regime change war. The Iranian people will now be in control of the government. He demanded total surrender from the Iranian people. He demanded that we recover, that they hand over to us the nuclear dust and that they stop enriching uranium.

54:16We're up to four right now. He also demanded that they stop arming Hezbollah. Now we're up to five. Number six, what came in later was the demand that they open the Strait of Hormuz, which they had always had opened the entire time. Did I miss any big ones there, Rob? Oh, intercontinental, intercontinental, or maybe not intercontinental, but the ballistic missile program there. Seven, seven major war aims that were laid out you've achieved zero zero of those zero now you can add other things in now that you're gonna say their air defense has been hurt and their navies at the bottom of the sea and there but there were seven clearly articulated goals and you're oh for seven come out here and say we won because the ayatollah is dead and their military has been weakened this is, um, I don't know, Dave, I've been following this story for a long time and we always wanted full control over a closed straights.

55:14That's what I was hearing about for years. We wanted to make sure that nothing got through that straight and we'd have full control over it and make sure that nothing got through. Yes. Yes, that's right. And, and right. And also that all that mattered was that the most moderate Ayatollah ever get taken out, But we were always told that as long as the IRGC can run the country with the moas, it just can't be this one Ayatollah or something, right? That constitutes regime change. That's just pathetic. Anyway, let's back to Glenn. The president is doing the right thing. However, for all of the things that are true, there is one thing that may or may not be true that is putting us in a position where we may lose everything the win has just purchased.

56:05And it's not on a battlefield. It's on an inventory sheet. I want you to listen to this. before february we had 2330 patriot interceptors the best public estimate now puts us somewhere between 759 and 827 missile interceptors okay that's a drop of at least 65 percent fad that long-range missile went from 452 to fewer than 278 reuters is reporting now the long range missiles are nearly spent and about half of our tomahawks are gone. Last week, the strategic petroleum reserve fell below 300 million barrels for the first time since January of 1983. The president's answer on these things has been that we have massive amounts of munitions and the leakers are going to go to prison for a very, very long time.

57:07Okay, that's a flawed answer okay um because if it's a leak then is it true you're going to put somebody in prison um if it's if it's propaganda that's a different story and i don't know what is true okay um but taran didn't need the leak i'm sorry you have to understand why i found this so entertaining this uh glenn beck starts off by telling himself a story about how they've won the war then starts grappling with the facts on the ground. And now you see him going, even finding himself in positions because that's a flawed answer. It's a flawed answer. Yes. Another word that you might be looking for here, Glenn Beck, is it's a lie.

57:55It is a lie. A leaker, by definition, can't be lying. Like a leak. If you're accusing, again, Let me try to just clean that up a little bit in case anyone wants to jump on this and pick this apart. Yes, a leaker could theoretically lie about something, but it's not as if this was a leak of 5 ,000 pages of classified material. And then you went, oh, and the leaker is lying about this one specific claim. This is the claim. This is the whole claim. If they're lying, then they didn't leak it. If they leaked it, then the claim must be true. so donald trump is lying when he says this what the fuck does glenn bet i mean like what do you and then you might wonder well was uh is trump lying about the other stuff that perhaps when i first just said we actually won the war maybe we didn't and that may be variables such as they have no navy are not actually a win yeah you would think it's a there wouldn't be that much of a leap in your logic to go hey this other thing he said was a lie were those other thing lies right and then it's like it goes like well look we've destroyed like none of the war aims have been achieved but we've destroyed their navy or their missiles now let me read off some stats we've destroyed all of our THAAD interceptor missiles it's actually okay like I don't know like what do you mean like dude it's been widely reported this part our bases have been decimated dude.

59:24Like we we've we've also had a lot destroyed. So you want to sit there and even if you go, OK, we destroyed more of their stuff than they destroyed of us of ours, something that hasn't exactly been clearly demonstrated. But I do tend to think that's got to be true. But OK, that means we are worse off and they're a little bit more worse off. Where's the win in that? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. If you're anything like me, you love grilling in the summer, but the second you move beyond burgers and steaks, things can get frustrating.

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1:01:32terran has counted every interceptor we fire they watch go up and they have a better estimate of our magazine than most members of congress do at this point so the denial doesn't fool the man across the table it only fools the people who write the checks and that is if it is true we don't know if it's true, but our enemies think it is, which brings us to a scenario. And I think it's likely, it's not a dramatic one, but how this could end. Iran, if the economic sanctions don't work, Iran doesn't counterattack. Iran doesn't surrender. Iran just waits. It slow walks the talks. It keeps the straight half strangled lets our gas prices do the work watches the american public where the support for this war sits at 33 and is falling among the president's own supporters okay um i talked to some um some uh political officials over the last couple of weeks and i don't know maybe it's just me i just find this so funny it's okay rob listen let me just break this down.

1:02:44I'm sorry. I don't know. It's just like, this is kind of what we do too. Like, this is what we do. We analyze these things. All right, here we're going. Here's my analysis. All right. First of all, we won. So let's just table that. Get that out of the way. We won. Trump did the right thing. Everyone who supported this was right. Won over, right, smashed, total victory. Okay. Now here's where things stand. We're in a disaster. We're in a goddamn damn disaster. Oh my God. It's the most unpopular war in American history. And it's in freefall. He's the least popular he's ever been. And he's in free fall.

1:03:17We are running low on all these missiles. They believe that we're running low on the missiles. They have resolved. All they have to do is wait. And we inevitably like lose this. Like, I mean, how do people, the level of like confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance going on in this clip is, is like, I don't know. it's legendary i've never seen anything quite this beautiful um i don't know any thoughts rob yeah he hasn't quite said it yet and i didn't watch this clip uh prior to the show but uh the couple clips i've seen from i haven't seen anything from him in four or five months but this strikes me like what i've heard from in the past which is basically it's our it's our fault and it's the american people's fault for not supporting this war because it would be winnable but we keep channeling to the enemy that the american public doesn't actually support this which is what's encouraging them to stay in it um and there's uh it's just it's like a devious cope because then how do we ever not have a war that we don't want and also you guys are winning about how winnable that this thing is and if we support it like it almost requires us to just put faith in that you know government a is doing the right thing and they're going to be reasonable in the way that they approach it and so everyone just needs to get in line and support it um because that's the only way that you'll have the good results and it completely it like just completely kind of leans on censorship and removing your own thought it's very like a cultish behavior um but then also what is the what like how much harder would have trump gone in this war if there was more support for it and would we be in a better situation and i'm gonna go with no and so what it will also Sure.

1:05:02No, I'm sorry. No, I totally agree with that. I just write it also isn't there something almost circular about the logic like it. Because look, I mean, excluding like some big excluding like China and Russia or something like that. But just being the United States of America having the most powerful military ever and we blow up the world so many times over like we we could almost go to war and win a war against just about anyone. I suppose if the political will was truly there to risk losing millions of lives if we need to or whatever. But like we could go and we could take Brazil or Morocco or, you know, whatever.

1:05:39Like and so if no one wanted to fight that war and then you launch that war. And then you're like, oh, man, no, everybody's against the war and everyone hates it. You go, well, the only reason we're losing it is because all these people are against the war and hate it. it's like well okay i guess but that's that's like me saying if i just force my whole family to pick up their stuff and move right now and move like i just go that's it i've made the executive decision you were all immediately moving with no notice you're in a new school you're in a new town you have new friends you have all this and everyone's miserable my wife and my kids just hate it the whole time and then i go well like this would have totally worked if you guys just loved it.

1:06:18Like what type of response is that? Like, I don't know. It's like, yeah, but obviously they don't. And for a reason, and it was on you to make this work. You're the one who made the decision. You're the one who it's the onus is on you. Nobody want the last thing this country wanted was another war. There's goddamn consensus. If there's ever been consensus, there was more consensus on that than, than had been worked up over whether eight-year-old boys with dicks can be called girls. There's more consensus on this. We don't want, the last thing we want is another stupid war. Then he went ahead and launched it.

1:06:51And now as you have to admit, at least in the second half of this thing, it's a disaster. Just like all the other ones you supported. And I'm sorry, man, for people like Glenn Beck, this does just cancel out anything else you ever did, man. So your entire legacy will just be supporting wars that were disasters and not learning your lesson and then pretending to learn your lesson and still not learning your lesson. Let's play the rest of this. No matter where they were in the world, they all said the same thing. You're sending exactly the wrong messages, people. Because I would ask people, what do the American people need to hear?

1:07:29If you had access to the American people, what would you think they need to hear? And the answer was universal. In all cases, you're sending the wrong message. you're sending the message to the world that you just aren't going to fight you're just not going to fight you won't do it and while that's true and understand the reasons for it etc etc that can't be the message you send iran doesn't have to win it only has to be still um and be standing when either our magazines or our patients or our pump prices run out. Okay? That's all we have to do. That's all they have to do. That's their strategy.

1:08:15Pause. And so far it is working. So it sounds like the war is being lost and it was a mistake. It sounds like that's what you're describing. And also if the rest of the world doesn't think that we're going to fight them all the time, might that be a better world? what's your evidence that we need everyone afraid of us all the time what do you actually think other countries are coming and invading the united states of america and you think if that happened the will to fight them wouldn't change and this is all just such stupidity it's also such an inversion of reality like what my god this is so us launching the u.s since um not forget since World War II since 9-11, right?

1:08:56We invaded Afghanistan, invaded Iraq. We started a civil war in Syria. We had a NATO-led no-fly zone war that toppled Gaddafi in Libya first, actually, then started a civil war in Syria. Before that, we had the massive drone bombing campaigns in Pakistan and Yemen. Then we turned around and backed the Saudi invasion of Yemen from about 2015 to 2022. Of course, obviously, as everyone knows, we backed Israel's destruction of Gaza. We've now launched two more wars in Iran. This is literally, I didn't even add Ukraine, I'm just doing Middle East, North Africa right now. But Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, I missed Somalia in there.

1:09:42That one was their two 20 year bombing campaign. Yemen, Gaza, all these things. And then they go, the message here is that we just don't want to fight. I don't know. It seems to me the message is that we want to fight wars constantly. We want permanent militarism and permanent forever wars. And then when you get permanent militarism and permanent forever wars, and then you get the reaction to that, your takeaway is this is what happens when we send the message that we don't want to fight. Why? Because the Americans are just totally fucking over this by the seventh disaster that you idiots push us into.

1:10:18Again, yes, Rob, it's dumb and it's an inversion of reality. But anyway, I guess, look, whatever, we got to wrap up there. But I guess like kind of one of the reasons why I thought this was so going back, this is what they're at. First of all, we've won. Now table that no further questions on that topic. Okay. Here's what a disaster it is. And clearly setting his audience up for, look, like here, like he essentially, if you notice the sly trick of hand there, Rob, he did was he went, we've won, put a pin in that table that now, but there is one thing that could threaten all the spoils of that victory that we got over there.

1:10:53So we're going to frame it as we won. Trump was right. I was right. Please don't come for me with pitchforks in the street for lying you into yet another war. Now that we've gotten that all over there, there is this unfortunate reality that threatens to rob us of all of those war victory spoils. And I guess it's me and you. And it's the fault of the people that didn't support this. Yep. Yeah. Fucking pathetic. But you know, it's not pathetic. All of you good people who listen to our show and you know, it's even cooler than that. The ones who come out and see us live. So make sure you do that. Comic Dave Smith.com porch tour.com.

1:11:31and make sure to go watch Rob's other great podcast, Run Your Mouth. All right, catch you guys next time. Peace.