A Response to Gad Saad on JRE

28:06Pretend there isn't an Israel lobby, but there is. And they've openly been pushing toward this war. Like Israel exists. The Israeli lobby exists. Now you can say, hey, lots of entities exist and lots of entities have their self-interest and lots of entities want to get things done. Like, okay, But this one is. And if there was a Chinese lobby that had gotten us to go attack South Korea, then that's what we'd be talking about. But it didn't. And so we're doing it this way. But there are these things. It's like the thing that's shocking here to me the most. one is how vapid this is like just how devoid of substance this is but then also just how like like philosophically confused gad is like it does not imply that donald trump doesn't have agency to say that israel also has agency and this is how they're using it like just for example like philosophical theoreticals here okay if there is a crazy guy and he's he's telling me he's goes i'm going to go murder these five people over here.

29:11I'm going to fucking kill these guys. And I go, okay, here is a loaded gun. And I hand it to him and he takes it and he goes and kills all those people. Holding me responsible for my actions in no way implies that that guy didn't also have agency. He had agency. I also had agency. I also played a role in this by giving a loaded firearm to someone who had openly stated they were going to use it to kill people. What are we talking about here? Nobody is suggesting Donald Trump doesn't have agency. That's not a thing. Secondly, it is, there is absolutely no contradiction between having universal goals, wanting the Iranian people to be free and flourish, and also not wanting to launch a war.

30:01These things are not contradictory. I wish all 92 million people in Iran freedom, liberty, prosperity, all that stuff. That's also true for all of the world, right? We'd all like that. We don't want kids to die and starve to death and suffer. We want them to live well. That doesn't, it doesn't then follow that therefore we should launch a war of aggression against the entire world, which by the way, is not free or prosperous or thriving that is going on all over the place entire continents are not doing great you know like this africa isn't doing great it doesn't mean we launch a war against the entire continent of africa there's no contradiction between that and wishing that like it also would be really awesome if africa turned around and everybody was rich and free that'd be great um but the then also you've i mean literally like you've built a case for war that is if you really take it down someday somewhere somehow maybe five years from now maybe 10 years from now maybe 15 years from now iran could do something really bad and so we got to launch a war because also at some point if this all works out the iranian people could be doing really good.

31:13I mean, come on, dude. What are these, kindergartners launching wars? Like, who even publicly would speak this way? I mean, it totally also ignores the fact that every single estimate says this regime is not going to fall. There is no Iranian liberty on the horizon as a result of this war. And all there has been so far is death and destruction for those people who you claim to care about. Like, I don't, yeah, the Iranians are cool. Great. I'm glad you observed that. I'm glad you noticed. Oh yeah, there are cool Iranians. I had some students who are Iranian. They're cool. Those 168 little girls, maybe all could have grown up to be cool people.

31:52Now they can't. Like, I'm, I don't know. I mean, I, it's like, this stuff just gets me angry because it's like, dude, you're like, you're, you're talking about murdering real human beings and you're going off this abstract bullshit. That's like contradictory. It doesn't even make sense. what are we talking about here dude that every war ever is justified by by gad's theory they could have done something bad one day and it could have maybe worked out good for the people and so therefore you got to do it let's just not talk about israel um all right here let's let's keep playing on this section for a little bit more i feel like there was something else good in here reason why they're in a situation they're in in the first place is because the united states because the United States and the British Petroleum Company.

32:37It's because they were trying to nationalize oil. That's what happened in the first place. You mean the Islamic Revolution? Yes. This is how it started in the first place. They realized that the British Petroleum Company was making a ton of money and they wanted to nationalize oil, and we got rid of them, and they installed this Islamic regime. And look, there's a lot of consequences for that down the road. But obviously the worst side of it was what happened to the Iranian people. When you look at the photos and the videos of Tehran from like the 1950s, the 1960s, I mean, my God, it looks like a Western society, women wearing skirts and everyone looks very modern and Western.

33:21And then it became this fundamentalist religious country that it is right now, this Islamic country that it is right now. They're under a regime that murders protesters. They famously murdered some high-level wrestlers. There was an Olympic gold medalist in the United States. The UFC tried to get involved and try to keep him from getting murdered. Yeah, they do horrible things. There's no doubt about it. It's a terrible regime. But there's a really good argument that that terrible regime is in place because of the CIA and because of the United States government, because the British Petroleum Company, because we intervened.

34:02And we've done that in the past. We did that with Libya, right? This is the reason why Muammar Gaddafi was out. We had Russell Crowe, who's a brilliant guy on the podcast, was explaining the history of Libya and how great it was for Libyan people when Muammar Gaddafi was in power, that if anybody wanted to get an education anywhere, they had some certain skills or talent in some certain area, They would fully pay for their education overseas. They gave everyone a house. Everyone who lived there had a home. I mean, people were educated. And he was trying to set up something akin to the United States, but the United States of Africa.

34:40And, you know, and they were like, we can't have any of that. And so they got rid of him and Libya became a failed state. Like we have monkeyed in other countries for our own interest for a long time and with horrible consequences for the people in those countries. And I think Iran is an excellent example of that. So how much of the Islamic regime coming into power in 1975, if you have 100 points that you can allocate to either it's the U.S. that causes it versus there's an Islamic regime with its theology that is really nasty. All right, here, pause it here for a second. I don't mean to pick on Gad for, you know, I'm sure I misspeak.

35:27and you know I know I say things wrong sometimes but like it was in 1979 dude like you're the professor who's coming here to talk about this that is I don't know man it's like when we when Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and you know 1742 like I don't know it's a pretty good big date to miss anyway uh regardless listen dude you're asking the question here. How much responsibility do you put on the U.S. for the Islamic regime coming into power? A lot. Like, I don't know. Yes. If the CIA hadn't overthrown Mossadegh, he would have still been in charge of that country. You know, like you put a dictator in years later, they revolt at the same location and take our people.

36:15If I'm remembering this correctly, it's where they held the hostages was the same place where the coup was launched from. It was clearly a counter to the installation of the Shah. Yeah, a ton of responsibility of that goes for you. Like, what do you want to say? It's like, look, obviously the people who rule Iran and have since 1979, they're responsible for the actions that they take. But what are we talking about here? Dude, you got to think, in 1953, okay, um we the united states of america the most powerful government that's ever existed coming off we are the the global superpower who just won two world wars and we go and we we decide to overthrow the government of of puny little iran yeah that's a that's a huge deal dude like that you have enormous power um when you're the world empire and so yeah obviously that's huge short of that happening probably none of the rest of it happens so you know that's a pretty big deal and then here let's let's play this thing but this like let's assign a number to it here let's keep playing uh you know the the cause of of that reality that's a good question that's a question that would be answered by historians rather than me but i think there's no doubt that we played a major factor in that.

37:42Don't you agree with that? I mean, yes and no. So let me explain why I say yes and no. When you have a complicated geopolitical system, you can always look, you remember the old butterfly effect, right? There's a butterfly flaps and swings in the Amazon and then how that reverberates into a cyclone somewhere else, right? It's kind of bullshit though. No, but I mean the principle of... It's great if you don't understand how the weather works. Fair enough. But the idea that there are causal networks is such that in this complicated web of causal networks, you can always find a particular entity that you can try to link back all of the causes to that entity.

38:26But the overthrow of a foreign government and supporting an Ayatollah to take their place, it's a pretty big factor. Yeah. But that's why I asked you to to allocate the 100 points. I would be the guy to answer that. I'm going to answer off the top of my head, and it's completely speculative. So the numbers I'm going to say are not. Let's ascribe 10 out of the 100 points to whatever power the U.S. wields in that region to have allowed that regime to come in. But that regime carries the other 90 points of the 100 because they are the ones who for the next 47 years implement the reality that the common version is going to pause it for a second let's pause it for a second this is oh my god oh my god if you notice at the beginning he said how much responsibility for this regime coming into power now he's going to say he goes give it a number and joe goes yeah i don't know that's for historians I mean, truthfully, I don't think any historians, no one can ever give you exact number.

39:33But regardless of that, then at the end, so first it's who's most responsible for them coming into power. Then his answer is that it's got to be 90 for them. He pulls this number, admits, I'm just pulling a number out of my ass. Let's just make it a low number. OK, and then but then he says it's got to be more on them because of all that they did after that point. Sorry, those are two different questions. Okay, the mullahs and the ayatollahs, the three that have ruled Iran, they're completely responsible, 100 % responsible for what they do to their own people and the manner in which they rule, obviously.

40:15And the U.S. is 100 % responsible for overthrowing a democratically elected government in 1953. 53. The U.S. is 100 percent responsible for facilitating the sale of chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein and then funding and backing and arming him when he invaded the country of Iran and killed hundreds of thousands of people and used chemical weapons against civilians. We are 100 % responsible for that. Like Saddam Hussein is also 100 % responsible for it. What is this dividing numbers? Everybody's got agency. Everyone is 100 % responsible for what they do. But yes, it makes a huge difference when the global superpower puts their finger on the scale.

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42:05All right, let's let's let Gad continue to dig a hole. Anything in the world can ultimately be linked back to oxygen, to the United States, to the military complex, to the Zionist lobby. Pause it for a second here. I want you to really I want you guys to really wrap your head around the fact that he's actually making this argument. he's actually making this argument everything could be linked back to oxygen anything everything could be linked back to your mother for having you so you know um we should really give up on laws and i mean like what's the point of having a murder trial man because like i don't know we could just link this back to your mom or oxygen so why hold human beings responsible for their criminal activity you know the scenario i gave you a second ago i give a guy who just told me he's going to murder a bunch of people.

42:56I give him a loaded weapon and say, you go on your way and you do that. Well, who's to say, I mean, are we going to hold me responsible for giving him a loaded weapon or maybe blame the weather? Is this really the argument we're going with here? Need I even address this? Like, what are we talking about here, man? Yeah. There's a lot of factors going on in the world. That doesn't mean we can't point to certain ones and go, this was a huge one. This is criminal. This is aggression. This is murder. All right, let's keep playing. All of those entities are connected in a meaningful way in this causal network.

43:35But is using Occam's razor, does it really make sense to blame, for example, people say ISIS is really due to whatever Israel. I mean, in some facile way, you could draw the causal link of how there was a vacuum that was created by the U.S. when they de-Baathized Iraq that allowed an exchange. So do we blame ISIS on American policy or the Zionist lobby? Or does ISIS itself have any personal agency in terms of what it then does for the next 10 years that it's in power. Do you see what I'm saying? I do. So this is the old story. I'm going to butcher it, but I quoted it. Okay, here, let's pause it for a second.

44:26Again, again, it doesn't imply that ISIS doesn't have agency and that they're not responsible for what they do when they're in power. Just to be clear here, what he's talking about, you could make an argument when we de-Baathified Iraq. So here's what we did. Iraq, we launched a war in Iraq based off complete lies at the behest of the Israel lobby. And we go into the country, right? So the Iraq is like something like 20 % Sunni and like 60 % Shiite. But Saddam Hussein is a Sunni Ba 'athist. So ruled over the super majorities of the population. So we overthrow that government and we disband the military.

45:08OK, now it's important to keep in mind there was zero al Qaeda presence in Iraq before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion. OK, this is well known, well documented. Saddam Hussein hated the al Qaeda guys. He was terrified of them. He did not let them in the country. They had no relationship whatsoever. What happened was then we go into the country, we overthrow the regime, we disband the military. So now you got, you know, tens of thousands of military aged Sunnis who have been trained in nothing other than to be trained killers. Right. Also at the time, because if you remember this 2003, Osama bin Laden was still alive.

45:52Osama bin Laden declares for all Al Qaeda to go to Iraq to because this is, you know, he already declared a jihad against America. And this is where all the American soldiers are. So you go get you some Al Qaeda, go kill Americans in Iraq, which they did a bunch of thousands. So then Al Qaeda, so essentially non-Iraqi Al Qaeda members flood into the country. They join the insurgency and a mix of also the disbanded military. And this all forms up to be the insurgency and what became known as AQI, Al Qaeda in Iraq. now okay then um there's kind of like a split amongst different al-qaeda members and a chunk of them break off and form isis then barack obama in 2011 and in 2012 his genius play also at the behest of the israel lobby also from the original goal in the clean break memo right one of the countries on wesley clark seven countries in five years syria is up next so what we're going to do is we are going to fund and arm any rebels who are anti-Assad.

47:03Who were the rebels who were against Assad? The Sunni radicals from Iraq, the insurgency in Iraq. He then armed and funded. This is why those videos of ISIS, they're driving around in Toyota trucks. They're holding American weapons. And he funded them for years in the attempt to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, which ultimately happened uh years later yeah we got a lot of responsibility for that man like that's just oh you're just picking things out of the air we could all draw a causal thing also there was oxygen yeah okay all right well oxygen is also responsible yes it's true that guy wouldn't have murdered that guy if he couldn't breathe but to accept gad's framework here is to just give up on the idea of morality and crime and responsibility.

47:52Like what is this? This is philosophical nonsense. Like, yes, ISIS is also responsible for the stuff they did. Every single head that they chopped off a person, they're responsible for that too. Barack Obama and John Brennan and John Kerry are also responsible for arming that head shopping psychopath. What is complicated about that? Where's the contradiction? All right, let's keep playing. The hammer, he only sees the world as being made up of the nails, right? So this is when you're presuming that there is greater explanatory power to a particular cause than there really is. Look, I'll give you an example.

48:37Okay. So let's suppose that the night before an eventual dictator that was going to become a dictator, his parents felt particularly amorous that night. And what made them amorous to then eventually conceive that guy who became a dictator who killed three million people is that they played Barry White music because Barry White music is baby making music. So it is in a very silly way, absolutely true, that had Barry White not been such a great singer with a deep voice that makes the ladies drop the panties, then those two parents of the eventual dictator would not have had sex that night. I will stop you right there because I don't think there's sex that's ever been had because only of Barry White.

49:29I think people have been having sex since the beginning of time. I don't believe it. It's wonderful music. I don't think it causes sex. Do not criticize Barry White. I'm not criticizing. I just say it's great music. I don't believe it. I think people have been getting it on from the beginning of time, and they probably would have done the exact same thing that night if it was Barry White or Barry Manilow. I don't think it matters. So let's not put Barry White. There was some facilitating mechanism that rendered them amorous on that particular night. Whatever that mechanism is, it is absolutely true that we can lay the blame.

50:07Some blame of that dictator eventually killing 3 million. We can pause it and move to the next clip here. But like, I mean, I don't know. It's just this is painful because it's just it's so obvious that Gad, he's starting from his conclusion, right? He's starting from Israel's right and it's not their fault. and then he's just trying to work back from there but he's just grasping at anything i mean so the the scenario that i just laid out about um isis in syria right invading iraq and then disbanding the military and then osama calling his people in and then we arm them in syria and then it creates this civil war in syria where like 500 000 people died um that clearly would not have happened if george w bush hadn't invaded the country and then barack obama hadn't funded and armed ISIS.

50:59There's just no way you get to that state of things short of that. But I guess it's also true that whatever music that, you know, Barack Obama's mom and dad had sex to, if they hadn't had sex and made him, he wouldn't have been in power to arm ISIS. Okay. One of those things is criminal. The other one is not. Like, yes, it is true that there's all types of causal things that happen, but we've pretty clearly delineated as human beings with a modicum of common sense, which the ones that are criminal and the ones that aren't like the ones that are aggression in nature are a little bit different than random things that you couldn't possibly hold someone responsible for.

51:47Right. So in other words, you couldn't possibly hold Barry White responsible for making music that people like to have sex to, and then a murderer being produced from that sex, but you can hold Barack Obama responsible for knowingly arming terrorists. Like, what are we talking about here, man? I mean, I know I'm just some dumb comedian and you're this brilliant guy, Gadzad, but like, really, dude, really, this is the argument we're going with. Yeah. Let's, let's skip to whatever the next timestamp is. I literally like, and it's unfair that I've had to watch this twice now. And we'll go through a little bit more of this, and I'm just going to have to call it an episode at a certain point.

52:31But like, it's unbelievable watching because I listened to the whole podcast. And now I'm listening back to this clip. And it's like, even as I'm hearing, I'm like, I can't believe he actually said this on the biggest show in the world. Okay, let's go to the next clip. And losses in our lives. So most of us will attribute successes internally. I did well on the exam because I'm smart and I studied hard. And excuse me, we will attribute failures externally. I did poorly on the exam because Professor Saad is an asshole, right? And you can understand why we would have evolved that rosy prism. Life is tough.

53:12It's an ego defensive strategy. I do well because of me. I do poorly because of the cruel world out there. Now, imagine if we could find the culprit, and I'll explain why it is specifically the Jew. Imagine if we could find a culprit, a universal culprit for all of our individual and collective failures. And it's the Jew. But why is it the Jew? Why isn't it the Armenian? Why isn't it the whatever? Here, I'm going to use a term from Amy Chua. Do you know Amy Chua? No. Okay, I thought that she might have been on your show. Amy Chua is actually the mentor of J.D. Vance. She was his professor of law at Yale.

53:52She's written several popular books, including the book on how to raise children as a tiger mom. Have you heard the Tiger Mom book? You know, this kind of tough parental Asian excellence and so on. So Amy Chua introduced the term, I mean, the concept is not hers, but the term is hers, market dominant minorities, meaning when you have a small minuscule group of people in any cultural ecosystem that are boxing well above their weight class. Now, in many cases, you'll have, for example, you have Lebanese, non-Jews, Lebanese, who are the business owners all over West Africa. So they are fitting that market dominant minority.

54:37They're a small minority, but they carry all the business. Okay, so it's not as though it's only the Jew that's the only market dominant minority. Wherever you have market dominant minorities, you have animus towards that group because the greater group, many of whom are not being successful, look at that group with animus, with envy. The Jews, wherever they are, are always, by definition, short of Israel, are always a minuscule group that is always boxing well above their weight. Why is that? There are several reasons. Let's just pause it here. So, again, this is the, by the way, I did not, so this is one thing I'll give Gad's ad.

55:18I learned one thing from this podcast. I did not know that Amy Chua was a mentor to J.D. Vance. That is news to me. uh i and i never read the tiger mom book but i did read world on fire and another one she had i think it was called warring tribes something like that i got it over here on the shelf let me see i can't spot it anyway they're both really great books so i don't probably don't agree with her on everything but really really good books um his answer here is complete nonsense that the reason why anti-Semitism exists or persists is because of, you know, jealousy, right? This is Benjamin Netanyahu.

55:59We're a market dominant minority. We're just out here winning in the market. And then everybody else hates us. And he goes on later. And you know what? Let's jump to the last clip that I had sent to you or just for when I come to it next, Natalie. Thank you. But so essentially he's saying, Hey, that's at another point in the episode, he argues that Muslim immigration is the reason why Jew hatred is rising in this country. It's like, we're just bringing in the Muslims and they already hate the Jews. And so that's why, but this is like demonstrably not true. It's demonstrably not true. Dude, look at the polls.

56:36Israel was at plus 48 in, in 2000, in 2023, they're at negative two now. They've fallen 50 points in approval ratings since they launched the genocide in Gaza. Did we take in 200 million Muslims since that? Like the numbers that you would need to explain it from that are ridiculous. And also this thing, like, it's just, I don't know, man, it's just not the case. Like, so Jews have been a market dominant minority in America my entire life, my entire life. And well, before my life, but just for example, the last 43 years, Jews have been a market dominant minority. Why the spike since they started the genocide?

57:21Explain that. Oh, you know what really has some pretty good explanatory power there is that it's a reaction to what they did to Gaza. I mean, what are we even talking about here? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Fast Growing Trees. I love this company. Whether you're in a house or an apartment, if you have a green thumb or if you're like me and you definitely need help, you got to check out Fast Growing Trees. They're America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants to choose from and experts available every day to help you plan, design, or just learn how to care for them.

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59:1870 it's a 95 and up whoa right so if we sampled a thousand people from syria and it's hate the hate Jews? I don't remember because negative opinion, disfavorable, dislike. Oh, you know what? Actually, can you go to the timestamp? I apologize, Natalie. Can you go to the one I gave you before this one? Because I kind of just mentioned this already. He's saying that's the reason why Jew hatred is going up because Muslims hate Jews so much and we bring too many Muslims into this country. Problem is the polls literally prove him wrong. The numbers, the timing, it just is not explained by Muslim immigration to the United States.

59:54Anyway, let's go to the other clip and then we'll wrap up. Where the type of animus that is shared regarding the Jews is so outlandish that it would make Hitler and Himmler squirm in unease. If you can get rid of that brainwashing, you will learn to see the other as an equal human being. Could I interject there? Do you think that the bombing of Gaza and the destruction that's so clearly visible to everyone would actually stop that? Do you think that the bombing of Gaza would maybe make more people radicalized, that would make more people want to attack Israel? That would give them - 100%. You're right that you are creating a new generation of terrorists.

1:00:49But again, you're choosing to decide where to place the causal point. Gaza existed fully peacefully for 20 plus years without anybody dying. The day that they decided to do what they did resulted in a retaliation. I forgot about that claim. We can discuss whether it's good or not enough or too much. That is true. At the root of the problem is an open system. Dude, so here's the thing. He goes, well, you're choosing where to place the causal link. And yeah, but so are you. You're just choosing a different causal area. And yeah, it does seem like, dude, this is, by the way, everyone, General McChrystal talked about insurgent math, right?

1:01:36The more people you kill, the more people that are on your list. because that person that you just killed, when you get an innocent person or someone like that, they had a cousin and a brother and a father and a nephew, and they all join up to fight afterward. So yeah, I'm like General McChrystal, the libertarian dove, who must be poisoned by leftist campus ideology or something like that, the guy conducting the war in Afghanistan. It's just a reality. Yeah, he placed the causal link there too because killing his little sister is the thing that got him to join up with the cause. Muhammad Atta joined the hijacker who hit the North Tower, joined Al Qaeda after an attack in Lebanon.

1:02:16Like, this is what makes them do this stuff, obviously. And so Gad can sit here and say, oh, well, you're choosing to make that the cause of all of this. But for Gad said, I mean, I'm sorry, dude, I'm sorry. This is just, I mean, to blatantly lie. Maybe, I don't know. I guess if I'm being charitable here to to not know anything, to know so little about this that he said for 20 years. Gaza was in a state of peace where no one died. I literally just Googled on here. Right. Because I go, hey, Israeli military operations in Gaza in the last 20 years. OK, Operation Cast Lead, of course, 22 day military offensive launched in 2008, late 2008 into early 2009.

1:03:10Operation Pillar of Defense, an eight day campaign, Operation Protective Edge, a seven week war. Operation Guardian of the Walls, an 11 day conflict. Operation Breaking Dawn, the brief escalation. Operation Shield and Arrow, five day war. Israel's been at war within the entire time. Every last one of these operations killed a ton of people. Now, they didn't destroy the entire thing and genocide the people until 23, but Gaza was under full blockade for the entire 20 years he's talking about with multiple different mowing of the lawns, as they like to call it in Israel. And, of course, as Joe rightfully brings up on the show, during that period, Netanyahu was intentionally keeping Hamas in power.

1:03:58Oh, what was Gad's response? Absolutely nothing. He had absolutely nothing to say. But so you're just, I don't know what to say. Like you're either lying or you're so ignorant on this subject that you should not be talking about it in public. And sit here all day and say, I'm just a comedian. Oh, mock my level of expertise. I know more about it than you do, bro. I didn't think no one died in Gaza for 20 years, that there was no war and it was in a state of peace. And by the way, the entire time they were denied statehood, you know, Gadd goes off and I got to wrap on this. I apologize because I've just I got a film and Pierce Morgan coming up, which is why I moved the podcast earlier today.

1:04:37But, you know, Gadd had this thing later where he talks about he goes, yeah, you know, like bad things happened in the past. but like at a certain point you got to move on from that. And he talks about how he, him and his family had to flee Lebanon, but like, he doesn't walk around hating people for that. And let's, you know, and like, okay, fair enough. This is kind of why I always focus on 1967 rather than 1948. That it would be, I guess, reasonable enough. If you were talking about the knock, but like, like he's kind of, he's like, I'm not going to say nothing bad happened and you didn't get kicked out of your home, but like, eventually you got to move on from that.

1:05:12Like, okay. Okay. The major issue there is that Israel ethnically cleansed them in 47 and 48, a little bit less than a million, like 700 to 800 ,000 people got forced out of Israel and not allowed to return. But then less than 20 years later, they launched a preemptive war, preemptive, launched a war against Egypt. Okay, Jordan got into the fighting. This is the Six-Day War in 1967 now, right? Jordan gets into the fighting. So it's a war between Israel, Egypt, and Jordan. And at the end of the war, Israel won, and they took control of Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem. And they've had it ever since.

1:05:59It's been 60 fucking years of brutal military occupation. So this isn't just like, oh, the Palestinians are still angry about this thing that happened back in 1948. they're angry about the thing that's been happening every single day this entire time since at least in 67 probably since 48 because there were all types of operations in the in the meantime there too in that 20-year period so you know if you got it in your head for some reason that gaza was free and independent and nobody was dying for 20 years and they still oh okay well then yeah that's really leading you to get this wrong because actually that's not what happened at all and why wasn't Gaza a country why weren't they a nation-state during all this time if they were free and peaceful and there was no war oh yeah because Israel doesn't let them have a government they don't allow them to have a government for that entire 20-year period Israel controls the sea space the airspace the trade that flows into the country the taxing power the electricity that like everything is real completely ran the place and here's the thing man people don't much like being dominated by another group so if you're going to pretend that's not happening then yeah okay it doesn't make sense to blame that but you have to lie in order to do that say no one died there was peace for 20 years absolute bullshit um so i'd love to get dinner with gad someday dude open invite gad come on the podcast anytime obviously he's not going to take me up on this and that's fine.

1:07:34But I promise I would conduct it in complete good faith. But this stuff is just, you know, he can talk all this stuff about, you know, oh, I'm just a comedian or something like that. But all right, this, I mean, this is laughable, just laughable. All right. I got to run on that. Thank you guys so much. Catch you on the next episode. Peace.

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