American Identity

27:43Cause I was just maniacally cackling about this before the show started. But if you pull this tweet up and God damn, maybe, maybe it's just my age and maybe there is something here that you think is me being prejudice or something like that, but I don't think so. Um, but the, literally the sentence of the tweet i just love this oh shout out to mario uh he's the one who posted i forgot it was his tweet but he just says abdul el saeed put the american identity into words and just like reading that sentence abdul el saeed put the american identity into words like i don't know man i do think there is something pretty crazy about that it's pretty crazy.

28:27I just don't, I just, um, I don't know, man. Now I'm not saying like, he's not American. He can't have a comment on the American identity or something like that, but it kind of is something to like be, even if you want to say that the identity of a team or, or, or, or if you, even if you want to say there's a team who brings in new players, you know and gets bigger and bigger for the newest player to be the one speaking on the identity of the team seems kind of bad form to me in principle yeah well i think that's uh particularly horrifying if the guy's a democratic socialist and so he's uh transforming the he's not for the record he claims not to be a socialist for the record but just to say all right well shows what i know no i i thought so at first too until i heard him say no because he is like lumped in with that batch of guys well i guess i'll have to dig up his political views and see how he's lying about his interest in democratic socialism we gotta uh he gets into his take on medicare for a little bit we could play that but let's do let's do the american identity i guess it's more medicare hence making him a democratic socialist rob are you you're telling me you didn't cheat how did you how did you possibly know it was more better all right hold that thought for the end of the show that was crazy dude that's like your buddy at the beginning of sixth sense going, I bet he's dead the whole time.

29:53He's a pretty fucking great. How'd you know? Yes, more, Rob. That is his recommendation. But no, he's actually, it's quite funny how he gets into it. Let's do the identity one first, though. Here he is on the American identity. Americans, I'm curious what it means to you.

30:08This is a country where there is no ethnic identity. There's no religious identity. There is just a national identity. and I didn't appreciate it. Pause it already. Just, just pause it already, dude. And, and do you not get, listen again, do you not get my point? Like, look, if, um, if shit, like, let's just say some hypothetically, this country really falls apart. Things get so bad here that I feel like I got to grab my family and flee. And I'm able to get a few things together. And Japan is willing to take me. And I go into Japan and then Japan lets me in, you know? And then I literally like, Like they even they give me citizenship.

30:52They allow me and my family to live there. I thrive there. I'm doing really well. My family is doing really well. And then I turn around and I go, all right, I'm running for office. And let me tell you, first of all, about Japan. And let me tell you something. There is the best thing about Japan. Just say the absolute best thing about Japan is that they let me in. That's the best thing. Best thing is their openness to other people coming in. there's no such thing as really even being Japan. There's no identity, there's no culture, there's no anything. The best thing about him is that I could come here and be just as Japanese as anybody else.

31:27Like, dude, do you not see where the optics of the, like, even if you think this is correct on principle, do you not go, man, I am coming over to a dinner party and just farting in the dining room right now? Is there, is there no sense of which you're like, this is just like, I mean, look, dude, now he's going to get into a point about why he's really arguing that America, He's actually arguing here that there's no other identity to American to being American other than the national identity. There is nothing else to it. And again, let's let's go to his argument here. But that to me is. I don't know.

32:07That's a wild thing to to say to a nation as a very new arrival. like i just i don't know that is like that is a really really crazy thing and look essentially my point's going to be this we can play some more of what he's saying i'm not saying again i'm not saying that they're the the comparison to japan i'm using an extreme to paint a picture obviously we do not have the same type of like ethnic and national identity that japan has but i'm just using but we don't have nothing it's not correct that we have nothing that's also not correct and And so I'm just using that to paint a picture that it is.

32:46Well, it's not quite as crazy as it would be for me to do that in Japan. It is still pretty crazy for him to do that here. Any thoughts you have on that, Rob? I'm somewhat comfortable with speaking to that. There's a national identity. But to me, part of that national identity is no free shit. It's if you want to work hard here, you can you can make you can earn a better life for yourself. And that was the national identity. That's that's the America that I grew up with is that, you know, a nation of immigrants. and there's freedom here. And if you want to work hard and take the chance of being here, you can make a better life for yourself or for your family.

33:21But anything in line with, hey, we need more social benefits or the American identity is that we have to take care of everybody and we have to include minorities and we got to make sure that there's social benefits for them. Well, then I don't know what national identity you're speaking of. Please don't speak for the American collective identity if it includes socialism. Well, listen, there is, again, the history of the United States of America is the history of a nation. America is a very unique nation in a lot of ways. Like in a lot of ways, America is a very unique nation. And it's very unique in how rich it became.

34:01It's very unique in how powerful it became, both economically and militarily. It's very unique in the freedoms that were enshrined into its founding documents. And it's very unique in the radical openness it had toward immigration and radical demographic change. There's kind of just no question about that. Like there were like major waves of immigration in America. There were also major periods of pauses on immigration, which the open borders activists don't like to talk about. But that's part of it, too. But OK, so all of these things are true. But that doesn't still mean that there's a nation here or at least at some point there was.

34:39And so in other words, like Daryl Cooper was talking about this on a Tom Woods show the other day. I thought he made a good point about like this. Right. So this is me like kind of in my own words, borrowing from what I got from his point, but maybe adding some to it. But like, let's just say hypothetically, right, you're you're like a real heritage American or whatever they would call that. Me and you are not. But let's say your family goes back to the Mayflower or whatever. and you've just been in this quite a bit do you yeah i'm like a fourth or fifth generation i think i don't know oh i don't know why i just i don't know why i just thought you were we got a pretty good run here oh were you so you were like a real early uh okay i didn't i knew one of my great my great grandmother and she was american and she had immigrated but i had other great greats that were here so i got to be like fourth oh i didn't actually i did not know that about you, Rob.

35:32Well, look at that. Well, guys, well, I think we're going to have to, we're going to have to switch spots on this podcast, bro. I didn't realize you go back further than me. Um, but like, okay. So if you do, if you, let's say you went all the way back, let's say you were like, or let's say like you were like the, uh, the descendant of like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington or something, one of the white ones. Uh, and let's say, uh, well, like, doesn't it just look on the face of it? It kind of makes sense that if someone were to say to you, like, well, what's great about this country? What do you love about America?

36:05What is it to be America? And you're going to be like, well, like the founding tradition and the people and the liberties that are enshrined in the Bill of Rights and the this, and maybe even some things that we don't like as much. And we won the world wars and we did or whatever. But like, there's like an American identity there. There is a thing that people think of as American. There is a reason, the example I gave the other day was like when Vivek Ramaswamy is talking about all that tiger mom shit. And there's like, they got the people who like, there's the Asian moms who like your kid will be in violin practice and then we'll be in doing this and then we'll be reading more and maybe for fun on the weekends, we'll read nonfiction, but they're not, they're not hanging out with other people and they're going to be on high honor rolls.

36:50I don't raise my kids like that at all, even though I value their intellectual development. because I'm American. We kind of do things different. You can't say we have nothing. There's a culture here. For that person who was the heritage American, goes all the way back, you could see where they're more likely for that to be the story of America. Whereas Abdul El Saeed, his story is more like, what's so awesome about America that they let everybody in. I'm not saying that's not understandable because for his family, that's what's awesome about the country, but they let everybody in and they have welfare and they have affirmative action and they make sure that it's really easy for the brown guy with a weird name to race right up to the top of the line and cut through all these white people who have been here for all these years.

37:32Of course you like that about the country. And of course they like that about the country. It's like your interests are just diametrically opposed in some ways. The question becomes who should get their way. And I say it's the people who are here. Like, I don't know. This is not crazy. This is the, this is common sense it's obvious once you let your mind just entertain this opinion well so isn't the history of letting people in uh almost suckers that we were putting to work like yeah go ahead go make your way out west enjoy yeah show up to new york we'll shove you in a factory well however you want to i think you might be a little bit unfairly uh characterizing that as manipulative or making them suckers i mean the fact is that right at the very beginning like, I don't know, Rob, like around the time of the Louisiana purchase or something like that, we need more people.

38:20We got this whole big frontier. We got to go explore this whole big frontier around the time of the industrial revolutions. We have these huge factories and we need jobs. We need more people for these jobs. Like, yes, there was a time where for other circumstantial situational reasons, it made sense for major influxes of people. That is different than living in a gigantic welfare state following the Joe Biden years. Like, you know, it's just a different situation. But anyway, but just back to the idea that like there is no American identity. I just I don't know, man, like particularly I think that people more the liberal or left half of America, I don't think fully recognize how much the American identity means to the whole right half of America.

39:11They actually believe there is an American identity and they care very much about that. All right, let's keep playing. Until I went to grad school in the UK, where I'd meet third generation Pakistani kids. And I'd be like, you're British. They're like, I'm not British. I'm Pakistani. I was like, yes, but you're British. You have a British citizenship. They're like, yes, I'm a citizen of the United Kingdom, but I'm not British. they're British I'm Pakistani and the amazing thing about America is that we not only have the civics that enable us to become fully and foundationally American but we also have a culture of that where yes there are some people who want to define America as being smaller than that it can't include certain groups of people whoever the out group is that they want to point to, but we are constantly in this process of negotiating a bigger America.

40:09So essentially, he says, we're constantly in this process of negotiating a bigger America. It's okay. I mean, I don't necessarily even completely agree with that, but like implied in negotiating is what? Someone doesn't want it. Yeah, that there's someone else there and that we're going to compromise and be reasonable and that there'll be some type, you know what I'm saying? We're not, no one's going to get everything they want, but we will all get some of what we want. Not you guys lose everything. That's not negotiating. That's conquest. Now, again, just like to take the logic here, right? Because obviously the logic of what he just said is flawed.

40:44If you really examine it, he starts off with the claim, a very like wild claim that America has no other identity than national identity, no religious identity, no ethnic identity, no racial identity, nothing, nothing, just national identity. And what's the proof of that? I didn't realize that till I went to Britain and realized they have a much stricter cultural or ethnic identity. Okay. Well, just because that was stricter doesn't mean we have nothing. And yes, it is much easier. And maybe even you could argue the difference is that it is possible to become an American where it's not possible to become a Brit if you're an Indian, Hindu or something like that.

41:25But that doesn't mean we have nothing. And dude, like, are you telling me, Rob, that like, and again, this almost seems to be the claim that like, if you just went to Haiti and gave them the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, they're America now. There is no difference. Like, it's like, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, no, there would be different. That would be a different country. It wouldn't be exactly the same. And I got to say this, I know we're a couple of Jews here, but to say there's no religious identity when the country has been 90 plus percent Christian for its entire history, like that does not make any sense at all, dude.

42:07You can't say that that is entirely like, listen, if you want to say this hasn't been like a Christian nation through the legislative process or something like that, or that the government is secular. Okay. But to say that there's absolutely no Christian identity to America or that there's no, but by the way, not white, white and black identity to America. Like, you're just telling me like you, if you just saw a room, if you just saw like an NBA game between Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and whoever, just like, and then I just showed you a court of a bunch of Japanese people it's all basketball there's no there it's all America it's all the same there's no difference here like I'm sorry no it is at this is like if I were to say to you Rob you ever watch the movie uh white men can't jump not remember that movie but very familiar with it you're familiar with it that has nothing to do with white and black culture nothing dude it's just basketball or something like that what no it's not i mean obviously there's an element of basketball culture to it there's an element of black culture there's an element of way i don't know i just think it's crazy for new arrivals to say the best thing about america is that you never had the america before i got here that's the best thing about us that's the best thing about us the best thing about us is all that stuff doesn't exist at all This is again, to his next point here, this is not a yes, it is true that the American identity and the American experience and the American story is different.

43:45And yes, a Chinese person can come to America and become an American. Okay, like this is how I view it. Yes, a Chinese that's been the deal the entire time, Rob. Literally, that's been the deal the entire time. Since I was a fucking kid, the Chinese, I mean, I don't know if you know who had citizenship or who didn't have citizenship, but the kid of the guy who ran the Chinese restaurant was as much an American citizen as I was or whatever. Like, yes, that is the deal, right? But that is a separate conversation from if we imported a billion Chinese, are we still America? And I would answer the second question is no.

44:25The answer to the second question is no. If we import a billion Chinese people to America, so now it's like the overwhelming majority is Chinese. They don't all become Americans. We all become a form of Chinese. I don't want to be Chinese.

44:44And that's the perfect cap on that point. Exactly. Here, let's go back to the clip. Is there some more of this one? And so America, to me, is the notion that we can come together around our differences to build something that's greater than the sum of its parts because we believe in the process by which we do that thing so all right just pause it again i mean pause it rob like america is a notion that's it we're a notion we're the notion that you could do stuff like no dude america is the middle part of north america we are what's between mexico and canada and then we claim Alaska and Hawaii and a couple other little islands.

45:26Like, like we're a place, we're a place. There's a people who lived here. It happened over the last 200 years. There's a history, there's a culture, there is art and, and science and innovations. Like there's a real people here. We're not a notion. How do you get to come into a country, be a person whose father still speaks with a thick accent, like a first generation and then tell everybody else you're a notion, by the way.

45:54I guess I have a slightly different perspective, which is I don't totally disagree with this guy, but the process that he describes where he goes, we're all supposed to be the sum greater than the parts through a process. And that process is supposed to be free market capitalism. Well, that's true too. Well, look, man, I don't think that's out of line with what I'm saying. Look, to the extent that America has a culture that we really recognize as American, you know, people our age, if we're talking about whatever we think of as the 80s and 90s and the aughts and the teens and what America has been like throughout our life, that was largely built off of, first off, a period of time of very restricted immigration to the point that there was a period in time where everyone had to meld together and people's identities didn't become so much with their local ethnic enclaves, their little neighborhood.

46:50If you go to the 1930s and you go to downtown Manhattan or something like that, the Italians and the Irish and the Jews, their identity is going to be so rooted in those different ethnic groups. But over a period of time without mass migration, it could come where their kids and their grandkids are all really kind of Americans or something like that. But during that time, my argument is that there was a culture, there was a people, there was a tradition. The fact that it was a tradition of about 10 % Black people who were brought against their will from Africa and then later technically freed but still quasi-enslaved and then later ultimately freed, and on top of that and a small percentage of the heritage Americans and a mix of European immigrants coming over.

47:40Okay, that's a lot more complicated than just French, but that doesn't mean it's nothing. It's what I just said. It's a mix of the 10 % descendants of the African people who were enslaved and the 90 % majority who may are a European mix, mostly Christians, different from all of Christendom.

48:02Okay, That's what we knew as America. And yes, Rob, the cultural deal in America was always, at least rhetorically, was supposed to be what? Liberty. That was obviously always what the cultural thing that we were rallying around was the idea of free markets, free people. You can do what you like. You can believe what you like. And the government shouldn't be allowed to stop you from that. But at the same time, the government shouldn't be, you know, forcing me to subsidize you and all that shit. Yeah, that was always deeply embedded in America. It was so deeply embedded, man, that we used to just say it's a free country as like a saying when I was a kid.

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49:51I think when you whitewash over the not socialist aspect to go, hey, we're all just supposed to be a collective identity and come, you know, anyone should be allowed to come here and everyone should be included. You're just I don't know. You're just preaching socialism. That's the root of what you're saying is that this is supposed to be inclusive of everybody and that everyone's supposed to be granted the opportunity of the free benefits of the state. Yes. And that's not American to me. That's right. That's right. And there is something where like that it also creates, you know, as Daryl was saying the other day, it creates like this type of kind of like permanent revolution that the political class very much likes.

50:36And there's a reason for that, you know, kind of like constant changing and constant upheaval. All right. Let's let's keep playing. Egypt in like 20 years and he still has an accent. He still looks the way he looks. and you watch him watch the lions on Sunday. And you're like, that's a full blooded American. So that's a, so there you go. So he goes, he's, he's talking about his father here, you know, maybe if we could clean that up for post a little bit more to get that like point. Cause there, that really is something there that he essentially says that, you know, my father speaks in a thick accent and he wasn't bored.

51:16Yeah. Let's just play it. I think probably just like the last 20 seconds even. And so America to me is the notion that we can come together around our differences to build something that's greater than the sum of its parts because we believe in the process by which we do that thing. It's funny, you know, my dad, I don't think he's been to Egypt in like 20 years and he still has an accent. He still looks the way he looks. and you watch him watch the lions on sunday and you're like that's a full-blooded american i mean look man i just uh i don't know what to say rob i just find that i think that shit is like really i think that's wrong there's nothing wrong about him saying that and having this attitude it's it is so self-serving and awfully convenient to look around to america to this country america I'm sorry, I was born here and I love it here.

52:13And like, I, to say that somebody born in Egypt with a thick Egyptian accent, that is, there is no difference between that and America. And, and well, isn't that, that's kind of convenient when that's your dad, but like, no, Rob, I do think to most people in America, we would say that, like, I don't know if we would say it exactly like that guy in Britain told them, like, you could never be an American because you're from there or you're there. You're, but like, no, like, is that as American as apple pie? No, like we have a saying that's a thing said as American as apple pie. We don't say as American as a guy with a thick Egyptian accent watching the lions game.

52:56That hasn't been a popular slogan here. And I don't like, I don't know. I just don't think that's right. I don't think that should be the attitude also rob everybody around abdul el saeed brags about how well spoken he is they brag about the fact that he doesn't speak with an accent isn't there something a little strange about all this pick a lane people either accents uh make you less american or not well look i mean i just think like it's a um i think it's it'd be one thing this is just my position i think somebody like abdul el saeed i'm not even saying he can't run for anything or he can't you know i'm just saying wouldn't it be more like appropriate when asked about this for him to like say that like even if he were like at least recognize the self-interest in that where he goes like well look obviously one of my favorite things about america is that they were willing to take my family and that my father, who's got a thick accent, can still watch the Lions game and still gets treated great in this country and doesn't face discrimination under the law, doesn't face prejudice, isn't mistreated.

54:07People like us have been totally incorporated into America. And we love that. And we're really grateful to the people who made up this country for that. Why is that crazy to say? Real people made the country. You can pretend that it was just a notion or it was just an idea. Nope. It was people who lived and breathed with organs and thoughts and dreams and goals. They were made of matter and particles. Like they were real. They existed. They built the country that's here for you and your dad to come here. How about a little bit of gratitude rather than saying they never existed? They were just a notion.

54:41And in fact, the thing we're talking about America, that is my dad watching the Lions game. That is wrong and not true. And I'm sorry, but like if everything fell apart for me and and me and my family had to go to Japan and they would have us there, I'd have gratitude to the people who built that society. I'd appreciate them. I'd learn their language and I'd adjust to their customs. And I wouldn't say that me having broken Japanese is every bit as Japanese as you speaking it fluently. That to me just seems like an incredible, it's like being incredibly rude to a house guest is like the, you know, you got invited over and then we're very rude to them.

55:23I just don't, I don't appreciate that. All right. Do you want to do, we got a little bit of time. You want to do his Medicare take, Rob? You might enjoy this one because you did, you had that prediction earlier. So let's see. I saw the video. All right. Here, let's go to El Saeed and his, he's got some really creative new ideas about universal healthcare and how we get there. Let's see.

55:56the nature of the debate has changed so much because the nature of private health insurance has become so porous and so frustrating for so many. If we can't, then the steps, even if you were to say we passed Medicare for all in January of 2029, where would we go from here? Well, the steps would kind of be the same because there's no light switch in the White House that turns on Medicare for all. So you would make Medicare whole because right now Medicare is extremely porous. You talk to seniors and they're like, well, there's all these different parts and it doesn't cover vision, dental and hearing.

56:31And a lot of them are in Medicare Advantage plans. And that whole situation. Which are these private plans and they like them. I mean, that would be hard to take away. I mean, the whole gambit on Medicare Advantage is we give you some things on the front. So we lobby to keep Medicare porous. So then we can offer you quote unquote advantages like vision, dental and hearing, which normal Medicare doesn't offer. so you'd you'd basically show up all the parts you would include a full robust uh part d you would have vision dental and hearing it would go to zero copay deductible premium done at this point if you offered that as traditional medicare just pause it okay so just to be clear rob all he said so far is give them more it's literally all he said it's it's like this ridiculous language to just say like it's very porous we're gonna make it not as porous so more coverage okay so more benefits okay like this again i just don't it's even in a conversation just amongst two lefties you just don't even see how crazy i just want to um look this up real quick here is how okay according hold on according to the ai on google whatever that is rob i don't know if that's not the best one but uh okay so uh i was just looking up the unfunded liabilities that currently exist in medicare um they came up with 60 trillion that's the number that they're giving me i'm not going to die on the hill of whether that number is exactly right and if you want to go research that or whatever.

58:11But the number they came up with was$6 trillion, way bigger than the national debt, which sits at a measly$40 trillion. There's$60 trillion of commitments that we've already made. Essentially, what unfunded liabilities mean, Rob, is how would you say it? It's a commitment that we don't have the money for. We've said we're going to do it, but we don't have the money for it. You owe the money that hasn't been funded yet. In other words, we've promised all these people, once you get 65, you get this amount of coverage. But we've already promised$60 trillion worth that we don't have. We don't know how we're going to come up with that.

58:48Here's their answer. Have it cover everything. Up that number way up. Vision, dental, more, more, more, less porous, more coverage. Like, oh, well, geez, I don't realize why anyone ever thought of that. And that would cover everything. This is his collective American identity, is that everything should be socialized and provided to you by the state. Well, we don't have any economic identity at all, I suppose, right? Like there's nothing to, America is no more capitalist or communist. There's not, we don't even associate it with one of those because that, I guess, would be a different identity other than just the national one.

59:29um but okay so yeah so this is this is the plan that you've come up with we're in a nation in a debt spiral let's add a whole lot more to it here let's keep playing more details but he would jump from advantage would turn your head that's number one then you start extending it to more yeah did you get his point there that would take advantage of more free no no no he's saying No, no, no. That's not what he's saying. I mean, that is what he's saying, but that's not what he means. He's saying advantage the private supplemental insurance. So they're going, hey, there's all these people who really love their private insurance because they have this insurance and they don't want that to be outlawed.

1:00:11And that's what you're going to do is you're going to outlaw that. So how do you get away? Because this is, Rob, you know, this is the big, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your healthcare, you can keep your healthcare. This is the thing that actually makes, they pretend universal healthcare is popular because when you say, do you like Medicare for all? People say yes, most of the time. But as soon as you go, do you support Medicare for all? If we have to eliminate all private healthcare, meaning you lose your healthcare, then it becomes unpopular, but it doesn't work unless you eliminate all private healthcare.

1:00:39How can you have private healthcare if you're going to do a universal healthcare system? Right? So they have to eliminate it. So, so the question there is, oh, what do you do about this? So his answer is we just give you so many benefits that everyone wants the benefits that the government program gives you. Wow. Rocket scientists. Thank God our Americanism was so open to incorporate these Egyptian geniuses in that we could never have figured this out. They have the government give so much welfare that nobody else even wants the other option. Has that ever worked out, by the way? Has anyone ever, have rich people ever wanted the government option ever, anywhere, ever of anything?

1:01:13All those billionaires who love sending, but that's what he's got. Spend more. Here, let's play the very end. At this point, if you offer that as traditional Medicare, the speed with which everybody would jump from advantage would turn your head. That's number one. Then you start extending it to more people. I think kids are obvious, right? Thank God. But wait, there's more. More welfare. More coverage. More stuff. tough here's the how do you solve the problem of 60 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities rob you make it 80 trillion well then you might ask how do you solve that problem you make it 100 trillion you just keep promising more services that we know we can't possibly pay for is actually the answer here and this is supposed to be taken seriously sure sounds like a democratic socialist to me yeah really what is the mean what by the way it is a fair question rob like what is the meaningful difference because they never define what any of this means um all right here i'm sorry is there a little bit more he's good because now we bring it to kids too uncommonly healthy and if they're not healthy they're very sick and so extending it to children is obvious extending it downward, right?

1:02:38From 65 eligibility age to 60 and then down into the 50s, 40s. That's kind of what needs to happen, right? All of that articulates better Medicare for more people. What I'm articulating is great Medicare for everyone.

1:02:57Yeah, okay. So again, just until you got to get into any of this, is the one question that destroys all of this. How are you going to pay for any of it? Like there's no, again, it's, I don't know how to express how, how, uh, juvenile, how, how infantile any of this is, Rob. Just go like, we, we have a piece of property, let's say, and we're just discussing building projects and you go, all right, I'm thinking like, uh, you know, whatever, 2 ,500 square foot house right here, blah, blah, blah. And I go palace, let's do a palace. And you go, oh, we don't have money for that. We only have money for that.

1:03:33How are you going to do that? Bigger palace on top of the palace, flying palace on top of that. Like, what does any of this mean? How are you going to pay for any of this? Listen, OK, Medicare currently covers everybody 65 and up in America, right? And you have to pay taxes for Medicare every week. How much higher up do those taxes have to go to cover everybody 40 and up and all children? Give me a number. What's your figure here? Oh, you know what their figure is here, Rob? They just don't even pretend to have one. They just don't even discuss it. Doesn't even come up like it's an issue. Why?

1:04:11Why would this be better? Rob, by their own logic, why wouldn't it just be better for me to just say, no, right now, Medicare for everybody? What do you mean lower it to 50? Lower it to zero. Zero through 1 ,000. Medicare, why would you not do that? This is, I don't even understand why his pitch here is we should do it just because what? We can sucker people into it slower. This is, I'm sorry, man. But this type of like economic, uh, uh, economic ignorance mixed with like just hatred of America is not for me. I'm out. Anyway, anything else, Rob? Remind people where the shows are. Uh, check out the run your mouth podcast.

1:04:50And of course, uh, porch tours coming up in Salt Lake city and around the Texas area. Go to porch store.com. After that, I got a Midwest run Chicago and a bunch of places. Go check it out. Hell yeah. Salt Lake city and Vegas. We'll see you this weekend. Catch there. Peace.

1:05:15We'll see you next time.