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30:02And so Donald Trump. So anyway, I guess my point is just that the Overton window has moved so far that even the establishment Democrat, you know, it doesn't get any more establishment Democrat than Hillary Clinton. even their official talking point for criticizing Donald Trump now is that, look, we all know you have to tell the Israelis no. We all know. We all know that this country is trying to get us in wars all the time, and you got to only do some other wars. You can't do all of them. It's just that is, again, this is the type of thing that just five years ago, five years ago, if you had said something like that, you'd be like, oh, what there's like, who said that Nick Fuentes on his show?

30:54You're like, oh, Hillary Rodham Clinton. That's who said that, you know, like, it's just so it's just so been accepted at this point. And really with this war, I mean, I thought with the 12 day war, but with this one, I think the mask has just really been blown off. Like it's just everybody knows this to the point that Trump has to address it. He has to say, no, no, it had nothing to do with them, you know, like, but, but everyone, everyone acknowledges that is, that is almost the starting point of what the conversation's about now, which is just really wild, really wild to say. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is cowboy colostrum this spring.

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33:06I'm disgusted, but I'm also fascinated by the people trying to find a way to defend Donald Trump. on this one, you know, and that's what Dinesh D'Souza is tasked with doing here. But man, his defense, I just couldn't even believe it was this naked. Why don't we play that, the Dinesh D'Souza clip, and then we can give our thoughts. Epstein files, about the Epstein files, about the Epstein files. And I'm going to make the case that even though there are unanswered questions about Epstein, it is in fact time to move on. Part of being on a political team is maintaining a certain amount of maturity, recognizing you can't win them all, recognizing there are some things that are important to you that are less important to the guy that you've put in charge who is trying to focus on things right in front of him.

34:02And so having a sense of perspective, having a sense of balance, having a sense of maturity, I think is more important even than getting to the bottom of what really happened with Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, my God. I mean, there's so much I have to say about this that I don't even know what order to go in. Here, you start, Rob. You start, and I'll collect my thoughts as you go. Got to be on the team, bro. Yeah, that's my big takeaway is that to some people, the team sports of this is just more important than having values. And so his pitches, yeah, listen, there are unanswered questions as to pedophile networks and whether or not there's political blackmail and whether or not our entire system is fraudulent and whether or not there's no system of justice in America, that there's an elite class that can get away with horrific crimes that none of us would agree to.

35:02but team sports of politics is more important and if you're going to play for the republican party and your president wants to brush this under the rug and let all these people get away with this and not actually investigate it it's important for you to get in line with the team sports of this and that's supposed to be our democracy is that there's not a lot of choice of who we get to choose for president and even if they lie to us about what their agenda is and what they're going to do once they're in there you have to get on board with the team and not criticize and not push for important causes, even if the cause is as important as holding pedophiles to justice.

35:34Team sports is the higher value. Yeah. You know, and that's right. And again, I'm trying because, you know, it's interesting the way you're immature. Right. Right. Right. The way I was literally what I was going to say, the way he the way he he phrases this or the way he casts this is like, look, this is the maturity that you have to have in politics. And like, OK, granted, like, look, there is something to the broadly speaking, his point that if you're going to put a political coalition together, uh, okay. Uh, not everybody's going to get what they want all the time. You got like, this is the way real politics works is you got to sacrifice some things for some other things.

36:17And then hopefully you can keep being a winning coalition and get some more that you're not going to get everything, but you get some of the things you want. Like, all right, there's, there's like Like in a vacuum, there's some truth to that argument. But then again, it also can't be really important things that you sacrifice because then, you know, you're in the business of doing really evil things. And, you know, like, so, okay, yeah, there is some maturity in that in theory, but then there's also some maturity in recognizing that once you accept this worldview, once you accept Dinesh's mature framework, you've really kind of handed the keys over to evil big government institutions in a way that they can never possibly be hoped to be reined in.

37:03because, Rob, how easy is it to rig that game now? So all I got to do is make sure the Democrats are a little bit worse and then you'll support the Republicans no matter what, no matter what they do. You know, in this instance, it's like what we're talking about. You might notice, Dinesh, this is why it's so pathetic. It almost hurts me as a man. It hurts me as someone who has some respect for Dinesh D'Souza to see this because he can't even pretend to defend the actual policy, right? He goes, yeah, that sucks. Like, sucks that we're not getting the rest of the Epstein files. That is bullshit, you know?

37:44But anyway, we got to support him because you're on the team. So he's not even defending the thing. He's telling you, you got to swallow some bullshit. So, like, he's saying it's bullshit. He's not saying this is, you're wrong to think there's anything there. He's not saying it's a Democratic hoax or whatever, like the president is saying. But if you just think about like, so what is it that we're talking about with the Epstein files? And what we're talking about at this point is a blatant illegal cover up. Like it's just known that there's three million more documents that they're not going to give to us.

38:21And the ones that they did give to us were heavily redacted. And in fact, as we know, that even the redactions were redacted in the unredacted version that only congressmen were allowed to say. Even those were still redacted. And so you're talking about an active giant government cover up of a case that involved sex trafficking and intelligence agencies and international diplomacy at the very highest levels. And there is something about anyone in the world of talking about politics not being opposed to that cover-up is just really wild or excusing the cover-up away. Because, like, don't you want to know?

39:21Isn't that the essence of this whole thing? like this entire podcast, our entire interest in any of these topics, the reason why you ever read a book about economics or a book about history in your life, Rob, is because like, you want to know. Like on some level, you want to know, right? Like what it's the reason we do philosophy. It's the reason human beings engage in philosophy at all is because like, we want to figure this out. Now we know we're never going to figure everything out, But like, damn, I want to figure out as much as I can while we're here. Like, don't you just want to know? Don't you just want to know why they really framed Nixon in Watergate?

40:03Like, I think I kind of know a little bit, but like, I don't really know. And man, I would love to really know. You just want. And so you're like, Dinesh D'Souza, you've been writing about and talking about and thinking about politics for 40 years. Like my entire life. In fact, I think when we debated, we talked about this. Like he graduated from, or he joined Conservatism Inc. the year I was born. Like it was like he got his first thing in that. Like my entire life, Dinesh's been, and you're not just like, yo, with these Epstein files, you just got a glimpse into a world that you had never gotten to see before.

40:39You, Dinesh D'Souza, got to see how these things actually, that you talk about for a living. Like you got, it's like, oh, okay. I don't know. All of us who talk about all this stuff for a living, were we ever really accounting for the fact that the Rothschilds representative was also a sex trafficker who partied with all these powerful men and then did networked deals like that and connected the head of Israeli intelligence to the Palantir guys. And you know what I mean? Like, okay, sweet. And what you're saying, you don't want to know more of that? Well, then what are we doing here, sir? What is the point of any of us being in this business?

41:16I don't know. Well, it's to pitch the Donald Trump regime. This is no different than what we heard from Steven Crowder last week. I think we played the clip on the show. I'm not sure if that was members only, but it was supporting the Republican Party is so valuable because the Democrats are evil and there's a socialist agenda. So even if there's a war that you don't like, you still have to support Donald Trump. And here it's even if he's covering up for the Epstein, you still got to support Donald Trump because to these guys, they just need to come up with some excuse for why you all got to fall in line and, you know, believe in the plan.

41:48and the Donald Trump almighty. Dude, the crazy thing about it, and I would argue that we are not the ones who are aiding and abetting the radical Democrats. We would argue that, no, we're the ones who really still oppose them and don't want to see them back in power, and that's maybe not half, but a third of the reason why we oppose all this stuff is because it's going to give power right back over to them. But there is, you know, it's funny because if you were doing like your worst, you know, not your, like if you were doing the best job of like fear mongering people about the Democrats and how big of a threat they are, right?

42:36Like if you were doing that one year, two years ago, if you remember, Rob, from almost every Trump supporter to every Trump supporting talking head or whatever, what would the fear of the radical left Nancy Pelosi Democrats getting into power? What was the fear of it? It was always they were going to take us to war. This is always what they said. They're going to get us involved in a stupid war. And then the other stuff, like, I mean, there was immigration, which is a legit one. and then but there was always all the stuff with like the kids protect the kids you know you got to worry about trans and the kids we had in the name of protecting the kids from pedophiles we have to cover up the Jeffrey Epstein case like what wait huh I mean look you know again what Dinesh D'Souza is talking about look a lot of it is the reality of living in this kind of ridiculous two-party system.

43:37But I think part of the reason why this is failing, like the people trying to defend Donald Trump right now is failing, is that again, it's just, you know, Dinesh, and I think I tried to explain this to him in a way when we debated, that Dinesh is just very much a product of his time. It's not a personal shot at him. We're all a product of our time. Dinesh is just of a certain age from a certain time. And people at that age don't it's almost impossible for them to, like, really readjust and reimagine themselves and not be locked into the perspective of that time. But this argument is an argument out of the 1980s.

44:25You know, yeah, you don't like this one little thing, but we're the Republicans and we got to beat the Democrats. And I think there is something a bit more compelling about this political argument in good times. you know if you're if you're making this argument while the economy is booming and your kids are watching hulk holgan wrestling and you and your wife just bought a summer house and you know like things are going good it's like well look we're not going to get everything we want to get a little bit more you know we want it to get a little bit better so let's go with a little bit better or something like that but you know when your country's spiraling out of control and you know you're you know it's it's not like your kids are watching you know hulkamania or something like that it's like oh no well actually one of my kids is uh he's uh just overdosed from opioids uh last week that's been real hard on the family and then my other kids really good he works really hard he can't afford a house he still lives with us he's 38 um he's uh you know what i'm saying and it's just like yeah we're 40 trillion dollars in debt like we just have so many problems and you're like, you're going to spin me on this.

45:37Well, we got to keep supporting the Republicans, even if they betray all of their like foundational campaign promises. I think it's just we're much more at a time at a moment where the feeling is obviously no, because that's doom. Then then we just concede this whole thing. And then so, no, I'm sorry. We can't move on from the Jeffrey Epstein thing. That's just like one of those things that like, essentially, we will never move on from that. That's always baked into the political class and how we feel about them until it's not until they release all the files unredacted until until they get to the bottom of this.

46:20Then why why would any self-respecting American citizen move on from it? It might be It's an active, an active criminal cover up is still going on right now. And it's one of our best opportunities to actually clean up the government that the general population is aware. Oh, are there criminal or, you know, private interests that are actually running our government? And that would have been purely conspiracy theory even a year or two ago. And now the general mainstream public is opens the idea and there's a demand to fix it. And now what you want it to continue just to have a DC criminal enterprise where, you know, specific individuals with money are able to run the show.

46:58And this is coming from the guy who is debate with you as an age. Well, because he's of the opinion that you can have casual relationships with war without them turning into full out wars and that we could just do targeted strikes and kick people's ass and get out of there. And, hey, no concerns. This is this is a new and smarter government run by Donald Trump. and he knows how to conduct warfare without them becoming ongoing escalations. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. Hexclad has changed my household. We've leveled up our kitchen game with this stuff.

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48:46But like, that's not saying much. But, you know, like, but Dinesh is one of the guys I always liked the most out of that group. I also think part of that is that Dinesh's focus wasn't really foreign policy. He was much more like, he was just a guy who was much more focused on like domestic cultural issues and domestic political issues. And he's really good on some of those, you know? And he did have, okay, I don't think he was ever like an Austrian, but he had like certainly some like Chicago school influence on him. Like he's definitely read a few Thomas Sowell books and Milton Friedman books in his day.

49:30And he was always kind of culturally conservative and in many ways that aged well and was correct at the time. but he did always go along with the foreign policy. He always went along with it. He always supported it, and he would write about it occasionally. And it's not just for guys like him. There's just so many. I mean, I've been saying this over the years so many times. This has been a point that I've made since I've been podcasting, because the point has always, to me, just been very valid, but it's just with each subsequent war, the same point becomes stronger and stronger and stronger.

50:10But when you sit there and you watch these people, you know, there's this whole kind of like political pundit class where there are, it's a whole industry. It's a very lucrative industry for the people at the top of it. It's very competitive and hard to get to the top, but people make a lot of money off of talking about politics. And there's, so within that, world, there are the Hawks. And they have, many of them have been writing and doing shows and stuff for decades. And so you got all these people who have a track record of like, they cheerled the war in Iraq, they cheerled the war in Afghanistan, you know, they supported toppling Gaddafi in Libya or toppling Assad in Syria, and they supported backing the Saudis in Yemen, and they supported backing Zelensky in Ukraine, and they supported backing Israel in Gaza.

51:05And then you zoom out and you're like, every last one of these things was just everything I just named was a just pure human catastrophe. There's really no argument in hindsight. And then they still find themselves supporting the next one with certainty, demonizing the people who are against the wars. It's truly a fascinating thing to observe, like the nerve of you, you know, and even half of them will admit that they got all the other ones wrong. You know? But they're still advocating. And I just wonder, because I try to imagine, and with Dinesh D'Souza particularly, I try to imagine, like, there's people like, I don't, look, I could be wrong.

51:47I don't have a magic insight into anyone's heart and mind. But I just, I don't believe Ben Shapiro. I don't believe Douglas Murray. I don't think they really believe the things they're saying. I think they will lie to your face. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think they are, These are people who are lying on behalf of an agenda, which is not this country, by the way. But with Dinesh, I kind of imagine that he's a sincere guy. Maybe I've got this wrong. Maybe I got it wrong about those guys. Maybe I got it wrong about Dinesh. I don't know. That's just the vibe I get. But so you just wonder, imagining in the world where Dinesh is a good faith actor, assuming I'm right about that, you imagine like – so you're like, look, dude, I know the last seven wars.

52:32I supported we're all disasters. But let me tell you something. Different guy, different country. We're cooking this time. This time it's going to really work out. And then just as you spend eight weeks watching it become a complete disaster again, is there no part of you? Like, is there no part of you that goes like, ah, shit. Like, damn, I got it wrong again. Fuck, I'm going to have to be apologizing for this in a decade. like is there no and and it's just it's fascinating to me to see the absence of that like i would if they weren't all just liars wouldn't we expect to be seeing more of them just like defect and go all right you know what actually i was wrong i was wrong about this we're going over here now you think it would but it has it seems to have almost no impact on anyone it's very strange to me rob i don't know what do you think well i guess the current climate has really shown uh who some of the slightly more honest voices are that like uh even an alex jones who was trying to defend donald trump for the full first year uh finally folded on the iran war um and uh kind of copped to the fact that he was holding out i think hope was his way of saying that he was uh still pitching the regime the whole way uh but you know i think anyone that's still just absolutely uh still a trump loyalist has displayed that they have zero honesty or credibility.

53:57Yeah. You know, as somebody, I mean, I must be, and this is something that the MAGA people, you know, hit me for, but I don't really care. But it's true. I'm probably the furthest thing from a Trump loyalist who ever voted for Trump. I was like one of his sharpest critics in this first term. And I got to say, I mean, I don't know if someone wants to put up an argument, but I think I was right about every single criticism I had back then. And I think I was right and the stuff I defended him on back then um but of the you know things changed and my audience grew over the years and like of the people who supported Donald Trump in 24 I think I don't know I don't know maybe I'm wrong about this Rob but I think I was one of the first like and hardest the factors defectors sorry from you know like I came out since last summer I've been on he should be impeached and removed and he you know I apologize for voting for him has been my position since then and I got to say it was a little bit I remember when I first did it.

55:14And I, I, I actually, I, me and you have talked about this off air. I don't think I ever shared this information on air, but I did, I told, so I was going on breaking points. And it was right after he had launched the 12 day war. I can't remember exactly where we were into it. It might've even been before we dropped the bunker busters, but it was when he had backed Israel launching the war. And so, and I went and I, I knew like, it was like two days before I had booked breaking points in the morning and then they had launched the war and so i knew i was going to go really hard again so i texted both uh tucker and rogan just to like give them a heads up like i wasn't asking i was just letting them know you know what i mean but i was just like i wanted to like tell them and kind of gauge their reaction but i was like you know i'm wiping my hands of this whole thing and i'm going as hard as i can against this administration now you know and um like but i think both of them were like just fine with it they didn't have a problem you know it was like they understood where i was coming from and they know what i'm about and they knew that this was my red line so yeah i'm not going to support launching wars of choice on behalf of foreign countries now because the orange guy does it um even if we all did vote for him this time i'm still me and so anyway i was just thinking about that i haven't actually thought about this at all this is all just like thinking out loud but like there was something about like It was a weird feeling where it was kind of like me and a bunch of my friends, we all did a thing together.

56:43We were all like, hey, we're supporting Trump this time. And then I was the first one, like it felt like to be like, no, I'm going over here. And then there was just this weird in-between time where like I think as far as the issues go, there's no question that, look, Tucker or Alex Jones or Candace Owens or any of these guys, they would have agreed with me at the time. They would have all been against the 12-day war, I'm sure. But, like, none of them were ready to go, like, but fuck Donald Trump and this entire administration. And they're all, and we view them as criminals just like we did the Joe Biden administration, you know?

57:21And then I got to say, in a weird way, there's some social psychology to this. But it's just been nice seeing so many of my friends join me on the island over here. You know, you're like, oh, okay, come on. Welcome back, guys. What's going on? Let's do a new thing here. but it is amazing at this point I haven't watched the whole episode yet but I was just watching a little bit of Buckley and Tucker sitting down Buckley's Tucker's brother who's a legendary Twitter follow by the way just excellent but he's great and they're already talking like you know I haven't seen the whole thing yet but they're already like the conversation is over like man how much blood is on our hands.

58:07They're almost having the conversation of they're like, Jesus, man, when we meet our maker, we are going to have to explain that we openly supported Donald Trump in 2024. And it's just like, it's just crazy that it's gone this far. And I've never, again, I know we've made this point before, I have never witnessed anything like it in my lifetime. And I've been paying attention to politics for a couple decades now, and I've been alive for for a couple more than that and there's just never been anything rob you could not find a comparison you name me the american president who all of his or or not all let's i don't want to be hyperbolic but literally an american president who so many of his most influential supporters have turned on him in a little over a year.

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1:01:00The worst thing about all of this is their addiction to a conspiratorial framing of everything. If you can extract any lesson from what's happened to our politics in the last decade and the role that people like Rogan have played in the unraveling of everything and the way in which social media has weaponized all this and the rise of people like Tucker and Candace and Nick Fuentes and the fact that we've got Trump a second time around. And central to all of it is this addiction to conspiracy thinking and contrarianism and just this, you know, what I've called the pornography of doubt. Right. And Joe has been as addicted as anyone and has brought it to scale perhaps more than anyone.

1:01:53It's totally unprincipled. It is genuinely confusing to millions of people. I mean, you got young people getting raised on a diet of this bullshit. It's divisive. It amplifies the worst in us. What I'm talking about is a species of evil, right? Given its consequences, it's a species of evil, right? It is like at the top of the list of what ails us in our society. It is the thing that is preventing us from solving real problems in this world. There's no question it is getting people killed and will continue to get people killed. It is absolutely toxic. And yet many of the people participating in this are just good guys who are just having fun and who are just entertaining.

1:02:33They think there's no stakes. They're just like athletes, right? They're just having fun. There's plenty of game. Joe's just plenty of game. People like Joe and Elon and, you know, people who have audiences in the tens and even hundreds of millions have a real responsibility to get their heads out of their asses. So it is unbelievable, right, that you just have this guy, Sam Harris. He's just still out doing this after like getting so many of the most important issues wrong. It's still just and look again, as I say, with a lot of these guys, that's what there's kind of like a class of guys. And when I say I would put, I don't know, like Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Gad said, what's his name?

1:03:25All right. Lindsay, James Lindsay. There's like a few of these guys, right, who essentially their mission in life, you know, as much as, you know, like whatever, like our the mission of this show for, say, like the last month has been to call out what bullshit this war in Iran is right or the last two months. right there's no denying that that's been the focus of the show we've been covering this most of the time and talking about how their number one thing their driver their calling in life is to call out the podcasters um you know like to call it and and they also refuse to ever engage in a debate or a discussion with any of them like the this group of people that is their thing.

1:04:06And they just, all they've got is just going around acting as if it's a conclusion that they've won the argument, that they're right and the other side is wrong, and then just discussing the aftermath of it. As their audience and influence dwindles and all the people that they call out all the time who are still willing to have conversations and debates and all of this stuff, as all of them grow to levels higher than they've ever been, they sit here and go, you're all just spreading misinformation and we're unwilling to come correct it to your face because obviously this stuff, Rob, relies on totally strawmanning the other person's point of view at all.

1:04:45Rogan and Theo Vaughn or whatever, they just think there are no stakes. Theo's like crying about a genocide on his podcast. He's not saying there are no mistakes here. He's saying the stakes are as high as they could possibly be. But could you imagine, Rob, I mean, this is what I always, I don't know. And maybe it's, I think about this about me because I, you know, I experience life from behind my eyeballs. And I always think like when I see these guys who all of them have called me at talk a lot of shit about me personally, um, and, and personally, not things about what issues I get wrong, but personal shots at me.

1:05:27And they all refuse, uh, to step up and come do a show or have a conversation, make those arguments to my face, and let's see the counter arguments to it. And then you see what they do. And I'm like, I don't know. I just, so my first reaction when I saw this clip and you sent it to me this morning, was I see Sam Harris goes, look, I mean, like what they're doing is evil. And you know, it's evil because of what it results in. It results in people dying. And the first thought I had was just like, oh yeah, oh yeah, you definitely shouldn't debate me. you definitely shouldn't bring that to me imagine bringing that to me as that's your standard the standard here is like if the policy you're advocating for gets enacted and then people die as a result of it that's evil hmm okay so why are we even talking about joe rogan then if that's the standard wouldn't we be focusing on everyone who supported this war there's real people dying as a result of that.

1:06:27No question. But anyway, I don't know, Rob, what can you say? It's more, it's like COVID nonsense. Just say misinformation. The pitch is we need full of doc indoctrination and loyalty to the elitist class that I've anointed myself to be a part of. And any questioning of what we dictate to you is dangerous. And by the way, I'm going to pitch for experimental vaccines and more wars and no religion, but for some reason, a support of Israel, which does not align with any of my other general theories. And everyone's got to be fully indoctrinated in line and respect the fact that I am the intellectual is supposed to lord above you.

1:07:05Yeah. No, that's Sam Harris. There is no such thing as God, but he did give the land to Netanyahu. That's the Sam Harris view. No. So by the way, I saw this and we wrap on this because I got to go. I actually got to go record the Tom Wood show. But so I saw this clip, which I think I had missed somehow. I just hadn't seen this, but it was Attica Sparrow on the Young Turks. They did a segment about Sam Harris, and they pulled out a clip of Sam Harris reacting to my debate with Douglas Murray from last April. And so, okay, so this is like a year ago. And, you know, I thought in my mind, I thought I had actually, I had seen Sam Harris react to it.

1:07:53And I think I had said something like maybe we covered it on one of the shows or something like that but i don't think i had ever seen this clip but so he's saying maybe we did maybe i'm just forgetting maybe we covered this and you'll remember it but he's saying she plays this clip so he's going he's going look like douglas murray did phenomenal in that debate like he was just he was so spot on he did a better job than i could have done like douglas murray just killed it and then he goes he goes and i go i'm looking through the comment section and these were his words he goes at 100 of them were on dave's side and he's literally just saying this like essentially going like so that's why it's pointless for me to even go on rogan right because like 100 of them will be against me anyway even though i'm so obviously right and there is just something wild about like how elitist how allergic to accountability that mind state is.

1:08:49But he goes, look, Douglas Murray did amazing in this debate and no one sees it. No one. Zero percent of the comments are agreeing with me. And then you actually look at what he did and you're like, wait, but where's the part where he like tore apart my argument? No, he didn't. He just said, you're not an expert. You've never been. He just tried to obfuscate. But it's like, that's all Sam Harris wants to do, too. In all of these clips, like the thing I've said before about him that I just could not imagine. He's done like five different segments on me, not one of them has taken on an argument.

1:09:21So here's the thing, Sam. If our arguments are so bad and your arguments are so superior, then you need to make them. This isn't rocket science. Then you need to have the balls to address. I'll say this. These guys, all of them, the guys we just talked about, who refuse to debate. So this is a thing that we'll do all the time, Rob, right? You've seen me do this, I don't know, several dozen times. We'll respond to a video. We'll respond to a thing people do. We'll go point by point. You know what I mean? Like rebut the thing. And then at the end, I'd be like, hey, look, if you want to debate this, I'm happy to do it, right?

1:10:01These guys won't even do the first part. Like, forget it. You won't go on Rogan. You won't come on my show. You won't go on this. Respond to one of the segments, not shit you made up or just the way you cast them and then say it's all misinformation, not just like one little factoid that they got wrong here or there, but like take a five minute segment of one of us making our case against this war and then go through it and point out all the misinformation. Like they don't even offer you that here. Guys, that's why 100 % of the room was shitting on Douglas Murray because he wasn't making arguments.

1:10:41It's wild to watch them all go down. The argument people all go down in flames because they're allergic to making arguments. All right. We got to we got a wrap on that. I'm sorry, Rob. Go ahead real quick. Yeah, I'm taking submissions for porches at the fire ticks dot com T I X dot com. If you got a porch for me, lawn, you can fill out the form over there. Going to start lining stuff up. uh, confirm the first gig, which is going to be out at, uh, Grove 34 in Astoria. It's in May. You can find that date at Robert and commie.com. And then of course, check out the run your mouth podcast. And I got some new sketches coming out.

1:11:13So go check out my channel. Hell yeah. All right. See you guys tomorrow. Peace.