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34:14And this is what's crazy to me because Andrew Wilson is not bad at debating. He's excellent at debating. But anyway, this guy was a bad standup comedian. And I don't know if you ever heard the old thing. It's like an old comedian thing. I've never done this. I've never actually seen anyone else do this, but it's a thing where there was a thing where a comedian would go, oh, you think might like you get a heckler and you go, oh, you think my job's so easy? Why don't you try it? Why don't you get up here? And they get, bring them up and give them the microphone. And the idea is that like standup comedy is hard.

34:39So they're probably not going to do very good at it. And then you show what, you know, you take it back, get out of here, buddy. You know what? Now this kid, I saw that this is like 15 years ago. He's bombing, bombing in the show and starts getting heckled. And then he tries to do that. He tries to give the guy the microphone and go, oh yeah, you think my job's And I remember when I first thought saw that being like, wow, talk about not getting comedy. Like, just talk about your instincts being so bad, because, dude, obviously, Rob, that move is supposed to that works when you're killing with the crowd.

35:11The crowd loves you. One guy's heckling you and you go, come on, dude. Now he's got the whole crowd against him. He'd fuck it. They already like you. And what are the odds when you're already killing that he's going to come out with something that kills? but but when you're bombing the whole time and then you hand it over to this guy all he's got to do is say one mildly funny thing and then he devastates you you know like what are you doing and in the same i couldn't so in this moment andrew decides to put it in on name all seven because i'm going to prove that you don't know what you're talking about already though rob starting from a starting point of as you said he doesn't hold the same standards to himself He didn't know one, but now she's got to name seven.

35:56It already doesn't make sense that he's expecting her to have such a higher burden. But Rob, I mean, I guess my point is, dude, you're in the biggest debate of your life. This is millions of people watching. It's a huge thing. And you just challenged, like, aren't you a little bit concerned with the off chance that maybe Candace knows the charges? I mean, whether you think her theories are off or not, she's clearly been living and breathing this case for a year. so i like to put all of this thing and i'm sorry but when you do that when you when you stop a debate to go i'm gonna demonstrate that you don't know shit you can't name the seven things and then they do you were trying to make them look terrible and ruin them and so all of that has to be put back on you now now you now you just look terrible for attempting this smear job and failing at it you were not sure whether he was charged with murder and she goes on to list all of them and not only does she list them all but she calls him out on his tactic the whole i mean look let's keep playing this this just gets worse and worse let's keep playing and and and i can you name all seven i i can't do it sure you don't have to do it no do it i'll count them go ahead you don't have to put your fingers up okay i'll name them yeah sure name them uh the first charge is aggravated murder because that's what carries a death sentence.

37:21So murder? No, that's not. That is literally not murder. Okay. And so just for people, no, don't, I don't have to do it in a time limit. There's nothing going on. And just to explain to people the difference of why that really matters and shows that he doesn't actually care about this at all is because aggravated murder, it's narrowly defined and because it carries a death sentence. I'm not, I'm going to answer the question. Okay, I'm waiting. You're just going to recognize that your strategy of thinking that people are intimidated when you try to put a time constraint doesn't work and you'll be better the next time you debate someone.

37:45I got it, I got it. Give me the other ones. the more you cut me off, the longer I'll take. Do you want to just wait for me to finish of why that's a big difference? So that people don't walk away. No, I just want you to list the charges. Yeah, I'm going to do that. You just don't get to pretend that there's a time constraint for me to do that. Well, how long does it take you to list seven charges? Because I'm speaking, you just got to - It sounds like you're just delaying it because you don't know them. I know all seven of them. And I'm going to say again, because you're going to get embarrassed.

38:07You don't have to rush this. I'm also showing an example of a very flawed debate strategy. I actually want to know time constraint. I got one. Great. The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon. The next two charges are for obstruction of justice. Okay. The next two charges are for witness tampering. And what's the specific charges, though? That is them. Obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, witness tampering. Okay. And there's no other specifics to them. Well, I can tell you why he's being charged with it. No, no, no. Just the charges and then seven? Yeah.

38:41See, the bad thing is when you try to be an a-hole and it doesn't work. What's the seventh? the last charge is uh violent in front of a minor okay got it so then he's being charged with murder you just say aggravated murder that's the distinction you just want to it's a massive we're just supposed to pretend that she didn't just rattle off all seven now we just move it's like i that's the tactic that just i'm sorry dude when that backfires it'll lose you a debate because you're trying and then you just we're just to pretend that like because otherwise dude like the whole debate can just be you quizzing and if they get everything right then what it's a tie it's like no you stop the record to when you do that in a debate you're stopping the record to pause to go no no no my opponent's a fraud this whole thing is bullshit it's a move when that doesn't work it reflects poorly on you and she named all the charges dude i mean i don't know i don't know how anybody um can can look at this and not think that like yeah that's a bad moment in a debate.

39:43I'm sorry. It's just cope to say it's not. So I just you know, I cringe re-watching this. I find it just overwhelmingly exhausting to watch someone play a confidence game of what I will call controlling the call and just very arrogantly pretending like they're still in control and then constantly pivoting. It's just not an honest pursuit towards truth. It's sportsmanship of debate and I don't appreciate this rare art form. And so to me, this is just gross and exhausting. And showcases that even in other times where people don't realize that's what's happening, this is the way he's engaging with you.

40:25It's not a conversation I could even partake in because I couldn't sit there as calmly as Candace in these kind of environments. I will never debate, not that it's offered, I couldn't sit there and engage in that conversation. It would just be too annoying to me. But it's just dishonest. And it's showing his hand of that. This is sportsmanship and it's dishonest. Well, I mean, it's then I mean, whatever. We don't have to play anymore. But then he accuses her of getting the information fed to her from the phone. And so she passes her phone off to Patrick, David. And I'm just saying it's like, dude, when you again, you you paid her 300 grand.

41:06You know, she's seven months pregnant. You come in with this written, you know, like prepared thing. You got all these clips prepared that you're going to go after her on and all of this. But then you're going after this stuff and just missing these like wild swings and just missing. This just doesn't this is precious time that you were supposed to be using, like eviscerating her claims. And I also got to say, you know, and sometimes these things are, you know, as you know, Rob, like you've done a lot of like live shows and like Rob will do like on the porch tour sometimes. like you'll do like a whole presentation and a whole thing with and it's it's hard sometimes to plan out like how a a presentation is gonna go along with the punch line and the timing and and as you know from you know I've talked to you about some of your shows where you're like oh it really all came together perfect on this one and then you were like add this one it was a little bit off and then it wasn't add an account for this but then you know what I mean and like so there's it also just unfortunately for Andrew his team pulling up videos in the back and feeding him to Pat and then them waiting for the like it just didn't click and work you know I had the the moment that every was everybody's big like takeaway moment of my debate with Cuomo was the thing where he kept saying he never said this about Ivermectin mocking Joe Rogan and then the team had the clip pulled right up there but that was out of my hands the team I didn't like come with a clip and go he's gonna lie about this guys have this ready i got lucky that someone on pat's team is good and pulled that thing up and then had it ready to go right away so it's like the stars kind of aligned there were a few moments there where it was like dead air because they're waiting for the next clip and i gotta say it it ended up coming off like you said rob as more gotcha like I don't think Andrew was best served going into that debate going let me pull the the seven most outrageous clips of Candace Owens because it does then it does seem like it's like oh this is just gotcha stuff I think he would have been that much better off if he had been okay Candace if he had said okay Candace it's been a year what's your working theory you know you've done all these big shows on it you've had a huge successful run you you know what i mean like what do you got because after all this like what do you really got is your theory okay here's why i think it's tyler robinson like let's compare your theory to mine and then really had a mastery of like why dude the evidence here is pretty overwhelming and and he he should have been prepared for her things like oh like i don't know rob what's the answer why are his fingertips degraded more so than the other ones of his family well i i gotta guess here there's an answer to that right Or there's at least an answer that the prosecution is going to present at trial.

43:51I didn't hear that. And if I had, I think he might have been in a position of just be like, I'm sorry, dude. Like we're comparing overwhelming versus overwhelming. I got DNA evidence, eyewitnesses and a confession. You got nothing. You know, like there was, but he never really had that moment. And instead he chased kind of gotcha wins the whole time. That was kind of how I felt. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge. I love this company. I am a proud owner of a Ridge wallet and I have been for many years. They're great. I don't know if you're, if you still hang on to the traditional wallet, but you don't need to have a big leather brick in your back pocket.

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46:08And I think Andrew, for some reason, feels that what she's doing is inappropriate. And I don't think he demonstrated, hey, there is incredible evidence of the fact that this guy's the shooter. And so this is ridiculous that you're exploring it and that you're trying to potentially pin blame on other people's. I think she demonstrated that there's a lot of open-ended things in the case. I mean, to give you guys the short, just what is the evidence at the moment that he did it outside of the note that was left and the text message he sent, which was basically a guy who seemingly doesn't want to be convicted of a crime going, hey, I committed this.

46:44And so we supposedly have a reference to a confession to his parent and a cop, but we haven't actually heard them say that. So it could be a kid who thought, was nervous that he was going to get in trouble and so decided to turn himself in and the family said your best move is to turn himself in. The evidence is supposedly that, you know, they don't have video of him pulling the trigger. The best evidence that they have is a guy who looks like him moving around on a campus. There's nothing like just spectacular from what I've seen that's been presented outside of, oh, there's this confession note, which, you know, maybe he is a patsy and he didn't write that note.

47:22And on the same note, it is rather odd that evidence was given back to the Kirk family and that the site was instantly paved over, that that camera that was taken down behind, I don't think that was ever turned over. There are weird elements here that create a question. And I certainly think exploring whether or not our government engages, I mean, it probably happened with JFK, probably also happened with Martin Luther King Jr. I think it's very fair to explore if there's certain forces that rise up in the general culture that are so big and mighty that the government wants them out of the way and that they're taking people out.

48:00And I think that's a fair thing to explore. Well, I think if I were Candace in the debate, and again, I'm not like taking Candace's position, but if I was Candace in that debate, I mean, I would have really focused on Joe Kent and the comments that he made and really tried to drive home that just kind of look and look, this is kind of where I am with the charlie kirk thing in general it's like well first of all as i've said all along from a year ago this is a goddamn like personally speaking this is a very strange topic um this is like a real person who i knew who you know got murdered in the most horrific violent way publicly um um i i said immediately after charlie kirk was killed and took a lot of shit for this rob if you remember you know this actually really bugs me because i've seen like a few people give me shit for not talking about charlie kirk more over the last year um and you know they go oh dave's a coward or something like that because he won't touch this issue like yes that's me i just avoid radioactive issues and i'm uncomfortable taking a public stand like okay whatever it's like no actually what happened was i um i pretty publicly took a stand early on in it if you remember rob there's i don't know that there's been three times since we've been doing this show where there was a damn near revolt from the audience against me and this was one of them because I was publicly saying, and I haven't changed my mind on that.

49:39I go, I thought it was crazy that people were saying Israel did it, even speculating. Some outright saying Israel did it, others speculating. Some people who I respect, who I like, were doing that. I called them out for doing that. I stand by that. I think it was like, you know, whatever. I think it, I'm not for goofy conspiracies and I don't like presenting wild ones that, or I shouldn't say, when I say goofy theories, nothing wrong with a good conspiracy they happen all the time but some theories are right and some theories are not and like i've kind of maintained basically the whole way through look i know i i did a couple shows on it after charlie kirk uh died one where i read his text messages and i've explained that several times because i thought it was the right thing to do all things being you know considered um these these episodes were enormously successful they're some of our most downloaded episodes ever and then i stopped talking about it even though i knew this was a topic that you'll blow up you're gonna have a huge because it's like look dude honestly there's a few things here number one this isn't my strength i know people get confused about this sometimes but it's like i don't know it's like it's like if we there was a bomb that was about to go off and you go dave defuse the bomb okay i don't know how to defuse a bomb and you'd be like but i heard you do a great rant on Israel Gaza on Joe Rogan.

51:00So defuse a bomb. Like those are two different skills. I'm like, I'm, I understand arguments about economics and I know the history of military conflicts or whatever, but like, I don't know anything about detective work and forensics and all of this stuff. So it's just not really my strength. I will say one of the big holes in the Candace Owens, he's a patsy theory to me seems to be that he's alive and about to face trial. The kid's going to stay on trial. They're going to present a defense. We're going to get to learn some more stuff. So like, I don't know what, okay. So like all of that, I'm not jumping out on theories.

51:38I'm not just trying to chase clicks. I want to respect the fact that this was an actual person who I knew, who I respected, who has children, you know, like, I don't know. But Rob, Joe Kent, the director of counterterrorism came out and said the investigation had been suppressed and that he had major questions. He said this on the biggest news show in America when he resigned. The highest authority in the land came down to comment on this and he didn't admonish Candace Owens, who had had her investigation going on at this point, Rob, for months, right? He didn't say, oh, this is crazy. He goes, hey, the only person trying to shut down the war in Iran who had Trump's ear was publicly executed.

52:23And there were leads we should have followed up on that were stifled by the FBI. That's what he said. At that point, how am I supposed to sit here and be furious? It's like after I know that they lied us into Iraq, I'm supposed to be furious at the people that are like 9-11 truthers. Even if I'm not a 9-11 truther? I'm supposed to be mad at them? I think I'm actually more mad at the regime who just took us into war. So again, none of this really makes any sense to me. It's like, that's essentially where I'm at. I don't know. There's some things that seem weird. The story between what was going on with Charlie and the Israel lobby is really fascinating.

53:07They definitely all lied through their teeth about that. The big set, I don't really have a theory other than that. very interested in the trial. I don't know, Rob, is that unreasonable? Is that an unreasonable position to take? Because I don't think it is. No. And I just feel like after what we went through with COVID, anyone that wants to question official narratives, I don't ever want to, I just, I'm never going to take the side of, but there's an official narrative from the state here. Now, listen, I don't watch all of Candace's show, so I don't know to what extent these claims are taking place.

53:41I don't know. I do think that without great evidence, um, I, listen, I'm just not on the side of censorship ever. People should do what they want to do with their shows. I think that, uh, uh, accusing Erica Kirk in a public format without great evidence, it does maybe borderline inappropriate because like it's kind of similar territory to Sandy Hook where I totally respect people being concerned about false flags, but getting that aspect wrong does just become a little bit more inappropriate. But I mean, the idea of exploring the case and going, hey, I don't think this official narrative is true.

54:20And was there a government motive here? The idea that you're going to criticize anybody for doing that or wanting to do a gotcha, ruin them show. I just I don't know. I feel like you're on the side of state censorship. I you know there was one point in the debate where Candace says you're here to argue the state's case and Andrew seemed to get offended by that but then it is like I mean that is what you're doing like you are that doesn't make it wrong but like that is what you're doing. I do think that there was a point in the debate that Candace and I think she could have maybe perhaps even made this point stronger.

54:55But she had said that, like, well, look, she goes, Benjamin Netanyahu immediately started lying. And that's what brought Israel into this conversation. And I do think there's something to be said as I've sat back and kind of watched all of this happen. I get your point very much, right? Like, you know, in fact, I've made this point. In fact, I made this point to a guy who was a Sandy Hook truther back in that time. This is the guy who used to host a podcast with Mike Cannon back in the day. But I remember he was saying and I just thought all of it was dumb. He had no argument. And he sent me stuff.

55:31You got to watch this. And watch. It was just terrible. But I remember saying to him about the Sandy Hook thing. I go, hey, dude, let's say 95 percent. You're right. Sandy Hook was a false flag or whatever. No one died. That's what you're trying to tell me. Okay. Let's say there's just a 5 % chance you're wrong about that. Okay. If you're wrong, then you're publicly mocking the parents of people who just lost their kindergartner. Like I'd, I'd be very concerned if there was a 5 % chance I was doing that. You know what I mean? Cause like, even if it's only 5%, you're like, oh, there's a 5 % chance that I'm being like the worst, most despicable human being imaginable right now you know and so like yes you get into that territory anytime you start talking about a wife or that that being said it's not wrong if the wife actually is guilty but it is a like hey man you take a swing at the at that you better not miss type type of deal right but i will say too and i think this was the point at least i think this was part of what candace was getting at um in fact i'd be interested to talk to her a bit more about this but um maybe i will soon um But she was kind of going, no, look, that's what brought Israel into this.

56:45And I will say that with the Charlie Kirk case, I could see under some normal rule of honor or something like that being like, you shouldn't mention Israel and you shouldn't mention his wife unless you really got some hardcore evidence, you know, to point in that direction. The thing is that when immediately when the body's still warm and I got the Israeli prime minister lying through his fucking teeth about what Charlie believed, like really, really trying to manipulate the situation in his favor, along with the entire Israel lobby, who he was openly calling out and like kind of maybe turning on and then to watch them all lie about it.

57:28And then his widow is out in leather pants holding a Republican National Convention, groping the vice president. I do feel like, Rob, to some degree, that changes that calculation of whatever is you were saying is inappropriate or whatever the honor code bound thing you would have to do. It's like you can't really say these things are off limits to talk about when they are so egregiously shoving themselves, inserting themselves into the conversation. And so I got to say, if people don't like the conspiracy industry that's arisen out of this, like, don't you kind of got to look at that behavior, too, and go, Jesus, guys, I mean, this was the worst way to handle it.

58:07They essentially gave permission to, like, start talking about this stuff because, look, it's so weird and it's so right in front of your face. And just just for the sake of transparency and calling myself out for being a hypocrite, I do have a joke in my act that maybe insinuates Mossad's involvement in the Kirk case. And I also did have a conversation on my podcast at some point with the guest about whether or not Erica Kirk could be MKUltra. Both of those I thought were valid because I think it is I think it's I'm open to exploring the idea that MKUltra is involved in these kind of actions.

58:43I'm not saying that that's what took place here. I also don't quite know what takes place on Candace's show. This is why I kind of hate debates is that it brings you into like the pure evidence place, which almost removes the poetry of exploring ideas and trying to find truth. But I just kind of lean towards, you know, well, if you're criticizing the official narrative, I don't think you're instantly just like wrong or everyone needs to go shame, shame on you. yeah listen um i look i agree i agree with you it's it's look when i debate and you see this i i like to debate the war that's going on right now or economic policy or just something where it's like look it's very clear what we're arguing about here um and and not you know it's a little bit of a of an awkward thing to to try to like win a debate in devastating fashion that you you did a conspiracy that wasn't true.

59:39You know, it's, it's a little bit of a tough thing to, to sell. And there was at least one point. And again, I don't really, I don't know enough about the details to know this stuff, but there was one point where Candace did walk away from a thing. She said, she goes, Oh yeah, I got that wrong. You know? And it's like, and that kind of takes all the power away from it. Cause it's like, well, I mean, she's allowed to hunt down theories. Right. And like, she can admit she got one wrong. Anyway, I think that, um, like i always i always saw it this way that it's like there it's not my job i don't know it's not it's not my job to be the whole monitor of the dissonance i mean like again you know there's probably a lot of there's a lot of things that i think people who listen to the show ought to be able to figure out about my views even things that i don't talk about that much right because like rob if you were to go where does dave stand on building seven i never talk about tower seven right but almost that almost tells you where i stand on it right it's like i'm not a 9-11 truther and people know that and i don't know you know and like it you would just go how has that never come up if i believe that it would have come up one of these times you know what i mean i've talked about this stuff so many times on such big platforms you would have heard me say that like where do I stand on chemtrails well like I don't believe in them right because I never talk about them you would have heard me talk about them once if I thought this was like a major thing that was going on again that doesn't mean I have to run around and like to every dissident go oh you got out over your skis here or you were a little bit too racist in your criticism of the war or something like that it's like I don't know we got you know we have a government that lies to us about everything, commits enormous crimes against us.

1:01:34You know, it's like here you have a guy who was who was an open advocate against a war that we fought jointly with the Israelis. And he was clearly in the president's ear, had a huge mobilization, like outreach, you know, organization. He's the biggest political organizer of young people in the right wing in America. That's a big deal. And he was against this war. Also, that government's known for their targeted assassination campaigns and stuff. So like all I'm saying, I'm not saying none of that is evidence that Israel did anything because I don't have any evidence that Israel did anything. But it is fertile ground for conspiracies to bloom.

1:02:15And it's almost undeniable that they're going to happen. I don't think like, you know, to me, it's always been clear that like my job is to tell the truth and to focus on the evil people in power who are doing the worst thing. Focus on the major crisis, the major problem. I don't think like, you know, when you're going after people for being, you know, if you're going after Alex Jones for being Alex Jones, you have to really demonstrate why it's so bad. you know which there is an argument to it yet you're discrediting the entire movement that's against this thing but like you got to really connect those dots all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is prolon by el neutro long work weeks and busy weekends can leave you feeling and looking depleted but prolongs five-day fasting mimicking diet works at the cellular level to reset and rejuvenate you from the inside out supporting sustained fat loss, lean muscle, metabolism, slower aging, and even glowing skin.

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1:04:58I think Clint, I saw part of his stream the other day. We talked on the phone briefly while I was watching the debate. But I saw part of his stream and even he had said, I mean, Candace has it at zero. I'd probably be way higher than that. You know, like so he was going like he I think I probably am. And this is what's kind of ironic, I guess, that I thought Andrew lost the debate despite the fact that I don't know that I necessarily disagree with his opinion. I think I disagree with a few things he said, but but if you said 75 percent and I say this with like real ignorance, Rob, like not as someone following this, that's kind of about where I'm at.

1:05:36Right. I go probably like odds are that this kid did shoot him. Right. I mean, if they got a gun and they got I don't know, that's kind of where I am. I don't know. But that's not that like that number isn't that high. That number leaves a whole huge percentage that maybe there's something else here that we don't know about. I'm not against people digging for that if they think that's the case. Figure it out. And I'm not for, you know, somebody playing the role of being like, oh, I'll call you out if your theory doesn't add up. It's okay. Not quite sure why it needs to be the number one debate, though.

1:06:14Right? Like, it just seems like, I don't know, guys, like there's a war going on. He put$300 ,000 on the line with the I'm going to ruin you and you're much bigger than I am. There's no reason for you to have me on the show for the opportunity to ruin you. And people like stakes. You know what I mean? That's like watching Evil Knievel jump the Grand Canyon. You're like, someone's going to fail today. And so when you put up$300 ,000 of I'm going to ruin someone, you're like, oh, man, is someone about to get ruined? Or is someone about to lose$300 ,000 on a failed attempt? Well, that's right. And it does look, don't get me wrong, because to some degree, these things are all intermarried, right?

1:06:53because there is like like in theory rob right you could win a debate you could really win the argument but the crowd could just disagree with you like 90 of the crowd could think you lost even though you're like wait i had way better arguments but then in some other sense that's a loss because you're the goal of doing the thing is to get the people to be on your side and so i just it's it's hard to go like how can you look at a situation just even if you're on andrew's side and even if you think he won the debate and even if you can overlook moments like that in the debate that didn't really go very well for him candace owens collected three hundred thousand dollars and didn't lose a fan over this like if the goal was to expose her or to stop this or to anything it just made her look good everything all of the optics even even the fact is that andrew seemed a bit nervous that he was twitching his leg the whole time that she that he wrote this whole opening thing and she just cracked her knuckles and came out and went like, okay, let's do it.

1:07:55And was calm the whole time. And just, it's just, it's hard. How do you look at that and not go, this was a win for her. This was a big win. Um, that I don't know. Seems clear to me. That's my honest opinion on it. I knew there were a lot of people who were like, Oh, I saw a few people on Twitter who were like, I'll be very interested to see how Dave's going to handle this or whatever. You're like, but I handle it by telling you what I think is true. There's like how I always do. And, um, you know, I don't, I also, you know, I, I guess maybe more broadly, I would say, Hey, you know, kind of like an in defense of Candace Owens that, yeah, it's like, look, somebody said to me the other day, uh, when I was shitting on Hassan Piker, someone said to me, they go, um, well, Dave, you don't want to be doing the CIA's bidding, you know, like you, they're trying to ruin this guy.

1:08:47Cause he's anti-war. Now you're going after him. And I'm like, yeah, but everything within reason, like there's a line and you know, the guy is openly pushing like Maoism or something like that. And it's like, yeah, okay. I actually think that's bad. And I also just find him reprehensible on a lot of different levels and whatever. But like, there is something to like, where people go, Oh, Candace Owens collected money. She made all this money off talking about Charlie Kirk for the last year. It's like, Candace was going to make a lot of money in the last year talking about whatever she wanted to talk about.

1:09:17Okay. Candace Owens has been humongous for a very long time. Candace Owens got fired from the Daily Wire and they kept her YouTube channel. So she had to start a whole new one from scratch. And she had millions of subscribers the first day. She was the chick who told she became in many ways the face or one of the faces of the anti-israel movement you know and and because she was at under ben shapiro's company it just it made the opt the dynamics of it so much crazier and more interesting and compelling and then she went on to have like huge huge huge success so she was going to be huge no matter what you know and like i don't know i do think that people are going after her in a way that doesn't make sense, even if she was wrong about all of these theories.

1:10:10Like, even if that's the case, I still just don't find that to be something that that is worthy of like, you know, again, like I said, Alex Jones has a track record of getting a million things wrong. I still don't look at Alex Jones as like this awful evil person because essentially he was against the awful evil people as they were in power doing terrible things. He just thought they were communicating with aliens. You know, like, I don't know. It's just I don't I just don't it doesn't do it for me. So it doesn't seem right. I also think she validated if you thought she needed, she validated the pursuit.

1:10:43She showcased that there wasn't a coherent enough story for this guy definitely did it. Why are you looking into this? And I think she definitely spoke to the fact that this one's personal for her because, you know, Charlie was a friend and that's why she's digging in. And I, you know. Can I just say one more thing, by the way, that I just forgot to say, the final note. I agree with you completely. That I also thought what backfired, weirdly, was him reading a new text message from Charlie Kirk that Turning Point had given him. I mean, that just like, look, it made Turning Point look terrible, which doesn't help Andrew ever as he is in some way here de facto, de facto their representative.

1:11:25Not technically, I guess, but I don't know. You worked with them and now you're doing this and they're feeding you information. But so now you're telling me, wait a minute. So you're telling me that first of all, this completely contradicts what Erica Kirk publicly said when she attacked Candace Owens and said that this is untrue. It's completely made up that Charlie ever said anything about how he feared for his life. And I have his phone. So I know for a fact this isn't true. Now we're going to completely 180 on that. And we're going, oh, no, no, no. He was afraid, but of the left. And we have kept this quiet all this time only to reveal it now in an attempt to own Candace Owens.

1:12:03That I don't know. I just thought that didn't help the case at all. and like I don't know what else do you got and then when he said he's going to reveal the more stuff on his show kind of I think trying to needle her for doing the same but so now you're doing the same thing that she did but you're very upset at her it just none of this was coherent to me I don't know you know look I know something about getting these big debate moments you got to go win the debates I don't know what else to say okay we're going to wrap up there catch you guys next time big episode tomorrow. Catch you then. Peace.