Did Iran Win the War?

28:24And I don't know exactly the logistics of how you get the troops over those mountains. I guess we're helicoptering a lot of people in. But yes, if if America was willing to actually pay the cost, we could invade and topple and military militarily occupy Iran. Now, we quite likely would end up in a situation like Afghanistan 20 years later. Shit, man, there's nothing we can do here. We got to go and we don't get to pick who controls the government. But we could pick for as long as we're there. The thing about Iran is it would just cost a lot more than Iraq or Afghanistan. us down. So you'd probably, you know, you'd certainly be looking at casualties in the high tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, trillions of dollars this would cost, you know, like, so like, okay, we could do that.

29:10But yes, what stops us is that no one in their right mind wants to, because why would they? Why would they like, you just, I'm sorry, this just is not, you cannot create in people's minds that this is a World War II type of scenario where Nazi germany is taking over all of europe or something like that however you feel about world war ii it's just nothing like that well he's a hundred percent right that our country doesn't have the will what he leaves out is the why and that's because we've gotten smarter after being lied to about all these wars for the last 30 40 years yep no that's right and so at this point people just kind of see through the fact that this is and look it just obviously is you know like it's bullshit when this was something that my grandfather's generation loved to say.

29:58They loved to say, uh, we'd all be speaking German. You remember that old thing? That was like a thing people used to say. We'd all be speaking German as if somehow Germany was coming here, which is okay. Which is ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense. Now, even if, you know even if you had some alternative scenario where like you have germany conquering russia okay so maybe you have germany not invading russia they didn't invade russia but they did take britain and okay but then you have them sailing across the atlantic ocean to invade america too and then enforce their language on it like okay it's ridiculous it was never going to happen but at the same time you could go hey i mean you know look they did conquer a lot of areas right like germany did you know conquer france and uh and um you know austria and czechoslovakia and poland and they did invade russia and they did you know i think they were winning the fighting in russia at the very beginning of it so like okay you could at least build a narrative there that like well they're taking over okay maybe i'm exaggerating that everyone would be speaking German, but maybe more people would be.

31:21Donald Trump trying to convince you that Iran was about to nuke the entire world when not only did they not have a deliverable bomb, they didn't have a bomb. This is just the idea that you're going to fool people. As you said, Rob, people have woken up to the fact that we've been lied into all these wars. Now they're at least looking through a lens of like, are you lying to me about this? And all you've got is the biggest pile of bullshit in the world. It's just absolutely no one. It's just too ridiculous. Anyway, let's yeah, let's get into this. So Donald Trump did meet the press on Sunday. That was another thing that happened in the middle of this crazy weekend.

32:02It was a bizarre interview. It made me feel so much better about myself that NBC can't figure out how to do a podcast on the road. they couldn't figure out how to put some soundproofing in so that you wouldn't hear the rain and then the microphone failed yeah it sounds i think they put the microphone at the end of a gutter that's what it sounds like that they just laid it right down like right where the water hits a puddle at the bottom of the gutter seemed to be couldn't figure out the post-production to pull out some of that noise it just made me feel so much better about this janky microphone i'm holding in my friend's shitty house yeah no listen you're doing you're not doing great rob but you're doing just as good as meet the press.

32:44That's where you're at as the longest running news show on television. Um, but anyway, uh, okay, let's, let's go to the interview. Let's start the first clip at 19 minutes and 51 seconds. Uh, Natalie, let's get into this because there is, there's something very interesting here where Donald Trump, uh, is being interviewed by Kristen Welker, who poses as a journalist. And she did ask the most basic of questions, but hasn't been put to Donald Trump that many times. But it was like, hey, didn't you say a whole thing about not doing this? Let's watch this exchange. I'd like to talk big picture now, Mr.

33:25President. One of your consistent campaign promises was no new wars, going all the way back to 2015. Did you break that promise to the American people? I had to stop a country, very powerful, very dangerous country, from having a nuclear weapon because they'd use it. They'd blow up the world. They'd blow up the Middle East. They'd blow up Israel. They'd come here. They'd blow up Europe. They're nuts, okay? They're crazy people. I deal with them. And very high-strung people, a little crazy. And get along with them. I like them. you don't want to let them have a nuclear weapon just pause it already just pause it already i mean dude it's just how anyone defends this guy still it's just such a clown so they'd blow up the middle east they'd blow up israel they'd come here blow up america they'd take out europe i mean these people are just fucking insane i gotta be honest i like them i like them they're cool like i like them i can deal with them they're totally cool people but they would kill the entire world this how do you start there the question was sir your campaign promise of no new wars and then you just started going into how they're these guys who would kill every baby in the world, but you really like them?

34:55They seem like really good dudes. Well, this is the insane pivot. And I think really crystal clear proof of the fact that he's lying is that according to Trump, nothing about the Iran situation changed since Obama and they were going to get a nuclear warhead and they were going to kill the entire world. You should have campaigned then on somebody has to get Iran. And the fact that you didn't is because you went out there and lied and you knew that the american people wanted to hear you're not going to get us into another war so you didn't campaign on the idea of guys no one else has the guts to stand up to iran iran is going to nuke all of us into oblivion that's why you have to put me into office because i'm the one person that will stop them he specifically while campaign well he specifically said obama's gonna get us into a war with iran he said marco rubio will be the adelson's little puppet.

35:48And then I'm pretty sure he said Kamala Harris is going to get us into a war with Iran. Like not only was he not saying that when he was campaigning, it was his knock on the other guys that they were going to go fight this. Dude. Yes, Rob, your point. It's the same as the 47. We've been at war for 47 years. OK, great. But then how come you didn't say that then? And same as this now, if that's right, if it is the case that you criticize, this is an excellent point, Rob, you criticized Obama's Iran deal, the JCPOA, because you said it put them on the fast track to making a nuke. And now you're saying if they had a nuke, they'd destroy the entire world.

36:27Does Donald Trump understand that developing one nuclear bomb will not give you the ability to destroy the entire world? Probably not. But regardless, that's what he said. Okay. So then you should have been able to explain this to the American people and win the election based on that argument. Instead, you promised the exact opposite. Yeah, I actually did. This might be way later that we won't get to it. But the confidence of Trump, because he pivots to they voted for me because they like my decision making. Oh, yeah. Well, let's we voted for you because of campaign promises such as you're the guy who's not going to get us into wars.

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38:56Let's just keep going. Let's power through it, right? Here, we paused nearly five minutes for the rain to pass, and then picked up our conversation. So you're saying you didn't break your promise, and yet, Mr. President, in your first term, you held to that promise, and it was so fundamental to who you were as a candidate to a first term president. What changed? Because you insisted no new wars. Look, look. First of all, I didn't guarantee no war. Why would I have built the strongest military in the world? I built our military. I inherited a terrible military. We had no equipment. We had nothing.

39:34I built a tremendous military. Biden gave a lot of it away, but it's still a relatively small portion compared to what I built. But you said it over and over again, Mr. President. Why would I build a military? Now, I didn't want to use this, but I'm doing you and everybody else a big favor. In the midst of the greatest stock market in history, in the midst of the most successful country, because as you know in the last time we were dead country christian i know you you're a big liberal or big progressive no i'm just a journalist we were a dead country a year ago a couple of years ago we were a dead country now we have the hottest country anywhere in the world please pause one second hardest point which is probably now okay this to me right here is why he also can't sell the war is because even if you're a donald trump loyalist you know that it's not true that we were a dead country two years ago or that things are suddenly phenomenal now.

40:27And so you're watching him lie through his teeth, portray a world that doesn't exist. And then when he pivots to Iran was going to nuke all of us. Well, even if you're the biggest Donald Trump loyalist and maybe you want to say that this is just, you know, him selling and using the most favorable language, you still know he's not being honest right now. He is lying through his teeth. This is not reality. yeah you know that's right rob and and you know look even when you said before you know you kind of said well donald trump's like people voted for me because they trust my judgment and you're like no people voted for you because you said you know like you were on the right side of these issues that they cared about well in a way you're both right you're just talking about different groups of people and we're kind of running that experiment right now we're running the experiment of like how many people does this work on?

41:16Like how many people did what Donald Trump ran on in 2024 work on? Oh, tens of millions of Americans, a winning coalition, enough to win the popular vote in every single swing state. Okay. How many people does this work on? Not nearly as many. So yes, there are diehard Trump supporters who will still go with this, but I think like you're hitting on a big part of the issue here. Another part of it is just that like, you know, there, there are these techniques that work in certain situations that don't work in others. So like there might be something like, like funny, like an inside joke you have with your wife.

41:57And if she's mad at you because she asked you to do the dishes and you didn't, and then you do the inside joke, it might make her laugh and then the fight falls over. But if she catches you in bed with another woman, that inside joke probably isn't going to be enough to make you go like, you're kind of cute. That's funny, you know? And so Donald Trump does, he used to do these tactics all the time, but they would be in the context of like a journal, like back in 2017, Donald Trump would be given a spiel about a border's wide open. We don't have a country. We don't win anymore. We're in debt. We're in stupid wars or whatever.

42:29And then a journalist would be like, but you said something offensive on a bus or something like that. And he'd go, nobody even thinks that you you don't think that you're dumb and you're gay. Our border is wide open or this is that or that. And there'd be something where people would go like, okay, but like, look, he is transitioning from a stupid thing back to like actually an important policy. You know, someone would be asking him about Russiagate and he would go, do you know that Obama destroyed our country? You know? And like there would just be something where you'd be like, okay, people get on board with that.

43:00But at this point you're like, dude, people are asking you about a war that you launched, you know, even going into and you essentially just have no answer. And so, you know, like, Rob, we're running that experiment. We're finding out who does this work on. And the numbers are very clear, less and less people. You know, I mean, Rob, we made a big deal about this when Donald Trump first came in to office on the podcast. We made a big deal about how he had his highest approval ratings that he had ever had. That's still not that high. He's still Donald Trump. But he, I think, got up to like 55 % at one point, maybe 53 % or something.

43:39Like he was doing good. He's like almost 20 points down from that at this point. And so kind of, there's your answer. You know, how many people does this work? It's like, dude, you are so clearly full of shit. You're being asked a direct question. You're pivoting to these things that don't even make sense. No new wars. Why would I say it? No new wars. Why would I have rebuilt the military? It's like, yeah, dude. I mean, that would kind of work if this wasn't clearly a war of choice, an elective war. If you weren't, hey, I built up the military. I don't know, so that if we get attacked, we can defend ourselves.

44:13But that's not the situation here. And you clearly said no new wars, meaning I'm not just going to start wars, but I'm building up the military to be prepared in case we absolutely have to fight one. But everyone knows we absolutely didn't have to fight this one. And for then to you to just, again, Rob, like you said, we were a dead country. You know, Now, you could maybe get away with that. I get your point. People will realize, no, we weren't literally a dead country. But, you know, people are good about not, you know, Trump supporters are good about not taking them too literally. Because you can't.

44:45You can't defend them if you do that. But you could even say, hey, things were so bad under Biden. Things were so bad under Obama. The real problem Donald Trump is in is the same exact problem that we called all of the year of 2024 that Joe Biden had. You can't say now's great. You just can't say that because you run up against the reality of the fact that absolutely nothing of substance has changed for the average American. And that's just the fact. I shouldn't even say that. I'm understating it. It's gotten worse. maybe not as drastically worse as it did in some of the worst Biden years, but things have gotten worse.

45:24Things are just more expensive than they were last year. And so, you know, to just look around at, to say to people in America today, they're like, no, things are good. Things aren't way too expensive and no one can afford to live is just impossible to work. It's not going to happen. All right, let's see what he says next. Let's go. Now, believe it or not, we just had all brand new stock market records today. But at the hottest point in the history of our country, I took Scott, Howard, I took Pete, I took everybody into a room. I said, I have to do this country, this world, the Middle East, Israel, everybody a favor.

46:06You have Iran. They're going to have a nuclear weapon. Barack Hussein Obama signed the JCPOA. It was a horrible deal. Horrible deal. Listen to me. It was a horrible deal. It was a path to them getting a nuclear weapon. They were very close to having a nuclear weapon. I terminated the deal. Wait. Then I sent the B-2 bombers in about nine, 10 months ago, and they obliterated, totally obliterated the site, and I saved it. We had a choice. We could let them have a nuclear weapon, or we could go along and have some beautiful days, but they would have, you know, it's a judgment, they would have used a nuclear weapon.

46:47And you know what? When people hear that whole scenario, when they hear me say, Iran is going to have a nuclear weapon, and they're crazy, they say, you're doing the right thing. I don't think it's an un... I mean, you'll do polls, because they're all fake polls anyway, especially yours. But you do polls. I just won a big election. And the reason I won an election is people have confidence and they have good judgment. I had to make a judgment. Right there. Do I want to go along and have a country that's doing really well, but somebody is going to try and kill us? Or do I want to put out that horrible threat?

47:26And I did. I put it out. I put it out for many, many years. Now I'm going to put it out permanently. All right, so let's just pause it right here. I mean, I don't know. And then I guess we can probably skip ahead to the next segment. I guess what's just so ridiculous about all of this, right, Rob? I mean, and you kind of nailed the point earlier. it's like all right but if everything you're saying right now is true then you should have run on this in 2024 because all of that was the reality going into it right and so he's gonna say iran was about to get a nuclear weapon because of the jcpoa therefore i had to tear up the jcpoa therefore we were still in a position where they were about to get nuclear weapons had he not done the 12-day war they would have gotten nuclear weapons and destroyed the whole world okay but dude then why didn't you run on that why didn't you ever mention that literally ever mention that that iran was going to blow up the entire world and we'd have to go to war with them to stop them from obtaining nuclear weapons never said that he said iran can't have nuclear weapons but you didn't campaign on this you said no new wars and so like right away again that falls apart it's not even a defense of this war he's making a defense of the 12-day war still which is defeated by the fact that he had to go fight this war.

48:42But then also, I mean, just think about how weak the logic is here where she's going, hey, you ran on no new wars and you've delivered a big fat new war. What about the promises? And he goes, well, I think the war is very popular, even though every poll says it's the most unpopular war in American history, because those are fake polls. And you know how I know? Because I won an election where I promise no new wars. That's how I know the war is popular is that I couldn't run on it. Like, like, don't get it twisted. If Donald Trump had run on this, he would have lost. No one, no, you know, like he can say they just love my judgment so much.

49:22Look, there are people obviously, I mean, look, okay, whatever Donald Trump has right now, he's got a 34 % approval rating. Okay. 34 % of the voting population are absolutely in a cult of personality, right? Like anyone who's still supporting Donald Trump is just, is that essentially. But there is this fundamental miscalculation, which happens a lot. This is what hubris does to men, even great men. You sit there and go, people voted for me because they just love me. They just trust me. They know that I'm so fucking great that I'll do all this. The truth is that Donald Trump got social conservatives to vote for him in this country.

50:07none of them just loved donald trump so much you know it's not that they just went dude let me tell you who my ideal conservative candidate is a billionaire playboy from new york city who's cheated on all of his wives certainly had multiple abortions paid for um was a longtime donor of bill and hillary clinton and his friends with everyone in hollywood that was not the idea the point is that you positioned yourself as being the guy standing up to the machine and really infuriating all of its, you know, you know, biggest public faces. And that's part of the reason why that's the major reason why people developed this kind of like love for you.

50:52So to just say that it's like, oh, it had nothing to do with no new wars. Like it had nothing to do with secure borders. It had nothing to do with putting America first. That's going to be a real time. Like, listen, again, there will be some percentage of people who stick by him but as we're finding out not nearly enough to be a winning coalition so you know like no there were enough people who liked your message because of the message and not because they were just so in love with the messenger uh this is uh this is trump he's getting high in his own supply it's like a comic who convinces himself the audience just likes them for them and then has no jokes and then you slowly discover oh no they liked me because I had all those jokes, which is what they paid for.

51:35And that's why they think I'm funny. You know, you got to actually do the thing. And so he campaigned on promises and now he's convincing himself. It has nothing to do with those promises. It's just because they liked me. Rob going at Dave Chappelle today. Ooh, is that clear that I wasn't going to say it? And that's a hundred percent who I was thinking of.

51:58I genuinely didn't even think you were thinking of him. I thought I was just joking, but you know it applies i was like how do i not take any shot shots fired greatest greatest ever when he came with jokes when he came with jokes he was there's no one better um but uh yeah so um by the way let's let's just go play natalie if you could play the one that i texted uh to you which was i believe the second clip that i texted to you because this is kind of funny as a juxtaposition to what you just heard donald trump say uh but this is the one from the bulwark um let's let's play this clip just to refresh ourselves on what was and wasn't said.

52:33You insisted no new wars. I didn't guarantee no war. I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars. No more wars, no more disruptions. We will have prosperity and we will have peace. Under Trump, we will have no more wars, no more disruptions, and we will have prosperity and peace for all. I am the candidate of peace. I am peace. We will turn the page forever. One of those foolish, stupid days of never ending wars. They never ended. You insisted no new war. Yeah. So, you know, look, there's just no question. And of course, because it's Donald Trump, he could never, you know, he'd never just go like, you know, all things equal.

53:17I try my best to keep us out of wars. You know, he has to go, I never once would ever do it. I'll be the most anti-war. I am peace. You know, of course he has to go. So like, no, there's just no question that Donald Trump made, look in Donald Trump's first term, that was kind of a talking point that Trump supporters used. Hey, no new wars. Now it was kind of misleading because he continued a lot of wars. He was fighting wars every day of his first term, but it is true that he didn't start a new disastrous one. And he even resisted getting pulled into this very war that we find ourselves in today.

53:53Although, as, you know, has been mentioned with pulling out of the JCPOA, he did certainly set the table for this war that he's in now. So, but man, 2024, Rob, they made that a huge part of the campaign. No new wars. It's not just that Trump himself bragged about it and promised it in his next term, but every last one of Trump's surrogates all just constantly bragged about no new wars and how Kamala Harris, they were against the neocons and the deep state and the whole warfare machine. And, you know, there's just, it's going to be very, very tricky to walk away from that now. And, you know, in fact, impossible to a large enough percentage of the population.

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55:51All right, let's get back into the show. Yep, this was a nightmare of an interview. Yeah, it sure was. All right, well, we've got some more of this nightmare. Let's go hold on what was the other clip that I wanted to say do you want to do Rob what do you think is the bribing farmers I personally like he has an argument but I really like the inflation clip let's do that at 30 minutes Natalie the next one the inflation topic comes up and here's how Donald Trump here's how he addresses it You have a new Fed chair, Kevin Warsh. His first meeting in the role is later this month. After this month's jobs report, economists now say it's possible the Fed may have to raise rates.

56:45Do you think that's possible? And what would your reaction be, sir? So, I'm of a different feeling. I think Kevin is fantastic. And I want him to do whatever he wants. I don't want to have a big influence on him. But we had a great report. we're doing great and it's unfair that whenever you do great they want to raise interest rates it should be the opposite way you know if you go back 15 or 20 years when you had good reports the market went up nowadays when you have good reports the market goes down because they think oh jesus i told you like interest rates the country becomes great we built the country by doing great and having rates low what they do is when they raise interest rates they try and kill success.

57:28I don't want to kill success. We should actually lower interest rates. Now, if inflation comes, and you know, people live with inflation, but if inflation comes, what happens is you stamp it out. But success can kill inflation, just like higher interest rates. What they do now is, like we had great drop numbers. You agree, right? They beat expectations. Not expectations, like three times. Okay. But you ready? What do they do? they say oh let's raise interest rates it's the wrong thing to do i would like to see rates get lower because we could build this into the greatest okay pause it pause it for a second because there's just so much there oh my god you know it's funny because i had i haven't watched the entire thing and i had missed this part of it but jesus um okay so donald trump doesn't seem to understand interest rates.

58:25He seems to, he's suggesting that, oh, when things are going good, that's when they're going to raise the rates. And so then the market reacts negatively to things going good. And why would that be? Why, you know, like, and it's like, okay, well, there's an answer there, right? Like, why is it that the threat of raising rates freaks out the market so much, even when things are going good? And it's like, oh yeah, because you run an entire society on debt. And so the entire society is now run on what their rates are. If you could imagine like anyone who has a mortgage, you know, right, that like that rate makes all the difference in the world.

59:03In your life, you know, if rates are at 3%, you can afford a whole different house than you can if rates are at 9%. Because geez, man, like the difference is like insane on what the monthly payments are. It might be the difference between you paying like$2 ,000 a month or$6 ,000 a month. And you know, one of those is unaffordable. um in other words when you have a huge debt like a mortgage that interest rate going up makes a big difference and the more you run a society or government the the federal state local corporate everything's in debt then yeah the interest rates going up are going to mess everything up but what would you have us do lower the interest rate every time things are going good you know it's so funny that so much of the, you know, from, of course, the reaction to the Great Recession in 2008 was to lower interest rates to the lowest rate they had ever been and keep them there for a decade.

59:59This is really what led to the Trump populist movement. And he still to this day doesn't even realize that, that there's any connection between the two. And then he seems to just say, if inflation comes, then you deal with that. But how would you deal with that? Well, I mean, traditionally, you would deal with that by raising rates. I don't know. It's just the economic illiteracy here is off the charts. Any thoughts, Rob? Well, on that last point, his argument is essentially let's cook the books, let's juice the numbers, let's have a good economy. And then when the inflation comes, let's deal with it then.

1:00:37But let's wait till the inflation comes. The problem is if things are going too good, the inflation is inevitable because it's based off of the cheap money that's being printed or that's available and so to your other point of why is the stock market doing well if the interest rate's going down uh or if the mark if things are going well so we got to bring it's because it's all fictional gains it's just based off of that interest rate and that people are piling into uh these assets with returns because there's nowhere else that they can i mean there's a direct correlation between what the bond market interest rate that you can get you know if uh if the government if i can get a government bond at 10 why do i want to be in the stock market at all.

1:01:14And then everyone pours out of the stock market. But yeah, I mean, what he's he's arguing, let's cook the books, I want to have a good economy. And we can get this thing going with lower rates. But the problem is, we know that there will be inflation. And that's why we don't do it, because it's not actually helpful. And in this case, I don't even know if dropping interest rates to zero gets gets things moving. Well, it's just I mean, it's such a backward understanding of the fundamentals of the economy. You know, like I said, like, why is it that raising interest rates is so crippling to the economy in the same sense that like, if you don't have a mortgage and you're just renting, then the interest rates going up, maybe don't, doesn't affect you nearly as much.

1:01:56But if you have a mortgage, let's say it's an adjustable rate mortgage, just for the sake of argument here, then like that would affect you quite a lot. The reason why rates going up are harmful to the economy is because our economy is such a debt-based economy. But what is lowering rates? What is that? It's encouraging more debt. That's the whole idea. The whole idea of lowering rates, right, is that you lower the price of borrowing money so more people will borrow money. And there are a lot of, you know, if you could just think about a business, right, like this is a mathematical equation. You might have a new business venture that is profitable if you can borrow a million bucks at 3 % interest, but is not profitable if you have to borrow a million bucks at 9 % interest, right?

1:02:40Like this just makes a difference to the bottom line. And so if you bring rates down, there are some people who will borrow who otherwise wouldn't have borrowed. But are you telling me that the problem in the US economy is we don't have enough debt? Is anyone going to like with a straight face make that argument that the problem is we just don't have quite enough debt. We're almost there. I know what you're thinking. We have more debt than every other debtor nation in the history of the world combined, but we just need a little bit more debt because that's what this is encouraging. Just borrow more, put more on the credit card.

1:03:15Like you said, it's like essentially all Donald Trump is left with is gimmicks. That's all of this. Lowering interest rates is a gimmick. switching from a 30 year to a 50 year mortgage is a gimmick all this whole tariff regime is a gimmick none of this shit is really these are all like little band-aids to try to stop a little bit of bleeding from one little area when your economy has been stabbed 70 times with a machete this is not going to solve any of the problems it's also another just uh not that i want donald trump to keep to this nor was it a campaign promise but six months ago he was talking about how the president should be involved in the discussion about interest rates yeah yeah i have more common sense you know that was no that's right yeah oh and and throughout his first term and this term just constant pressure on the federal reserve to lower interest rates which which they have not always listened to or necessarily been influenced by but he's certainly been trying to influence them all right look we got to wrap up there um around seems to be winning the war.

1:04:21No end in sight still, but we'll, uh, we'll keep covering it with you guys. So thanks for, thanks for watching. Catch you next time. See you guys out in Denver, comicdavesmith.com, porchetour.com. Peace.