Epstein Files 2 w/ Thomas Massie

28:32It is a totally reasonable expectation that if I saw a picture of someone in a political ad, that that's a real picture. They wouldn't be allowed to show that to me if it wasn't a real picture. Anyway, it's something to keep in mind that a lot of those people really have been manipulated by all of this. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. I don't know about you guys, but one of my favorite parts of the summer is grilling. I love to do it. I do it as much as I can every single summer, but the grilling season doesn't end at the end of summer, okay?

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30:47that's the limit yeah and and she thought it was funny so i'm not being censured today in congress she laughed very good very good she laughed it's a risky it's a risky move making a joke with aoc sir you never know but if she likes it if she laughs then it's good but if not then you're a me too something predator um so that's that's good to know so i wanted uh um i'm sorry there's one more point I wanted to make on the Iran stuff before moving on. Let's move on to Epstein a little bit here. So I want to talk about the Epstein Files Part 2, the Epstein Files Transparency Act 2, and maybe even a bit about the first one.

31:24Let me start here. Knowing as you do know very well that the Dow Jones is currently over 30 ,000, why are you doing this man like who cares about child sex trafficking when when you're an environment now if we were at 29 000 i could understand this and yet even even here i'm sorry i just saw that video was going viral again today one of the greatest testimonies oh my god it's just it led to so many glorious memes i was there i was in that hearing right she was in front of me when that all happened, I tried to ask her serious questions about when, you know, they had redacted Leslie Wexner's name and picture.

32:07And, you know, they protested, oh, well, he appears, you know, several hundred times in the files. And we didn't redact his name on purpose. I said, yes, but this is the FBI document that says he's a co-conspirator in a child sex trafficking case. That is the one place where you redacted his name. So I asked Pam Bondi what I thought was an obvious question after I forced them to unredact it through public humiliation was who redacted this? They didn't take a five-gallon bucket of Sharpies and a bunch of interns and throw them in a room with a bunch of documents. This is all done on a computer by people who have limited access.

32:47They're tracking me when I go over to the DOJ. They've got a unique login for me. They know every one of those files I've looked at. They know every redaction I've tried to unredact while them over there. So they know everybody who redacted everything. That would be the question. If Jim Jordan really cared about what is going on, we would have that answer tomorrow. Which person at DOJ redacted that? Because it could be a Lois Lerner type. She's the one sort of famous middle management at IRS who targeted the Tea Party on the 501c3 application and claims to be a free agent that she was self-directed when she was doing these things.

33:28There could be somebody that's self-directed at DOJ who's doing nefarious things in there. Does nobody care? I know they track these things. Anyways, I did ask Pam Bondi a serious question. Let me talk about the first bill and the second bill. The first bill caused the release of 3 million files. And a lot of things are known that were not known. And if I hadn't been here in Congress, it would have absolutely never happened. I'm not taking full credit. There were three brave women, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Nancy Mace. All three of them have paid a huge price. Trump vetoed Lauren Boebert's water bill that would bring water to arid parts of Colorado, just out of spite, right, for that.

34:20Nancy Mace could have won her governor's race. She could have gotten, possibly could have gotten the Trump endorsement. She forewent that by co-signing this. And Marjorie Taylor Greene's no longer in Congress. This was the breaking point for Trump. He was like - Because her family threatened. Her kids, yeah. And she, and, you know, Trump wanted, when he said, you're no longer my supporters. He was also talking about his biggest supporter, Marjorie Taylor Greene. They all paid a tremendous price, but this would not happen. There would not be 3 million files. And it took so many miracles, honestly, for me to get this done, for this to happen, that it makes me more spiritual to the path that I took and the improbability at four or five points in that path where it was like 100 to 1, and I won.

35:18It's like I won the lottery four times in a row on certain things that had to happen to get this done. So I got it done. But then everybody's like Monday morning quarterbacking the bill and saying, well, you should have done this. You should have done that. You could have done this. Why didn't you give the standing to Congress or the victims or whatever? I have two answers to that. Number one, We wrote the bill in one day, from the moment at which I realized it was possible and conceived of how I could get it done, to when we got it in the hopper was less than 24 hours. And we did not consult anybody, frankly.

36:00We did this all on our own here in my office. I tell people the Epstein Files Transparency Act is probably the only bill that's ever past Congress without being touched by a lobbyist or one of the permanent staff here in Washington, D.C., which I call the Deep Congress. We literally got this done, written and put in the hopper before anybody knew it was coming. And that was part of the element of getting this done, was the element of surprise, which I had to maintain. So that's the first thing. We didn't have a lot of time to write it. We wrote it all by ourselves. And boy, it actually worked pretty well.

36:40And then people say, why didn't you do this or that or this? Well, we threaded a needle on this thing. If it had been any more comprehensive, it might have gotten choked down at some point with some objection. I had to get every Democrat to agree to this. And some of those Democrats are honestly, neocon, police state, when they're in the majority, they chair the Intel committee, they chair the Armed Services Committee. Trust me, those people were worried about the Epstein files, those Democrats, and I still got them to do it. So it was, I think, the biggest thing we could do and still get it passed with all of these contingencies.

37:25All right. But here's what we've realized with the benefit of hindsight and also with the momentum on our side. I worked with the attorneys for the survivors. I worked with the attorney general from the state of New Mexico and other attorneys who have been involved in this case and cases like these. And we perfected the first bill. I never anticipated, by the way, that the chief law enforcement officer of the United States would not enforce a law that was passed by both chambers of Congress and signed by the president. But that's where we are. Pam Bynum and Todd Blanchard are not enforcing the law.

38:06So here's what we do. Can I just, just before, I'm sorry to interrupt, but before we go into the second one, because I think that's really worth accentuating for a little bit here. So we got 3 million documents. Of course, there are, as you pointed out, they're heavily redacted, and we know at least has been confirmed redacted in inappropriate, illegal ways, at least a few times where they're not supposed to be. There's more details that you've done a lot of interviews on this, where even when you go to the unredacted rooms, there's redactions there. It's this, but, and correct me if I'm wrong, because this is my understanding of it, that the law is very clear.

38:37There are like a couple of exceptions, like you can redact to protect victims and you can redact like for, for national security or something like that. Right. And now there's just 3 million more documents that they're simply not releasing that are completely in violation of the law. There's essentially no defense, even like I haven't even seen an argument offered as to why it is legal for them to keep that. Correct me if I'm wrong again. So they're just not showing us the other three million. So very, very low key. They have actually, they've covered their ass. Okay. They, they would not tell you there were three million other documents if, unless they thought not disclosing that might get them in jail one day, right?

39:23That's the only reason they're telling you they're only giving you three of the six million, and they don't think you need the other three million, right? And you're correct. For the most part, they haven't given any legal reason for withholding those, with one exception. They have given a very strained legal reason for why they're withholding the documents we care about the most and the documents that they are required by law to release, which are specifically called out in the first bill. We say in the first bill, you have to release internal memos and emails and documents about your decisions, whether to prosecute and whether to investigate.

40:04Because clearly they got on the trail sometimes and then just walked away from the trail. Clearly there were DAs in New York who were urging the DOJ to investigate, to prosecute some people, and they were not doing it. There were decisions made, and that's at the heart of this. Why did they give Epstein such a light sentence the first time? Where are those documents? Somebody discussed that somewhere. We want those documents. Why did they not continue to pursue Leslie Wexner, or Groff, Leslie Groff, who was his right-hand woman, not a victim. Some of these victims were caught up in the whole thing, and I'm not blaming them.

40:52But Leslie Groff was clearly one of these people who was just serving men up on a menu from these so-called modeling agencies. She was in that pipeline making that happen. And they had her listed as a co-conspirator on these documents. That's another one that they had redacted that we got unredacted. Where was the decision to quit pursuing that? Now, they've made a low-key legal argument. It's like in an informal memo they sent to Congress, but twice I've seen them say this. That's so they can go back and find it and cover their ass one day. They say these are protected by deliberative process privilege.

41:38Now, here's why that does not work. Deliberative process privilege is a figment of the Freedom of Information Act that they came up with to deny you certain things when you do a Freedom of Information request. You'll see some things redacted in your FOIA files, and they'll have a section, a rule abbreviated. Well, it's deliberative process. What they claim is they don't have to show you their homework. They just got to give you the final exam and the result of it. They don't have to show their work. But we put in the bill that you have to show us these decisions. Okay. But we called it decisions, internal memos about decisions in the bill.

42:25And they're exerting deliberative process. And they're saying deliberations are different from decisions. I don't know what their legal argument is that says they can assert that. I can tell you this though, it wouldn't stand up one minute in front of a judge. By the way, this is another concept of law that I hope everybody gets, that a new law, it doesn't have to repeal the old law. We don't have to repeal deliberative process. A new law overrides the old law in every instance where the new law applies. and that is the case with the Epstein files. If you have any doubt of that, three federal judges were asked by the DOJ.

43:13I think the DOJ was hoping for a different answer, but after Epstein Files Transparency Act passed and was signed into law, the DOJ went to the three federal courts and said, can you give us your material, your grand jury material and stuff like that, hoping that they would invoke, I think it's Rule 6E and say, no, you can't have that. All three judges, they went 0 for 3. All three judges says, oh, as a matter of fact, the way law works is when a new law passes, it overrides the old law. And so Rule 6E no longer applies in the context of Epstein files. And here's all the files. And the judges gave all those files to the DOJ and they had to release them.

43:56And so that that's, and so that's why I know this, their, their legal argument for withholding the documents we care about the most will fall flat. So, uh, and then that's also, now we have to kind of, that will be a good, that would be a good pivot into the new law. Okay. Yeah, sure. Well, look, I'll just say this real quick on the old one before, and then let's, let's get to the new one. Um, no, number one, I mean, it is just, it's hard to overstate. I don't know that there's ever been a political scandal that I've ever lived through that's looked worse than this. That's just now I'm even saying short of like it, even with the 3 million documents that have been released, there's still so much that is a question mark.

44:38I mean, there's so much it like when I say like, look, obviously they lot, the administration just lied over and over again. They lied about their promises to be transparent. Then they lied about what they actually had. Then if you remember, there's one point where Pam Bondi claims on camera that there's hundreds of hours of Jeffrey Epstein. She said it was kiddie porn and Jeffrey Epstein himself with children. She made this claim once, by the way. Dave, hold on, tab that. Let me, I got to insert this. She lied to my face in her office in front of Jim Jordan and every other Republican on the Judiciary Committee in front of Todd Blanche, Harmeet Dillon, Dan Bongino, who are all in the room.

45:22And this was the impetus. When people say, why didn't you do this sooner? Because I've never been lied to my face by the attorney general in such a blatant manner. She told me they had a special dinner. I am on the Judiciary Committee. This is just another twist of fate. Why is a nerd from MIT? How does he get on the Judiciary Committee, right? It's because there are gorillas up here in D.C. on K Street fighting about patents. And I've got 30 patents. And in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. So even though I don't have a legal degree, I'm the only person in judiciary that knows what's up and down on patents, right?

46:02So that's like how I got on the judiciary. So what did she say to you? Okay, yeah. And by the way, I tried to clear it with Jim Jordan before I asked the question. On the way over, I said, Jim, I know this is like a getting to know you meeting, and we're supposed to be nice in this meeting, and it's just about making a personal connection with the DOJ since we have oversight of the DOJ in our committee. but I really want to ask this question about the Epstein files because she has released the binders and then there's nothing else. She's saying these. And he said, Massey, you do you. I know better than to try to tell you what to do.

46:49So we get over there and we get done eating. It was a dinner meeting. They have their own China at the DOJ with the DOJ logo on the plate. So you're literally eating off of the DOJ plate. And there's a whole cadre of judiciary members. And it's like, OK, it's question time. And I believe, if memory serves me correct, nobody else would say anything at that moment. So I asked the first question. I think it was the very first question. And I said, you released those binders and some files. When can we, and you said there's more coming. When can we expect to see the rest? And she goes, oh my goodness.

47:35It's nothing but pornography and CSAM material and nobody would want to see it. And what do you say to that? No, show me the pornography, right? Like obviously at that point, I couldn't have a follow-up question. Like, well, but I walked away from that dinner thinking, this is not true. She just lied to me. And so that was the beauty of that lie is that it's the perfect lie to just go, oh, oh, it's all child porn because then it gets any normal person to go, oh, all right. Well, yeah, don't show that to anyone then, man. It's like the one thing you could say that would be like, oh, OK, fine. Like, yes, obviously you don't want to put that out there.

48:17But like, so this is one of the things I would say that's been revealed from the first Epstein Files Transparency Act. One of them is that they were hiding a ton of stuff that was not what Mike Johnson said will bring down the political order or was a threat to national security. It was simply stuff that looked really, really bad that we still don't have answers to. Stuff like his urologist emailing him, bring nine-year-olds in grape soda. Huh? You know, like, what is one to do with that information other than speculate, like, about what the hell is going on here? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is PrizePix.

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50:59Or at least Jeffrey Epstein claimed that and was using it in a draft email that he was maybe going to send to him. Like, again, I'm trying my best here to be open to explanations. But what exactly is the explanation for that? Now, the other thing I got to say that I thought and this was look, if I'm just being completely honest here, the thing that I kind of had in my mind about Jeffrey Epstein before you ever got these files released from what I had known of him was, I think, essentially what a lot of people had. You were like, OK, I know some details about this. this seems really shady. It seems really shady that a guy happens to out of nowhere get hired by Barr's father, who's an intelligence guy, and he gets put at this elite school Dalton when he's really not credentialized for that.

51:42And then just a few years later, he's essentially like a partner at Bear Stearns, and then he's on his own. This seems very intelligency. You know, this doesn't seem organic. And then you have the, of course, what he's convicted for soliciting prostitution from an underage, soliciting prostitution from a child, however you want to dress that up. And so he's convicted of that. These powerful men, he's in this nexus. They still hang out with him. I had heard that there were cameras on his property, and I had heard the alleged Acosta quote about how he's intelligence. And so in my mind, what this always seemed like, what I speculated, as a lot of people did, was like, oh, this seems almost like a Mossad blackmail ring where you're trapping people and then you're threatening them with dirt.

52:25And look, he's so clearly connected to Wexner and Ghislaine Maxwell's father is a Mossad guy. And so this just seemed to me to be the case. Like, oh, he's running like a Mossad type operation. I got to say, once I looked through the files, it almost seems like something different that might be much bigger than that, where I've got like now I've got Alex Dershowitz, Les Wexner and him himself all claiming he's a representative of the Rothschilds who is like negotiating. He's the guy who's connecting the former Israeli head of defense with Peter Thiel. And he's the guy who's connecting Mossad with the Russians.

53:00And I'm just saying, congressmen, you know, when people will say, guys like Ron Paul and you, you never got anything done. You just sit there and say, no, all you do is say the government shouldn't do this next terrible thing that they do that then turns into a catastrophe. But I got to say, you know, looking at the Epstein files, I think probably what you've done here is at least already given us more of a glimpse into how power actually works at the elite level. It's a little bit more than I was taught how a bill becomes a law. You know, it turns out there's a little bit more to it than that.

53:32And I think all Americans should be indebted to you for revealing this. I don't think anybody has ever gotten a bill passed through both chambers with both leaders of both chambers and the president against the bill of their own party, right? Like the path I chose is the hardest path. If you're a squish, when you get here, they give you bills, you have no idea what they are, and you get them passed, and you go home, and you look good, but it was just something the deep state wanted anyway. This is highly irregular, but let me tell you on the Intel thing, that was my hunch and still is, but I introduced five or six documents into the record before we had the Epstein files.

54:16When Cash Patel was sitting in front of me in a hearing in judiciary, again, the fact that this nerd from MIT is able to ask Merrick Garland and Christopher Wray and Dettelbach and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi, they rue the day they ever let me on that committee because in five minutes i i can like show so many things like i did i showed a video to to biden's attorney general of uh who was the guy saying go into the capitol or whatever don't even say his name because then they'll yeah anyway something yeah yeah i'll say it look he was clearly fomenting violence there and he got off with the slap on the wrist or something.

55:07Anyways, I'm the one who showed the video to Merrick Garland and said how many agents or assets of the government were present on January 6th. But anyways, it's a miracle that I'm in that committee. And I introduced into the record in front of Kash Patel, five pieces of evidence in the public domain that showed that Jeffrey Epstein was likely Mossad and CIA. Look, he had meetings with Obama's CIA director. Like that was, that was known already. So that's, that's high level connections, man. I mean, I've tried to get meetings with Obama's CIA director and I've never been able to, you know, it's like, it's not that easy for just anybody to pull these meetings off.

55:51By the way, I want to, I hate to acknowledge the trolls on the internet, but this one is for them. There's not one member of Congress on the Republican side that's done 1 % of what I've done. And right now, the impetus is, the onus, I should say, is on Trump's administration. Just admit it. He has all of the redactions. He's got the other 3 million files. Don't blame the one dude. This is how I know they're trolls. They're blaming the one dude that got all this set into motion, right? And it's up to them now. And then as far, like before we go to the second bill too, as far as like reading the names, they say, oh, those names are already out there.

56:36Yeah, they're in phone books. Are they in the Epstein files? Of course you would expect to see names in the Epstein files of perpetrators. When I read those names on the floor, what I am telling you is I have other information that shows they are guilty. I have to protect my sources. Those people are guilty. They need to be, you know, I'll hold out a 1 % chance that they're not guilty because you're innocent until proven guilty in this country. So, you know, that's why I say they need to be investigated and then prosecuted. But the DOJ is doing none of that. They're not doing any investigations on these individuals.

57:19So yeah, we knew those names. Go look in a phone book. You can find those names. My name's in the Epstein files for trying to get the Epstein files released, right? There is new information, even though those names are findable, there is new information conveyed. And I'm doing so at risk to my health and life and well-being and financial well-being later in life to go out and call out these powerful people as being guilty and worthy of investigation and prosecution. Yeah, no, absolutely. So now tell us about the part two bill and what is that going after? So part two is the bill I would have written with Ro Khanna and Teresa Ledger Fernandez is also a co-sponsor.

58:08She's from New Mexico. That's an important state in this story. That's where Zorro Ranch is. Epstein Files Transparency Act, number two, includes the things that if I had a crystal ball, I would have included in the first one. But I didn't anticipate. You can't know how everything's going to turn out. Number one, it allows the attorney general in the state of New Mexico to use Epstein Files in a prosecution in state courts for state crimes for which the statute of limitations has not expired. And Zorro Ranch is as massive and expansive and is involved in the whole Epstein saga as much or more so than Epstein Island.

58:59Okay, it's got an airstrip. Epstein's former pilot still lives there or did very recently at the edge of the ranch. It is as if they were there yesterday. I'm told there's still a painting, like a naked painting of Jelaine Maxwell on the wall, that all of these books are still on the shelves. And they have gone in there, the New Mexico investigators. But something unprecedented is happening. The federal attorney general is not cooperating with the state attorney general. And this is like unprecedented. Usually it's just sort of a perfunctory, hey, can you send us these files? Yeah. And they get the files within two weeks if they need some help prosecuting somebody.

59:51So this bill, you know, I met personally in my office, the attorney general from New Mexico. He has been stonewalled by Todd Blanche. And so this bill gives him unfettered access to the files so that he can prosecute crimes that happened at Zorro Ranch. Wow. So this has got real teeth on it this time. Like we're going after who we can prosecute. I love this. The real teeth. If you want a prosecution and you and you've given up on Trump's administration, we've got a prosecutor who is ready to go after it. OK. And we've got a crime site that's still there. And, you know, there's a lot of there there.

1:00:34The other thing it does is it clears up this discrepancy. It's semantics. The attorney general is trying to say that deliberative process privilege was not pierced when, if it existed at all, by the way, I don't acknowledge that. it wasn't pierced by our bill when we said that you have to release the files that show your decisions about whether to prosecute or investigate. An unambiguous term says that you cannot assert deliberative process privilege. So that's in the bill. That will cause the relief. And by the way, any judge would say that if you could get in front of a court. And so there's a third dimension to this bill.

1:01:18It gives standing to three categories of litigants in the courts. And by the way, and it doesn't have to be in the D.C. district court. This is like a very lopsided court here in D.C., as you can imagine. You'd much rather you never see a good freedom ruling or justice ruling come from the D.C. district. Right. It's always like Fifth Circuit, Sixth Circuit, or one of these districts in Texas or Kentucky or Ohio or something, never from the Ninth Circuit. I think that's the one out in California that includes so many liberal areas and liberal judges. And so it gives standing to survivors, because here's another category of those 3 million files that are still being withhold, 302 forms that the FBI must complete after they've interviewed a witness or a victim, the survivors looked in these files and they said, I don't see my file.

1:02:16Where's my file? I did an interview. Where is it? Or I see my file, but I need to see beyond the redactions because this was my experience. And I need to know how I was harmed. A lot of time has passed. And I want to know what I said to the FBI and what they also, did they faithfully record what I told them? So those files are missing, but this would give the survivors standing in their own home courts. They don't have to come to Mordor here to file the suit. And then it would give the attorneys general of the various states standing, if Todd Blanch or the next attorney general doesn't cooperate.

1:02:59And it would give members of Congress standing. So I'm really interested in getting this one done before January 3rd at noon when I'm no longer a member of Congress. I mean, I should have also given former members of Congress standing, but it'll be up to the other members of Congress to use this lever. You see, this is an aspect of the law and litigation. I'm not an attorney, but I do know about this. You have to have, it's called either a private right of action or standing or cause. You have to be able, either statutorily, it has to be granted to you, or you have to show you've been harmed in some way in order to get standing.

1:03:43And it's been hard to do that. There is a case that's going forward where one judge did grant standing, and the attorney general is right now contesting the judge's ruling. He's been compelled to release some of the files unredacted by the judge. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Superpower. People are always talking about getting healthier, making New Year's resolutions or plans for the summer to get in shape. If you really want to do something for your health, check out Superpower. This is the future of how people are understanding their health.

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1:05:56You know, speaking of running on this issue, I would say that one of the things that I'm optimistic about in the future is that I do think that we are for all the flaws of a democratic system. We are coming back into another presidential election year. And so many of these issues that you're talking about here, despite the smear campaigns that may have been effective with some boomers and certainly if anything just had the opposite effect with everybody younger than that but the actual issues that you've gotten in a fight over say like not fighting other stupid wars not having reckless fiscal policy that drives us has driven us up to 40 trillion dollars in debt transparency on the Epstein issues these are overwhelmingly popular with super majorities of the American people.

1:06:44And, you know, Miriam Adelson has a lot of money. But I mean, she can pump, say,$30 million or Miriam and other Israel, you know, lobby organizations can pop, can pump 30 plus million dollars into a little district in rural Kentucky. It's going to be really tough to pump that into a thousand different districts all across the country. In fact, I'd say that's impossible. Fox News could have a block out of a congressional primary. It's going to be really impossible in the age of the podcast for Fox News to block out a presidential candidate. So like, if we could get a presidential candidate who was like for transparency, who was a person with some integrity, who had some honesty, who wasn't a crazy socialist and actually believed in Americanism and free markets, I just got to say, man, I think that could really take off and really like change the course of this country.

1:07:32Do you know anyone? Do you know anyone? Yeah, I'm looking at it. Because I got a guy in my way to stop it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everyone else can do this to me, but not you, the most suited guy in the country to do this. Listen, man, I'm just going to say a lot of people are excited about the prospect of you, maybe a Tucker Carlson, maybe some combination, maybe some stuff comes together over these next couple of years. We really try to save this country. Just saying, just a thought, throwing it out there to close the show. Look, I think, I think the ground terrain has to change somewhat.

1:08:01I found myself shooting uphill because the money was aligned against me. The administration was aligned against me and, And three to one, the boomers were aligned against me because they don't have alternate news sources. But I think things are changing. I think there's a reason to be optimistic, not today, not in these midterms, not with these clowns I serve with, but with very few exceptions, but in the future. By the way, let me talk about, before we leave Epstein Files Transparency Act 2, the prospect of getting it passed. So, you know, I'm not going to lie, we caught lightning in a bottle to get the first one passed.

1:08:42We had the nation's attention. We organized the biggest press conferences ever in the history of Washington, D.C. in the last, you know, two decades here on the steps of the Capitol with the survivors. It's going to be hard to recreate that. But there is the pressure of an upcoming election. and people start behaving a little more rationally as far as what their constituents want in close proximity to an election. So we've got that going for us. We've also got some congressmen who've announced they're not coming back. We've got some congressmen who will find out in November that they're not coming back.

1:09:20So the prospects for getting people who are unafraid or have nothing to lose have gone up as well. So here's the math. we need every Democrat, just like in the first Transparency Act, and I anticipate we can get all of them. Almost 50 have already signed by now in less than 48 hours. And we need myself and three other Republicans. And Nancy Mace is already on board. So really, what I need is two other Republicans. And here's what happens when you get the other two Republicans. Every other Republican once forced to vote on it will vote for this. Okay. That's what we saw in the first one. They said it was the worst legislation in the history of the world, right?

1:10:10If you listen to Mike Johnson, and then he turned around and voted for it. Because it's only when you call the question and then they have to put up or shut up. And which side do you want to be on? Particularly if we could get this done before the election, this would be another unanimous vote in the House and the Senate. And if we don't get it done before the election, we've got more people who are lame ducks who might be compelled after November. And if we don't do that, I'm not saying I want us to be in the minority, but I can guarantee you the Democrats are going to put this on the floor if they take the majority.

1:10:52and then the Republicans are going to have to vote on it and they're not going to vote against it, they would be able to get to the president, I believe, a veto-proof majority. And by the way, this is another funny thing. When we did the first Epstein Files Transparency Act, I did the discharge petition on the resolution that took the language from a bill that we decided Ro Khanna would lead and inserted it into somebody else's bill. Like this is a triple Sao Cal type legislative move that I did that most of my colleagues still don't even understand. But at the end of the day, what the speaker did, once I got the requisite votes to force a vote on my thing, is he just called up Rocana's bill, which was the bill we wrote together, but we decided to put my name on two things and his name on one.

1:11:49If you go back and look at history, all these Republicans voted for a Ro Khanna bill. The ones that say, oh my gosh, Ro Khanna is a communist. He's working with this guy. I can't believe he would have anything to do with Ro Khanna. They all voted for Ro Khanna's bill. It's kind of fun to think about. So anyways, it's a real possibility that we can get this done. But I do need two Republicans. And so that's what it's in addition to Nancy Mace. That's what it's going to come down to. And Marjorie Taylor Greene's no longer here. So we need two that weren't with us the first time. But it should be easier for them.

1:12:23They've already voted for it once, particularly for those who aren't coming back. You cannot imagine how scared my colleagues are of Donald Trump. What they will say about him behind his back, they will grumble, they will cuss, they're pissed off, and they will do nothing to cross him or to even do something that he 10%. doesn't like because they're terrified of him. But at the end of the day, there's safety in numbers. Once we get to the requisite votes, right, you can be forgiven for signing the discharge petition because even Mike Johnson is going to vote for the bill most likely. Right, right.

1:13:02No, and I mean, you're right. They are a lot of them are intimidated by Trump, but their cowardice just kind of accentuates the courage that people like you and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and Ro Khanna, who deserves a lot of credit for all of this, too. Congressman Massey, thank you so much for taking the time. I hope you get the chance to do this again soon. Good luck. Thank you for fighting the good fight. And we look forward to your release party where we'll all be celebrating your freedom again soon. I'm like an inmate putting X on the door here. The people who take the next office are going to have to paint over the X's in this office because I'm counting down the hours to January 3rd at noon, but there's also 34 legislative days between now and then, and I don't want to waste any of them.

1:13:51Today I'll be introducing the Flockoff bill, and I'll have something for everybody every week that I'm in session. I love that. I meant to talk Flock Cams with you, but the time caught up on us. Next time, definitely. Absolutely. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Thanks again to the great Congressman Thomas Massey, and we will catch you guys next time. Peace.