J.D. Can't Sell This

33:09and um i mean i just don't know what to say this is just it's too look it's not often you get to say this about our fellow americans but this is too dumb for them they are not dumb enough to fall for this uh and and i i gotta say i think that has been one of the major themes of the week is that because we're going to pivot into talking about jd bounce a little bit here um this is like it's just an impossible situation that they're in trying to sell this as like yeah we did a thing and this is what it ended in and great it's so now it's okay to give iranians billions of dollars like it's just it's too absurd and of course more than anyone else jd vance has been tasked with this um responsibility of selling i mean it's like i I don't even know.

34:03It's, it's that there was, they're like, imagine someone told you, Rob, you have to fight seven John Joneses, just seven of them versus you one-on-one. And you're like, dude, I mean, one of them is an impossible task. So there's just no chance. And I don't know. That's just what it feels like sending JD Vance out to go defend this stuff. What is, I don't even, it, it feels, I mean, I know, I think I said this on the show last week. It reminds me of Joe Biden sending Kamala Harris to the border. like it's just hanging your guy out to dry there is no lane here there's no lane there's no lane to be the kind of like the critic of israel and the israel lobby and forever wars while defending the war in iran what lane is that rob defending the war that only the israel lobby wanted while attacking the Israel lobby because they're doing precisely what all of us who are against the war told you they would do.

35:08So all of us who sat here and said, Israel is dragging America into a needless, costly war. We sat here. You guys smeared all of us, said, screw you. We're with the Israel lobby that's dragging us into war. Then you got dragged into the war. The war is a disaster. Now you're trying to get out of the war and you're going, hey, guys, these these jokers are trying to drag us back into this thing. Yeah, no kidding. I don't know. I don't know, Rob. It's just this man. This is what we kind of knew from the beginning that this is going to be. I'm glad he's doing it. I'm glad they're doing it. But, man, this is painful.

35:48This is a painful L for this administration to take. Well, I'm not going to argue on that. um all right let's let's play so uh jd vance went on bill maher's show and for uh for having the impossible task and even though i didn't agree with a lot of what he was saying he uh and it might just be that bill maher's so stupid you actually get a guest that knows what he's talking about and just says something and bill maher's like oh well you know i'm just walking the middle over here but uh at least jd jd vance i didn't agree with him but he held his own from a political standpoint and came across well he's good at this this is one of the things jd vance is good at um like bill maher type shows cnn type shows he's good at that um i think there's a lot of little things that it like allow that to be the case you know rob like in the same way that i you know i know i've made a big deal about saying this about uh dan bongino um and i know oh he was talking shit because i know it hurt us i said it on tucker's show and i know i knew it would get to him um but yeah i'd bug him but uh i said that i was like well you know forget me it's like i'm not saying like dan bongino's a coward because he won't come debate me or something like that i'm saying like he's the rest of his life he's sentenced to being a coward of everyone like dan bongino can never do a contentious interview he can never do a debate he can i mean he could debate but it would have to be like someone to the left of him or to the to the more establishment than him he's got to be in because you're only like one question away from his entire thing falling apart like hey what's up with the 180 you did on epstein you were saying this then you said this what'd you say you know it's very easy to tell you said you can guarantee he killed himself the files are declassified where's the evidence you know he's got no and in a similar way i think jd vance can do well on bill maher i don't think he can ever do well with you know this is a very big world that you're cutting out now where um even i mean he went on theo vaughn show but even theo vaughn brought up gaza a lot and made him kind of uncomfortable and pushed him into a kind of uncomfortable area there's all of the the if you wanted to do tim dylan or joe rogan or andrew Schultz or Theo Vaughn or if you want to do any of those J.D.

38:12Vance is going to have a much much tougher time he's in an environment here where Bill Maher he's the the host is a dedicated rabbit Zionist who was on board with this war and recognizes that kind of kind of didn't work out we should probably end it now so that is about the friendliest environment that J.D. Vance could have if you ask me to go do a show like this. So, you know. Anyway, let's play the... We got two clips from the show here. Let's play them. Natalie, make sure to, you know, do whatever we can do so they don't... Because HBO messes with us for putting these up sometimes. But come on, man.

38:51Bill Maher. It's Bill Maher. I love Bill Maher. Bill Maher had a huge impact on me. I always do kind of admire the guy for that. But man, he is a liberal. And it is difficult to swallow at times. Anyway, here, let's get into the first clip. Can you tell me you will do that? Will you bring us back to the middle, at least on that, where we concede elections, where it's not either one of those two options? Okay, Bill, so this is where I'm probably going to lose you here. But here's... That happened about eight minutes ago.

39:29look i i i i don't think that we should not concede elections but i don't think that's what's going on i think that if you go back if you go back to the president's core argument he was making an argument about problems that existed in 2020 and here's the problem that i'm most focused on the president i've talked a lot about this and i think we we we share a perspective here, but set to the side the stuff that really gets you and your audience very angry about whether the count was legitimate in Georgia or Pennsylvania or any of these other states. Is it true that large technology companies, some of whom have financial interests that exist outside the United States of America, were they censoring information in the run up to an election?

40:12And set to the side, again, the Georgia stuff, but is - That was litigated. Dominion. The Fox News paid us. Well, I'm actually I'm trying to make the more the more middle ground argument here. The biggest criticism I had at the 2020 election is that you had technology companies that were quite literally censoring negative information about the left and promoting negative information about the right. So in a fundamental sense, like if the First Amendment says that we have a free and open debate and then the American people judge based on that free and open debate, the sense in which I think the election in 2020 was rigged, I'm sorry, is that you had technology companies that were putting their thumb on the scale in a way that completely obliterated the real open debate.

40:57Let's pause it here for a second. This is, you know, Rob, first of all, it's just ridiculous that we're even talking about this. And the fact that Bill Maher even brings this up, this is what is so, it's so infuriating about liberals. And it is just like, there's no one else who's quite like this other than liberals. Like leftists aren't this way. it's a liberal thing where they like um listen part of this is you know the fish doesn't know that it's in water type of deal the bill maher is just and i i am not again we're not leftists here so don't get the impression that i'm saying this as inherently uh negative bill maher has been rich and famous forever forever you know bill maher is i saw bill maher when i was 16 and was like whoa being a stand-up comedian who's talking about politics is that's a really cool thing to be you know what i mean i'm that now i am that i'm a grown i have a mortgage and children and not even babies anymore like children who i have conversations with he's been rich and famous this whole time you know the whole time rich and there is just something and look we all have this to some degree right because in a way we're all rich um we all like there were kings who existed in human history who never had a hot shower in their life you have luxury that the the one percent of the one percent of the one percent for most of human history couldn't have dreamed of um you essentially have magic compared to what what how they lived lives so we all and we take that for granted you know like and it becomes things where when you take a lot of what you have for granted there's a tendency to lose perspective on things that that irritate you and compare them to how big a deal they actually are and look i mean this is a huge huge component of why every institution in this country has had their credibility shattered including just things like the new york times and meet the press and cnn like nobody trusts them nobody watches them reads them anymore um and it's because of shit like this like it's it's like oh i'm sorry bill martin does this Did January 6th offend your sensibilities?

43:37Did Donald Trump denying the results of an election? The guy just led us into the most unpopular war in American history and lost. And lost. It was a global catastrophe, what he just did. You know what people in this country care about? They care about the fact that groceries are unaffordable. They cannot afford anymore to go grocery shopping. They're putting necessities on credit cards. You're upset about the 2020 election? What the fuck are we even talking about? Of course, there's been a clip circulating today about what, you know, Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann denying the 2016 election, claiming Russia interfered and all that.

44:22So, you know, it's OK. So he's a hypocrite on top of it. But just like, honestly, like, who cares at this point? But then and then I'm curious to get your thought on any of this. But then also J.D. Vance is just like, this is the weakest. Like, you guys are also kind of full of shit, too, because it's like, what are you even talking about here, man? Now you're making a claim about tech censorship. It's like, OK, fine. That's a good argument to make. But that's a completely different claim than the claim that Donald Trump's been making for six and a half years. He's been saying that like the election was stolen, that there were more votes in Georgia that should have gone to him.

45:04He's been talking about voting machines and voter fraud and things like that. That's totally different than tech censorship. And honestly, the administration and J.D. Vance and Republicans and all of them would be in a much stronger position if they were just saying what J.D. Vance says now. Just make that the claim. you know it's like it's it's a lot it's like a lot of the 9-11 truth stuff and i know but god i'll get hate on this in the in the comment section because i know i always get those because dave's still so stupid he thinks al-qaeda did 9-11 or whatever but it's like there were so many real conspiracies and really like important um important pieces of of information important truths about 9-11 that all get completely blown away when you start saying it's just holograms and missiles and shit and it's not planes or whatever, then, oh, okay, well, then I guess it doesn't matter.

46:00You know, there's one of the points I think that Scott made on your podcast when he was talking about that, where he was like, oh, well, like, it doesn't matter anymore that Muhammad Atta was radicalized by Natali Bennett calling in these strikes in Lebanon and killing these little girls. That doesn't matter anymore if he was never even in the plane and there wasn't a plane and there was a controlled demolition and all that. Anyway, so you create that. When Donald Trump starts making all these claims about voting machines, it's almost like you let the real scandal get away. And then J.D. Vance could be sitting here as me and you were for years going, yeah, okay, sure, there's no evidence that they actually cheated, but here's all the ways that they rigged the whole system in the year of 2020.

46:46and then you have a really strong argument on your hands. But what you're doing now is you're like, you're doing this weasel thing where you're trying to weasel in the strong argument while not admitting that obviously your boss has been making a whole bunch of claims that are complete bullshit and you're too much of a bitch to just say that. Even though you know it. And we all know that you know it. You can't keep your job and oppose Donald Trump. So that's why he's pulling this little pivot and going, I'm not going to address those things, But let me tell you, the election was, in fact, stolen because largely, I guess the biggest one is they censored the Hunter Biden laptop story.

47:23And I got to say, one of there's a lot to complain about Donald Trump about. But recently, you know, his tax thing was ridiculous that his family's off for taxes and that he managed to cut. He made that they're not going to be audited. And he managed to cut a deal with his own government, with his personal lawyer, Todd Blanche, who's now the head of the AG. writing those carve outs for the irs and that he was suing himself that whole thing was ridiculous you got an issue with that the one thing i really liked about it was that there was one person in government saying uh you know the people on january 6th were done very dirty and i think that they deserve compensation because of the corruption of the bide administration uh it was kind of funny that that was the red line for the republicans was not the agreement that was made, but that we can't be sending money.

48:13I mean, they apparently there was like a behind closed doors screaming match. And that's one of the few times I've seen Donald Trump walk something back and go, all right, I didn't realize this was that important to you. But then he was on the he was on. I saw him on some news show where he goes, I think that the FBI orchestrated that day. And I'm watching that. And I'm like, well, if there's one person that I guess could get out there and prove that it's you. And so on both the election storyline of an election being stolen, you were president at the time you're president now if we don't actually have honest elections in this country where's the fbi department that is working that case right now and is going to prove it and is going to clean it up if you actually think the dominion machines are being run by the democrats and are flipping votes what are you doing about that right now why aren't you exposing that storyline and on the january 6th one if you think that the fbi actually works against the american people to pretend that there's threats of domestic terrorism and that they uh had agent provocateurs that opened up doors and, you know, didn't staff the day properly with security and manufactured an entire incident to undermine your presidency.

49:19That would be a really powerful story to educate people about how the deep state operates and how they're working against your interests. Why aren't you like it just gets to align with Donald Trump that, you know, he's not just a podcaster. He can't. It's ridiculous when he just says, well, I believe, I believe I think it happened. That's it. Well, you're the guy. You're the one person in the entire country that can actually take an agency, go research it and actually prove the story. And the fact that you're not, you know, it just either you're just lying or you don't actually care. Yeah, no, that's right.

49:52I mean, look, dude, you're you're making it's like everybody. The rhetoric on all sides has been dialed up so high over the last few years that it's just But it's like, dude, you're claiming that the election was stolen. That is a fucking serious goddamn claim. You're claiming that the United States of America was stolen from its people. I mean, this is like a... And that we were essentially forced to have Joe Biden, who did not win the election, be president of the United States for four years and be a disaster, as you point out. And all of these things we had... Like, OK, so then you're telling me and this is why even it's like if you follow the administration's own logic, the only conclusion is that you guys are all weak and useless.

50:41You know, you're saying that you came back into the presidency now, you that the Democrats stole America. They stole the overthrew the Constitution and and, you know, essentially had a coup in the United States of America. and now you are in the presidency with a Republican Congress and your own picked Supreme Court and you're going to do nothing about it. Everyone who did that is going to get away with that. No one's being publicly executed. No one's going to jail for the rest of their life. There was a coup in the United States of America. The victim was you, sir, the sitting president of the United States of America.

51:20And we're not going to do we're not going to follow up on that. I mean, And, you know, like that's the most ridiculous one, really. And we probably don't focus on that one as much because we've never really just been believers that the 2020 election was stolen. It was rigged in the way that J.D. Vance says. Yeah, they ran essentially a color coded revolution on us. Yes, they had riots in the streets and they stuffed ballots with right in voter, you know, right in mail in ballots. But again, this isn't a conspiracy. This was all done out in front of everybody. We all watched it together. It wasn't like the censorship regime wasn't a secret censorship regime.

51:58They booted people off in front of all of us. We all watched them. There was someone who got kicked off Twitter. Oh, yeah, you, the president of the United States of America, got censored off of Twitter, right? So anyway, it's not. But you've been making this very this this really wild claim for all these years. And now, yeah, now that you're in, you're doing nothing about it. That's the position that you're here to defend. It's just too weak. Everything from defending the war to just defending the administration's take on 2020. It's just all, I don't know, man. It's just too, it's too wrong. None of it's right.

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54:32I watched a lot of them. And then like the election, just they just went certified. And then like that part never got reported on. uh but and so i was like there's clearly some goofiness going on here but i kind of felt like donald trump was telling us all the way up to the election that the thing was going to be stolen he didn't use his power and resources to prevent it he didn't use his power and resources to then prove it uh from what i understand the court cases that they put together was uh never had substance to it but was basically just to generate the news stories to give him some cover to claim the election was stolen and now after i've seen him lie through his teeth in the second administration I'm more open to the idea that Donald Trump had absolutely nothing to go on when he was making those claims.

55:15But just to bring it home, I still stand by you're the one guy. If you actually think that the FBI did the January six people dirty, please prove it. If you actually think an election was stolen and elections can be stolen, please prove it. That's how you can actually change and make our country better. You just getting on television and making claims, especially when it's in mixed up with claims like the straits will naturally reopen themselves. Oh, the Iranians completely defeated. They don't have a navy anymore. You know, you've just made too many claims that were completely ridiculous that you just 100 percent swear by that.

55:51I guess, you know, the storylines that I'm more interested in, such as we don't actually have a democracy and elections are stolen or, hey, the feds did people dirty on the day, which I even believe to be true, but like the fact that Donald Trump's saying it is a meaningless statement. Yeah. No, it's in some ways it's worse than not saying it. It's like, oh, so you know this and you're not doing anything about it. All right. Here, let's play the end of that little clip, see if there was anything else in there, and then go to the other one. Exchange of ideas. Now, by the way, it didn't happen in 2024, but it happened in 2020 and it was a problem.

56:26Well, you're going to get a big pat on the back and you go back to the White House. All right. Okay, let's go to the other clip. Yeah, I guess we had gotten through. EU is fundamentally, it says the straits are going to be open, the oil is going to flow. We're seeing that happen already. It's also a ceasefire, which as you pointed out, is always going to be a little messy when you're dealing with the Iranians. But if we make the final deal, then great. If we don't make the final deal, their nuclear program is still destroyed. They're still much weaker as a country. So my attitude is America wins either way.

56:56But I do think that what the president has done, has asked us to do something that, frankly, nobody in 47 years of dealing with Iranians has done, which is offer them an opportunity to fundamentally transform how they behave with the West. They've been the largest state sponsor of terrorism basically since they began as a nation, or at least as an Islamic republic 47 years ago. He's saying, look, if they're willing to change, we're willing to change too. If they're not willing to change, we still fundamentally have all the cards. And I think that's a good place for us to be. But their program isn't destroyed.

57:27The nuclear program isn't destroyed. I mean, I don't know. I don't know any of our objectives. And look, I said what part is not destroyed? Well, we didn't get in there. The whole thing is we have to get in there and see or the rest. We wouldn't be doing this. Well, let me say we did. First of all, so a nuclear program and I'm hardly a nuclear scientist. I'm a lowly politician. But the thing that you have to destroy is their ability to enrich uranium, which has been destroyed. You have to destroy their ability. Well, because you need a functioning centrifuges that can actually spend. We've got to get in there and we've got to get the dust.

58:00And we didn't get in there, so how do we get the dust? So that's actually a separate question. So there's the highly enriched stockpile, which, by the way, was allowed to accumulate over 20 years of previous administrations. That enriched stockpile is something that we want to get. But, Bill, if we never get it and the president wants it and we are going to get it, but if we never got it, it's buried deep underground and they don't have the ability to turn it into a nuclear weapon. So the program is functionally destroyed. We're just talking about can we set them back even further through these negotiations i mean what a load of bullshit just all of it i mean it's just pure lies pure lies i mean even for him to say that the the that stockpile of uranium was built up over the last 20 years well no that's not really true and in fact from everything we know, these are verified IAEA reports.

58:57No, it wasn't until Donald Trump tore up the JCPOA. In fact, it wasn't until a bit after Donald Trump tore up the JCPOA and there were a couple of Israeli attacks before they started enriching up to 60%, which is what the whole thing was, this whole bullshit, was always about from last summer to this summer. And, no, to say he's essentially trying to use the brag of the 12-day war to justify this war. and say, oh, we degraded their nuclear program and sent it back. Rob, you're trying to sell this as this is a good deal because, and what's the only win he can point to? The straight is open. And that's not even true.

59:38And whatever we get, it certainly seems right now, Rob, that this was one of the things that was being reported out by the drop site guys. I do got to give them credit. Every opportunity I get, Jeremy Scahill, and ryan grim man they run a real deal news organization over there and uh they were on that iran is not backing down off charging a fee for the straight of her moose and this is the big fight that's going on right now this is what their reporting has been saying from the very beginning has been the position of the iranian government and this was kind of codified in the memorandum of understanding i'm sorry it's pretty heavily implied if you say you're not allowed to toll this straight for the next 60 days that you are allowed to after that otherwise you wouldn't specify that you can't do it for these 60 and um the you know to celebrate any victory about the strait of hermoose like we had a strait of hermoose where it was open and iran wasn't charging fees before you idiots launched this war i'm sorry man it's like i want to be in the position here where I'm defending them getting out of this catastrophe, but them lying doesn't really make that good of a defense.

1:00:53You know, Rob, I'd be willing to take one for the team, but it actually is a stronger argument for ending the thing to just tell the truth and admit that it was a huge, giant mistake. You know, like Donald Trump, rather than having J.D. Vance in some way, he'd be better off having somebody who could just tell the truth and wasn't scared of getting fired by Donald Trump. You know, well, you just be like, Oh, but if you didn't get anything, then why'd you launch the war? He'd be like, Oh, yeah, that was idiotic. Trump listened to Netanyahu. What a dumb decision. Anyway, we got to get out of this now.

1:01:23Like, it's just, I think it's more effective to just say that. I think if they were honest, we could let it go because then that's actually cleansing. We get some truth of what were the bad mistakes that led us into this war. And prevent them in the future. But if you're just going to go, yeah, we totally won. It was the greatest victory. We got the greatest deal. You're kind of just leaving the door open for Donald Trump to make the next giant, huge mess and pretend like it's the greatest thing that ever happened to us. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's true. And that is a real concern, too. And, you know...

1:02:01Doesn't matter what I do. They all love it. Well, governments like this. You know, government always either screws you coming or going and so there's like this this thing where you know you have something like venezuela and he thinks that's a big success so then he goes okay now i want to go do iran because i'm hot then you have iran and he humiliates himself and i gotta say i'm worried that his response to that will be i gotta go get a win let's go do cuba you know cuba can't you know do what iran can do they're not just keep them straight no i don't think so um i don't think they got anything i mean i don't know honestly that much about the extent of what cuba could like disrupt shipping patterns but no i don't think i don't think they don't have anything like um you know the stockpile of of missiles and drones that that iran has they're a tiny little poor country um and you know i mean not that iran is rich compared to us but they are compared to cuba um just don't fuck up key west i like that place oh yeah you keep your hands off me and rob's key west we love we love going down there sure yeah you can't sleep past 5 45 a.m because there's a rooster crowing in your ear but it's a cool it is a fun town um uh all right any other uh thoughts on on jd vance remarks here before we wrap this up rob i mean i guess i guess i would just you you know, to crystallize like what I've been saying, there is this is too blatant.

1:03:34It's too obvious of a loss. You know, I got to say, I've had this. As I started the podcast by saying, it's like a little bit of a weird moment right now. And I was talking, you know, I'm on vacation with the family or whatever. And so I'm out here and I talked to Scott Horton on the phone this morning for a little bit. And I was talking to him and he was like, I think he was supposed to go on Pierce Morgan today, but then it got moved or something and he told me that and i was like oh you know i haven't gone on pierce morgan in a couple weeks and i was you know i haven't done like a big debate in a while and i almost didn't like as i was thinking about that i was like oh but dude i don't even what are we even debating about at this point what you know like what are we even arguing i'm going back like i feel like if me and what am i gonna do like i was telling you like i mean it wasn't the last I guess it was a couple times ago, but I was on there with with Will Chamberlain arguing to me that the Iranian regime was going to collapse in a month.

1:04:35They're waiting for these guys to get new talking points. They can have you back on to argue with. I know they got nothing right now. Well, I'm supposed to come back and get into another debate. And we're just going to pretend that like that last one didn't happen. Like, like, it's just can we just make these things like you just admit you're wrong? And I don't know. I don't know. It's just very it's it's it's very bizarre. It's kind of surreal. It's like, look, man. all the people warning against this war, you know, I mean, Rob, think about it. I know this isn't the first time I'm saying this, probably won't be the last time, but if you think about the way they tried to drag everyone over the predictions that Tucker Carlson and John Mearsheimer made over the 12-day war, that didn't come to fruition.

1:05:15And then they all happened in this war. It's like everybody who was warning, I don't know how many, people used to mock me, Rob, for using the term escalation dominance so much. They used to go, yeah, yes, yes, we know Dave's position on Iran, latent nuclear deterrent, escalation dominance. Because I would always talk about how we don't have escalation dominance over Iran. It's a major goddamn problem. You launch a war and you don't have escalation dominance. It means things can happen, like what we're living through. Anyway, the more meta thought about the J.D. Vance thing is just that this puppy don't fly, Rob.

1:05:50You can't sell this. You can't sell this as a victory. You accomplished nothing. thing this is it's a fucking war for god's sake people die the human beings are dead lives are ruined family members are going on without their loved ones right now thing cost you know the total cost of thing is going to be in the hundreds of billions of dollars um what did we get for it nothing you say their nuclear program is set back something nothing they never had a bomb they weren't making a bomb this is all bullshit you launched you launched a war you lied through your teeth the entire time and you lost good luck trying to spin this as a victory and this is on the easiest environment to do it on you know a somewhat psychotic zionist show anyway um all right that's it uh for us remind one more time rob where's your where's your uh everyone uh Check out my podcast, the Run Your Mouth Podcast, and go over to PorchStore.com.

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