M.O.U. is Over & Dinesh is Wrong

28:15Like, listen, I'm not, I don't want to commit to this because this is something you'd have to sit down and really think about, but obviously the U S China, Russia are in the top three spots. It's kind of up for debate after that. Okay. So Iran is a, so, okay. So anyway, So this transforms them into being a global power. Now, let me ask you something. How many countries, if you had the opportunity to transform into a global power, wouldn't take it? How many governments, if you were to say, hey, you have a choice between ruling over a relegated, isolated, sanctioned, crippled third world country, or you have the opportunity to rule over a world's power?

29:06How many of them are picking the former? Okay. Probably not too many. and not too many like how many people would turn down a million dollars, like really slim. It's a really small percentage of people who don't want that. And OK, so so you got all that going on right now. Right. I mean, these are two tremendous incentives. It's really, really hard to overstate both of them. Right. Like the it's the who wouldn't want to rule over a global power and who would want to ensure against being sodomized to death. These are two these are two very strong incentives. And we have the track record that they haven't flinched while the greatest power in the history of the world has threatened everything but and maybe even brushed up against nuclear annihilation.

29:52They haven't budged off of any of that. And they have these overwhelming, powerful incentives. And then you have the fact that they just won the war. You know, like, why would you give up on those most like, OK, let's say you had the opportunity to transform into a global power, or you could just capitulate so that the memorandum of understanding stays intact. But like from the Iranian perspective and from the objective perspective, they won the war. Trump is like out of threats, essentially. I mean, don't get me wrong. Obviously, people die when he drops these strikes. Things are destroyed. But I'm just saying like, How many times does it need to be overwhelmingly signaled that they'll take that?

30:42They're willing to take that and keep going. The initial bombing campaign in Iran was huge. Doesn't look like bombing campaigns is going to be able to do this. And again, if it could, right? Like, if a bombing campaign could get them to capitulate, then what's with all, what is this? Remember when the idea that this war would be months long was ridiculous? Look at where we are. Remember when we weren't supposed to ever get here? Okay, why have we been waiting? if there is a card to be played that Donald Trump can play that gets the Iranians to capitulate, why has he not played that card yet? He threatened to take out every bridge and tunnel.

31:37Their civilians were wrapping themselves around the bridges. Okay. Like what's the play here that gets them to capitulate? And if he has one, why hasn't he played it yet? That doesn't seem to be heading up. Let's go to the next clip of Donald Trump from this morning.

31:56You know, when people say, how come they haven't taken over? They can't take over because they're dead. They killed them. Nobody's going to take over. They have no guns. And the other side has machine guns and they're killing them. The press doesn't report it, but they're bad people. They're bad people. And frankly, I don't want to waste my time with them. Now, Now, I'll let our wonderful negotiators keep talking if they want, but I don't see it. I don't like these people. You know that? I like him. I like the leaders. I like, I think all of these leaders, you know, when people say, how come they have?

32:31That's what he's got. I mean, it's just, there is something about this. I mean, it's different. I'm not saying it's exactly the same thing, but it does. I did think that this moment felt a lot like Joe Biden events at the end of his presidency. Do you remember when they would have an interview or something with Joe Biden where it was just so... Even if you don't like him, you feel bad that they're doing this to him. Just so weak and embarrassing. I mean, this is what Donald Trump is left with here is I don't like them. They're mean. they're they're wrong just the way they're handling themselves after i launched a war of aggression against them and and they're you know and and his comment here you know i mean dude it's like you launched this war you lied your way through the whole thing i've been talking about how much we're winning the whole time how a deal is about to come how many times is he told us a deal is done.

33:40Now he's just sitting here talking about there's such bad people that you can't make a deal with them. Oh, the people can't rise up and take the government because they killed them all. You told them to rise up? Then maybe it wasn't the best idea to launch a war. I thought we were getting regime change. I thought we had already accomplished regime change. I mean, like, how do you sit here you know if there was consensus on one issue in this country man it was that we didn't want another stupid war you launch another stupid war the one you and your director of national intelligence and your vice president had been running against you launch the war you lose the war and then you come back and cry that they're mean they're bad people they're not negotiating in good faith after we snuck attack them twice while we were negotiating and then murdered 200 of their little girls.

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36:12Last month, you said Iranian leaders were very rational people, nice people to deal with, strong people, smart people. Today, you said they were scum, sick people, and being led by sick people. What changed and do you think— I got to know. I've said that about a lot. Now, when you say rational, I think they're much more rational than level one, level two. Level one is gone. Level two is gone. This is level three. I think they are more rational. But based on their actions over the last week or two, they're not doing a service to the people. And I think more than anything else is I got to know them.

36:50And I'm not sure I want to make a deal with them. We can play games, but I'm not sure I want to make a deal. Let's just finish the job. Yeah, please. Yeah, you know, that's the thing, guys. Donald Trump just doesn't want to play games. I just don't want to play games. I don't even want to make a deal. Oh, I thought that we've made 25. So we've made 25 deals and had a victory declared 73 times. The straight's been open. Wasn't the straight supposed to just open up by itself? Ay, ay, ay. Now, look, I do think it's worth just the, you know, one of the lies, because there's so many. I mean, look, this entire war has been sold off lies.

37:36Everybody selling it to you has either been lying to you or has bought lies. But this is a particularly important one to focus on. This absolute bald-faced lie that level three, by the way, I'd love to see the science on how you exactly determine level one, two, and three. But the idea that level three is more reasonable, there is like, there are more reasonable this claim that, of course, was like a face saving claim so that he could make a deal and get out of there, which is why he has to go back on the thing he said last week, as he always does. um there the the idea that there is any reason to believe that the current people in charge of the iranian regime are less radical than the dead ayatollah is just but you're telling me that the regime who just literally what we have right now okay the situation right now and and And this is for particularly for people who have like are somewhat familiar with the Iranian conflict over the last 25 years where U.S.-Iranian relations have been.

38:52But just to say this, imagine that you're trying to tell me. So as of last night, OK, as of last night or I guess as of yesterday, the Iranian this is the position this Iranian regime is in. They've survived the war. They've won. There's a war of regime change and the regime is still standing. Donald Trump said the people will rise up and rule their own government. The people are right where the fuck the people have always been this entire time. The strait is under Iranian control with an agreement that in 60 days, there's no restrictions on them charging tolls on it. The world is now recognizing them as a global force.

39:35Countries are making deals with them. And America is looking for a way out of this war that they started against the Iranians. And think about the position that the Iranians are in. And then the Americans go, we're going to have our military guide some ships through here. And they go, no, no, no, the ship's got to come through here. And then they just guide them through there. They went and shot at those ships. That's where the Iranian regime is right now. Even sitting on a big fat W, because they're sitting on a big fat W, they went, nope, we'll go back to war over this. That's the Iranians that we're looking at right now.

40:10The Iranians who are vowing to take out desalination plants, the Iranians who are not backing down on any of this shit. Compare that to an Ayatollah who called ahead before he sent missiles at a base that was unoccupied and had a holy fatwa against nuclear weapons. There is no world in which this government is less radical. than the previous one. And I don't know, it's kind of important to point that out because this is, this may not be like the biggest, sexiest lie of all the lies that Donald Trump has, has, you know, told about this war, but it's a big one. And it's an important thing to realize because look, I look, I don't know.

41:00I'm not going to try to, um, you know, I'm not trying to turn this into an I told you so in the next segment, it might be unavoidable. But this is why so many of us were, were born in against this war to begin with. There is, you have, you have created a more radical Iranian regime and that's objectively obvious. Like just again, just looking at what they do. They use the, the, the old Ayatollah used to make sure he gave advanced notice because he didn't want to kill Americans in the base. Cause he knew that could maybe lead to a war. These guys are not doing that. Um, look, the bottom line is kind of this.

41:50There was, um, Okay, nobody wanted this war, except for the Israel lobby, some people in weapons companies, and the Trump administration. American people didn't want this war. No one with any common sense wanted this war. And Trump's coalition, which has now been destroyed, largely didn't want this war. But they launched it anyway, and here we are. It's all been based off lies. The whole goddamn thing is bullshit. It's been an unmitigated disaster. And now this memorandum for understanding is falling apart. Now, Donald Trump is. He's in a position. You know, let's let's just look at this, right?

42:41Even as Donald Trump is OK, he wants to sit here and say that the regime is less radical. OK, right. OK, fine. They're so much more reasonable and yet you still can't make a deal with them. And OK. Even what we're talking about now, the only major problems that even exist. I mean, what's keeping us in this? The problems that are keeping us embroiled in this conflict right now are the Strait of Hormuz. This is, of course, the one that just popped off last night. The other major issue is the war in Lebanon. Of course, because when we launched this war in Iran, our dear friends who drug us into the war, they took that opportunity to launch a bonus war.

43:26Because even though it was against U.S. interests, even though we didn't want them to, they launched a bonus war and they're now occupying southern Lebanon and talking about how they're going to keep it permanently. And they've killed a whole bunch of people. According to some reports, more people than have died in Iran have died in Lebanon. I'm not sure if that's right. But anyway, we got the war in Lebanon and we got the Strait of Hormuz. Listen, how can you hide the fact that neither of these two things were problems before the war? The war that you launched that nobody wanted. Neither of these things were problems.

44:05Dude, nobody's even thinking about nuclear dust right now. Enrichment levels. This is a joke. Are the 60 days going to be enough to reach a JCP away? Well, it looks like the memorandum of understanding is over, according to Donald Trump right now. So, I mean, listen, they obviously the administration already backed off of ballistic missiles. They already backed off of enriching uranium at all. They already backed off of the dust. They already backed off of all of the war goals, all of the war. So let's just be clear here, OK? We've walked away from all the goals of the war. We're not even talking about trying to get any of that stuff.

44:48Now we're just talking about the straight and reigning Israel in in Lebanon. It's not even the same thing anymore. And so look, if this is true, that the memorandum of understanding is over. And just to be clear again, when Donald Trump says it's over, that means absolutely nothing. Again, the point I was making before about what I would teach my son, you're going to need your word one day. That might really come in handy. Actually, if Donald Trump wanted to make a deal with the Iranians right now, man, could he really use his word? It's a shame he doesn't have it. You know, listen, this is that might sound kind of I know in some ways that almost it sounds naive to the layman to be like, what is your word matter, Dave?

45:31This is high stakes. You know, this is geopolitical negotiations at the absolute highest level. But they're taking your word for it. Actually, that's how it works. Yes, I know it may. If you don't know it, listen, Kennedy got on the phone with the Russians and said, if you pull the nuclear war heads out, if you pull the nuclear missiles out of Cuba, we'll pull our nukes out of Turkey. And it saved the fucking human race. It's the reason we're not all dead. Okay. So like, yeah, actually, your word does really matter, even at the highest level, especially at the highest level. Okay. Anyway, sorry.

46:07I digress. But if the memorandum of understanding is really over now, OK, well, then, hey, here's the situation. Donald Trump is saying, hey, I'm done dealing. And he said something earlier about like I might I might finish him off back to that threat. Now, first off, I would let you know that if we're talking about saying I'm going to finish them off as an exercise in scaring them into capitulating and agreeing to something. why would they do that now why would that work now from a just to be clear much stronger position than they were in after a month of the war when Donald Trump first threatened that a couple months later they're way better off than they were I was reliably told by Will Chamberlain that they would collapse by now but any that didn't believe it or not that didn't come true oh my god I don't know if you if you guys any of you saw my Pierce Morgan episode the other day which again it wasn't like my favorite episode is a little bit of a wasted one, but, um, not nothing against anyway.

47:08It's just the topic of like the, uh, all the stuff about soccer just didn't interest me that much. Um, but, uh, there's the one point at the end of it where what's his name? Who's on the show with me? Uh, the sports guy, um, uh, clay clay Travis, I think his name is, he was on the show with me. And then at the end of it, he's been one of Trump's like, you know, cheerleaders this whole time. And then at the end of it, he goes, look, you know, I think we've just come to the realization that you're not going to be able to achieve regime change without boots on the ground and that that could lead to huge losses of life.

47:38And you're like, oh, my God. You could see me out of it just getting frustrated. You're like, oh, if only someone could have thought of this before. If only we could have known that you can't achieve regime change through the air alone. Anyway, but if this is the case, the memorandum of understanding is over. Donald Trump goes, well, yeah, if they won't deal, then we're going to hit them real hard. We're going to hit them real hard. Okay. Again, if that's not to try to get them to capitulate, then what's it for? We're going to hit them? These are our options. These are our options. We can just bomb up a bunch again.

48:14Let me just humbly suggest that there is an alternative option. And that is the obvious one. It's the walk away plan. Jeffrey Sachs pushed this a couple months ago. I know Daniel Davis has been pushing this for a while. A lot of brilliant guys out there have been saying this. And at this point, it's pretty obvious that they're right. How about this? We don't got to sit here. We don't got to listen to idiotic J.D. Vance, you know, press tours trying to tell us how it was a really great idea to launch this war. And that's why we got to surrender now. Just idiotic stuff. You don't need to defend the memorandum of understanding.

48:54The conversation's kind of over. We have to end this war. We cannot open the strait. Let's leave. Let them figure it out. It's more likely to open the thing up at this point than not. We don't have to guarantor or organize or commit to a$300 billion reconstruction fee. Let's just leave. Just walk away. It was the war that nobody wanted, that this administration launched, then lost, then lost again, and then capitulated. Now they're trying to sit here and say, hey, those guys are mean. General rule of thumb. In fact, Smith's law, not a rule of thumb, a law. When you launch illegal wars of aggression, you don't get to end them saying that guy's mean.

49:54I don't know if that's a law. Now that you mentioned it, it's not really a law. It's a thing you shouldn't do. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is CrowdHealth, a longtime sponsor of this show and a company that I really love. Summer is in full swing, beach days, barbecues, and finally enjoying life without the constant stress of broken healthcare. Well, what if you could lock in real medical freedom for under$100 a month. You've heard me talk about CrowdHealth in the past. Now they've made it even better with their Black Swan membership, the no BS alternative for people who want control over their care, their costs, and their lives.

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53:04I mean, there is, I don't think I'm completely wrong about this. Like I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't carve it into stone. And obviously there are, there are people like say, Hey, if you ask me, Hey, Tucker Carlson supported the war in Iraq. Why doesn't he have to go away for that? Which he gets into Tucker in the video. So it's, but, but obviously my answer for that would be that like, Oh yeah, because he changed his mind profusely apologized and has opposed every subsequent war. So, okay, that's a good example. But like, if you just like, you know, you argue with some of these people like who have so many of them, I've debated a lot of people.

53:38I've debated several people who are on record having supported the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Libya, the war in Syria, the war in Yemen. You know, and now they come at the war in Ukraine and then they come out and they go, I'm supporting the war in Iran. And you just look at a certain point and you're like, why are you even allowed to talk to me? Maybe that's not the best thing. I mean, I still go out there and give arguments and stuff, but anyway, I did make that comment. And so he, he was responding here in this segment. So let's check in on Dinesh and we'll, we'll give our thoughts on it.

54:11But first I want to take note of the fact that the libertarian pundit, Dave Smith, who calls himself somewhat mysteriously a comedian said I should retire from politics. Pause it for a second. I was wrong about that. You rock low blow to Nash low blow. What? I do standup comedy. I've been doing standup comedy for 20 years. I'm also a political commentator. They always have to find a way come out to a show sometime to Nash. You'd have a good time. But yeah. Okay. Anyway. Yes, that's true. I was not trying to be funny when I was debating Dinesh D'Souza. I call myself a comedian because I am a professional stand-up comedian.

54:50I've got a list of dates on my website. Please come on out because I got a lot of seats I'm trying to fill. And yeah, I don't know. It's mysterious. I'm not funny when I debate Dinesh D'Souza, but I can do stand-up comedy and then I can also kind of eviscerate Dinesh D'Souza in a debate. So it's the unique skills that I have. Anyway, let's keep playing. Or basically, I supported the Iraq war because of apocalyptic claims from the Bush administration. And I changed my view once I realized these claims were dead wrong. Dave Smith thinks this ends my credibility. But what about his credibility and that of his allies?

55:31Okay, so pause it for a second here. So, I mean, of course, look, obviously, that's like the nicest way to say it. But what am I saying? Like, what am I really saying? Am I really saying Dinesh D'Souza shouldn't be able to have a show anymore or something like that? No, of course not. And I'm obviously not saying like, you know, there should be any law or anything like just be too hard to work out. But look, when he goes, I supported the war based on a bunch of information that turned out to be wrong. And so therefore I changed my mind. It's like, yeah, you supported a war of aggression against a country that had not attacked America based on intelligence that was clearly bullshit to anybody willing to look at it.

56:16OK, you supported a war of aggression based on lies. And that war resulted in over a million people dying, trillions of dollars being wasted, massive destruction to this country, thousands, tens of thousands, if you count the ones who commit suicide in the aftermath of our bravest young boys being killed. Like, that's the result of the policy you supported. So, like, I don't know. I would think, yes, there should be some major impact on you from that. And I'm sorry, but, like, I can't relate to that. There's never been a policy I supported that was then implemented, and then that was the result of it.

56:54So I'm not sure exactly how that would feel, but sure. Yes, are you telling me your credibility should take no hit? What should, like, meet me in the middle here, Dinesh. Should there be any repercussions at all? But anyway, he's going to now try to set up that, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a million people killed, but what about you? All right, so let's continue. you. If his allies like Tucker Carlson, Dave Smith has repeatedly said that, and I'm quoting him now, quote, it's genuinely hard to imagine a worse decision than going to war with Iran. They pose absolutely no threat to us, and the war would be a substantially larger catastrophe than Iraq.

57:37In fact, he says it would quote. Here, here, let's, let's, let's just, I'm sorry, bring this back a little bit. Is he pretending to be quoting me here? Hold on, hold on. Let's, just bring this back to this last second. I want to see, what is he saying my claim is? Hold on. He said that, and I'm quoting him now, quote, it's genuinely hard to imagine a worse decision than going to war with Iran. They pose absolutely no threat to us, and the war would be a substantially larger catastrophe than Iraq. Pause it. Pause it. Wait, hold on, hold on. Is he, I'm sorry. Is he claiming I said this or is he claiming Tucker said this?

58:14I'm sorry. I apologize to the viewer and to you, Natalie, but he's saying I said this. He's saying I said and quote. Okay. I'm going to need to see that quote. Here, bring it back to the beginning because I want to hear this again, Natalie. Let me just double make sure because he said my friends with Tucker Carlson, is he claiming I said this or Tucker said this? I want to hear the exact quote. But first, I want to take note of the fact that the libertarian pundit Dave Smith, who calls himself somewhat mysteriously a comedian, said I should retire from politics. Why? Because I was wrong about the Iraq war.

58:47Basically, I supported the Iraq war because of apocalyptic claims from the Bush administration. Then I changed my view once I realized these claims were dead wrong. Dave Smith thinks this ends my credibility. But what about his credibility and that of his allies like Tucker Carlson? Dave Smith has repeatedly said that, and I'm quoting him now, quote, it's genuinely hard to imagine a worse decision than going to war with Iran. They pose absolutely no threat to us and the war would be a substantially larger catastrophe than Iraq. In fact, he says it would quote, it would quote here, I'm sorry, play this.

59:24It would quote, destroy the USA. And here's Tucker Carlson. Pause it, pause it. Okay, so again, okay. When I said it, I'd like to see the quotes on this, like actually play like where he's clipping from. I know the quote he's talking about when he said it would destroy the USA. What I said was not if we bombed around that would destroy the USA. I said like another 20 year Iraq style catastrophe. Like we don't have another one of those in us. So like we don't have the option, like the way we did, this is on Pierce Morgan when I was debating Constantine Kassin, I remember this well. I said that, I said, we don't have that in us.

1:00:02So like we can't, another Iraq war would destroy this country. So, again, I haven't been proven wrong on that. And I don't know. Is anyone trying to argue with me about like, are we going to run the experiment of having another 20? I'm sorry, we're talking Iraq here now. But are we going to run the experiment of having another like decade long, you know, catastrophe where we spend two trillion dollars and kill millions of people and then see where the United States of America is left after that? OK, at the very perhaps I'm being hyperbolic, but severely distraught. And I believe actually. Pretty sure I'd like it's helpful if you use real quotes here.

1:00:37I believe my exact quote on Piers Morgan, now that I'm thinking about this, was I don't know if we've survived that. I believe that was my exact quote. So actually, I think I even caveated it there in terms of me saying this will be worse than Iraq. I again, show me the quote. What I said was that Iran is a much tougher target than Iraq and that potentially it could be worse than Iraq. And that, yeah, if we tried. And again, the point that I was making, he's being very sloppy here with with his quotes of mine. But the point that I was making is, look, obviously, the situation with Iran, what do you think would happen if we invaded Iran the way we invaded Iraq?

1:01:16a much worse bloodbath, obviously. But look, that is almost neither here nor there, whether or not he's, you know, like he's clearly being very disingenuous with the way he's strawmanning me here. I don't think I got any of these things wrong. Nonetheless, zooming out a little bit, and I'll get to the end of this here, but these things are not comparable. Like, these things are just not comparable. Like, I'm sorry if you like hypothetically, if you were to say you're you're in your house, let's say we live in a house together and I got a gun and I go, dude, I think that the the guy next door is stockpiling guns so that he can come in here and kill all of us.

1:02:09okay so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go kill this guy before he can use all those guns that he's stockpiling to come kill us and then I run into the the next house and I shoot it up and I kill an entire family and a whole bunch of innocent people die and then I find out he didn't have any guns at all he was never stockpiling guns to come kill us this was all just completely unnecessary just innocent people dead for absolutely no reason. And, uh, and then you were to go like, dude, that's like so horrible that you did that. You should never be listened to again. We're never going to listen to you again.

1:02:46If you have a plan to do something, cause my God, that was your last plan. And then I said, Oh yeah. Well, what about the time when I had another plan to go run into a different house and go kill a bunch of people who I said were stockpiling weapons. And you said, if you do that, it'll be a disaster. And then I shot a couple of people in there and it wasn't a disaster. Those are not the same thing. Those are not the same thing. It's not, you got one wrong. I got one wrong. What are you talking about, dude? You're wrong led to a million people dying. My wrong, which you haven't demonstrated at all, led to nothing.

1:03:25Like, like, even if you support the 12 day war and support this latest war in Iran, What is the catastrophe that would have happened if we hadn't fought either of them? Are you reduced to Donald Trump going, they would have nuked the entire world right now or something like that? See, you, in order to point to the catastrophe of my mistake, you have to make up bullshit. I'm looking at real history. Your policy was implemented and it resulted in this. My policy was not implemented here. My policy would have been don't fight the war in a round. but we all know what would have been the result of that nothing nothing like i mean who is honestly you know for anyone to convince you that if we just hadn't fought the 12-day war or we just hadn't fought this latest war in iran what would be different iran would be nuking the entire world iran would be no one believes this shit so again the price tag of your policy a million people hundreds of thousands of babies screaming as they, you know, lay on their mother's corpse.

1:04:29That's the tag of your policy and the tag of my policy, nothing. Misquote me all you want to. It kind of doesn't change those fundamentals, Dinesh. This is why you don't win the debate when it's head to head. Let's play the rest of this. USA. And here's Tucker Carlson. Quote, it's worth pointing out that a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly result in thousands of American deaths at bases throughout the Middle East. Tucker predicted a wide scale war in the region that would draw in Russia and China and potentially escalate into World War Three. These guys have been spouting this nonsense for a year nonstop, and they couldn't be more wrong.

1:05:10Now, it's OK to be wrong. Pause it. Pause it for a second. It's so funny, Dinesh. It's such a snaky, really. And I like Dinesh. I don't like personally dislike him, but this is a slimy move. If you're talking about me and the claim I made about how you should go away, and then you're like slipping in a quote of Tucker Carlson and saying, these guys have been saying this stuff for years. Now, first of all, yes, Tucker Carlson, he was a little bit hyperbolic in that statement. Again, as we've talked about before, the spirit of the thing was saying, if you attack Iran, it'll result in this big disaster.

1:05:46And yeah, that part did come true. Excuse me, since you're talking to me, Dinesh, and here, this will be a public challenge I can issue to Dinesh. You tell me what I've been saying for the last year. And I want specific quotes and I want them verbatim. What have I been saying this last year? Because everyone here listening to the show, you've been hearing me. What have I said, you know what I said? My phrasing since the 12-day war has been, we're at halftime. How wrong was that? That we were at halftime. We were at halftime, meaning another war is coming. And then it came. What have I been wrong about?

1:06:27I'm sorry, dude. But like, I understand that people, there was this thing like before the 12 day war. Now, by the way, if you notice in any of these videos, they, he, he didn't quote me before. He, he's told, and it was totally misleading in the one quote that he had, which is like, not what I meant by it. But they never quote me because I haven't been wrong for the last year. Please, if I've been wrong about something for the last year, tell me what I've been wrong about. What have I been wrong about? That we wouldn't that this war would be a disaster to launch. OK. Anyway, here, let's let's keep playing.

1:07:06And they couldn't be more wrong. Now, it's OK to be wrong, but at least one should admit when one is wrong. Yet we have waited in vain for any confessions, any apologias, any mea culpa's from these pundits. They simply move on from one false claim to the next Candace Owens style. I mean, again, this is I move on from one false claim to the next. Dinesh, what is the false claim? You said a Tucker Carlson quote. You're saying is your claim that I said this would be worse than Iraq and it's not worse than Iraq. Therefore, I got it wrong. again first of all play the tape show me exactly where i said this because i i just what you know what i'm saying like i'm remembering the one from the constantin debate uh i did not i don't think about record saying this will be worse than iraq if if i did please show me where i said that and if i was wrong i'll i'll happily admit that i was wrong i don't think so i don't think you got the tape on this i don't think you got and then also of course there's the other point here which is that, you know, I don't know.

1:08:11You tell me if I say to you, Hey, we have to go fight a war for reason X and it will work out Y. And then I go, uh, and, and X is a complete lie. And Y is a complete lie. It doesn't work out that way. It's a disaster. And it was based off lies. And then I, and then you're about to launch another war. And I go, don't launch this war also because it's based off lies. And it's going to be even worse than that last war, but it's not worse than that It's a disaster, but it's not worse than that last war. Was I wrong in the same way you were wrong? I mean, is this what you're reduced to, Dinesh? Come on.

1:08:46I'm sorry. But like, it is to equate, which is what you have to do here in order to call me a hypocrite, to equate supporting a war which you yourself admit was sold off lies and led to a disaster. Supporting that war is different than opposing a war and being a little bit hyperbolic while you oppose the war, which is what Tucker's guilty of there. Not me, but that's what Tucker's guilty of there, I suppose. Being a little hyperbolic when opposing a war, that also ends up in a disaster. Is that what Dinesh is reduced to claiming are the same things? So I'm a hypocrite because I think Dinesh D'Souza shouldn't be taken seriously because he supported a policy that got a million people killed.

1:09:34But I don't feel the same way about Tucker Carlson for rightly opposing a policy that senselessly got a bunch of people killed and also slightly exaggerating what the devastation would be. Nah, I don't think they're the same, Dinesh, but happy to happy to talk or debate about it again. Listen, my friend, with respect, I say to Dinesh D'Souza, this is this is why these arguments don't move the needle. and I saw that there was a there was a poll that came out after me and Dinesh debated and it was one of these things where you know I I mean I was like overwhelming I think it was 85 percent or something said that I won the debate and again as I say with all these things I think Dinesh D'Souza is a more talented debater than I am I think Dinesh D'Souza is a more talented rhetorician than I am this argument's just too weak that's all I got a real advantage here this stuff's just too weak.

1:10:30All right. Gotta go. Uh, we'll have a members only episode out this weekend and then we'll be back at it next week. Enjoy yourselves guys. Peace.