Mark Levin Loves Censorship

28:28But this is where you really get trapped in the escalation trap in the fog of war or whatever where, okay, so you can't do that anymore. But what can you do? It's hilarious to hear Marco Rubio essentially saying that this is illegal. These are international waterways. This is not Iranian territory. It's illegal for you to say which ships can come and which can't, and they can only come if they get your permission. And that's why we're blockading the whole thing. Like, okay, well, it's certainly not American territory, so it's just as illegal when we do it as it is when they do, but the difference is we don't live there.

29:08And as I mentioned last week on the show, the Pentagon told Congress that it would take six months for them to open the strait militarily, and that that would only happen after the war. So in other words, we don't have the ability to force them to open it. All we can do is force it closed. But closing something doesn't solve the problem when your desire was to open it. This is really complicated math here. You got to be like 150 IQ stuff to really understand this. So essentially, all we can do is keep playing this game of chicken, where even less is getting through the Strait of Hormuz because of our naval blockade, and hold the world economy hostage.

29:53What is, like, again, as I said, the only alternative to this is that the Iranians have to just buckle. They have to capitulate, and there's no indication that that's going to happen. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Stopbox. Love Stopbox. It's a great product. Let's be real. Owning a handgun for self-defense comes with serious responsibility. You need it secure, but also accessible when it matters most. Too often, that means choosing between locking it away or leaving it out, vulnerable to kids, guests, or intruders. That's the problem Stopbox USA set out to solve, and they nailed it with the Stopbox Pro.

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31:41All right, let's get back into the show. It's like a formal announcement of a whoopsies here. Hey, guys, we can't just move on because we made Iran a world power. Interesting thing to note, and I might not have all the specifics perfect on this, but it's not exactly an international waterway. Based off maritime law, it's kind of like duly owned by OMA. and Iran because of how close it is to their shoreline. Now, there was an international treaty that allows for something like a critical passageway. Then I guess the typical law of how close you are to someone's shoreline doesn't apply and they have to let you pass.

32:17But here's the kicker. Iran's an international pariah. They never signed that thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Oh, this is what happens when you don't let a country be in the global community of countries. It's like, OK, but then, you know, you run. You can. I want to make it clear. I'm not saying Iran should run the straits or they should have ownership over the straits. But I'm just saying it's not so clear cut and dry to go, hey, they have absolutely no claim to this thing or right to it. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's a fair point. So anyway, I mean, we're still essentially, I guess, in the same situation, but something's going to have to happen here very soon.

32:58And now I don't know. I mean, we should all pray that what ends up happening is some type of de-escalation here. But man, you know, I really do think, and again, I've been saying this through the whole thing. I mean, look, I said that I thought Donald Trump had destroyed his coalition last June. And I said, no question. I mean, the first day of this war, I was like, well, that's it. The coalition has destroyed. His presidency has ruined. But so, you know, I hear Joe Kent the other day and he's got like the perfect message. For someone who like maybe Donald Trump would hear, you know, and his message is, sir, you you can still do this.

33:41You can you know, he's like Donald Trump is a strong leader. I know a strong leader when I see one and it's going to take a really strong leader to have the strength to end this thing and explain to the American people that we just had to walk away from it. you know, all this. And he said that Donald Trump is uniquely able to survive this and save his presidency. And I'm watching it and I'm like, you know, that's a really good message for Trump to hear. But as I said to Tucker Carlson, I'm just no good at being a political operative. I'm not good at calculating like what is the right thing to say here in order to get this result.

34:19Like I just tell the truth. That's just what I'm comfortable doing. And I think someone, some people have to play that role. And it's just like, that's not true. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I understand that that's a better thing for the president to hear, but I'm kind of confident he's not watching this podcast right now. I mean, I did say this on Tucker Carlson. I was a little nervous when I said it, cause I was like, ah, there's a chance he could be watching this. But the truth is now he can't save his presidency. He can't leave now and save his presidency. I mean, listen, don't get me wrong.

34:50I think he should. I think he can only make it worse by staying. But if Donald Trump were to just accept that and leave now, he is the laughing stock for all of history. His presidency is destroyed. If he did all of this for nothing and the best result we can come up with is, well, he stopped at some point. Oh, man, is that a disaster? I just I still don't see. It's not like he recovers. He doesn't go back to having all those people who supported him in 24 supporting him again there's just no way so unfortunately we're in this awful situation here where like joe kent is saying the best possible thing that could be said but he is wrong it's not true donald trump has destroyed his presidency already and there's almost like um i don't know i'm struggling to come up with one of my bad analogies but there's something of like i don't know remember that movie speed where you couldn't slow the bus down once that had started or something like that.

35:46It's like, if you stop it, you die. It's like, you almost got to keep going just to maybe, at least if he keeps going, he thinks maybe we can pull a win out somewhere. Maybe if we hit him hard enough, we can bring him to the negotiating table or something like that. But of course, it's like behind all of those doors is just a real risk of catastrophe. So, I don't know. If I had to guess, both sides want to play the economic warfare game for a little while. And if Donald Trump flirts with the strike, then you're going back up the escalation ladder. And I think then Donald Trump realizes it's time to walk away or he makes the irrational and horrific decision to just bomb the shit out of the country and give Israel the regime change it was looking for.

36:29And then who knows what that even looks like. You know, if that makes anyone safer 10 years down the line, if Iran's regime is somewhat taken out just because we bombed the shit out of the country. and if that leads to another ISIS or just a more hard-lined regime that, you know, is not a threat for the next five or 10 years, but we got to deal with in 20. Well, it's like what you say, though, right? Because you go, OK, so even if it's just, you know, it's a country of 92 million people, you know, even if you take the expats and the Israel lobby hawks at their word and say, hey, only 10 to 20 percent of the people support the regime.

37:11You're like, OK, well, that's nine to eight million, 18 million people. You know, there's a few hundred thousand in the IRGC, a few million in the in the military there. Yeah, that's got all the makings for a nice Shiite ISIS. You know, like you take you take mullahs, you take theocrats, destroy their state. What are they now? Now they're a stateless militia, otherwise known as a terrorist organization. You know, that's what's so funny about the whole, you know, the whole debate about who the real terrorists are that I've found myself in the front of. It's like, that's the only difference is statehood.

37:48If any, you know what I'm saying? Like if anyone did that without being a government, you would just go, oh, that's a terrorist organization. So yeah, we will see. We will see where all that goes. All right, let's check in with our buddy Mark Levin, friend of the show, friend of the show, personal mentor of mine, and just always goes out of his way to give me props, which I appreciate. So Mark Levin, what can we say about this guy, Rob? He is out here. We're going to play these clips, a few clips, including where he personally mentions me, obviously to sing my praises, but he is out here which I will say this, this is often true of Mark Levin.

38:34There is almost an element about him that you appreciate because at least he says it out loud. You know what I mean, Rob? You know, like when there's, there's been dozens of times where we've played some clip or talked to something and you've made the point that you're like, hey, in essence, what they're calling for here is censorship. And they're using these weasel words to act like they're not calling for censorship, but that's clearly what they're calling for here. Dozens of times you've made that point before on the show. At least you got to give it to Levin. He just comes out and calls for censorship.

39:07Now, he doesn't quite tell the entire truth, which is that, like, I'm incapable of winning this argument if people can hear from them too, but he is at least open enough to go, that's what he stands for. Let's play the clip first of him calling for censorship, and then we'll get into his comments on yours truly. First time things like this have happened, but it really is problematic because so much of it is protected. And you heard people say, don't you believe in the First Amendment? They don't even know what the First Amendment believes. Do you want to de-platform people? You know, the libs do that.

39:44I don't have any problem with de-platforming Nazis or jihadis. I don't have any problem with de-platforming them. What does that mean, de-platforming them? A government law? Can you just pause it already? right here? Isn't it already saying, I mean, he starts by going, oh, isn't that what the libs do? And then it's like, no, I'm fine with deplatforming Nazis. And now he's going to get into his, no, it's not the government. It's a private company doing it. You're like, dude, this is Rob, we lived through this. Identical to the argument that the woke progressives made. Identical. Literally nothing different.

40:22They go, it's a private company. They can do whatever they want, even though it was clearly we now have proof, but it was clearly being manipulated by the government. But they said it's a private company and you're all just a bunch of Nazis anyway. It's literally exactly what they did. Not even a different version. It's so funny when they call he has the nerve to call us the woke Reich or whatever. You're not even you're not even doing a version of the woke censorship. You're doing the exact same thing. Zero difference whatsoever. Yeah, the big problem is, one, if you start floating out just jihadi, terrorist, domestic terrorist, I don't know.

41:01Whatever term you want to throw out, it's up to them how they want to define it. So if they want to declare us as Nazi propaganda, then all of a sudden you've got a right to censor it. And it's not that the government's going to censor it. It's that these are private companies and private companies don't want Nazis or violent extremists on their network as defined by us. But then it's the covid problem once again, where they're not really private companies. If the government is threatening them and going, hey, can you pull the records on this? Hey, we want to see this full transcript. Hey, can you explain to us why this why this wasn't violent extremism?

41:34Can you explain to me why this wasn't giving people false false health information? I mean, this was the COVID thing was some voices were just too dangerous to be heard because we've got this national pandemic. And if we listen to them, people are going to die. And then the government going, hey, we're not telling you what to do, but you mind explaining to us why you aren't pulling this down? And so you got the twofold factor. One, you can't pretend that these are just private companies. They are going to be either pushed by the government or the backdoors through advertisers who are in line with the government of going, hey, we can't we can't be affiliated with this kind of content.

42:12So it's not just a neutral decision of a private company, which, by the way, all these companies are in the market for views. And when all of this information is actually more popular, do you think that the private companies want the most popular programming not to be on essentially their networks anymore? Of course not. There will be censorship from the government and coercion from the government to make sure that that happens. And then it's just the who gets to define these terms. I mean, if if what I'm saying is me being a Nazi and the words of Mark Levin, if that becomes the government standpoint, then great.

42:45You just don't have free speech. Yep. There also is something there's something even like I completely agree with everything you said. Of course, this is an attack on free speech. But even if like you were saying, like, let's just say in a scenario, the government didn't get involved at all and you were just calling for private companies to stop hosting, I guess, literally at this point, he'd be advocating for all of the most popular people in the field of talking about the news. literally he'd want Tucker and Candace and Fuentes and Megan Kelly and me. And I mean like a huge chunk of the top 15, top 20 biggest like people in this thing, he'd want them out.

43:29So let's just like, even if there was no government intervention at all involved in this theoretically, like what a bitch of a man you are. Like just what a, like, I don't know. It would just never even occur. Yeah, like it would just never even occur to me that like, oh, well, what I want is Mark Levin to be shut down. Dude, I'd have Mark Levin on. And I mean this, this is how I feel about platforming. I'd have Mark Levin on this show every day for the next three months if he wanted to come on this show. We could just make this the me versus Mark Levin show. I'll offer him half my show. I would just love to platform these guys more.

44:10I'd love Randy Fine. All of you guys. The idea that you're trying to silence other people and you still see yourself and other people who are surging in popularity, that that's your big response is you want to silence them, not eviscerate their argument. I've never once wanted to silence a single one of the Warhawks. I want them to all speak more. Just let me – just give me the fair shot of also getting to eviscerate every single one of their arguments. That's all I ask. and you know again you know me and you it is personal it's hard sometimes to remove the kind of personal nature of all of this because we do this this is our lives but like me and you built this show from nothing dude from nothing I mean I don't know how many people were listening to each episode when you came on board this show but like maybe 10 ,000 at most were listening when you first came on board, probably less than that.

45:09We've built this into a show now that gets hundreds of thousands of views and is in the top charts and stuff like that. And it's like we Mark Levin had multi-billion dollar companies behind him, pushing him, putting up billboards of him on radio stations, on television networks, on the biggest network in cable news, like all of this stuff. He has such a huge advantage in this race. And we we're all like the fact that you got a call for other people's voices to be removed is just so pathetic. It's just genuinely like I don't understand as a man how you wouldn't be embarrassed to say this publicly.

45:50Let's keep let's keep playing.

45:55x or twitter or facebook or amazon with twitch and so forth says you know what you're a low life we're not you know get off our platform what's wrong with that it's called private enterprise i got no problem with that i mean what if they have this horrific pornography on is that okay no it's not okay what if they have a bunch of uh drug addicts you know shooting up all the time Is that okay? No, that's not okay. Because our kids have access to it. People who are impressionable have access to it. What if they have people screaming at the top of the lungs saying, assassinate this guy and assassinate that guy?

46:29Well, they shouldn't do that. Why? What's the standard? You need to have a standard. What should the law be? I just love this. First of all, I just love Mark Levin. He goes, our kids are watching this. Mark, your kids are 58. How old are you? Our kids? Our kids? of course though it's much easier right if you do make the examples like what are the examples what if they were just doing open drug use or what if it was pornography or what if it was direct criminal calls to for violence yeah or it doesn't sound as good to say or what if they didn't think we should fight this war what if they wanted transparency on the epstein files what if they believed that Israel shouldn't get to have a lobby in the United States of America.

47:19Those ones just don't hit quite the same, right? Like, so in other words, you're using these kind of extreme examples and you're using things that are like, um, I don't know. I, yes. Like how much children, like under 18 children have access to social media or the internet gen generally, there's a, there's a legitimate debate that you could have around that. Something about like obscene drug usage. I wasn't exactly sure what he meant by that. Like people are just posting, Hey dude, shooting up heroin. Here's, I don't know. I don't get it, but, but yeah, but none of that is what we're talking about.

47:54What we're talking about is like he's, he, by the way, he calls me out. They will play litter. He calls me out by name. So about Tucker Carlson. He's talking about me. He's talking about Nick Fuentes, guys like this. What we do is sit in front of a camera and make arguments, agree with them or not. But that's what you're actually talking about here. So this is such weasel trick behavior. Like, no, your issue isn't with any of those things. Your issue is with people making arguments opposed to mine that are landing better with the audience. That's what you wish to shut down. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ultra.

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50:01You know what I mean? You can tell that he's forcing himself to be calm? All right, here, let's keep playing. It's the Constitution, sir. I just think we've taken this too far because we're not even talking about political speech, which is the most protective of all speech. We do limit speech. We limit speech pornography. We limit speech cigarettes on the air. And so we limit speech booze, limit speech drugs, and I could go on and on and on. There's different types of speech. There's commercial speech, right? There's religious speech. There's political speech. They're babbling buffoons. We see that all over the internet.

50:40Most of that is protected too, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the kind of speech that really gets in the head of people who want to do grave damage to other people. Incitement. And I'm not talking about it in an ambiguous way. When you get a guy that talks about killing a senator, oh, I really didn't mean it. Well, when you get a guy that says, yeah, I don't know if there's really rape. Can you prove it? And so forth on October 7th. Well, he's allowed to say that. But in the pattern of what this person is saying, what is it that they're trying to do? Have a real discussion? No.

51:17I don't know he'll say that, but he's not. Okay. Pause it. The overthrow of the country. I mean, what on, even in his example, he said the guy will say, was there really rape on October 7th? I mean, can you prove that?

51:35What is supposed to be appalling about that comment? And this like thing where he goes, it's not political speech. It's not, you know, it's, on what world is what me and you do not political speech? Like, how could you even possibly try to make that argument? And then he's saying it's not this. Then he goes, it's incitement. Well, here's the thing. Mark Levin will be thrilled, relieved to hear this, Rob. Incitement to violence is already illegal. that is not protected speech that is a a crime and you can go to jail for a long time for that you can't incite people to violence but then again that's not really what what now mark goes no see they don't even really mean it when they say something that sounds very reasonable like oh was there sexual violence on october 7th what evidence do you have for that you think that's what they really mean no they want to get in your head and make you do things like what type of standard is this?

52:39This is just pure, this is just the language of a tyrant. How dare he ever call himself a constitutionalist? This is just, oh, you've decided that that speech is really bad, and it just so happens to be that that speech is against the war that you're supporting, which is very unpopular. Okay, you just happen to want to shut down the people critical of this very unpopular war that you've been pushing for for your entire career that's convenient and it's a it's a very dangerous line that the uh speech compels other people to violence um which firstly i think there's rulings that even in pretty extreme stances uh it's still considered protected free speech but the idea that speaking out against donald trump uh can then be in even calling donald trump hitler is now an incitement to violence because someone else might hear that and go take action.

53:31Um, I mean, once you've crossed that threshold, you can really redefine anything as violent rhetoric and you essentially just have a platform for full censorship to fit whatever, to fit whoever's narrative of the current regime is, and just wait till Democrats are back around and Mark Levin would be the first one yelling about how, uh, they're creating violence by not allowing him to speak up for war. Yeah, really? Well, it's kind of funny. It's like, uh, it's like Norm Macdonald's old, a great joke about Marlon Brando, where he said that Jews control Hollywood, and then he met with a group of rabbis and apologized to them, and they said, all right, you can work again, which is a great joke.

54:12But it's almost like the same type of thing. He's like, hey, these guys called Donald Trump a Nazi. You know how you should respond? Strip their speech rights. All right, that doesn't really seem to take away the accusation or disprove it. But here, let's just play the last couple seconds of this and then we'll go to his other clip. Let me ask you this. Do you think the founders would have put up with this? First time? I'm sorry. I didn't realize that's all that was left on the clip. But what a hilarious. What would the founders have done? Rob, where did the founders land on free speech? If only they had written an amendment to make it clear where they stood.

54:51If only there was some type of record that they had left. Why did these brilliant minds, they did not foresee that they should probably leave us some type of document with an indication of where they fell on the free speech issue? Oh, yeah, they were pretty clear. They were pretty clear. Unbelievable. All right, here. So let's let's go to the other police. Now he clarifies the violent rhetoric that he would look to look to see get censored from the Internet. That's right. And Mark Levin himself posted this on Twitter. So let's pull up that tweet. By the way, pull up the tweet first before we even play the video, because, you know, I didn't I literally didn't notice until literally as we were preparing for the show, like right before we started, Natalie said, oh, is that the video that he tweeted?

55:40And I was like, oh, I didn't even notice that he tweeted it. But so yet he so he posted, I'm calling out Tucker Carlson, Dave Smith, Nick Fuentes and the other podcast reprobates. Here's the thing, Mark. Like, yeah, you're calling us out, but you're terrified to see any of us. Like, I know that Tucker texted you and asked for a debate. You even acknowledge this. And you said no. and Tucker said, hey, maybe it'd be really good for the country if me and you could actually have a conversation here. Which Tucker, I know Tucker, he very genuinely believes that it is dangerous that things are getting this elevated and we should be trying to calm this down.

56:24So maybe, no, Mark doesn't want to do that. I've challenged him several times, no, he won't ever do that. I'm sure Fuentes would be down to face Mark Levin too. So when I post, I'm calling you out. No, you're really not. You're just calling for our censorship because you know you can't win the argument. That's as simple as it is. Here, we can just play the clip.

56:49Who does more to call out the woke Reich, R-E-I-C-H, than I? Nobody. Others are now, and that's a very good thing. The president has done a tremendous job. He's basically excommunicated them. But the things that a Tucker Carlson says or a Bannon says, this guy Fuentes is a lowlife, the things that he says and the way he says it and so forth. And then you have Theo Vaughn, comedians like this guy, Dave Smith, you know, things that Rogan's saying, these other people say, not as much, but still, all contributes to the environment. You can be aggressive, you can use foul language, I'd rather not, you can explain the facts.

57:26If somebody believes in an ideology that would overthrow our country, overthrow our constitutional system, overthrow our economic system. Well, of course, we're going to discuss that. I've written books about that. Or the Islamists and the jihadis, their mentality, their doctrine, where it comes from, what they intend to do, and so forth and so on. Of course, it's important to talk about that. But when you're talking about Donald Trump, he's not talking about overthrowing our government, overthrowing our economic system. He's no dictator. Now, if you like this little clip that you just saw. Hold on, wait, wait, play the rest.

58:00Play the rest. Hold on. I have to see him do a little YouTube video. I'm sorry. Just watching 80-year-olds do this is very entertaining to me. Please head over to YouTube and subscribe or rumble and follow and tell everybody you know. Oh, the nerve! He's promoting Rumble? Oh my god, dude. You know what? I can't even hold this against him because he's just too old to even understand any of this. You know why Rumble exists, you fucking fraud Mark Levin? And do you know why Rumble is a platform? Because in the midst of all of this, they took a stand that they won't kick people off while people were being censored off every other platform.

58:37That's literally the entire pitch of Rumble is going against the entire last segment that he just delivered. But, Rob, I mean, dude, what can you I don't he didn't get to a point in there. So I don't exactly know what to, like, debunk about this. But his whole thing where it's like he's he's going essentially at one point he's going, look, you can make your criticisms, but like, yo, you can't take it this far or something. Well, pull up the tweet again, because he spells it out in the tweet and he says, I want to make a clear distinction between and. OK, yeah, sure. Let's read this. OK, clear line between strong political commentary and what I see is reckless rhetoric.

59:18Well, why do you get to make that distinction? And are you looking to. Dude, you open the clip by calling us the woke Reich. You know what the Reich is? You open the clip calling us Nazis. And, dude, like, also, what the fuck are you talking about, man? Like, look, don't get me wrong. I would not call Nick Fuentes a Nazi. I don't think that's accurate. But, like, okay, Nick has certainly not guarded against being called that, right? So like he is on record intentionally making kind of provocative statements like Hitler was really cool. Now, if you push him on that, he'll be the first one to acknowledge.

59:58Like, no, I'm not saying Hitler was moral. Obviously, he committed horrific atrocities. But like, you know, like he's a great man of history. And he's kind of got an argument. Like he goes, look, like what I'm doing is trying to like demystify all this stuff. Like, why is it that like, you know what I'm saying? Like if someone said Genghis Khan is cool, no one goes like, no, we all get exactly what you're saying. So whatever. But certainly he's gone out there and said some, you know, very provocative things. And he's he is a an identitarian and a nationalist and a hard right winger. So like but like, dude, you're you're starting by calling Tucker Carlson and me Nazis.

1:00:35He is like, it's just, it's just ridiculous, dude. How are you going to in the same breath? I'm literally a, I'm, I'm pro peace and pro laissez-faire free markets and not a racialist, not an identitarian. There's still no matter how hard all of you guys try to push us into that camp. Some of us have still resisted and been like, no, I don't think that's the correct direction either. And in fact, the people who are really hardcore in that camp, as I've found out in some of my Twitter exchanges over the last two days, aren't very big fans of me, which is fine. But, brother, you're calling us Nazis and then a moment later saying that there's reckless political rhetoric?

1:01:15Rob, the hypocrisy, the self-contradiction here is just off the charts. Here, let's keep reading from that tweet a little bit more just to say I have not actually read this whole thing. OK, hold on. So in this clip, I explain why the way ideas are presented matters just as much as the ideas themselves. You can be aggressive. You can be passionate. But when commentary fuels distortion, extremism or confusion, it has real consequences. I break down why. Yeah. OK, Mark. But like that's what you're doing. so now let's have the argument like this is all just like as you said rob you get to just call everybody else nazis and then decide that their rhetoric is dangerous and then say that their rhetoric is leaving leading to confusion like okay but we say the same thing about you right we disagree so now let's debate it let's go through whose rhetoric is really causing more distortions um i don't know any any comment on this that's exactly the point he doesn't want to debate it.

1:02:20It's the same as COVID. I would have gladly debated Fauci, but what they're looking for is censorship because opposing ideas are too dangerous for people to hear. And if you look at a four-year timeline of information that was censored at any given moment, it's probably mainstream opinion at that point. Yep. Yep. No, that's for sure. It's also like, again, dude, like Mark you're calling other people Nazis but you're the one who's against free speech not us. You're the one who's out here promoting censorship. So like just on that one I don't know if you guys like I don't know how many history buffs we got here in the audience but you know Adolf Hitler not a big First Amendment guy and so you know you already are kind of putting yourself more on that side.

1:03:12You're you're calling us woke Nazis while you cheer on wars of aggression. You're calling us woke while you promote the same tech censorship that the woke did. Just I can't I just can't figure out why you're losing in the marketplace of ideas. I just can't figure out why you're not unwilling to go have this conversation with any of us. Because like this is by the way, it's not really a comment on any of us. But this shit is just so easy to tear apart if you got someone pushing back against you. And you know that. And that's why you're afraid to do it. That is – I'm sorry, man. You just – you can't fool people out of this.

1:03:53People can see that. They can see who's willing, who – I mean I'm not saying this would necessarily apply universally. But it's a really good rule of thumb is that the person trying to shut down speech is the bad guy. You know, the person the person who is unwilling to debate supports unpopular wars and will not debate anyone who's against them. The person who wants to shut down speech, wants to shut down criticism of the administration. They are the bad guys. And, you know, I'll just leave this final. We didn't get to the the Caroline Levitt comments. Maybe we'll we'll cover that on a future episode.

1:04:34But I will just say to Rob, look, I made this comment on the last podcast. Look, as I said, Tucker Carlson really believes that we really should try to cool the temperature and lower rhetoric in lots of ways. Mark Levin, in some weird way, is making a similar kind of argument. I get it. you, if you are supporting Donald Trump or you're a part of the Trump administration, you do not have a leg to stand on. You just don't. Like, it's undeniable. The president of the United States of America publicly celebrates when people die. He calls everyone all types of names, every name under the sun. He, you just, you have no leg to stand on saying we need to tone down the rhetoric now.

1:05:30Sorry. And then, by the way, listen, what can I say? I'm calling our government war criminals and calling this whole institution corrupt. And yeah, that's pretty charged rhetoric. I'm saying that the US government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world. That is very charged rhetoric. I also think it's true. I also think it's important that people tell the truth. So I'm not going to say, Mark Levin, you have to tone it down. don't tone it down I think you should grow a pair of balls and come debate one of us, have a conversation but you don't need to do that either but for you to sit here and call us all a bunch of Nazis and then ask us to tone it down kindly go fuck yourself that won't be happening.

1:06:13I think Mark Levin's gotta tone it back up, this shit's boring, go back to being Mark Levin, make Mark Levin Mark Levin again there you go, alright, thank you guys very much for listening, we'll be back tomorrow, I'll be back tomorrow with a brand new episode. Catch you next time. Peace.