Massie 2028

0:07What is up, everybody? What is up? Well, Rob, they finally got Thomas Massey, but he sure scared the bejesus out of him. Well, I've got a message of hope, though, which is you can come see me in D.C. this weekend and celebrate some porches down at Pub Key. And listen, I'm still getting the message out. I got a whole, I'm doing standup and a whole conspiracy podcast about what the FBI is up to. So don't let these bastards win the fight, come out, support, get together with your fellow porch enthusiasts. And you know, we got to do what we still can. I might not be able to expose the Epstein files, but I can at least try and make some jokes at the FBI's expense.

0:44Dude, judging by the, the Thomas Massey party they were having last night, there might still be some people partying there by the time you get down there. I mean, those guys, was that in the, was that in DC or Kentucky? Maybe I should change the show to Kentucky and see if I can catch the day three of the Thomas Massey party. There you go. So, all right. Look, TorchTor.com. Sorry. TorchTor.com. Of course, ComicDaveSmith.com for all of our ticket links. So, yeah, look, the primary was last night and Thomas Massey was unseated. That was the big news of last night and the big news of today. He lost to a plank of wood.

1:20Well, he lost to a deep state operative, literally. I mean, literally. The guy who ran against Thomas Massey, he said he has an unbelievable track record, but it's all top secret. But man, if you knew. If you knew. Anyway, so I wanted to give a few thoughts on this. Obviously, I feel like everyone in this world has been given their take on it. And I think particularly a lot of people were waiting for hours. So I'll say this. I was texting with Liam McCollum earlier today, young Liam, who's a brilliant young libertarian in our camp. And he was a big Thomas Massey supporter. Then he was telling me, you know, just like, basically he's like, oh man, I'm devastated by this, which, you know, understandably.

2:12And look, of course, maybe I should preface by saying that I don't want this to come off like it's COPE or something like that. Like, I'm disappointed that Thomas Massey lost. Obviously, it would have been amazing to be able to pull this one off despite them pulling out all of the stops, which we'll get into in a second. But, you know, OK, we didn't win that. Still, I think this is a really interesting moment. And I got to say, I'm I'm seeing the silver lining in this in a way now. So anyway, so he was texting me. He was upset. And I sent him back. What's it called again? The oh, man, I remembered it when I when I text it to him.

2:55Have you ever heard that old Chinese story? I think it's called the parable of the farmer. So it's a it's like it's like an old Chinese story. Alan Watts is like a popular philosopher. He loved this and he would bring it up a lot. The story basically goes, the story goes something along the lines of, so there's like a Chinese, an ancient Chinese like peasant farmer and his horse runs away. And his neighbors come to him and they go, oh my God, that's such bad luck. And he goes, maybe. And then the next day his horse comes back and it brings with him four wild horses. And his neighbors go, oh my God, that's such good luck.

3:35And he goes, maybe. and then the next day his son is riding one of the wild horses and he falls off and he breaks his leg and his neighbors say that's such bad luck and he says maybe and then the next day the army comes to conscript all of the able-bodied men to go fight in a war but his son gets off because he's got a broken leg and they say that's such good luck and he says maybe and it just kind of i forget exactly where it wraps up but that's the old story and and the idea in a socialist government Well, yeah, you know, look, it turned out and then Massey Tongue starved them all to death. That's something yada, yada, yada, something like that.

4:12But there really was it was a bit of a special moment yesterday. And I particularly loved Thomas Massey's energy at the speech that he gave afterward. It was real Ron Paul happy warrior type vibes. Look, we lost. a race that we cared about a lot and we will now lose the absolute best member of the House of Representatives but something else kind of happened in this race and I will say I think there's a real silver lining here there's a real kind of beautiful thing that just opened up, yes they beat Thomas Massey they got him but it took everything Rob they were desperate I mean not only did they pour in more money than has ever been poured into a congressional race in American history or world history for that matter, not like anyone else is spending more money on politics than we do.

5:13Like there has never been more resources put into a political contest in the history of humanity. You know, I get it per capita. I'm not saying like national races and stuff like that, But still, it's pretty incredible. They pour the latest estimate that they're putting out now is$32 million from the Israel lobby put into this one congressional district. Not only that, Donald Trump went – not only endorsed his opponent but viciously attacked Thomas Massey as the worst congressman in the history of the Congress or something like that. Donald Trump was tweeting ferociously yesterday. Rob, he doesn't tweet.

5:58The prisoner, he doesn't tweet about the war in Iran. He posts on Truth Social. But when it comes to Thomas Massey, he's on Twitter making sure every last person he could get to see it saw his message. Fox News had a complete blackout of Thomas Massey. Wouldn't have him on the show at all. Wouldn't have him on any of their shows while they were featuring his opponent on their highest rated shows. Right, you know, right wing boomer radio all went in big against him, too. Donald Trump sent Pete Hegseth, the secretary of war, who is conducting an ongoing war to Kentucky, to Kentucky. Thomas Massey was making fun of this, dude.

6:42They put off the war for a day and sent the secretary of war down there to campaign against Thomas Massey. They had to throw all of that at the wall to get the result, which was Rob. I mean, as we knew this was going to be the case, right? To get the result that was, all right, you beat him 55-45 and he took 100 % of the youth. 100%. Like what this operation essentially did was turn idiot boomers against Thomas Massey. And that sucks. And I shouldn't be rude when I say idiot, because some of them are like genuinely victims of propaganda and are probably good people, but idiot in the sense that they're they can't they don't know enough to see through the propaganda.

7:24But it took all of that. And I think in a way. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, Rob, but what I'm left feeling is kind of like, all right. You got Thomas Massey out, but in a sense, like some battle lines were kind of drawn here. OK, it was such a clear demonstration that Thomas Massey for for the crime of. Governing as he campaigned for the crime of standing up for what he's always said he believed in the Israel lobby and the entire Trump administration and the Fox News apparatus decided to unseat this guy from from Congress. But it took everything they have and it only worked because of the boomers.

8:10who are dying out. I don't know. You know, it's an interesting line to delineate. And I think that in many ways, obviously, this coalition has already been broken up. Obviously, we are already out of the Trump world. But now it's more explicit that like, oh, yeah, and you guys don't want us. You went after our number one guy. OK, cool. New battle lines are being drawn here. And I think, in my humble opinion, I think last night potentially birthed a new movement in this country with a leader. And that leader is Thomas Massey. Now, people can, you know, again, the people out there, which we'll get into in a second, but all the people out there who are defending Trump and the commentators on social media, they'll sit here and try to say, oh, look, Dave's spinning a primary loss in Kentucky as Massey's the leader of some movement.

9:15But the issue that they have is that the people who are listening to these arguments in this world, in the podcast world, on social media, aren't retarded boomers. And we can see through your bullshit. This campaign is not going to work in this world. Maybe it works for the 75-year-olds watching Fox News, but it's not going to work in this world. You could sit there and we'll get into some of the reactions, all of them saying, oh, this proves Trump has the juice and Massey doesn't have the juice. Like, no, dude, this proved that$32 million can really influence a congressional campaign, which we all knew already, Rob.

9:51It's the most, yes, if you pour more money into a campaign than has ever been poured into a congressional race, you can move some points on there. But, dude, the battle lines are drawn. Thomas Massey is the most popular political figure amongst young people in the country. And the issues that the Israel lobby unseated him for are overwhelmingly popular. Run in a national race or even a national Republican primary race as we should release the Epstein files. We shouldn't fight more stupid wars. We should balance the budget. We shouldn't have giant spending bills. Let's see how that works. No, no, no.

10:26There's a new movement. Thomas Massey is the leader of it. And let me tell you guys something. This movement could be very powerful. This movement could win, ultimately. So I do think, like, I don't want to hear any of this, like, black pill doomer shit. Like, there's a real opportunity that was opened up here, and I think that's what we should focus on. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Trollco, a brand new sponsor we're thrilled to have on board. Trollco was built by two guys from the oil patch who were sick of clothing companies pretending blue collar workers didn't exist.

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11:42That's T-R-O-L-L-C-O dot com slash problem. Promo code Dave25 for 25 % off your first order. All right, let's get back into the show. Anyway, I ranted for a while there, Rob. Any thoughts on any of this that you have? uh yeah well uh i guess i'll start off uh on what you were just saying which is uh i i agree with all of it and i just hope thomas massey actually has an interest in that opportunity uh because he certainly put up a hell of a fight and if he wants to go live his life now i can respect that as well luckily we get uh six more months of him and i hope he uh gives him hell while he's there and exposes everyone he can and just uh puts up as much of a fight as he can uh but i do agree with you that they're that the tide is turning amongst the younger voters and it's incredible um it felt like covid that the fact that thomas massey could lose and you're just like how are you other people not seeing this how are you older how are you guys being suckered by a dollar spent on fox news that hey we all just need to be in line with trump are you not at your house right now concerned about prices have you not heard about the epstein storyline at all are you supporting this war.

12:54I mean, how can it be that just a single ad on Fox news of, Oh, we're team Republican. That guy's not team Republican. What team are you? Oh, I'm team Republican. I better go vote against that guy. And then particularly when it's a guy who's been in your area forever and, uh, you know, has been dominating these races up until$35 million was weaponized against him. It's really just incredible. It feels like COVID where you just sit around and go, how is there this much disconnect between myself the way i see the world and these other people particularly when i know i'm right and i grew up in the same country as you like that was the feeling during covid like when did we all just get so into hey government told us to do something so i'm gonna do it and in this case how are there so many people who just watch fox news see a 30 second campaign ad and go oh tv ad says this guy not not republican it's it's incredible that these tricks still work on people.

13:50And I was real depressed about it just because, you know, not only is Massey the best we got, but it's easy. You know, we talk on the sidelines and I think we make an impact, but he's actually doing things and it showcases these storylines in a way that you and I can't. When Congress is actually pushing for Epstein accountability, that's different than when you and I are talking about it and it forces everyone else to talk about it. When you and I are going, hey, this budget doesn't make sense. You're spending more money than we can afford. you know it's nice we're educating people i'm not saying we're not doing anything but when massey actually like holds up a bill and then every news station has to talk about it that is more impactful and uh it also makes the news more interesting to cover because then the truth storylines are actually rising to the top no no there's no question there's real value in having a thomas massey in congress and of course getting the epstein files like we you know what i mean like that's yeah there's there's real value to that and we lost that no question um but hey i'm hoping maybe him and Marjorie Taylor green, uh, uh, that do something together, give them a TV show in the morning, Massey, Marjorie Taylor green in the morning, turn it into a campaign run, uh, Epstein accountability, America, true America, first party, get the bastards party.

15:03Listen, I, um, I was, uh, you know, I have a, uh, Massey's cell phone number and we've texted back and forth a few times before. And I was kind of thinking of texting. I didn't yet because I just kind of felt like, all right, first off, his phone's probably blown up like crazy. So I gave like I waited last night and this morning, I think I'm going to text him this afternoon and just thank him for everything he did. And then, you know, just maybe lightly say clearly God wants you to run for president or whatever, you know, shoot him a text. But hey, man, look, there's somebody has to run on this lane in 2028.

15:39and clearly now Massey has just been set up to be the guy. And listen, again, people can try to spin this however they want to, but I do think you guys have made a political martyr out of Thomas Massey in a way now. No matter what he does next, I think he's just at a different level to have an impact culturally. And then, yes, Rob, what you're saying, he's got seven months left to keep having that impact as a congressman. And I do think that a lot of what you're saying also becomes true if, say, he was a presidential candidate. Now, he has told people, look, I don't like saying things that were said in private, but he has, it's been reported, so I'll just say it too.

16:20He has told me too that he was like, if he loses this race, that's it. He's stepping away. Still, I hope he reconsiders that. I think that the narrative of this, like, writes itself. It's just so juicy. Like literally a foreign government's lobby unseated a congressman for not being supportive of that foreign government. And people right now, there is a massive effort. I guess one of the things that we've learned or maybe not learned, but that's been reinforced from the Thomas Massey campaign is that this effort will work on boomers who only watch Fox News and don't watch anything else. it will not work where the people like at the Daily Wire are trying to, they'll just continue to lose viewership and remain a laughingstock as they rightfully should be.

17:09All of them, by the way, all of them over there rightfully should be. But the effort now, Rob, is to spin this, which, you know, understandably, if you're a Fox News viewer and you just don't know anything about anything and you're just not being given the information, you could understand where superficially this might pass the smell test or whatever. But the propaganda now is going to be, well, hey, look, we had a contest and clearly the Republican people are with Donald Trump. And they're going to get these podcasters. Who cares who these podcasters pick? Oh, Thomas Massey had Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.

17:47That doesn't matter. Republican voters like Donald Trump and blah, blah, blah. And so that's part of the spin. And then the other spin is the other part of the propaganda is going to be like, what was this about? Why did Congress Massey get unseated? And their answer will be, well, you know, he was just a thorn in the side of President Trump. He just did. He was disloyal. He didn't support his agenda. And Donald Trump needs somebody in there to support his agenda. So real quickly, let's just go through both of these fucking lies because there's it's such bullshit and it's so easy to prove that it's wrong, but go ahead.

18:25Yeah. Two things on that. Just first is, you know, I always wondered what is special about Kentucky that you seem to have both Rand Paul and Thomas Massey from that location and nobody else seems to be able to get up honest individuals. Everyone's kind of playing the sport and the team game. And I guess I assume maybe there was just a more libertarian attitude out there. But I think my takeaway from this election is just that it was small enough that the big money wasn't that concerned with it. And, you know, I guess in this case, just just the big money won. The thing is, it is and particularly Thomas Massey's district, it is a little bit of an outsider district and it is a little bit more libertarian leaning.

19:04And that's why even those boomers in his district were kind of willing to listen to Thomas Massey and go like, yeah, OK, this makes sense. This is a real Tea Party message. We like that. But it turns out they're also just susceptible to being very loyal to Donald Trump, as Republican boomers tend to be. It's his most loyal demographic. And they get their news from Fox News. And they were just kind of told constantly that this guy had morphed into some Democrat. And all of a sudden now he's like friends with AOC. And man, he's against Trump. And with AOC, who is this guy? He must have changed. Meanwhile, he stayed exactly the same, you know, and it was Trump who did a 180.

19:42but this is the real uh sadness to me is for those that are celebrating it a ignore the polls actually the entire republican party is still behind donald trump in the last midterms from what i remember donald trump's picks did very well uh basically at winning the uh um you know the race to be the front runner for that the party and then they did not do well in the general elections so the fact that uh the i don't think uh the guy that massey just lost he was going to lose because that district is so Republican. But some of these other Donald Trump picks, I don't know that they're going to actually win.

20:15And this is just to me, the saddest part about the whole thing is I refuse to support Democrats because the second they have power, they're worse and in a different way. But now we're going to be in an environment where the people who are checking Donald Trump's power are the Democrats and the people who might be trying to get us out of this war are the Democrats, the people that might be talking about why are we sending so much support over to israel the democrats and i watch congressional hearings now and the people that i hate are uh are making good points against the administration when it comes to the epstein files when it comes to the iran war and so you know you might actually have the democrats do well in the midterms and it actually gets us out of some of these messes and has some uh uh you know forces some culpability on the trump administration and i just i mean i hate that At least if Massey was there, you know, you could point to one good Republican slash libertarian who's pushing it.

21:07But who wants to give that win to the Democrats? No. And look, in the areas where Massey broke and voted with Democrats, it was things like the War Powers Act. It was things like the Epstein filed release. It was like, I mean, these were issues where the Democrats were on the right side of it. Sorry. That's just the way it is. But no, I will say, you know, to your point before, before we go into trying to break down these two propaganda angles that I just mentioned, because that is important to do. You know, when you said before about like people, you know, this this like I won or whatever, it's like they just want to be on Team Republican or Team this and the same type of people going, ha ha, you guys lost.

21:45We won. It's always a funny thing in politics when people have this attitude because you'll literally have a dynamic where some random guy on social media is going, ha ha, Dave, you lost. I won. And then he gets off social media and he goes to fill up his gas tank and he's like,$85? Jesus. All right, man, that just fucked up my week. OK, it's like, yeah, you won, dude. Totally. What did you win exactly? The war that you didn't even want last year until you were told you wanted it. Anyway, people are, you know, are very tribal. Think about, you know, human beings are like that. Human beings like to go to football stadiums and lose their mind over whether Team Blue gets a ball over a line and they know it means nothing.

22:36They know consciously that this means absolutely nothing. And it's just a game that men play. But like they lose their mind and identify and feel really good when their team. Again, I'm not knocking football. I like football, but it's just the nature of kind of who people are. Anyway, look, with the idea that Donald Trump, as many of these people will be pushing, that this proves that Donald Trump just has the juice. Well, obviously, Rob, I mean, you kind of already got at this. But if that's the case, that Donald Trump just has the juice in the Republican Party, even then why the thirty two million dollars?

23:12You know, like it does. If it was just the case that Donald Trump has the juice, you would think Donald Trump could have just said, you know, I endorse this guy, not him. His tweets about he's the worst. He's the best. That should have been enough. Right. Like, clearly, at least they didn't think that was going to be enough. They also had to pour in more money than has ever been poured in in any congressional contest ever. Like, so, yeah, it doesn't really, if you know anything about this, add up at all that this is just that the takeaway from this is just that Donald Trump is so popular and Thomas Massey is so unpopular or something like that.

23:57Obviously, this money came pouring in. There was this huge concerted effort. So no, it's not just that Donald Trump had the juice because otherwise they wouldn't have had to do this. If he just had the juice, they would have just run with that. But they knew that wouldn't be enough. So they knew he didn't actually have the juice to just squash Thomas Massey. and then kind of the second part of that which is fairly obvious if you pay attention to it but is the why why did they do this why thomas massey you know we had one guy in the house and it was important enough to them to get him out of there now what are they going to say rob it's because he voted against the big, beautiful bill, which ultimately passed.

24:47Is that really why? I mean, I'm just saying like, if it was just about being disloyal, Donald Trump, I mean, I mean, his vice president called him Adolf Hitler a few years ago, but people have been disloyal to Donald Trump and he's gotten over that. You know, if it was, if it just was about not voting with Donald Trump. I mean, they don't put this much effort into unseating Democrats. Dude, there was Mitt Romney voted to impeach Donald Trump. They didn't put this much money into unseating him. He was a Republican in Congress in Donald Trump's first term who voted to impeach him. I'm just saying like Thomas Massey still votes with you 77 % of the time or whatever it is.

25:34It's not that you just really needed to get this thorn in your side out. Obviously, what is it? Okay, well, Thomas Massey, by the way, even when Thomas Massey broke with Donald Trump in his first term and Donald Trump was talking all types of shit, they didn't put money like this in against him. So what was different this time, Rob? He got the fucking Epstein files released. He humiliated the Trump administration for covering up this scandal and putting into the light that they're still covering it up and not even releasing the files, even though Trump signed it into law. They also broke down on the Tucker Carlson show how APAC, every single member of Congress except him, has an APAC handler.

26:19By the way, APAC is celebrating him being overthrown. They're celebrating that they – here, let me see if I can pull up the APAC tweet. I mean this is how crazy it is, Rob. I know this is just an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, but here's AIPAC on it. Ed Galrin's victory in Kentucky and Clay Fuller's win in Georgia ensure two outspoken pro-Israel voices are positioned to fill seats previously held by outspoken detractors Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Our community was proud to help pro-Israel candidates win these races. well we're proud to help we're proud to have helped make this happen and the reason why we're doing it is because now we've got two people who will send your tax dollars to a foreign country first two people who were against doing that there it is spelled out for you so just like all i'm saying is that in this world like this race broke down you know you saw the polls it It was like people between 70 and 80 were like plus 55 for Massey's opponent.

27:26And people between like 20 and 45, 55 were like plus 50 for Massey. It's like this clear generational line. And it's obviously a reflection of what media you're listening to, what information you're getting. And all I'm saying is that in this world, for the people getting their media in this ecosystem, we all see exactly what this is. It's clear as day. Sorry, go ahead, Rob. And it's really going to amplify that dividing line because anyone that's actually awake and following politics sees that the machine is so corrupt that they just spent$35 million to unseat a person who's trying to get us out of foreign wars and, you know, clean up the deep state and expose the Epstein files.

28:11and people just realize how corrupt and how corrupt this system is. And so amongst the younger generations that are following new media, I mean, this is what gives Massey the pathway if he wants to actually do something bigger and run for president. But I do think you're right that, you know, 10, 15 years down the line, I bet we're still going to be hearing about this of, hey, this is how corrupt AIPAC was. They managed to spend$35 million to get rid of a congressman because he exposed the Epstein files. I mean, this is really as pure of a showcase as you can get of how corrupt the machine is.

28:46And I think amongst people that, you know, aren't the dumb boomers and the covid people who just will accept anything the government tells them. This is a shining example of the corruption. Yep. No, absolutely. That's that's right. And I think, you know, another obviously another huge element of this is that the guy refused to debate Thomas Massey. And I just look, the thing about it is, is you go is you look at it like this. Obviously, you know, thirty two million dollars in a congressional race makes a big difference. OK. But now let's let you know, I saw Oren McIntyre before who I like. but he even said to I guess Liam McCollum had said something about Thomas Massey running in 2028 which by the way there's a lot of there's a lot of enthusiasm for is I'm just saying I mean obviously this is this is not scientific this is just me but I posted on Twitter last night that Thomas Massey should run for president it's got like a hundred thousand likes on it like people are really behind that message you know and so Oren McIntyre goes he goes come on guys you're being delusional here.

29:55You just lost a primary in Kentucky. Now you think you're going to win the Republican nominee for president. And it's like, no, dude, I don't think this is being delusional at all. I think this is looking at like the realities here. Like the fact is that, look, Thomas Massey had won his previous primaries with like 85%, 72%, like huge margins. It was very popular there. Not like it, like, cause Orrin had said like, you can't even win a primary. It goes, Thomas Massey won many primaries. He absolutely can win a primary. Yes, he couldn't combat this concerted campaign in this particular district.