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28:52So that's one thing. That's one thing. But I would be just, you know, part of the reason that Vivek has a problem here. And look, obviously, like I pay attention to this stuff very closely and I'm friends or friendly with Vivek. And we spoke a lot during that year. And so I remember this. But part of the reason why no one even remembers that Vivek Ramaswamy took this position is because he'd always kind of couch it in this language of like, Like, this is what's best for Israel and the United States. And it should be sunset in the future. Isn't it funny just to the question, Rob? Like, hey, why is it that, like, I'm watching my city crumbling and I'm watching, you know, like drug addicts and homeless people and illegal immigration and all of these problems and life is so much more expensive and I can barely keep my head above water.

29:42And yet we're sending tens of billions of dollars over this foreign country. And Vivek's response is like, we should only do that for a little while longer. You should only sacrifice everything you have here, over there for a little bit more. But if you remember, he used to try his best during the campaign. And I even back then thought it was doomed to fail, which was a very different reality than today. But he would say, you know what I'll tell Benjamin Netanyahu? You go kill the terrorists on your southern border and I'll go kill the terrorists on our southern border. so he was kind of trying to have a message of essentially non-interventionist non-interventionism like signal to people like us enough that he's saying hey we should do our own thing and they should do their own thing but also weirdly like endorsing the killing on his southern border that benjamin netanyahu's doing right now which if you remember this is the middle of 2024 he's been slaughtering people for you know six months or whatever it is now eight months ten months um Well, maybe I guess Vivek was out of the race by then, but six months.

30:45So, you know, it's just I don't know. It just doesn't work because he's still not addressing like kind of the core foundation of the question, which is like at a time like this, why should we be worried about the well-being of any other country? Why is the well-being of Israel even come out of your mouth? like that just and he says first and foremost america but i think a lot of these people want that to be the sole priority of people looking for political power in this country anything any thoughts on this rob no i want to hear more of this fence sitting all right yeah let's keep going complete if i did not also answer a second dimension to this question which is that i do think it is strange as the person who stood alone on the republican debate stage and took criticism from people on both sides of me.

31:35And this hurt me in my presidential run. I will say this. It is beyond bizarre to me. The fixation on that$3.8 billion of the federal budget, when you look at the extent of far more inexcusable waste, fraud, abuse, in a lot of different directions, foreign aid to hundreds of other countries, that we also should not be supporting. which raises a deeper question of what the heck is going on with this particular line item that obsession i mean this is just god damn i'm just so sick of hearing this it's just like the most disingenuous argument man it's like like this is the best they could come up with and like okay sure maybe she didn't like pose the question in the in the best possible way but look it would Would like this point that a lot of other people have made, this would make sense if the four billion were the extent of it.

32:34Like if that was all that anyone was talking about. And it's like, dude, you guys really. OK, yeah, they're number one. But we also give money to Egypt and Jordan and Europe and Ukraine and all these other countries. So why the focus on Israel? But like, how are they going to say they're going to sit here and say that we it's like it reminds me of. It's literally the thing when Tucker Carlson had Ted Cruz on Rob. And you remember Ted Cruz goes, he goes, listen, I'm the biggest defender of Israel. The whole reason I ran for Senate was to be Israel's number one defender in the Senate. Then like two sentences go by.

33:10Tucker says something about Israel. And then Ted Cruz goes, why are you so obsessed with Israel? Because wait, I'm obsessed with Israel. And he says to me, he goes, you just told me the reason you ran for Senate was to be their number one defender. And again, for people to go, why are you guys so like hyper focused on this? Like, no, it's not that we are. It's that the entire ruling regime is. It's like, Rob, I don't know. Again, if you want to go to the money. Oh, there's much bigger line item budgets. Well, how much is this worn around cost us so far? Like$100 billion, something like that. OK, so there's another hundred.

33:46How much did the terror wars cost us? Oh, like$8 trillion. Oh, OK, this is starting. Now it's starting to get pretty damn expensive. isn't it? Not to mention all the other foreign aid to the region is also foreign aid to Israel. And not to mention the fact that the president of the United States openly says that his biggest donors are the Israel lobby and that they give him hundreds of millions of dollars and then they come in demanding things and he does whatever they want. So that's why we focus on it. All right. I got I got a bunch of thoughts here. Firstly, as I do think it was respectful of Vivek that he's going to a turning points event.

34:20And in memory of Charlie Kirk, he busts out the Beavis and butthead haircut so i will say i respect that there you go um this feels a lot like when the left when people started picking up the stories of the tranny happy story hours and then they're going oh why are you so obsessed with this all right well do you guys not care about it if you don't care about it then just drop it and quit reading books to kids while you're dressed in trans and then we don't have to comment on it why is it just when we comment on that we don't like it suddenly we're obsessed with it you're the ones who are pushing it and we're calling you out on it And the question here, I guess, you know, he's weaseling out of the question, which is really, do you think we should be fully supportive of Israel all the time?

34:58Are you not America first? And are you going to fight wars on their behalf? And the answer should be no, this is a mess that we don't need to be in. And so, yeah, the four, like I said, two years ago, the four billion dollars in foreign aid to Israel in the scheme of our budget, who gives a shit? I mean, if that's the extent of what we got to pay off Israel so that, hey, they're still our number one ally and we think it's important. I'll have that conversation. Go back before this Iran war. If that's the beginning and end of our support to Israel to so that the lobby keeps their mouth shut. Fine.

35:27It's$4 billion, but that's not really what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is foreign entanglements and wars that we, uh, you know, are going to bankrupt our empire and are not on our behalf and are creating all sorts of unnecessary risks for our country. That's the real question here. I mean, if you want to divert it back to the nonsense 4 billion and go, Hey, it's 4 billion. while you focused on it, you're anti-Semitic. You're only focused on the 4 billion I'm giving to Israel. No, I'm interested in all foreign influence that's bankrupting and corrupting our government.

35:55And the biggest risk one right now is Israel and the fact that we're fighting a war on our behalf. Do you think that we should be supporting Israel in this way? Yeah. Well, and then the other, look, all great points. But in the others that, you know, as you said, the comparison, I really liked the comparison to the drag queen story hour. Also, just the comparison to any other political topic. Like if I ever just went like if I were to ever just say, hey, what's your opinion on whatever property taxes or something like this? You wouldn't go like, well, look, I agree with you on your opinion on that.

36:28But I also think like what is with this weird focus on property tax? Like are you obsessed with property or something like that? It's like I don't know. This is the topic at hand. But the other obvious comparison that I just see, and I got to say, man, I just, after the last 15 years of this shit, and really, I guess it's been going on in different forms for longer than that. But I just cannot tell you how much this, and I'm coming from this, look, my perspective here, just to be clear, is somebody who agrees with Vivek Ramaswamy on a lot of issues and knows him and likes him. Like, those are my dogs on the fire.

37:07I like this guy. He was my favorite Republican running in 24. If I have to ever hear again, somebody ask a completely reasonable question. And then the response to it being, I'm wondering about the motivations. You know what I'm saying? And now look, Vivek is not being shitty to her. He's kind of talking about other people. But why are we even talking about that? She didn't say anything about like the Jews. Like, I wonder, do you think the Jews are smelly and gross? Should they be allowed to live in society? She didn't say anything that even hints at anything about a religion or an ethnicity or a culture or a people or any person with an immutable characteristic or whatever.

37:54She goes, hey, at this time in America, why are we sending all this money over here when it should be taking care of us? America First has been the entire banner that all of these guys have been running under. So anyway, just totally reasonable question. Why are we even talking about bigotry? Because this is the shit that leftists used to always do, which was always the most infuriating thing to anyone who's an honest actor. It would be like you come in and say something that they disagree with and it's not even like they try to take on your argument. They immediately go to why you must be such a horrible person and that's the only reason why you would even have this argument.

38:32And I mean if that's the spirit of like turning point USA now, which at its best I thought was always to combat that stuff, then that's a sad day. Anyway, here, let's play the rest of Vivek's answer. I think it's just about saying how many more American lives we could have improved with that$3.8 billion, because you could be talking about$3 trillion that we could be recapturing and recovering from wind subsidies to third world country foreign aid that's actually a lot of which is corrupt. So here's, I'll tell you what I do think underlies. I think it's this mentality that somehow it is a mindset that one country in the world in the U.S.

39:15relationship with it, or particularly even, let's just talk about it, Jewish Americans are somehow responsible for the struggles of Americans here. And I think that is also ridiculous. And I don't think that we should be - Just pause it for a second. Once I can say - You know, it's like Vivek brought up wind subsidies in there, Rob. And me and you completely agree with him on wind subsidies. But I just, I gotta, you know, say, because there's such bigger things than wind subsidies out there. Like why this obsession with wind? And it almost seems like what Vivek is saying is that anyone who ever worked for Con Edison is responsible for all of the problems of society.

39:54Like you just want to what do you just want to kill everybody who ever worked for Con Edison? I mean, I just know I'm not saying you said that the vaca just you know, that's the like, what is this? This is like it's such a pathetic straw man that you just you're just going because because you don't want to take. and this is the thing and I'm you know I've not that I'm not saying like Vake has admitted to me that he doesn't really believe the stuff he's saying publicly that's not true at all but I've always just like every time I've talked to him privately like this I always just approach him with the presumption that you already know I'm right about all of this you know and then like I just start from that part I go you already know what the obvious answer here is um and that this just isn't gonna work I've personally told him when he had answers like this like in the past Like, hey, dude, this isn't going to work.

40:39You got to take a stand on this. And I don't know. I just find this to be weak, really weak. And, you know, like I also think even if you want to come at it from the position of like, hey, look, there are these people that are critical of Israel because they really don't like Jews very much. And I want to differentiate between them and that. I just don't think the move isn't to sit here when you have someone who doesn't appear to be one of those people at all asking a completely reasonable question. How about just just take the correct position and act like those guys don't exist in your response?

41:17You know what I'm saying? like that's the way to actually pull if you think that's a really ugly path to go down and you want to pull this back away from that which i'm sympathetic to that view okay but then like just go yeah it's insane it's absolutely insane you're telling me a country that's 40 trillion dollars in in debt has to subsidize another country that has universal health care and free you know like all all these like perks that american citizens don't even get screw that we're not we're not doing that anymore if i'm ever in a position of power you can guarantee that's gone day one why isn't that the answer and then even you could add on to that and by the way that's not nearly enough because we got much bigger fish to fry than that 4.5 billion why does it even need to be phrased in this way i just i don't know like i just disagree with this um like in principle, but I also just go, I think a lot of these guys are almost like playing this game where it's like, let me try, you know, I know politically speaking, there's landmines on either side of this issue.

42:22So let me try to just not walk on any of those landmines. And I just don't think that's going to work. I don't, you know, even Vivek says, oh, taking this position, this is why I got criticized from both sides of this. It's like, yeah, that's right. That's what this will end up doing. I'll someone like me will end up looking at this and going like, oh, this is so weak. I just I can't get behind this. And then someone like Ben Shapiro will look at this and go, he's basically Adolf Hitler. You know, like, I don't know. He's like, so it's just you're not you're just not winning over anyone with this stuff.

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44:57Um, he is, um, very dumb and I just, I don't know. I've, I've, um, just always found him to be laughably unimpressive. Uh, he's, if you remember Rob, we've done a few episodes over the years where he had segments on us. Um, and we did responses to it and I challenged him to debate a few times back in the day, which he was never interested in doing. But, you know, I don't know. I don't even know what exactly to say about this guy. But so he's he's been kind of the center of some controversy lately because, of course, you know, he's he's a real hardcore lefty. And so he's broadly speaking, I guess, good on being against the wars.

45:41But then, of course, because he's like a lefty collectivist, he's always got to like overstate in these ridiculous ways so like what his big thing was he said america deserved 9-11 um rather than being like getting it and going like oh american policy by people in power provoked the reaction of 9-11 he just goes no we deserved it like what do you mean some old lady deserved to die the thousands of people deserve the tower to fall on you like no dummy that's not like it's like he doesn't even realize he's undercutting his own message because the whole thing you're trying to say is that the kids in gaza didn't deserve it right like this is the same mentality as the people saying oh yeah you deserve so anyway it's just they'll just be things like that he just always kind of has these over and then he's known for doing this ridiculous thing where they do these like i don't know like 15 hour live streams anyway I don't know what more to say about him than that.

46:38But in a kind of almost, I think, you know, I don't know. Maybe I don't have my finger on the pulse that well. But this seemed to me almost kind of like a moment. If you remember, Rob, like when, I don't know, when Saturday Night Live had Shane Gillis on. Or when Netflix started booking Tony Hinchcliffe and Mark Norman and guys like that. And it felt almost like a moment in the culture where it was like, oh, cancel culture kind of lost and they're kind of because Hassan was amongst like liberals is a very controversial guy. And so The New York Times is like, no, no, no, we're going to have him on anyway.

47:13I think there's kind of a recognition that like we got to go to where the audience is. We can't you know, like we can't do this cancel culture nonsense where we cancel all the people who could maybe make us money and get us views because that's what we're in the business of doing. so here so anyway they get into this is so bizarre to me because i am a little bit out of touch with like lefty uh insanity these days but so as you see rob it seemed to me i didn't watch the entire thing but it seemed to me that the conversation was around the morality of stealing and then they just start getting into a whole conversation about this nuance so let's pull up pull up one of the clips natalie we'll we'll try to go through all three of these let's let's see what is going on in crazy like what seems to be like two new york times future what what wine moms i don't know how how would you describe these ladies rob there will be cats in their future undoubtedly and um a male model who read a magazine about politics once let's let's watch the conversation yeah no I'm pro piracy all the way, like across the board.

48:20Would you pirate a car? Yes. You know, if you could, if one could pirate a car. It was just a classic thing back in the day, the government funded anti-piracy initiatives would be like, would you steal a car? Yeah, sure. If I could get away with it, if it was as easy as, you know, pirating IP, I would do it. would you dine and dash from your local diner never never except 35 percent mics come on uh no i wouldn't do that and if i saw somebody doing that i'd probably pay for their meal yeah would you steal a book sorry just stop it already hold on wait just pull it back a few seconds because that next question is really going to throw me for a loop here okay hold on i can't even possibly take on the next one.

49:10But I first got a take on this. By the way, one of the dynamics here where all of them are talking about stealing is that, as you could tell from the people from the backdrop and just knowing that every person in this conversation is rich. Every person in this conversation is rich. They're all in the top 1%. Hassan Piker grew up in a rich family. He's worth millions and millions of dollars. Lives in, I forget exactly, but lives in a multi-million dollar home. But like these are rich people and they're sitting there talking about the morality of stealing and when you would steal. And they throw in little hints there where she goes, hey, I always tip 35 % at my local diner.

49:50Well, just saying, I'm actually a very generous tipper myself, too. I typically do 35 or maybe above that. But you know who does that? People with money. That's who does that. It's not a conversation that Hassan goes, oh, if I saw someone else do that, I'd probably pay for their meal. You know who does that? People with money. People live in paycheck to paycheck. All the people that they claim to represent, they are completely removed from their world at all. Let's start that. Now, second of all, Hassan's, this is insane and somewhat sociopathic for a rich adult to be saying, okay? This is not a desperate person.

50:28This is not this isn't even a broke 20 year old in their dorm room. And people of my age, no one amongst us has not downloaded music for free or something like that. But there is a big difference between going like, would you steal a car if it was as easy as taking a song from someone? Because and I think me and you even have slightly different takes on intellectual property, Rob. and we argued about this once in the past years ago and we could save this for another day. But there's no question that there is a little bit something different about taking intellectual property than taking someone's physical property.

51:06That is just a little bit different. You know, like if you were in a conversation, let's say you were talking to someone and someone said something that's a really good point and then you later in a conversation just said the same thing but kind of took credit for it as if it was your point. That's different than taking someone's wallet. However you feel about the first one, it's different. And to say you would steal a car, the difference between stealing a car and downloading music is that, well, on some level, you could argue you're denying that person their sale that they should have gotten or whatever.

51:36But someone built a car. You're stealing the labor of people. You're stealing a physical, tangible thing. And the idea that you just kind of laughingly go, no, I have no moral issue with that. It's like, okay. All right. I'm pro-piracy. Everyone should steal everything. Yeah, but what's the result of that if everyone does it? Really bad stuff, right? That hurts all of us. So I don't know. This is like already just an insane conversation by people who are clearly virtue signaling and posing as being a member of an economic class that they are not. Any thoughts on any of that, Rob? i don't know uh i i mean theft it's one of the underpinnings of society it's right up there in the 10 commandments that if you just want to be able to get along and have a civil society people can't just be stealing things it's up there with uh murder uh you know i mean how far away if i can just take your stuff can i just take your life can i rape you i mean and how's this going to work all of them are forms of theft by the way no you're absolutely right that all of that is form of theft.

52:46Rape is a form of theft. Murder is a form of theft. Like rape is like stealing your body or stealing access to your body. Murder is stealing your life or, you know, robbing you of something that is rightfully yours. Yes. This is the first thing I have little kids. This is like what dealing with a two and a half year old is like when they're on a play date, two and a half. I have a four and a seven year old. Neither of them would have this issue today. This is long behind us that I'd ever have to explain to one of my kids. That's not yours. You can't just take that. It's giving me nostalgia thinking about these conversations because I have a seven and a four year old.

53:21And so this is not an issue anymore. And how's this going to work? Yeah. I mean, you guys are three rich people sitting in a room. If you're advocating for, I guess, people can just take stuff. Is that the life that you want to live? That every time you try and park your car somewhere? I mean, does that mean that you don't blame someone for just taking your car? If you parked your car outside and someone just took your car and you no longer have a car and you're a son do you go well my values are for uh piracy and somebody took my car so you know i'm not gonna stand by the state and try and regulate this that's why it's all complete larping that's that's what i was getting into where it's like they're acting like they're the guy who might need to steal a car meanwhile they're the guy who's worried that their luxury car might be stolen and what they'll do is like this isn't a theoretical what they'll do is move into the richest area in the gated community and you know what i mean like they'll they they won't be in the middle of all that chaos that's for sure um here let's let's keep playing because i'm sorry this next line just really got me would you steal a book from the library never okay pause it have any of you been to a library do any of you read books it's free books at the library are free nobody steals books from the library maybe you don't return them you forget to return it but what do you mean would you steal a book from a library and what even is that but then see here's the the thing that they're trying to do rob is that they're trying to go there's it's not the theft that's an issue it's the how good do I feel about the organization?

55:04That's what matters. So like, it's okay at my whims. If I just don't feel like this, then it's justified, but it's, Oh library. That's like a nice thing where people read books and it's for the community. So you can't steal from them. This is what's so psychotic about this. So let's go. If a rich guy has a private library, can I steal from that? And they might go, yes. And you actually think that that's less degrading to society, what do you think the ramifications are for promoting that you can just go onto someone's private property and take their stuff? You're looking at a more violent world.

55:36And guess what? The elites are better at using violence. So you're looking at the suppression of the lower classes because they've decided to engage in violence. That's what you're advocating for. Just think a couple steps ahead on how this plays out and what it's based off of the morality. There's no, there's, there's no, there's no such thing as having success in life and accumulating capital, which by the way, is the underpinning of capitalism. And it's very important. Well, look, it's already, you already get into a thing where like, like, as you said, and, and look, we can, we can talk about this a bit more in some of the other clips too, where like what the results of this stuff actually are, but you, you're absolutely right, Rob, when you go, you have a more violent society that way.

56:15I mean, look, like I, you know, again, this is like the, all of this is just based off commie whims. And so this is like what happened under actual communism is that they'd write about the kulaks or whatever and how they're ripping off all the people. And then, you know, in practice, what that ended up becoming was a peasant farmer who hadn't turned all of his grain over to the authorities, who was hiding a little bit of grain so that his kids didn't starve. Then they'd kill that guy. So look, I don't know. I'm not a giant corporation, but I am in the 1%. I have a house that's way bigger than the amount of room that my family needs.

56:55I, you know what I'm saying? Like I, and so I'm just saying if you could very easily see them throwing me into a category where like, it's okay to come take my stuff. It's okay. But if you come take my stuff, you're taking it away from my kids. And if you're going to come try to steal stuff that belongs to my kids, I'm going to try to stop you with violence. Now I'm a peaceful person, but you're making me violent right now. Just in this thought experiment. It's like you can already see exactly what you're talking about. Like, yeah, this this leads to violence. Now, if we're going to use violence, who do you think is going to have more access to that?

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58:43Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's cool. We got to get back to cool crimes like that. Like, you know, bank robberies, right? Stealing priceless artifacts, things of that nature. I feel like that's way cooler than the 7 ,000th new cryptocurrency scheme that people are engaging in. I just honestly feel like I'm watching two people go, you're so pretty. No, you're so pretty. And then the fat one go, and you're both so pretty. Like, this is why attractive people think that they're smart and have good opinions. It's because people just look right into their eyes and go, oh, you're so handsome.

59:22Tell me more about this idea. That is cool. What does this even mean? Like, yeah, dude, like being a mob boss is cooler than jerking off in your bedroom. But that doesn't mean that it's not more criminal. It doesn't mean that it's not more evil. What type of metric is cool? What are these people even talking about? Here, just play the next clip because it's, I don't know, it's just fascinating to me that literally it seems like so much of this podcast was on the morality of stealing other people's shit that doesn't belong to you. A bunch of rich people who have life better than 99.99999 % of people who have ever lived, all talking about when it's okay for them to go take some stuff that somebody else produced, that somebody else produced that you didn't produce.

1:00:05and the fact that this is uh on the new york times platform is i mean shameful for them for all of their uh you know grandiose claims of morality across multiple one of their articles on such like minutiae points uh the fact that they will blatantly endorse that theft is uh it's not amoral to engage in theft or that it's cool and that uh i guess if it's towards people who have wealth, means, or corporations, you should engage in it. Here, let's go. Absolutely. Here, let's go. Let's go to the next clip. Wrote about the concept of social murder. And Brian Thompson, as the United Healthcare CEO, was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder, the systematized forms of violence, the structural violence of poverty, the for-profit paywalled system of healthcare in this country.

1:01:06And the consequences of that are tremendous amounts of pain, tremendous amounts of violence, tremendous amounts of deaths. And that was a fascinating story for me because America is very draconian about crime and punishment. They're very black and white on this issue. And yet, because of the... Just pause it for a second. So he's talking about this Luigi Mangiotti guy shooting this guy, and he goes, Americans are very draconian. Meaning, like, this was kind of crazy, because some people were actually cheering this guy on. Typically, Americans are very draconian on the topic of premeditated murder.

1:01:46They've got this weird allergy to it. They're so draconian about murder. But look, like, dude, I mean, you just it's just like what commie gobbledygook absolute nonsense. Like it is shit like this. It's like literally like 100 IQ arguments with the with with like pure self-assuredness that you are absolutely right in saying something. oh, you see, it's social murder. There's systematized poverty and the violence of poverty and all. And you're like, oh, in other words, you get to make up whatever bullshit you want to justify violence. That's what you're saying here. That's the bottom line. There's nothing like, what do you mean the violence of poverty?

1:02:33Do you even know what poverty is? Here's what poverty is for anybody who doesn't know the state of nature. that's what poverty is poverty is the state of nature there no one needs to uh ask the question why is there poverty we all know why there's poverty because that's the starting point that's what we've been given by god is poverty or by nature whatever however you view the world that's what we've been given is poverty poverty is the state of nature wealth has to be created But poverty, is there violent, like the violence of poverty, these ridiculous like concept creep? Well, like, yeah, poverty leads to a lot of miserable conditions.

1:03:13But no one did that to you. The world did that. And that's what justice is about, is a theory of who did what to you. In other words, in the most basic form, if you come over and smash my TV to pieces and you have the same TV in your house, you could make an argument that I'm entitled to your TV now because you came over and destroyed mine and you have the same one, so I'm entitled. Whatever. I'm entitled to some form of – what was the word I'm looking for? Some compensation. if the wind blows my TV over and it falls and shatters, I'm not entitled to your TV because you didn't do that to me. The world did that to me.

1:04:04And so anyway, this is all, and you know, I'll say this, maybe because we're coming out at the end of time here. And honestly, this does not get any less retarded. But I'll say this kind of, and in a similar sense to the warning that I've been giving to right-wingers in America about why they should be very concerned about giving power back to the insane Democrats and why they should oppose what Donald Trump is doing because it's very likely to do just that. But in the same sense, I would say, look, like Donald Trump right now has an approval rate. Even Fox News was playing the other day. It's like basically where George W.

1:04:40Bush's approval rating was, two points higher or something like that in 2000, after two disastrous wars and tanking the economy. Donald Trump's right around there. I will tell you, and I think they're going to lose the midterm elections, but you know, the Senate is still somewhat competitive as of right now. And you know, the only reason why the Democrats aren't a shoo-in at this point is because people still really hate the Democrats. They still really hate the Democrats over the last 15 years. And that's one thing that as much as people hate Donald Trump, that hasn't gone away. I mean, the Democrats are not quite at the like 24 percent approval rating that they were at in a year and a half ago, but they're at like 32.

1:05:22Still really, really bad. They're about where Donald Trump is at this point. And so the thing is, part of the reason why we all really hate Democrats and lefties like Hassan Piker is that over the last 15 years, we've just seen how brutally authoritarian you guys will be. the lack of empathy, the lack of morality, the way you will just viciously go after people. If you remember, Rob, we talked a bunch about there was one story that blew up and got national coverage. It was in 2020 during the Black Lives Matter thing where one woman, just a regular lady who worked at a job, tweeted on her or posted on her private Facebook page, all lives matter.

1:06:05and they got her fired. They ruined this woman's life. However you feel about the statement, all lives matter, and it's a counter to black lives matter or whatever, the statement was all lives matter and that got her life ruined. And this became a big national story. People were arguing about how this is like crazy cancel culture. And then there were lefties defending it. Defending, ruining some regular lady. Not because, Rob, see in this situation, even though you'd go like, wait she doesn't have power she's not a big corporation she's not anything they decided she was a kulak they decided that well the white people are the powerful in this situation and the black people are the marginalized and therefore you're fair game they were able to because look all you got to say is oh that guy was guilty of social murder what social murder i don't know rob whatever the fuck i feel like it that's what it is and like between the cancel culture and the COVID tyranny and all of this, we remember watching you motherfuckers cheer on real deal tyranny.

1:07:06Remember, Rob, our back and forth with Hassan Piker when he did a whole dumb segment about me was that he was supporting the vaccine passports. Now, you would think, Rob, can a lefty really support an apartheid caste system? Hmm. In this case, I would think the unvaccinated were the marginalized. No, he was fine with it. He justified it in his own dumb way, you know? And so just saying, dude, like you guys keep going down this path. This is also your worst nightmare. Like you guys are almost in a weird way. This is the best Trump commercial you could run. man, he's fucking up in a million different ways.

1:07:53But if you ever wanted to get people, like say people like me and you, Rob, forget even people who are not as passionately against what Donald Trump's doing right now. If you ever wanted to get us to go, you know what? We might still have to support the Republicans no matter how bad this is. Because holy shit, the idea of turning over any level of power to psychopaths like this is goddamn terrifying. Like this is the stuff of like, Like this mentality is how nightmare scenarios happen in civilizations. I'll give you the last word and then let's wrap up. Yes. To explain his outlook on health care, if my car were to break down and there was a mechanic down the street who can fix it, can I force him to fix my car at no pay?

1:08:36Were you guys at the New York Times? Are you, Hassan, with big audiences? Can someone with a little audience force you to platform them? What you're describing here is state mandated slavery where no one's entitled to charge for their labor labor. It's just owed to other people. And the state gets to allocate who has to give it to them and when they have to do it. That's called slavery. You guys are pro-slavery. That's what you're advocating for here. And of course, they'll use the fact that there's all these government. Sorry, I know I always say last word to you and then I have one more thing to say.

1:09:08But but they'll they'll use the fact that all of these government interventions have created a very unfair system. And therefore, hey, man, they're already don't have the government interventions. That's what you and I say. Well, by the way, you know, when you talk about these things like social murder and you'll talk about how these corporations are stealing from their employees because they don't pay them enough. How about the government? You know, the government doesn't do social murder. They just murder people. The government doesn't do doesn't steal in the sense that you voluntarily agreed to a thing, but they think you should get more even though you voluntarily agreed to it.

1:09:44They just take your shit at the threat of violence. Why does none of this ever apply to them? But anyway, so there's all like even the health care system. It's like, oh, there's this paywalled private system. You're referring to Obamacare, an act of Congress that created this whole system that was signed into law by the president of the United States of America. But in other words, so the government goes around just committing aggression against people, robbing from them, creating all these terrible policies. And then your response to that is that like, hey, we should also be just robbed from people.

1:10:19We should also. So then, OK, what's the end game of this is that you destroy civilization. And by the way, Rob, we can watch it right now, right? What is the, even just the, not maybe the end game, but what is the short-term result of people stealing from stores? It's fucking anytime you want to go get a stick of deodorant, it's behind a glass cage now. It's prices going up. That's what happens. These big companies factor in that there's going to be some theft. They know that. They factor that into the price of it. When you order a UFC pay-per-view, you're paying also for all the people who are pirating it.

1:11:01So take me to the logical conclusion here. What, just you stealing shit? What, results in a worker's pirating? No, it results in a world where they are paying more, they are more ripped off, and they can't even just go into like a CVS and get something. Now they got to go to a security guard before they get it. It's disgusting, infantile selfishness born out of an inability to admit where you are in the world financially, where you are in the world in your life. because you have to LARP as some champion of a class of people who you do not belong to. Okay, let's wrap up there. Catch you guys next time.

1:11:43Peace.