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31:41And, you know, I've like like I was on a Piers Morgan panel with her once. And I know Scott Horton was on a Piers Morgan panel with her once. And I knew that she was kind of infamously, she was one of the influencers in the Netanyahu, you know, when he was talking about the acquisition of TikTok and all that. She's one of the$7 ,000 club people or whatever. And but then Anna goes through this whole thing. I didn't know any of this about her. But Anna goes through this whole thing where it's like, oh, no, dude, she was like, this chick is like inoperative. Like she had admitted to being a spokesman for the government of Israel.

32:17She was like, defined herself as like a Hasbro spreader, like pre-October 7th and all this. She was friends with like highest level Likud party members and was repped by the agency that reps all of these like Hasbro. Like, she's like, oh, you're something much more approaching a foreign spy than I actually realized. But anyway, so there's literally a side. So I just saw this. But there's only two things I know about her that she just had these moments. So she had one moment where she debated Scott Horton. And she had one moment where she debated May. And in one of them, she fucking, Scott goes off on this whole rant about the difference between uranium and plutonium bombs and the actual logistics of like building a bomb.

33:02And then she responded by saying something about, you just don't understand how dangerous Colmany is. And then Scott goes, he's been dead for decades. and then she goes like like she literally just like she just thought the first ayatollah was still the guy who ruled around and scott was like he died in like the 70s but whatever scott also of course knew the month in the year that he died and the manor but like and then she just scoffed like it was just and then i had a moment with her this is how she's literally like a chick who um And like, I think it's almost like if it makes sense, like she was like the pothead at Hasbro University, like she didn't go to class that much, but she remembers a couple of things that she heard.

33:49There was so when I was debating her, she goes at one point, there's a clip of this. It went kind of viral on the Internet. But at one point she goes just like, well, I don't know. I mean, you describe, you know, Israel as an occupying force, but how come you never say anything about um egypt occupying uh palestine or jordan occupying palestine and i was like well the reason why i don't really uh focus on the egyptian occupation of gaza or the jordanian occupation of the west bank is because they both ended in 1967. oh okay she's like she just like she knew somewhere that like that was a talking point of some sort but like she didn't realize what you know what i mean like like she didn't even know like how to say it anyway this chick is like a real deal like fucking one of their people that they put out there that they and you're just like i don't know there's something about it where um it's like oh you guys really were always this bad at this it's just that you had the system rigged and that's really seems to be what's, you know, kind of coming apart about this.

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37:07Okay. Yeah. That's fair. That's a fair point. Yes. Yes. No, but I, but still, I mean, it's pretty wild to think that like, wait, now the United kingdom is, is barring Americans from traveling there due to their opinion of Israel. I mean, geez, I, again, it's just like you, you, I don't know. It's like all of the goddamn Zionist propaganda over the last few years, even this one, you almost sit there and just go, all right, who do you think that's a bigger win for ultimately? Right? Like, okay, yes, you denied Cenk speaking at one gig. Like, and there's also something kind of like by the nature of podcasting that it's like, okay, yes, he doesn't get to speak live to like a thousand people or something, but now he gets to go back to his gigantic platform and talk about it to like a million people who you know what i mean including probably all the people there unless you're going to ban the internet in the united kingdom then you know you're going to have a problem uh and so anyway it's just like oh you just you just clearly make it look like what it is that you're trying to silence dissent and that somehow one foreign country is off limits for criticism which really is insane when you think about it.

38:32I mean, we don't even think about these things when I say all types of criticism of English policy, British policy on arresting people for tweets and Muslim rape gangs and crazy immigration policies. See all types of criticism of America from every single angle. See criticism of every country. And yet there's just this one that is like, it's a criminal act of sorts to criticize them? How do you think this helps you guys? It's just like, it's unbelievable how bad they are at propaganda. Well, they're atrocious at propaganda, but they're very good at the actual government legislation side of things.

39:15And they, you know, are decent at the internet censorship with purchasing TikTok. I mean, generally speaking, they're losing the war. But I think this falls into the old world mentality a little bit of if you buy your media and opinions from official channels, this does boost like the credibility of, oh, this guy's dangerous. This person's so dangerous, the UK wouldn't let him in for a speech. And, you know, you accumulate enough of these like badges of this person's dangerous or look at how dangerous his perspective is. In an old world, that could kind of work to trick normies that this person either needs to be censored as actually a dangerous person, has radical opinions, et cetera, et cetera.

39:57in the podcast landscape that's just not working. And I guess in that regard, you know, they're still trying old tricks. Think about it. 20 years ago, if you heard, oh, wow, there's an American media broadcaster saying things so horrible that the U.K. won't let him in and you can't actually go, you know what I mean? You can't readily access his materials. You might go, oh, wow, that guy must be a real horrible person. Like that could have worked on you. It doesn't work now, but, you know, who knows what more censorship they can pair it with, though, and suddenly it starts working. Look, you're right.

40:26Right. You're absolutely right. I mean, that's the dynamic, right, is that they're no good at this propaganda campaign outside of the controlled environment. And they're still good at it for the age of people who don't get their media from, you know, alternative media sources. And so they can still convince boomers with Fox News propaganda. But yeah, it's just so bad. They just die a sudden like a like a human being who's put in outer space without a space suit or something like that. you're just like you are not evolved to survive in this environment and that's it's that simple however in the environment of getting laws passed and wielding power they're you know they're in their element and perhaps the inverse is true about us that we're human beings in outer space when it comes to that environment and luckily in this case they're not i mean for i don't mean luckily they're not gonna have to own it because they i think the official reason was it was against the public good uh i don't know that they further explain that i saw somewhere i guess that it was that uh there's already too much anti-semitism in the country but typically speaking you know donald trump might go who the do you think you are and willing to tell us our people can't come into your country and give speeches but in this case donald trump has no interest in that and so and i you know i don't live in england so i don't know to what extent uh their propaganda or censorship laws are working on the general population so you know might not might not helped their case in this country, but maybe it's working over there.

41:53Yeah. Yeah. And we'll see. No, it is interesting. Like I even said the, uh, there was someone, I don't know. It was like the chief financial officer or something like that at daily wire came at me the other day, called me retarded on Twitter. And then I just, uh, I literally just say, Hey, chief financial officer, look at your numbers. Yeah. Well, I said, uh, I, well, I said something like send the best guy you got from the collapsing daily wire let's see how retarded i am and then i said oh yeah that's right all of you are fucking bitches and none of you will come because you know i'm just this is at this point i'm just this is what i'm on with the daily wire guys when they talk shit about me anymore okay yeah just like enough you guys have talked to every last one of your biggest hosts have fucking talked shit about me not one of you are willing to come see me so like that that's just it then shut up or move on or come do it and see what's up but um but i mean it's not even like they sent one of their guys it's just like the cheat he doesn't have like a twitter front it's just fucking everyone's just trashing them and you're like i can't believe you guys can't even how do you guys not come up with like a company strategy here you're like don't just have a random account throw pot shots here but anyway i did want to talk about what he claimed uh was so retarded because I, you know, we, we mentioned this a little bit.

43:10Um, but I just think even as the dust settled, I had made, it was one of the, uh, clips from when I recorded with, uh, Liam McCollum, uh, where I, I basically said, you know, like, I really think Thomas Massey could do something huge by running for president here. Like, I mean, I think he's got a great track and I got into an argument on Twitter with Oren McIntyre about this and who I like very much, but I really disagree with him on this. But every, you know, it's funny because people want to like laugh this off, like, oh, that's ridiculous. And essentially it seems like all they have to say is that, hey, you lost a primary in Kentucky.

43:50So obviously that you can't win the presidency. And I got to say, I just, I'm kind of shocked by what, like, it's just such a low resolution analysis of the real dynamics that are going on here. It's like, okay, first of all, Thomas Massey didn't just lose a primary. Thomas Massey won seven consecutive primaries by huge margins in this district. And then only after the absolute full court press of more money from the Israel lobby pumped in than has ever been pumped into a congressional campaign ever, a full Fox News block out, the president going on a rampage, sending the secretary of war to go give speeches only after a full court press did they manage to unseat him.

44:40And all it really worked to do was was work on the boomers. It just made the younger people love him even more. Now, several things are true here. That's going to be very hard to scale to a presidential race. OK, I mean, you do the math on it, Rob, but like even someone like Miriam Adelson could send$32 million into a little district in Kentucky, but like she can't send$32 million into every little district in the United States of America. I don't know exactly what the math on that would be, but you're talking about like this, this is going to be in the billions or tens of billions of dollars.

45:22That's a different proposition. And again, the Fox News blackout is one thing for a, you know, small congressional primary race, but a presidential race, that's a whole different thing. You tell me, do you see a world where Thomas Massey runs for president and he isn't doing all the podcast circuit and just doing huge, huge shows constantly? It's going to be very, very hard for even Fox news these days to block that out. And then you go, Rob, look, dude, the fucking, at least according to the latest, that latest daily mailer piece, who knows, but they're saying JD Vance isn't even going to run.

46:06I'm pretty convinced that Marco Rubio is going to be the fucking, um, the nominee that's backed by the administration and the establishment because, you know, just think about it, Rob, who really makes the decisions here, but it seems to me like it's Miriam Adelson. And if Miriam Adelson is really making the decisions or at least has a lot of influence, I think Marco Rubio ends up being the one, not J.D. Vance, who they get behind. And, you know, unlike most presidents, Donald Trump has not committed to, I'll support my vice president. So anyway, you're telling me, dude, Marco Rubio, little, weird-looking, uncharismatic Marco Rubio is going to run in a Republican primary against America first, anti-Israel lobby, you know, proponent of exposing deep state criminality, Thomas Massey.

46:59I think everything about the voting patterns of the Republicans over the last decade suggests that he'd be, he would have a serious lane that he owns there. I don't know. People are saying this. I think this is like, he's the guy and it's the best thing we could hope for right now. Yep. I, uh, I think, uh, listen, these people are just being dismissive. It's the same crap as the Donald Trump thing. Uh, and so, you know, they're trying to pretend, Hey, you're a bunch of losers. You'd like this thing's over. Um, but I mean, in the general elections, you got to capture more than just the 30 % of hardcore Republicans that are completely locked in with Trump and Trump's going to be gone anyways.

47:40I don't think anyone really picks up just the MAGA title. Uh, Donald Trump did run on being anti-war. He ran on a lot of America first things. If you're Marco Rubio, you're now the old school Republican establishment who, if anything, guided Donald Trump into all the things you were hoping this administration wouldn't be. And then you got the guy who fought for the Epstein transparency, talked out against this war, has talked out against these, you know, changes to food with the Glicefate and then the other stuff. I just think every single talking points in Massey's favor and he's got more of an opportunity for independence for reaching Democrats I mean if you end up with like a Newsom or an AOC I could see a lot of Democrats just preferring with Thomas Massey's running on so absolutely I it's just uh it's the same cheerleading dismissive stupidity of these people of just hey look he lost in Kentucky can't possibly all right well I I think that was the almost the entire point was wow they managed to rig this tiny district because he got a bunch of old people and they spent this much money.

48:42That's, you're not, you're, you're not contending with what we're actually saying, which is this guy is more popular than what that reflects. And you might've even given him a boost, uh, in terms of running on the national stage. Absolutely. You know, and I would just add to that. And this looks, first off, Thomas Massey's a young man. He's not starting to run for president the age Ron Paul is. I mean, he could, Thomas Massey could have multiple runs in him if he wanted to. And I do think, and I'd even, you know, I don't want to overstate something here. So maybe I'll even ask Natalie to like check if we can get numbers on this, but something that is going to become a factor here is that boomers are dying and they're not like all going to be gone.

49:24But I mean, I literally just mean this, like maybe not even by 28, but like by 32, how many boomers are less are we going to have? Like Natalie, Google, how many boomers die each year in America. Curious what the number is for that right now, right? Because it's got to be like, I'm just saying like, there might be millions less people in that category of voters, and millions more people in the young people category of voters. Now, obviously, the boomers show up at a higher rate still. But still, if you're peeling off millions of people like that, it's going to make a pretty big difference. And, you know, there's, you know, if you were looking at, again, 28 is a long way off.

50:05And so who knows what can happen between here and now. But if you're looking at candidates like on the Democratic side, as you mentioned here, like AOC or Gavin Newsom, or even if you saw like a wild card, like a Stephen A. Smith type or something like that. But if you, you know, you could consider maybe Bobby Kennedy running again, But I just don't think there's any energy behind that at this point. And Thomas Massey being a legit, no fooling critic of the Israel lobby, the warfare state, the Epstein class, like all of this with all the street cred in the world, I think would have massive appeal amongst some left wing people, even young liberal people, like all types.

50:53You know, there really could be like a huge coalition that could be found there. You know, the country is not at all where the boomer Republicans are. 5 ,000 a day are dying right now. All right. Oh, man, that's going to be a lot of math to get to what I wanted to. Yeah. So, like, I mean, look, maybe this is more a factor in 32 or 36 or something like that. But it's still something to keep your eye on. And I don't know. Yeah, like you said, people are just being dismissive. But the truth is, this is the guy taking the America first position on every last one of these issues. And every last one of the issues that he's running on are widely popular with the excuse me, I should say every last issue that got him into so much trouble.

51:49are actually issues where the overwhelming majority of the people are with him. My quick math is that's close to 4 million less boomers by the time the next election comes around. 1.8 million a year is what they're saying. Yeah, so that's right around there. And what was the winning margin of most elections? It's not 4 million people. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, that's a huge, you know, you peel off a few million boomers and Republican primaries move a little bit. Like if you had peeled off a percentage of boomers in his congressional district, that changes everything. And one of the other things is that this kind of political martyrdom that in a metaphorical sense Thomas Massey has been put in, this actually made him more popular with the younger people.

52:43So like his numbers were higher than ever before with young people. He is maybe the most popular political figure amongst young people in the country right now. And that's always a powerful thing because, look, it is true that young people don't show up to vote in as – like young people as a broad demographic are less of a reliable voter than boomers are. Boomers vote. They will show up and vote. Young people get flaky on you. But at the same time, what any national campaign needs is a base of energetic grassroots organizers and activists. And that is almost always exclusively young people or overwhelmingly young people, because those are the people who have the passion and the time to do something like that.

53:34Whereas older people got families and mortgages and shit, and it's harder for them to join a political campaign or, you know, phone bank or knock on doors or do stuff like that or make viral social media content. You need young people that that young energy for that. And he's going to have that in spades. And the other thing about Thomas Massey, man, is that, look, there's a reason why his opponent refused to debate him. And you know what I mean? Like Thomas Massey is good at that. that he's good at explaining things. He's good at exposing bad guys. He's good on a microphone. He's good at doing a podcast.

54:10Like he's a really good messenger of a lot of these points. And yeah, I mean, I just think like, I'd look at that and think there's enormous potential in, in, in a Thomas Massey run. And I think that, listen, I'm not even saying like essentially what I said the other day in that clip was that I go, he could win, he could win this, but even if he doesn't, this wouldn't be something like a Ron Paul run or a Pat Buchanan run in terms of how big it is. It would be something like a Bernie Sanders run. It would be like as if the libertarians would have their Bernie Sanders moment at the very least, I think, if Thomas Massey ran, which would mean like it'd be this enormous thing.

54:51It'd have a ton of energy behind it. There'd be a ton of young people. It would get the message out to like millions of people and really quite possibly change the trajectory of where people's political, you know, worldviews head. And then in, you know, look, I mean, whenever you're looking at these things, it's going to be a grassroots base of support that support Thomas Massey. And it's going to be the powerful and the wealthy who oppose him. and okay, power and money tends to win out in American politics, but not always. And that doesn't mean he can't win. And it doesn't mean he couldn't do something really huge that could really, I mean, I think help shape the future of the country.

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56:47Just head to Ridge.com and use that promo code POTP10 and you're all set. One more time, Ridge.com, promo code POTP10 for 10 % off. All right, let's get back into the show. I'm all about trying to get him to do that. I certainly hope he does it because it's exciting and I'd like to see that story play out and And perhaps we're so enamored by him, we expect him to do better than he'll actually do. And that certainly is a possibility. I'm not always the best gauge of other people's stupidity and their interest. There's a lot of things that the general population really loves that I don't understand.

57:25Taylor Swift being just one example. But, you know, I'm excited for it. I want to see it happen. And if it turns out that that's not the vehicle for changing the government, you know, I won't take it as a personal loss. But I think there's enough there's enough to work with there that I think it's a legitimate possibility. And it would be a missed opportunity if it's not tried. Yeah. And I would just say to, you know, to libertarians, to people who, you know, with whatever is libertarians at the moment, I kind of think are like stronger than we've ever been in terms of having like a cultural presence in the national conversation.

58:05And there is a certain degree of like, I think that in the online world right now, particularly when it comes to like foreign policy, government corruption, things like that, you're almost like you kind of have to come through a lot of these ideas at this point. Whereas it used to be that people were able to just ignore them. And we have, you know, just we have more figures with big shows doing big things than we've ever had before. Obviously, the state of the party is a bit of a mess. And, you know, but we've got there's the Free State Project in New Hampshire, which has been able to do a bunch of things.

58:48really honestly been very incredibly successful so far. There's been major like homeschooling movements. We've got huge podcasts that a lot of people listen to. We've had local wins with things like defend the guard. And, you know, like we, but literally I think almost every libertarian right now would recognize that literally, and I mean, with all of those things that I just mentioned, so much of what we have, not saying everything, But so much of what we have is because Ron Paul ran for president twice. Like, this is just a fact that, and Rob, you know this very well, right? If you go into almost any libertarian thing, now this is a little bit, it's not a completely honest sample survey.

59:34You are you after all. But if you go into almost all these libertarian things and you were to say like, hey, great show of hands, how many people are here because they found libertarianism through Ron Paul? were introduced to these ideas or converted, it's going to be a huge percentage. I'm not saying it's everyone, but it's going to be a third of the whole fucking movement or something like that, you know? I mean, I think, I have almost no doubt in my mind that, like, the Free State Project would be much weaker if Ron Paul hadn't run for president. Like, a lot of people learned about it that way and then found out about the Free State Project and then moved there.

1:00:12A lot of people wouldn't be doing the Ron Paul homeschool curriculum, obviously, if they hadn't found through Ron Paul. I'm like, so again, these were presidential campaigns where he lost, where he didn't have the youth or all of the technological and media advantages that Thomas Massey has. From my perspective, looking at it like that, it's like, if we think that like having a stronger, like having more libertarians, having a stronger presence of people with libertarian ideas, if you think that that might be helpful toward the end of a more free society, which it seems to me obviously has to be part of it.

1:00:50I don't see anything we could do that would be like more bang for your buck than have one of our best guys with an amazing track record standing on the most important issues and just being right about all of them and exposing, who knows? I mean, he could expose tens of millions of people to these ideas. So I'm all for it. I think it's absolutely worth doing. And if he's willing to do it, man, we could make some noise. Dude, a Massey-Rubio debate in the primaries would just be so great. I mean, dude, what? And think this through for me. You know, like, really play this out. Like, okay, if it ends up being Marco Rubio versus Thomas Massey, which, look, no guarantee it will, but that seems like the most likely right now to me.

1:01:36All right. I get it. I get Rubio's going to have the Adelson money, and Rubio's going to have the establishment, but like, yeah, Rob, what happens if he has to see him in a debate? Like, really? Get up there and defend this war in Iran in a couple years. No, it was really great that we did that. We had to. Like, okay. And all Thomas Massey, you know, has to do is like, let me tell you what we're going to do. Everything Donald Trump said, except this time we mean it. Except this time we're not going to sell you out. We're done fighting these wars. America is not fighting stupid, unwinnable wars anymore.

1:02:12And I actually mean it because I'm Thomas Massey. And you know, the Epstein files, my first order as president is going to be to have the CIA and the NSA declassify everything they have. We're going to force the Justice Department to give us the other three million files. And you know what? We're doing JFK and 9-11 too. We're going through all of this. I mean drain the swamp when I say that. That's the difference between me and Donald Trump. I mean drain the swamp. And you know what drain the swamp means? Ending the printing money machine. And you know what all these Democrats call unaffordability?

1:02:40Hey, let me talk to you, our Democratic friends. That is called monetary policy. That's what you're talking about. This is what happens when you devalue your currency. You know, all those stupid wars we fought, we can't afford them. And we couldn't tax you enough or borrow enough from them. So we've just been printing the money. And that's why none of you can afford to live anymore. I mean, there's a pretty big lane there for that, wouldn't you say? You know, Orrin McIntyre, again, who I like, but he said to me on Twitter, he goes, oh, Dave, you guys are so delusional. Like, you'll never learn.

1:03:15It's just like I had to tell the DeSantis people. And you're like, dude, DeSantis? DeSantis had to try to take the throne from Donald Trump while he was being persecuted by the Democratic administration. Before he had betrayed his entire voter base. Thomas Massey's going up against little Marco. Little Marco Rubio has run for president before. Do you know how he did? He fell flat on his face. He's much more comparable to Kamala Harris. You know, like Trump is Barack Obama. Marco Rubio is Kamala Harris. There's no comparison between trying to take the throne from those two people. It's a totally different lane.

1:03:57And also DeSantis was running essentially in the pro-war lane against Donald Trump. refusing to speak out against the war in Ukraine and then totally capitulating to everything having to do with Israel. So I'm sorry, these two things are not the same. And I think you're missing the bigger themes right now. Like, you know, do you know how much desire there is for a serious presidential candidate who's critical of Israel, critical of the US relationship with Israel and critical of the wars we fight over them? You know how much like desire there is for that right now? Who's the other serious one?

1:04:35Who's going to fill that lane? You explain that to me. You're telling me there's this wide open lane. The majority of the country wants this and nobody's going to fill this lane. Okay. But what happens when one person does?

1:04:51Just saying. What happened when one person filled the we don't want illegal immigration lane? It was pretty big. All right. We're going to wrap up on that. see you guys this weekend in toronto and other places where rob bernstein will be porch tour.com burnett new york byron michigan pittsburgh and then uh white bear lake minnesota porch tour.com hell yeah all right catch you guys tomorrow peace