The Cowardice of Sam Harris

32:08It's just sophist nonsense. so you do this thing it's like the thing anyone does like uh um you know you ask yourself really easy questions and then answer them like are there some issues with settlement expansions sure have some people died who shouldn't have died in wars okay but there's still a vast difference between the morality of israel and these other states we're like okay but yeah that that's a That assertion actually falls apart when given some pushback. So, yeah, this is why you won't debate it. I don't know. Any thoughts, Robert? Should I keep reading? Yeah, let's keep reading. All right.

32:48Next, a simple heuristic. As I suggested in at least one community thread already, if my intransigence on these matters mystifies you, it might help to understand that for whatever reason, I think militant Islam is 10 times worse than you think it is. When I talk about, quote, jihadists and their various groups, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, the IRGC, etc., I'm talking about people who I consider to be worse than Nazis, jihadists being essentially Nazis who are certain of paradise. My view about the conflict in the Middle East will not fundamentally change unless my critics produce evidence that Israel has become as evil as her enemies.

33:30um okay well there's lots of evidence that israel has become as bad as her enemies even worse again it's just a ridiculous non-argument i mean this is like the antithesis of intellectualism to just say i refuse to debate a thing because my mind won't be changed all right well most of the time, and when I say most of the time, I mean 99.99999 % of the time, debaters' opinions aren't changed through debate. The point of the debate isn't really, like no one's going, no one in your own community here is challenging you to grow a pair and step up and debate someone because they think this is how we change your mind.

34:21Like if we were just interested in changing Sam Harris's mind, we'd probably send sam harris a book or send sam harris a letter or jump on the phone with sam harris or you know like someone who knew him or something like that or write him you know whatever the point is that you're full of shit and you can't defend these assertions and that will be that will be exposed if you ever debated someone competent who is a critic that's the point just saying my mind won't be changed doesn't really mean anything and i'm sure that's true I see two dirty tricks being played here. First is there's a difference between the innocent civilian population in these countries and the people that engage in jihadism.

35:01And you're grouping them both together and you're indicting all of the people as if they are extreme jihadists, which is not true. And then you're also putting the extreme on Israel if Israel is as bad as the jihadists, which is not really a fair criteria to whether or not you can criticize Israel. I mean what some of the settlers are doing in Israel is reprehensible what some of the military has uh chosen to engage in in civilian targeting is reprehensible like you can you know what I mean I don't know you could have a guy who killed 25 people and a guy who killed one and then you don't point and go well the one didn't kill 25 we should let's talk about the guy who killed 25 they're both a problem that doesn't that doesn't give the what the guy who killed one person a pass on account of the fact that somebody killed 25 people so it's just it's just two dirty tricks.

35:50One is not all, uh, Palestinians or people who believe in, uh, Islam are these jihadists. And so you've, you've grouped that entire population together as, uh, as being guilty of extreme jihadism. And then you refuse to even criticize Israel for anything they've done. If it's not on the level of what the extreme jihadists have done, it just, uh, it seems like a very unfair framing. Yeah. And I mean, it's just, honestly, it's just kind of dumb. I mean, like for, for Sam Harris, who like prides himself on being this intellectual, once again, I don't think he actually is, but it's like, well, just so you know, I hate them even more than you hate them.

36:29I hate them more than Nazis. Okay. Like what? All right. It's like, they're even worse than Nazis. They're just Nazis who believe in paradise or something. It's like, OK, have they have they pulled off a Holocaust, though? Did they get us into a world war? Like, what are you even basing this on? It's just worse than Nazi. OK, worse than Nazi. So if Israel's not worse than Nazi, then Israel better than worse than Nazi. Wow. Amazing argument, Sam Harris. OK. Anyway, is what Israel's doing to the Gaza justified or not is a more reasonable, you know, starting point. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor.

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39:42Short of this, there remains a world of difference between the two sides, and I believe that we should focus on how brutalizing it is for any free society to confront enemies that can sincerely claim to, quote, love death more than everyone else loves life. For this has been the Israelis' predicament for the better part of a century. Okay, let's take this apart a little bit. Another dirty trick. It's all Sam Harris is doing here. But if you know what he's doing here is he's going, OK, when Israel becomes all of these caricatures that I have of the Palestinians, then I then I have an issue with it.

40:25But it's like, wait, why do they have to be these specific ones? What if they just did something else really horrible and evil? Like, for example, just hypothetical. Let's just say like Israel legalized baby murder. I'm not talking abortion, just like running up and killing someone six month old. They made that legal. OK, they don't have any of these other qualities that you've just mentioned here, but that's still pretty cartoonishly evil. Right. So would that be bad, too? Like, why does it have to be exactly these parameters? And then the double whammy is that the Israelis almost fit these parameters identically.

40:59identically like if you actually look into the things he's saying and then objectively measure it they've done more of it than the palestinians have let's go through this a little bit here okay if uh if the israelis let's say the israelis morphed into a death cult

41:18well rob what's the objective definition of a death cult like what do you mean they they started slaughtering people. They like death. They brought death to a lot of people. Okay. They've done that 10x the Palestinians. Like that's just objective. Okay. So there's your first death cult. Uses its own civilian population as human shields. That's an interesting one, Rob. You know, I don't know if you saw when Glenn Greenwald got the IDF spokesman on Pierce Morgan to admit that, yes, Israel puts military installations in civilian areas. Just to be clear, they use human shields every bit as much as the Palestinians use human shields.

42:01The difference is that the Palestinians don't have an air force. It's not like they have the option to bomb them and then use the most pathetic justification ever, that, oh, they're behind human shields, and therefore it's okay to just carpet bomb Tel Aviv or something like that. Both Gaza and the West Bank have been militarily occupied since 1967. They're occupied by the military that has bases in civilian areas inside Israel proper. So that's just factually speaking. He's just wrong about that. The human shields arguments applies both ways. OK, that was the next one. Human shields. If ordinary Israelis began to celebrate martyrdom above every earthly priority.

42:43All right. I mean, yeah, maybe they don't celebrate martyrdom in the same way. They sure do. I mean, I don't know. They sure do seem to celebrate the things that even you admitted were wrong. Right. Like the expanding settlements in the West Bank. I've seen all types of celebrations over the war in Gaza. Rob, I'm sure you've seen a ton of the videos where like Israelis were going and like watching the war, like watching Gaza and watching the explosions during it and rooting for it at politicians signing bombs. There's all types of examples of just really sick kind of like worship. But again, this is what happens in wars on all sides.

43:22It's just not unique to the other side. Okay. If the residents of Tel Aviv condone the taking of Palestinian infants, old women, and other non-combatants as hostages, I mean, they just call them prisoners. They take way more. like you could make this a distinction but let's say the people living in the west bank they they face military tribunals you know what their conviction rate is it's like over 99 like is there really a meaningful difference between prisoners and hostages you know hamas also captured some idf guys but we still look at them as hostages and we still look at some eight-year-old Palestinian as a prisoner.

44:10Dude, Israel's sitting on thousands and thousands of, of Palestinians over the years, thousands and thousands and thousands of Palestinians who did not get a fair trial. Some of them didn't even get military tribunals, by the way, thousands of them got nothing just held without, without charges, without a trial, nothing. So yes, actually they do do that. They do that as well. Um, that gathering, uh, what do you say? noncombatants and hostages, then gather in crowds of thousands, bang for their blood. Yes, they also do that. I don't know. Go look at public opinion polls in Israel. Yeah, there's huge support for what they do to the Palestinians.

44:52So anyway, I don't know, Rob, anything you want to add to this, but it just goes through a whole list that if Israel does exactly my caricature of what the other side is doing, then I'd hate them. The thing is, they do most of this yeah i i guess uh initially i didn't gravitate so much to that israel violates all these specific things as much as it's a specific list and it doesn't justify killing of innocent civilians so uh the fact that you know i i guess unless like you got some weird idea of ritualizing a specific way of murdering people and being evil towards another group of people and so that that's specifically the only thing that actually makes it wrong uh this seems like a very stupid perspective.

45:34Yeah, agreed. All right. The problem in the Middle East is not and has never been the existence of the state of Israel. The problem is jihadism, Islamism, Islamic extremism, Islamofascism, militant Islam, or whatever words you want to use to describe the belligerence and triumphal lunacy of those who take the most pernicious doctrines of Islam too seriously. Why is every single person that lives in these regions guilty of that? And why don't you assume the same thing about Arab Israelis? Why is it that some kid that's just born in Gaza is automatically guilty of this? No, that's right. And of course, this is again, it's just so dumb.

46:16It's just a giant assertion. And then you just what you came up with seven, seven. It's literally like Mark Levin. Like you sound like a nine year old playing with action figures like you just came up with every word you can. It's Islamofascism, Islamism, Islamic terror, Islamic this. He goes, all you've left me with in this paragraph is the problem isn't Israel. The problem is them. That's all you've said. Okay. I mean, by the way, I'm not nearly – there's an asymmetry as always is the case here because I'm not making the equal opposite point of Sam Harris. Like, I would never say, like, the problem has not, the problem in the Middle East is only Israel and has nothing to do with radical Islam.

47:00And obviously there's elements of all of these things that these are the dynamics of the region. And yes, of course, there's problems on all sides. But to pretend that the military occupation has nothing to do with what's going on here, it just has nothing to do with the issue, is absurd. It's an absurd assertion that you could not defend in a debate. And that's why you don't want to have the debate. It's easy to write a paragraph that essentially just says, my side good, your side bad. That's essentially what this says. It's a lot tougher to have to come defend that idea. Okay, next paragraph.

47:40I won't debate the history of the Middle East because it's relevant to resolving the conflict there. That's convenient. Of course, many people insist that we must disentangle and reconsider every strand of this history going back at least a century. The reason I'm convinced this is a fool's errand is simple. Palestinians and Israelis have discrepant accounts of the past, and no amount of study or debate will reconcile them. Wow. That might be the most anti-intellectual sentence that's ever been written. Rob, let's stop doing history. I say the world is flat, Sam. You say it's round. What are we going to get into this?

48:22We have differences. We can't get into debating this. You feel one way, I feel the other way. There's no reconciling that. Yes, that might be true, but one of those positions is correct and the other one is not. And whether you're like, if I were to say I'm a flat earther and my mind's not going to be changed, that's why I won't debate this issue. Is that a really compelling argument, Sam Harris? Maybe if I say it in a, I was a flat earther, I simply refuse to debate. Round earthers, our differences are simply irreconcilable. And I'm not gonna get into the history of whether the world has always been flat or always been round.

48:58Now, is it a great point or is it still really fucking stupid? This is ridiculous to go, history is history. Are you advocating that we give up on history as a field because people have differences? that lots of people have different arguments about what happened historically but then what you do is you look to the first-hand sources you look to the first-hand accounts you work to his story you look to historians you read books about this shit you make arguments like i don't know what are we even sam harris is making an argument against arguments they have a difference they have a difference in understanding of the history therefore i won't debate it i guess if you want to frame that the entire reaction to Israel is just violent jihadism and that it's just that this group of people would be looking to exterminate the Jews no matter what.

49:46And you wouldn't want any historical context. You wouldn't want a concept of something like blowback. You wouldn't want, you know, and I'm not justifying Palestinian aggression towards innocent civilians in Israel, but I am saying that someone might become a jihadist because of military activities that took place in their area against them. And so it could be that if the military engagements against them and innocent civilians in their area didn't exist, people wouldn't be brought to extremist jihadism. And so to go, Hey, let's not look at the history at all. I don't know. It's a little like if someone stole my keys and started running to my car and then I ran up and I hit them in the face and the cop showed up and goes, Oh, this guy attacked me.

50:27I go, well, he just took my keys. Well, let's not look at the history of how we got here. Yeah. He's got one history. You have another history i mean rob what are we gonna do where is there is there a method for solving this but it's literally like i mean i don't know it's just like you know i uh you know i believe in gravity and you go yeah you believe in gravity but then somebody else doesn't believe in gravity i mean what's the point of even debating this like i don't know we got like a physics department down at the local university i think they right isn't there an idea here that there's a system there's a science uh no i mean look this is it's obvious the reason why sam harris doesn't want to get into the history of it is because that might be kind of humanizing toward the other side.

51:08And clearly what he's in the business of doing is dehumanizing them. And that's the whole game. And it's like, you know, I don't know, like you, you, you kidnap a five-year-old and keep them in your basement for 10 years. And then he comes out and he's a crazy 15 year old and you go, look at the other side's crazy, you know, and, and you go, well, look, you kidnapped him. You say, I don't want to get into history. Well, yeah, obviously you don't. Yes. I mean, like Like if you get into the history, you're going to have to admit some uncomfortable facts like Israel ethnically cleansed a whole bunch of Palestinians in order to create the state of Israel.

51:42That they started militarily occupying them after they won the 67 war and have been doing so ever since. And as soon because as soon as you admit that part of the history, then you go, oh, oh, OK. You know, it's the same as like when they would go after 9-11, they say they hate us because we're free. Like they would say that because that's a way for you to shut your brain off. If someone hates you because you're free, well, then what are you going to do other than kill all of them? But if someone hates you for earthly reasons, then you might go, oh, I get it. They're a human being. You know, that doesn't mean they're justified.

52:18That doesn't mean they're a good human being, but it just means like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Ethically cleansed a whole bunch of people and then brutally militarily occupied them for 60 years. Okay. That's why they hate you. That makes sense. And so Sam doesn't want to talk about that. So he just goes, I won't. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Superpower. It is summer or it's just about summer. And this is the time of year where people think about health. people are out in the nice weather and try to be healthier usually than they are in the winter.

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54:46What's far more important to understand, and I think it really is the only thing worth considering, is what the current inhabitants of Israel, the Palestinian territories, and the surrounding Arab states want out of life. Not what they pretend to want or what a handful of the royal families want, while their populations want something quite different. What do the Jews and the Muslims in the region really yearn to accomplish? What are they willing to sacrifice for? What are they willing to die for? And what are they willing to let their children die for? When we focus on the present this way, if we're being honest, we must concede that there are two very different realities on either side of this conflict, culturally, psychologically, ethically, spiritually, in every way that matters.

55:34Yes, Israel has its religious fanatics too, but they aren't the same sort of fanatics we find in Hamas or Hezbollah, and they're far less representative of the surrounding culture. Notwithstanding, everything that can be said against Prime Minister Netanyahu, the Israeli far right, and the settlers in the West Bank, and there is much to condemn, I believe the following remains true. If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace. There could be a two-state solution. There could even be a one-state solution. It wouldn't matter. If the Palestinians simply stopped killing Jews and stopped building a culture that celebrates pointless murder and martyrdom as its highest value, there could be a diverse, tolerant, and prosperous society between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

56:23There could have been one 80 years ago. But if the Israelis laid down their weapons, there would be a genocide. This was obviously true on October 7th. And for anyone who's been paying attention, it has been true on every other day since the founding of the state of Israel. um look all i can say is this i've done a lot of these debates a lot of debates on israel palestine i think i have a pretty good record in those debates but you know that's for the audience uh to decide but i've had tons of people come at me with this garbage there's a reason why you can't bring this in a debate against a competent debater because it's just this is just the this is pure political talking points just totally removed from the reality of the situation and so look let's um well he yada yada's over the history the history ain't important that's says the true intellectual history isn't important um and then he says well what is important is the mindset of each side of this conflict and what they really want what they're really willing to die for what they really care about.

57:33But then, of course, it's just a buried assumption in there that the Israelis all just want everything good and noble and that's, you know, and we're not to judge them based on their actions. We're not like, what if I were to say the Israelis want to kill 100 ,000 Palestinians? You say, no, they don't. They don't want to do that. OK, well, I say they did and they did it. So there's some evidence that that's what they want. Maybe I were to say that the Israels want to control large swaths of Syria. They want to annex the West Bank. They want to annex Gaza. They want to annex southern Lebanon. What if I were to say that?

58:10Is that what they want? Is that not what they want? They're doing it. The Knesset voted to annex the West Bank. They've had the biggest years of settlement expansion in Israeli history in recent years. They've announced that they're annexing, I believe, 65 percent of Gaza as of now. Netanyahu said it might be more the other day. They announced that they're taking southern Lebanon and they already took parts of area. I think it's pretty reasonable for me to say that what they want is the greater Israel project and that they're willing to kill real live babies in order to expand their, their political faction.

58:43But then again, you'd have to come debate that to actually get into any of these topics. And then this, I'm sorry. I mean, I've literally, I've had people come at me with this in debates and it's just the easiest thing in the world to smack down. First of all, when you say things like, if like this is a dirty trick i know i've taken i've taken this on on the show before but they'll say this thing right if the palestinians were to lay down all their arms we'd have peace if the israelis were to lay down all their arms we'd have genocide well this would almost be like on the level of you know let's say you were alive in 2003 well i guess we were all alive in 2003 let's say it was 2003 george w bush is making his it's early 2003 he's making his case for why he has to invade Iraq.

59:27And he's like, you know, they have weapons of mass destruction. They're friends with the terrorists. They were in on 9-11. We can't allow them to get a nuclear weapon and hand it off to a terrorist. And then we got a nuke exploding in Kansas. Also, the war will be quick and easy. We'll be greeted as liberators. It'll be paid for in oil. It'll be a cakewalk. Okay. So George Bush is saying all of that. And then someone correctly comes out and counters and go, it will not be a cakewalk. It'll be a catastrophe. It'll cost trillions of dollars. It'll kill hundreds of thousands of people. They don't have weapons of mass destruction.

1:00:01They're not in bed with the terrorists, right? So like you have these two arguments, clearly one in hindsight turned out to be correct. The other is what we did. And let's say someone in the middle of that argument went, no, no, no, no, no, everyone stop everything. I want you to imagine a thought experiment. Imagine all of the Iraqis disarmed tomorrow. There'd be peace. But imagine all of Americans disarmed tomorrow. There'd be war. It's like, what does that have to do with anything? Is there any plausible reality where all of Iraq disarms? Is there any plausible reality where all of America disarms?

1:00:38Is anyone advocating that every Israeli give away their guns and just all sit there as, as, you know, sitting ducks. Yeah. That probably wouldn't work out well. Also like in the, in the large scale of things, the Palestinians essentially have been disarmed. Like, what do you even mean by this? What, like if their air force steps up, they don't have an air force. If their army disbanded, they don't have an army. They don't have a Navy. They don't have any military. They don't have a government. They're essentially have been disarmed. There's been about as big a power imbalance between the Israelis and the Palestinians as two neighbors could have.

1:01:18I mean, you know, like, do we have more of a balance imbalance with Mexico? Probably not. Mexico has a government. They have an army. May not be the most effective one, but they've got one. They have some degree of expectations of sovereignty. Palestinians have none of that. there's obviously a huge asymmetry between this in this conflict. And what have the Palestinians gotten for that? Have they gotten peace? No, they've gotten subject subjugation in perpetuity. And so, again, the question isn't what would happen in a thought experiment if the Palestinians disarmed or if the Israelis disarmed.

1:01:56By the way, there's no evidence to suggest that if the Palestinians disarmed, they'd get a two state solution tomorrow. I don't know. Netanyahu isn't even saying that. All of the people in control of the Israeli government are saying a two-state solution is never going to happen. But again, this is all just a distraction from the real question, which is what Israel just did to Gaza justified. Does Israel have a right to southern Lebanon? Is Israel pulling the Americans into a war? Is Israel trying to thwart the current negotiations? These are questions that matter. This dumb thought experiment is nothing.

1:02:32And this is why you won't come debate it because it's easy to tear this shit apart i'd also point out that uh prior to the creation of the state of israel when uh rothschild went over there and he bought up a bunch of land and he made investments in real estate and he put up jewish settlers there were they exterminated by the native population i mean very fair point man i mean if you want to delete history from it i guess you wouldn't have to look at whether you're getting into history here no fair whether or not israeli actions have changed, you know, the nature of Arab aggression towards, you know, the Jewish people living in the state of Israel.

1:03:11But I do believe that there's a historical example of them living there without just being exterminated. Yeah, no, there was a Jewish population there. I mean, with, with, there was a continuous Jewish population in Palestine for all of those years. Yeah, no, that's right, Rob. It's a very good point. And but again, like just to say that, like in in this hype, but also what they do is they set up a standard that will never be met. So like the Palestinians have to disarm. What does that mean? Like I said, they don't have a military. What does that mean to disarm? No one has a rifle. There's not a single Palestinian with a rifle.

1:03:50Like when when is the level of disarming that a two state solution automatically kicks in? And of course, over the years, there's been lots of examples where Palestinians entered negotiations with Israel. We had the Oslo Accords. We had Hebron and Camp David and all these meetings. It didn't magically result in a two-state solution. And of course, Rob, as we know, right? Like even, again, I'm sorry, I'm breaking the rule and getting into some history here. But Netanyahu admits that he was propping up Hamas in order to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state. So like, doesn't that just I know I'm sorry, this is why Sam says we're not allowed to talk about history.

1:04:30But doesn't that completely blow up this narrative that like, oh, my God, if the Palestinians would just not support these terrorists, then they could have their own state. but then why is the longest serving prime minister in israeli history intentionally propping up the terrorists so that he can say exactly what sam harris is saying right now oh no no we can't give a mistake because look they haven't disarmed they have these terrorists such bullshit man here let's uh um it's all just cowardice but let's let's play the clip before we have to wrap up the show here because this was the other clip that was going around of sam harris talking about this issue still.

1:05:04Look, all this is, is Sam Harris going, I'll talk about this issue on shows. I'll write about this issue on my sub stack. I'll smear the people who are critical of Israel as misinformation artists, but I won't ever go debate them. I won't ever go engage with their ideas. How do you just not feel pathetic as you're saying this out loud? Yeah, let's play the clip though of of sam harris there was no famine in gaza right that's just that's a lie i mean we've been the the victims of a comprehensive and and amazingly successful psyops people have analyzed the average calorie count that got into gaza throughout the whole wars i mean it's something like you know 3 000 calories per person a day i mean it's just like not we're not talking about a condition under which pause it pause dark already but so I mean again this is why this guy can't debate man I mean really that's it's just first off there's something so cruel and crude about the way they do this but like there's no starvation in Gaza this is all a big op and look the evidence that there's starvation in Gaza has been the journalists that are there on the ground who have interviewed doctors and talked about starvation and that people have died of starvation.

1:06:22It was at its worst right after the period where Smotrich publicly was saying that not one ounce of grain will be allowed in Gaza. There was nearly three months where they let absolutely no aid in. And yeah, there were lots of reports of starvation as a result of that. Now, we don't know that much about the details because Israel doesn't let international journalists into a war zone, unlike all the other wars that are fought in modern times. And so we don't have as much information as possible. But for Sam Harris to go, well, they said 3 ,000 calories per person per day were getting into Gaza.

1:06:53It's like, all right, dude, but how many of those were getting to the people? Because that's actually what matters. You could count the calories that you send into an active war zone, but supply chains don't function perfectly in the middle of a fucking destruction of a society. Anyway, there, let's keep going. They have been starving. There was no starvation is a specific thing. Like famine is a word that has a meaning, right? It doesn't mean that some people are hungry. It means people are dying because they're malnourished, right? There's so little food that you see children with bloated stomachs and people wasting away due to caloric insufficiency, right?

1:07:42And nutritional insufficiency. That didn't happen in Gaza, right? Again, it's another blood libel, like genocide. Genocide didn't happen in Gaza. Genocide, the word has a meaning, right? So we're surrounded by liars and hysterics and ideologues and people who are willingly bamboozled by genuinely sinister movements and organizations. I mean, the role that the IRGC and the Muslim Brotherhood, But this was a war that was largely fought on social media and Israel lost it, absolutely lost it on social media. Okay. I just love that as the closing. This was a war that was fought on social media and Israel absolutely lost it.

1:08:32Maybe that's because guys like you are such pussies that you're unwilling to even enter the space. Like if you're saying there was no genocide, there was no starvation, all these things. You're making all these assertions and saying that everyone's crazy and has fallen for an op who believes any of these things. I guess, by the way, Rob, amongst the people who fell for this op would be the world's leading genocide scholars, where there's a pretty strong consensus that this did constitute a genocide. But Sam Harris is going to say, no, the real war was fought over social media and Israel lost it.

1:09:09Well, a big part of that is because all of the Israel supporters keep getting destroyed in debate after debate. And then they write garbage pieces like this, the ones like you who know you'll get destroyed. And so you're too much of a coward to even have the debate. But you'll write a garbage piece like this on why you're going to avoid a debate. And what do you have for us, Rob? Oh, my God. We are falling for this op, right? the guy who's got the truth on his side refuses to debate is what we're supposed to believe here and what is the truth that he's got on his side history doesn't count like i've got some ideas as to why israel might be losing this propaganda war on social media because just sitting here and saying nah it's not happening no one's starving it's not a genocide i I mean, Rob, hasn't everyone who's paying attention seen, like literally I'm talking to you, I'm talking to Natalie, I'm talking to everyone listening to this.

1:10:11Haven't you seen enough horrific images out of Gaza that like you really don't need to be convinced anymore that something really horrible is happening there? Like this is what you got? No, no, no, no. There was no starvation. Yes, there were some kids who starved to death, but they had other medical conditions. And no, it doesn't constitute a genocide. It was just killing tens of thousands of kids. No further debate. No talking about history. That's all. I don't know, Rob. I can't believe this hasn't won you the argument, Sam Harris.

1:10:47Final word to you, Rob. This guy's a loser. It really is. I'm sorry. I just, I do, I have, I have no respect for this stuff. I find Sam Harris to be a contemptible person. And I'm sorry, but like people, listen, people notice this stuff. You know, Sam Harris is really, he's smeared me quite a bit and called me every name under the book. Despite all that, despite the fact that I think Sam Harris is guilty of blood libel, or I think he's, you know, pushing a bunch of like really horrible, I would accuse him of moral lunacy. I'm still willing to have the debate with him. I'll do it tomorrow. We could schedule it for later today.

1:11:28Why is it that I'm willing to do it and he's not willing to do it? Well, I could tell you 100 % why I'm willing to do it because I know I'll win. I don't know. I'll do it because I believe what I'm saying. I have a much stronger argument than him, and I know he won't be able to counter what I have. I've been through enough of these debates, and I can read this piece, and no, you got nothing, bro. You got nothing new. So that's why I'm willing to do it. Why are you really not willing to do it, Sam Harris? Let's all think about that for a little bit. Are we to believe here that Sam Harris knows that he could come in and just win this debate?

1:12:09He knows he could come in and just devastate someone, but he just won't do it for reasons. Seems tough for me to believe. Anyway, we will be back tomorrow at 1 p.m. with a brand new episode. Catch you guys then. Peace.

1:12:33We'll see you next time.