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31:41Then they're like, none of that's continuing at all. Then they go back and do like a press conference in the press room, which was odd. They're all in tuxedos. It was just like an odd kind of feeling. And then Donald Trump sits down for this interview. And so let's take a look at this where there's a bizarre, bizarre moment in this interview where they read a passage from the manifesto and then ask Donald Trump about it. The so-called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President. He appears to reference a motive in it. He writes this quote, administration officials, they are targets. And he also wrote this, I'm no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.

32:30What's your reaction? Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would, because you're horrible people. horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody. Oh, you think he was referring to you? Excuse me. I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person. I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say, Epstein or other things. But I said to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll probably I read the manifesto.

33:13You know, he's a sick person. But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because I'm not any of those things. And I was never excuse me. Excuse me. You shouldn't be reading that in 60 minutes. You're a disgrace. But go ahead. Let's finish the interview. The other thing that he wrote in. Pause it there. This is just an utterly bizarre defensive reaction by Donald Trump. And I'm curious your thoughts on this, Rob, but I just, to me, Nora O'Donnell there, I think that's her name, right? Nora O'Donnell? I think she used to be on NBC back in the day. She is putting, she's reading the words of a crazy gunman.

33:59it's not as if that's being presented as like that's the best possible light for donald trump's framing that he could just own it be like yeah this is what insane violent people think and this is not or something but he turns it on her immediately takes the accusation to be about himself and then keeps calling her disgusting for reading it but like she wasn't taking a position i don't know i found that to be very bizarre um maybe maybe you have a different take than me i will say i'll say this and then i'll kick it over to you look i'm not saying donald Trump's a pedophile. I'm not saying Donald Trump's a rapist.

34:30I'm not saying he's not. I don't know. But this claim that Donald Trump is making that the Epstein files totally exonerate him. And I'm sure that somebody on his team has said that and he really liked that. So he keeps repeating it every time it's come up. The major problem with that is that it's just not true. Like, it is just not true that anything in the Epstein files came out that made you go, oh, well, look at this. Trump couldn't have been involved in any wrongdoing. That just didn't happen. Now, you can make the argument that one not need be exonerated. Like, hey, I haven't been charged with a crime and I'm innocent until proven guilty, so I don't need to be exonerated.

35:16Even in court, you know, you don't really need to be exonerated exactly. You need to find a shadow of a doubt. Finding a shadow of a doubt is not exactly the same thing as being, you know, like proven innocent. But that's our system and it's better than the alternative. But Donald Trump, it's like, dude, there's three million files that you are illegally still covering up right now. Openly. They've openly admitted that there's three million more files and that they will not be releasing them. I'm sorry, dude. like, yes, it seems very clear that you were pretty chummy with Jeffrey Epstein at one point.

35:53You guys had a falling out and then no longer were pretty chummy. He was still pretty chummy with a lot of people around you. But the idea of going, oh, this just proved that I'm totally exonerated and it's just the Democrats. They were the ones involved. Dude, Letnick was on the island and lied about it. He's in your government, not the Democrats government. So I'm sorry, but this line is just not landing partially because it's complete bullshit anyway go ahead rob what do you think all right well you know i agree with you on the uh epstein part and uh it's always fun when you and i actually don't see things the same way but uh in this case you know i think i think it's bad to give coverage to the ideas of these shooters because it gives them a platform for actually getting the message out and i think it does kind of incentivize the behavior And I also think this is I mean, Donald Trump plays this game also, but it's the classic I'm not saying but somebody saying and then affiliating someone with something that's horrible, which is like kind of a classic news trick of you're having an interview and they're like, well, you know, there's people out there that are calling you a pedophile.

36:57How do you address this? Now that puts that into reality of, oh, this person's affiliated with being a pedophile. And now they have to actually respond to it. And it both kind of gives coverage and reasserts the fact of, oh, there's a reason for this person to have to respond to the fact that they're not a pedophile. So the fact that someone engaged in a shooting and wrote a line and then you force the president to address like, hey, how do you want to respond to this? You are you are forcing the guy to like dignify it with the response. And I think that is a fair point. I think it's both bad form to actually read the or put out the minute like people can go find it online.

37:31But I think we do have a problem of that. It's a way to get attention and even share a message by engaging in violence. And then also it's the classic news trick of, you know, I'm not I'm not making this claim. But other people say you're a pedophile. How do you want to respond to them? It's like I don't want to address that question because you shouldn't even be asking me it. Fair enough that those are those are both fair points. I guess I would just say that it's a bit of a balancing act, right? As far as the point you make about reading the manifesto on TV, because then it's like, oh, look what you just gave him.

38:04You just you essentially just said you get your words read on TV if you go out and commit an act like this. There's been a long debate like since since Columbine, which happened when I was in school. I don't remember exactly how old I was, but it happened on my birthday, too, which. I remember we had an assembly that morning in my school and I was like, you guys didn't have to do all this. It's just my birthday. It wasn't about me. But look, there's a debate about how much should we cover these things, you know, like because there's no question that there is a copycat phenomenon. And I don't know if this is solely the reason why school shootings became a regular occurring thing after Columbine.

38:50But quite plausibly, part of it is that you put this out into the ether and it is kind of like a bat signal to every crazy kid out there. Like, oh, that's an option. Maybe they didn't even think about that before. But like you get a gun reasonably easy in this country. I mean, I don't know. I knew kids who had guns when I was a teenager illegally. But, you know, we used to joke about how it was a lot easier to get weed than booze when I was like 15. because when I was like 15, that was like before even fake IDs we had like in my group of friends. Because you know, like when you're like, when you're like 17, 18, we all started going to the West Village and buying a fake ID and then using it.

39:33But when you're 15, you really can't pass for 21. You know what I mean? Like you go up with an ID, no matter what. As soon as you pull out the ID, the person's like, let me see this fake bullshit because there's no way you're 21. but your local weed dealer had a no ID policy. And so that was really easy to get it from. Anyway, not that we didn't get booze. It was just harder. But so anyway, there's a point there that like maybe you put this out into the world. People can go get guns. They can go. I guess the counter to that would just be Rob is that on some level, you do want to understand what the motivations of these people are.

40:12And in some level, like in the same way that like covering Columbine might lead to more Columbines, but also Columbine happening is news. And what the hell is the news if we can't talk about something that is that newsworthy? So I'm not saying you're wrong. I get your point. Maybe I'm just a little more conflicted on what the right answer there is. And I guess in other words, I'm saying, dude, like if you think about covering up the Epstein files and you think about what that really is and how profound a betrayal to the American people of your most basic duty to them, like it is almost worth knowing that, yeah, that might be the type of thing that pushes someone who's probably already pretty close to falling off the edge over the edge.

41:00I guess that's would more or less be my point there. Um, do you think, is there more in this interview that in this segment that you think is worth going over or should we switch gears here? Cause I really want to get to, uh, Alan Dershowitz. Yeah, let's give, let's go to, I don't remember. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Um, I want, I really just wanted to talk about this Alan Dershowitz thing. In fact, this is what I was planning on, uh, really spending most of the show on, but then, uh, you know, this happened as that's, that's the business we're in. Sometimes that happens. And then also there's, I don't know, there's like, I think I'm in like 50 different Twitter beef feuds now, which I don't want to spend too much time on.

41:38But I did just want to like, OK, so let's. All right. Casually, I mentioned I got into a thing. So there was a bunch of stuff that I wanted to talk about. And then one of them was Randy Fine going on the Tim Pool show. And then I saw our buddy Clint Russell did a show on that the other day. and that was just it was perfect i just thought it was great i clint's the man if you guys don't watch his shows one of the best shows out there still i always say clint's criminally underrated i've just been saying that for years but then he really blew up so i don't know if i can keep say he's still underrated he deserves more than he is just excellent show liberty lockdown one of the best podcasts out there um so he did so then i was kind of like oh good one less thing i got to respond to.

42:24So I'm just going to tweet this, like this can serve as my response too. Cause I sign off on, I mean, maybe not every word, but just about every word. And, uh, but then when I did that, Tim had a whole response to me and I know that me and Tim have kind of, you know, we've, I, I was a little bit harsh on him when I was criticizing him last time we did like a little debate. It wasn't really much of a debate on, on a Pierce Morgan show, but like, I liked him and I I respect him. So anyway, maybe I'll respond to him like on the next episode or something there and just kind of explain because I didn't want it to come off like I was like attacking him.

43:00Although I did think, you know, he did not do a good job in that interview. And there's there's reasons that me and Clint were criticizing him for it. So that one put a pin in. Looks like the Hassan Piker debate is going to happen. Where's that going down? i we have not set it up yet but he did he responded to our our last episode um or responded to and and was like well he mentioned something which was true was that that he had messaged me he had sent me a dm like i don't know maybe last year or something like that when he was saying like hey you know we don't agree on a lot but i appreciate you you know holding the line on on gaza or something like that and I didn't respond which you know I don't know I just you know he said on this thing he's like I don't know Dave talks about like Kyle Kalinsky and Mehdi Hassan and he goes look man I'm not trying to fight with you guys we agree on a lot of the same issues like how come he doesn't have that same energy with me and um I don't know because I just don't maybe there's not the best answer for I don't know he is much more obnoxious to me and he I haven't seen those guys putting forth the like straight up communist, like you should steal from people, you should kill landlords, you should like all that shit.

44:20Like, I don't know. I haven't really seen that from them. And if I did see it from them, I'd probably disagree with it in the exact same manner. But also Hassan's done like five or six segments on me over the years, been very disrespectful, been very sure of himself while he's making the dumbest fucking argument imaginable. And so like, yeah, that's the same attitude I have when I see it's just I don't know this. it's like seeing that New York times article, Rob, it's like a New York times podcast. It's like this, there's a particular disgust I have for this, like, um, as a, um, Oh, what's his name?

44:51I'm blanking on his name. Ah, shoot. Uh, he was the guy who used to, um, I got to message him back clay as clay who used to run our like fan page back in the day. Um, as he put it, there is something particularly infuriating about this brand of regime approved communism. You know what I mean? Like, it's like the new year, you're such a revolutionary, but the, the paper of record, the most powerful, prestigious newspaper in the world sees nothing threatening at all about you and is happy to have this conversation with you. It was like kind of tell anyway, he's, he did reach out to me. He DM'd me or maybe I DM'd him.

45:26And cause people were saying, cause he had said, Hey man, why didn't you respond to my message? If you wanted a debate, you should have just responded to me. And I was like, well, no, dude, I, you were a huge show sniping at me when I was first coming up. And I publicly challenged you to debate every time you did a segment on me. And maybe you were unaware of that, fine. But that never happened. Then years later, you just messaged me, you're doing good work on this. And I didn't respond because I just wasn't interested in starting a dialogue. But he did say on the thing, hey, if you want to do the debate, blah, blah, blah, that you should just message me or something like that.

46:02So I did. He responded. He was like, do you want to do it in person? or do you want to do it remotely? Do you want to do it? And I said, well, I travel a lot. It's probably going to be tough to make in-person work. Why don't we just do it remotely? And anyway, and then I think I said, like I said, we can do it on your show, my show, or with a moderator on whatever platform you want. So I've left it up to whatever he wants to do, I'm down to do it. I think that'll be a huge debate. And, you know, he's one of the biggest lefty streamers out there. And I think it's an important one. And let's see, you know, if he can defend this idea of advocating theft.

46:41And, you know, I don't know. Look, when it comes to, for whatever reason, when it comes to Hassan Piker, I'm more interested in arguing over that stuff than I am just agreeing about the wars. Yep. When it comes to Cenk Uygur, his uncle, I'm more interested in just agreeing about the wars. it's kind of a judgment call it's just how i feel about the person and what what value slash negatives they're bringing to the broader conversation okay so anyway looks like that debate's happening the other one i'll mention very quickly is this dan blizzarian guy who's now talking shit about me on twitter who essentially so as i'm in this argument with his son he then goes well you've been ducking having a good faith conversation with me so Dan Blasarian for people who don't know is like running for congress against Randy Fine or something like that he now he goes oh you're ducking you know you're ducking a conversation with me so I responded and I went look I wouldn't exactly call it ducking but sure I'll have a conversation with you.

47:54So I agreed to have the conversation with him. Then his response is he goes, I don't know why you're lying about this. Lots of people have been trying to put us in contact. And I'm like, well, first of all, I'm not lying about anything. And like, it's kind of weird. He goes, let's have a good faith conversation. I go, okay. And then he goes, you're a liar. Now, when he says lying, he means that I said the framing that I'm ducking him is ridiculous. Yes. Like three different people. I think Jake Shields, Sneeko, and I think someone else over the last couple of years has let me know that Dan Blazarian really wants to talk to me.

48:34I just haven't really been interested in it. Now, if you want to call that ducking, I mean, okay. I guess we're all ducking everyone we don't talk to every day. Like, oh, okay. But like, I think that's kind of ridiculous framing. I'll try to be as diplomatic and and as libertarian about this as I can. Hey, everyone has the right to be the person they want to be and live the life they want to be. Dan Blazerian has just never been my cup of tea. I'm just not that into it. I'm not particularly impressed with some of the stuff that he's saying. And I kind of see him as being more of a net negative than a net positive in the people who are against Israel.

49:12But like anyway, so then he posts that that he goes, I'm lying. And that I know that I've told multiple people that I'm scared to have the conversation with him, which is just a lie. Like, I've never said that ever. Yes, you're right, dude. I talked to Nick Fuentes and Sneeko and Christopher Cantwell and Richard Spencer and like all these people. But you are just I was just so scared of the implications of the conversation with you. I just did Jake Shields podcast last year. Like, I don't know what it just doesn't even make any sense. I just wasn't interested. But I don't know. Maybe we'll do that one too.

49:52Who knows? Anyway, and then his fans are all just like so retarded. Like, look at Dave making excuses because he's scared. You're like, I accepted. I said yes. What is with you retards? And then it's all just like, it really is even what Nick Fuentes calls. it's like his just seems to be the lowest IQ Jew hating shit. This is like every comment is just like, well, once a Jew, always a Jew. He exposes himself. And you're like, you guys, you guys are out of your fucking mind. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply. Love these guys.

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52:12And in this very bizarre way where Alan Dershowitz doesn't even seem to recognize the implications of what he's saying here. If you remember, Rob, I had mentioned this on the show because I found this to be a very interesting moment. that was the last time Pierce had Alan Dershowitz on, or maybe not the last time, but a previous time that he had him on. Alan Dershowitz, of course, for people who don't know, is like a very prestigious, prominent, famous lawyer. Can I pipe in on that? Yeah, sure. It's incredible to me to have both been Epstein's lawyer and famous for getting OJ off and being treated as a prestigious individual and not like a better call Saul lawyer.

52:57I just, I, there's something Benjamin Netanyahu. If that makes you feel any better. I don't know. There's just, it seems to be something broken. I hate to say this as you go into your Hassan Piker interview, but something broken with our capitalist system that if you make a fortune as a, you know, a lawyer doing this kind of work, we still celebrate you as look at how good of a lawyer you are. It's truly unbelievable. Yes. Yeah. It's truly unbelievable that Mossad wouldn't just say, hey, we can't have the same lawyer as Jeffrey Epstein. Like we can both have scumbag lawyers, but we can't have the same one.

53:37And they go, no, that's cool. Get that one in there. He's, you know, defended Epstein. But if it makes you feel any better, he also defended Michael Jackson. So I don't know. Did I make that up? I think he might. I'm not sure. And he's litigious. He'll come after you. as I get well I just said did I make that up I may have I left you with the possibility that I just know I might have gotten that wrong but anyway definitely Epstein and and Benjamin Netanyahu um but so there was this moment I had mentioned this to you uh um I think both on and off air because I thought this was very interesting so Pierce Morgan had John Mearsheimer um uh the co-author of the Israel Lobby and and the dean of the realist school of foreign policy brilliant geopolitical expert thinker.

54:22And he had Alan Dershowitz. Now, they weren't going back and forth. I think it was like he interviewed, if I'm remembering correctly, he interviewed Mearsheimer and then interviewed Dershowitz. But so at one point, knowing that Alan Dershowitz is coming up in the next segment, John Mearsheimer, he said, well, Alan Dershowitz is going to argue this. And John Mearsheimer goes, well, of course. I mean, he's the Israel lobby and that's what the lobby does. And then Alan Dershowitz came on and he responded and he goes, he goes, I mean, John called me the Israel lobby. I'm the Israel lobby now. Like I'm not lobbying on behalf of anything.

54:58I'm an American and I have a right to say what I think about this. And at least superficially, I could see where there was a little bit of an argument to what Alan Dershowitz was saying. Like, well, what do you, what do you mean? You've just lumped me in. Like I'm part of the lobby. Like I'm not speaking here as a representative of AIPAC or something like that. Like I'm just a – but of course the argument has always been that it's like, no, look, the Israel lobby has to be thought of as like this loosely coordinated groups of organizations and individuals who advocate on behalf of Israel as their political priority.

55:33and this is why I very much like when Megyn Kelly started using the term Israel firsters because that's a little bit more specific you know like it's like okay you're the one whose first priority is Israel like okay so call it the Israel lobby call it Israel firsters the point is that so here you have this is just a few weeks ago Rob maybe a couple months ago that he's going what do you mean I'm the Israel lobby that's nuts I'm just Alan Dershowitz the lawyer who happens to work with the Israeli government but like, don't let that fuck with you. And then, okay. So one of the things Alan Dershowitz has been prominent for my entire life, as long as I can remember, he's been a famous lawyer and he's always been a Democrat.

56:15That was also something that he's known as. So he has now announced that he is leaving the Democrats. He has become a Republican and he goes on Pierce Morgan to talk about it. So let's, we're going to listen to Pierce's opening and then his, his opening comments here. Let's play.

56:34Well, popular support for Israel is plummeting in the U.S., a fact borne out by poll after poll. More Americans now sympathize with the Palestinians than they do with Israelis for the first time in history, and support is falling across all age groups and all political affiliations, even Republicans. Many people tend to blame Tucker Carlson for this, but voters tell surveys it has much more to do with the destruction of Gaza and the war on Iran. It's a profound shift in public opinion. Whoever wants to replace Donald Trump as president will have to take a position on it. Governor Josh Shapiro and Rahm Emanuel are both Jewish politicians who want to be the next democratic president.

57:07They both blame Netanyahu for dragging the U.S. into the Iran war. Emanuel says it's time to stop spending American taxes on the Israeli military altogether. All of this was too much for legal scholar and longtime Democrat Alan Dershowitz. He announced this week that he's registering as a Republican for the first time in his life, calling Democrats the most anti-Israel party in the history of the United States. He may find that the Republicans are asking themselves many of the same questions. Joe Kent, a gold star husband and retired Green Beret, resigned as director of the National Counterterrorism Center over Israel's influence on the Iran war.

57:41And both Alan Dershowitz and Joe Kent join me now. Welcome to both of you. Alan, I never thought I'd have the potential to introduce you as by the way can you just pause it here for a second i'll just quickly um say just like a some nice words about pierce morgan here because i really do love the guy despite disagreeing with him on a lot of stuff um but pierce is just a guy i just want to hang with pierce more like you're just like dude we got to grab a beer um but you know for all the shit people give pierce for his show um and you know obviously it it is a circus at times and it devolves into food fights at times and I've participated in some of those food fights.

58:22But by the way, this whole moment is incredible. And it's amazing that he created, by the way, Joe Kent says a lot of really great important stuff, but we're not going to play any of that on the show. So please do go watch the episode, but I just want to pick on Alan Dershowitz. I'm not interested in all the good stuff Joe Kent said, but this is just such a great debate to be able to set up right now. And this is the place where you could hear these two guys go at it. Just wanted to say that props to Pierce Morgan. Let's get into Alan Dershowitz now. Why do you feel so strongly about this that you have renounced your democratic faith and gone to the other side?

58:57Well, the polls show that the vast majority of Democrats of every age oppose Israel. They have elected a congresswoman from New Jersey who is virially anti-Israel. They may be nominating a Senate candidate from Michigan who campaigns with a neo-Nazi who basically is a Hitler supporter. And as you say, even Rahm Emanuel has now said that the Democrats should stop and the United States government should reorganize its relationship with Israel and treat it like any other ally. And in light of what's going on on university campuses... Pause it. I just want to just take this in for a second. Just take this in.

59:44Only a few weeks after arguing that it's absurd to consider him a part of the Israel lobby, he has now switched his lifelong political affiliation. I don't know if you got a picture in your mind, if you just saw Alan Dershowitz, and I know if you can look past the raw sexual magnetism or whatever Barry Weiss described him as? He's old. He has now abandoned his lifelong political affiliation, and he does not even pretend it's over any other issue. Clearly then, the only reasonable thing we can deduce is that this is the most important issue to you. And what is he, even in his own words, He says that now the Democratic Party is a party that believes that Israel should be treated just like any other ally.

1:00:42Not like an enemy. Not that we ought to declare war on Israel. Not that they should be another ally, but not the ally who gets unconditional support no matter what. And that is enough for Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer to go, I'm out then. Then I'm out. Then I'm going with the Republicans. It doesn't matter if we don't agree on any other issues or if we disagree on many other issues to be more charitable. but that is i'm sorry the only reasonable thing that you can deduce from that is that your highest political value is u.s support for israel and there's a real fucking problem with that i like so many of these people it's like you know the old the fish doesn't know that he's in water type thing like they say that they admit this and they don't see that there's any major glaring problem Because what you are admitting there, this isn't like having some, listen, you could have taxes as your number one issue.

1:01:46You'd have guns as your number one issue. You'd have war and peace as your number one issue. You have monetary policy, immigration policy, regulatory. Like you could have whatever issue is your number one issue. But if your number one issue is a foreign government, a foreign country, then that is treasonous by nature. That you are saying you are more loyal. Alan Dershowitz, famous American. He is a famous, rich American. However he got there, Rob, and whether you think culturally he should be famous for that work, that's what he is. And he's openly telling you, I am loyal to a foreign government, and then starts musing about questions of why so many people are saying negative things about the Jews.

1:02:30So many people are critical of Israel, and some of them are even talking about how Jews have dual loyalty. Like, it is the fish not seeing water. Like he can make this announcement and then still act dumbfounded by anyone having the reaction. But like, I don't know, Rob, tell me if you think I'm being crazy. It is incompatible with the slightest dose of patriotism to tolerate that. Anybody who has a little bit of patriotism in them goes, look, man, there aren't that many rules. But one of the rules is you can't be more loyal to a foreign country than you are to your own. Otherwise, you're not truly a citizen.

1:03:10And I don't mean that just in the legal sense. I mean in the deepest philosophical sense. You're not really a citizen of a country if you have an allegiance to a foreign country, which he just admitted he does in his plain English as can possibly be admitted. And I kind of couldn't believe more people weren't making a bigger deal out of that. Maybe it's just because the case has already been proven. But, like, look at that, dude. This is insane. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon. Forget everything you think you know about fasting. Prolon by El Nutra is the only patented fasting mimicking diet that combines the benefits of prolonged fasting with a science-backed nutrition plan so you can hit your health and weight loss goals without actually having to give up all food.

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1:05:09Let's let's keep getting into this. The uptick of anti-Semitism around the world. I just can't be associated with a political party that has become part of the anti-Israel, anti-Jewish trend around the world and in the United States. So although I support many of the Democratic domestic policies, I will vote and work hard to make sure that the Republicans maintain control over the House. All right. Here, pause it again one second. And listen, man, it's just even right there, right? Just read between the lines the tiniest bit. I agree with the Democrats on their domestic policy, but I'll be voting Republican over Israel.

1:05:57Like, doesn't that just say it all right there, Rob? Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, even from his own worldview, he goes, oh, yeah, no, this is much worse for America. But I'm going to go for it anyway, because I think it's what's better for Israel. that's a full admission right there dude like this is this is like on a murder like at a murder trial finding out that the guy googled what to do with a dead body the night you know what i mean like this is holy shit dude this is this is as as good as an admission of guilt essentially all right let's keep playing the united states from moving the way most many european countries have moved away from Israel, away from support for Western values and in support for a radical left-wing values.

1:06:50Look, if I could have registered as a Republican with a little asterisk saying I'm basically a foreign policy Republican, I'm still a domestic Democrat, I would do that. But that choice is not available to me. And so consistent with my values, I want to quote Ronald Reagan. I haven't left the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has left me and I believe is quickly leaving America. And that's why I am going to work against the Democratic Party, particularly at a time when anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism is increasing around the world. You mentioned, by the way, that so many Americans are pro-Palestinian.

1:07:28Let's be very clear. Very few people really are pro-Palestinian. They're anti-Israel. If they were pro-Palestinian, they would also be supporting the Kurds, the Uyghurs. They would be supporting the Sudanese. They would be supporting the Ukrainians. You don't have demonstrations on university campuses in favor of these other oppressed groups only for the Palestinians, not because of who they are, but because of who allegedly oppresses them, namely the nation state of the Jewish people. So it's another manifestation of the increasing worldwide. I guess we pause it for a second there because I just again, even as he goes, even when you're going to say, you know, like you get my point here, Rob, where even not just as he's called it anti-Israelism.

1:08:13I don't know that I've heard that before, but even anti-Semitism. You just look at what a position he's in to not be able to say anything about that, because look at you. That was your whole point on the last episode was I'm not a member of the Israel lobby. I'm not a member of the Israel government. I'm just me, but just you is loyal to Israel. And that is your hot. You're an Israel firster by definition. So that's the Israel lobby. And then, I mean, I don't know. I don't know, Rob. I think we've just dealt with that garbage point enough. Oh, if you really cared about the Palestinians, you'd always also have to care about the Uyghurs or something like that.

1:08:47Like, look, man, whatever China is doing to the Uyghur Muslim population, it's not exactly what Adrian Zenz lied or got the math wrong about. But sure, we're against it. Don't oppress anyone. But it is just obviously different when a nation is just brutally repressing a group of people with our full support and only able to do it because we support them with our tax dollars. That's just different. And also, it's really just not a response to say, what about this terrible thing? Well, what about this other terrible thing? It's like, I don't know. People specialize in different areas. We've dealt with this a million times.

1:09:34So I don't know if we need to spend too much more time on that. China's never been in our country telling us that they're the most moral while they're doing it, which would really catch the nation's attention, particularly if they were looking for funds and getting us involved in more chaos while telling us that they're the most moral. and believe me if China was doing that we'd be talking a lot more about what's going on with the Uyghurs or yes that's right if China was if we were paying for China to you know round up Uyghurs and let's say like a huge portion of our elected officials had sworn that they were more loyal to China than they are to us and let's say when Obama made his pivot to China Alan Dershowitz stopped being a Democrat because he was so opposed as a Chinese man.

1:10:21I'm so opposed to this. You know what I mean? Or something like that. Like just by the way, really do imagine that real people, Chinese Americans in positions of power were openly talking about their loyalty to China as a Chinese person. So imagine that for a second. You think we'd be talking about that a little bit more? I'm pretty sure we would. And the threat of, by the way, they need to give those people of different names. So I can more easily say it that's on them. You know, they might get more support for their cause. If they just went with a different name, it could be more easily talked about in the United States of America, close to a name.

1:10:57We're not supposed to say that we really want to say, and we're really trying not to say. So if you could try to work that out. Yeah, no, you're right. You got a fair point there too, Rob. Was there something more specifically you wanted to get to? Cause I think that was more or less what my, I wanted to, I mean, I mean, we're over time, but I just thought that this got more delicious as it went. It did. It certainly did. There were more interesting points that he made. But look, we are over time. And that really, to me, is the that was the essence of it, though, the biggest takeaway that you just like, look, ma 'am, this is I mean, you are.

1:11:30He literally even at one point says, hey, if I could be a domestic Democrat and a foreign policy Republican, I'd choose that option. like I'd rather not hurt our country to help Israel but if I if I have to I obviously will because obviously that's the priority now I'm I'm sorry but I really think and believe me look as everyone listening knows and we've made this point many times it's not just Jews who feel this way um you know there's lots of Christian Zionists and atheist Zionists who also have this same kind of allegiance, weirdly. But it is something I know that me and you talk about all the time, Rob, personally, because we're both Jewish and we both grew up around Jewish families and other Jewish friends and stuff that it's like it is wild where someone like Alan Dershowitz can say this out loud.

1:12:24And I just happen to know, Rob, like there's a lot of Jewish people who will hear that. And it's like the fish doesn't realize he's in water. They'd go, I don't see what's controversial about that. Like, yeah, of course you support Israel. If they're not supporting Israel, then you got to go with the people who are supporting it. You know, it's like, but I really think it would behoove all of us to really examine that dynamic a little bit. And, and to go look right away, Rob, when you, when you put it, you know, in world war two, we interned the Japanese Americans, um, very unconstitutionally and immorally, I would argue, strip them of their possessions, force them into camps.

1:13:03Now, we didn't do that with the Italian Americans, I think just because there were too many of them. We didn't do that with German Americans, but there was a real concern about that back in the day because you got to think, right, like just knowing kind of like this country and when the waves of immigration came, if you know like an Italian today, my wife's Italian, you know, by the time, okay, it was her grandparents were the ones who came here. Most people you know, it was their grandparents who came here or maybe their great grandparents. But that's kind of what a lot like most Americans, at least certainly in the part of the country where we are, that's their history.

1:13:39But so back then, these were people who had like direct ties. Many of them grew up there and then came here. And so you had a concern like, are they going to be more loyal to their foreign government than they are to ours or whatever? But like just imagine they actually were. I mean, we just simply would not tolerate that. If there were Chinese people talking about how they're loyal to the government of China, or if there were, we would just never tolerate that. And Jewish Americans likewise wouldn't tolerate that and would find that to be like outrageous. So what, what is the expectation that everyone else is supposed to tolerate this?

1:14:20This obvious, Like, I don't know. I just don't know how I can look at someone like Alan Dershowitz and not say that he's in effect a foreign spy. Then that's what you are. You're if you're here to be a figure in the media, to be an influential figure who's making arguments to people. But your number one political goal, your number one purpose is loyalty to a foreign government. To me, that's being a foreign spy. Plain and simple. All right. We're going to wrap up there. See you guys this weekend. Tulsa, Oklahoma City. Really looking forward to all these shows. Catch you guys tomorrow on the podcast.

1:15:03Peace.

1:15:14Thank you.