The Destruction of Trump's Presidency

29:47No, they're not able to touch us if we're still considering America to be the middle part of North America. Like if you're still thinking of between Canada and Mexico there, if that's what your conception of the United States of America is, as most of ours is. OK, they can't even touch us. They don't have the capacity. So, yes, in that sense, we're winning. We're bombing them a lot more than they can bomb us. All they can do is touch our bases in the region and touch Israel or whatever. But OK, even within that realm, there's no question we've dropped more bombs on Iran than they've dropped on our bases and on Israel.

30:22No one's really arguing that. So no one in that sense is claiming that Iran is winning the war. But what are we talking about here? Well, you know, I said when I was debating Will Chamberlain on Piers Morgan, this was about a month and a half ago. we were doing this debate where he told me that he'd be shocked if the Iranian regime was still standing in a month. Okay. It's a month and a half later. So well, Chamberlain evidently is shocked. I, I'm not shocked and I guaranteed to him that they would still be standing anyway. Um, there's so when, when you, you look at say like, okay, so where Donald Trump, launches this war.

31:07So anyway, so what I said to Will in that debate was, I said, he goes, look, we're destroying a lot of their stuff. You know, the same Trumpian line. Like we destroy their Navy, their army, their missiles. And I went, I said, hey, you know, we could blow up the world many times over the American military. But if we did that, we wouldn't say that was a win, right? Like if we just declared war on China and started dropping H-bombs everywhere and we're just going to destroy the whole world. We wouldn't go, well, look, we've blown up so much more of their shit than they've blown up of ours, right?

31:40Because even though that's true, what does it do for us? And so what do you, like average American, you know, what like person listening to this show, what issues do you have in your life, you know, that you might think government maybe ought to be in the business of solving or perhaps more accurately, government was in the business of creating the issue and you'd like them to not do that anymore. I mean, we could think of a lot, right? You think of a lot of major problems in this country. And obviously the big one is going to be that the currency has been destroyed and that it's like impossible.

32:15It's not impossible, but it is harder than it's ever been to get ahead in this country in a very basic sense. at this point, it's almost like if somebody were to tell you that they own a nice home and they send their kids to a nice school. So let's say they got three kids. Someone were to say, we have a really nice house in a safe neighborhood. I send them to really good schools. I'm putting them all through college and none of them have to go in debt to go through college. and we take like one or two nice vacations a year. Like if I were to tell you that, you would go, oh, so you're a multimillionaire.

32:56That's America today. That's who gets to do that, is multimillionaires and everybody else does not. You know, you might have a major problem with like the state of our infrastructure. Obviously we're$40 trillion in debt. We have something, I think the numbers are down a little bit, but I think there's like 80 ,000 drug ODs a year which represent a lot more people who don't overdose, but just have ruined their lives becoming addicted to drugs. There's hundreds of thousands of people who live outside in this country. I don't know if you guys have been to California in the last decade, but it is a major, major problem.

33:33And then we've got all types of other kind of, I don't know, just issues of cultural decay and relativism and nihilism, you know a lot of our young people just are I don't know girls on only fans and guys are like you know looks maxing or something I don't know just a lot of things we got a lot of issues in this okay so anyway my point think about whatever maybe I miss some issues that that you're you know thinking of but you know the price of groceries the price of daycare the price of college people living outside people dying on drugs our culture falling apart what about that has improved by Iranian naval ships being at the bottom of the sea.

34:20What does that do for anyone? If we were to just carpet bomb Iran tomorrow, how is your life any better? Let's say we nuke them. What does that do for you? Okay, this is all that Donald Trump's talking about has nothing to do with what the war aims were, what your stated war aims are. And in fact, what's become very clear over the last couple of weeks. Marco Rubio himself said it two weeks ago. We played it here on the show. The main goal here is to get the Strait of Hormuz open. This is the major problem we have here, and it was open before the war. It's really hard to get away from that. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cowboy Colostrum.

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36:26That's 25 % off when you use the promo code Dave at checkout at cowboycolostrum.com slash Dave. All right, let's get back into the show. And so it's all the war goals that you stated, which this is before the strait was even closed. It was about the nuclear threat. It was about the intercontinental ballistic missiles. It was about the proxies. And it was about, I don't know, the treatment of their own people or something like that. None of that has been changed. That's what people mean when they say you lost the war. But when Donald Trump or that Iran is winning, that's that's what people mean, that they're winning on the chessboard.

37:03You know, if you think about the game of chess or something like that, right, you win when you get checkmate. You don't win by just tallying up who's taken more pieces off the board, which it's good to take pieces off the board in an effort to win. But if it's not in an effort to win, it doesn't matter. And so the bottom line here, and again, this isn't George W. Bush. This isn't eight years ago you said this and then this happened. The bottom line here is that Donald Trump said out loud many times what the war aims were. The war aims were very clear from the very beginning of this war. And it was none of the stuff that Donald Trump's mentioning now.

37:47Donald Trump didn't launch the war and say, we're going to destroy their Navy, their Air Force, their anti-missile missiles, their intercontinental ballistic missiles, and their drones. That's going to be the thing. He said regime change, the people take over the government, unconditional surrender, open the strait, we get all the nuclear material, the dust. Which of those have been achieved? So that's what we're talking about when we're talking about winning and losing, obviously. But it is also worth pointing out that as Donald Trump talks about the media reaction to this, that is very different.

38:22Let's say if Tucker Carlson is criticizing the war, that is very different than what's going on, say, over at MSNBC. I shouldn't say MSNBC. MS Now. NBC doesn't want any part of that anymore. But here was a post the other day, just so you can see what the media is actually doing. Here was a post from Joe Scarborough. Okay. So this was a post. This was the day before yesterday. So to keep the timeline in your head here straight, not last night, but the night before we started bombing around. Last night, we bombed them more. Trump says today, we're going to do more. We're taking Cargill Island. We'll get to some more clips in a second.

39:05But so this is the day before yesterday, during the day. This is before Donald Trump started bombing them, okay? So during the day, as you guys who are paying attention to this might notice, every time Donald Trump talks about negotiating, initiating, the Israel lobby flips out on him. Then he goes back to bombing. They all cheer and say, finish the job and all this. But so when the Israel lobby was flipping out on him, when it looked like maybe he wasn't going to go back to bombing Iran, this is what Joe Scarborough posted. This is the media, okay? Is this, I'm sorry, is the administration so desperate for a deal that they now work desperately to overlook, by the way, doubling up on desperate there, Thought you're supposed to be a journalist.

39:49Okay. Is the administration so desperate for a deal that they now work desperately to overlook the Islamic Republic of Iran shooting down American helicopters? First, trying to cave on nukes, then on the straight, then sanctions, and now they're okay with U.S. helicopters getting shot down? Okay, so in other words, Joe Scarborough here, the guy at MSNBC, MSNOW, the host of Morning Joe, arch enemy of Donald Trump, right? The guy's the number one pusher of Russiagate and TDS and all this stuff. What is his position exactly here? Oh, no, no. When it looks like Donald Trump's going to end the war, he's egging him on, calling him a bitch for not going and bombing the crap out of them.

40:41Now, maybe this is as good a time as any to get into this. But this, all I'm going to say is this, okay? When it comes to wars, they are all sold on lies. Okay? This is a rule of thumb. It will never fail. Wars are sold on lies. There's that old saying, the first casualty of war is always the truth. And that is true. Before any young boys end up dying, the truth dies first. And you can go back and you can look at the lies that got us into World War I, into Vietnam, into Iraq, of course, into Serbia, whether they claimed Milosevic, a genocide at 100 ,000 people. They make up shit anytime they want to get you into a war.

41:31And as I've been saying since well before the 12-day wars, I've been saying for 20 years, this Iran war is no different than any of those. This is WMDs all over again. And by the way, it's literally WMDs that they don't have. That's the war we're fighting right now over a nuclear weapon that didn't exist, just to be clear. And you see this, and I've done tons of these debates. Everybody, They're all like, Iran was going to nuke the entire world if we didn't go to war. How about that, Dave? Are you OK with them nuking, you know, Europe or the United States of America? And I mean, it's literally it's it's talking about Saddam Hussein nuking Candace, Kansas.

42:10Sorry, they they literally they I apologize. My apologies to Candace Owens there did not mean to bring her into this Kansas. uh you're you're talking about a weapon that they don't have let alone the capability to deliver it which they also don't have like they they don't even if you gave iran a nuclear weapon right now they couldn't nuke america because they can't reach america they don't have it it's not deliverable but regardless of that but you know so anyway this is another war based off off lies as as they always are, as they always are. And as you get into these things, I'm just saying there are all types of events.

42:49And you can go, again, when I said like World War I or Vietnam, this isn't even like a conspiracy theory. This is declassified. This is known. These were absolute lies that they got us into this war. And of course, Iraq, Everybody knows that as well. This helicopter being shot down makes no fucking sense. The story makes no goddamn sense. I don't know what really happened, but I'm just telling you what is being reported here makes no sense. And they're lying about everything else. And by the way, that original rescue mission also seemed to be pretty fucking shady. Um, but even this, before we even get into that, just think about what Joe Scarborough is saying here and think about the fact, right, that the corporate media and of all people, Joe Scarborough, right?

43:38Like if you think about how radioactive they all attempted to make Donald Trump in his first presidential campaign and in his first term. Notice we don't really have that level of entrenched institutional pushback against Donald Trump right now. Isn't that interesting? This is kind of interesting that like through Donald Trump's first term, his own deep state was trying to frame him as a foreign spy. Pretty big scandal. We covered it a lot here on the show. Why aren't they doing that this time? you know, MSNBC was calling him a Nazi and, you know, pushing the Russiagate. He was a Nazi. He was a foreign spy.

44:25He was an illegitimate president. What's Joe Scarborough doing now? He's egging on his policy, his war of choice. He's supporting the war. Now he's still masking this with like a criticism of the president, but what's he criticizing him for? thinking about getting out, thinking about getting out of this war. And even like the way he frames it as if like, let's go back to that tweet. So he says, is the administration so desperate for a deal that they now work desperately to overlook the Islamic Republic of Iran shooting down American helicopters? First, trying to cave on nukes, then on the straight, then sanctions.

45:07and now they're okay with US helicopters getting shot down. Well, like, first of all, did they really cave on nukes? What nukes? There are no nukes. You're just making this up. There are no nuclear weapons. There's a little bit of enriched uranium in the country. They don't have any nukes. But, okay, we caved on nukes because we, and by the way, caving means they can't have a civilian nuclear energy program. Somehow that's caving on nukes by even, what, allowing them. And by the way, it's being demonstrated we don't really have a choice. We caved on the straight. What does that mean? We blockaded.

45:45Their blockade is us caving. In other words, we can't open it. We caved on sanctions. Yeah, out of desperation for the world economy. And now, okay, but now we're okay with U.S. helicopters getting shot down. My point here is just that Joe Scarborough says it almost as if the Iranian, like the IRGC came over here to America and just shot down a helicopter. And you're like, hey, that was an American helicopter, dude. You could just shoot that down. But that's not really the case, is it? No, it's more like you launched a war of aggression. And my point here is that Joe Scarborough is somehow trying to frame a country shooting down an invading country's aircraft as an act of aggression rather than defense.

46:39like it's it's like if if someone it's like if a black dude broke into my house you know with a gun prepared to kill my family and i killed him in self-defense and then you know joe scarborough goes uh we're just okay with murdering black people you know or we're just okay with shooting down black people go well you're leaving out a lot of context there anyway i did want to mention um Um, uh, Danny Davis, uh, posted about this. Um, by the way, his show is phenomenal. If people don't, um, if, if people don't watch deep dive with, uh, Colonel Daniel Davis, phenomenal show. Um, he's a, a retired Colonel and he's like a, you know, a legit, uh, military expert.

47:26And so this was what he said about it. Okay. And I'll, I'll defer to him on this. Cause I think this is exactly right. He said, it's still not clear that the U.S. helicopter was actually shot down by Iranian fire. The story floating around of an Iranian Shia, Shia, Shia drone taking down a U.S. aircraft, excuse me, taking down a U.S. aircraft is incredibly suspect as a Shia is not maneuverable. And the chances of it intercepting an American attack helicopter is very unlikely. And if it did, the explosion would have destroyed the aircraft, not just disabled it. Okay. Seen several other military experts making this similar point.

48:06The claim that Donald Trump's making here, the claim that CENTCOM is making here is that this drone, which is not a very maneuverable drone, hit one of our helicopters, didn't explode, but just disabled it. Every military expert I've heard talk about this is like, this just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Here's another thing that's a little bit suspect about it. The Iranians are not taking credit. They're saying they didn't do it. And you could immediately look at that and go, oh, so what are you saying? You trust the Iranians or something? If they say they didn't do it, then they didn't do it.

48:41And it's like, no, that's not what I'm saying. I've been very clear about this from the beginning of the war. You don't read drop site news, which you should all read drop site news, but you don't read drop site news and go, okay, that's the truth. The Iranian regime said it. They're a regime. They're a government, just like our government is a government. They have incentives to lie to when they do lie. and they have lied. But you look for admissions against interest, and then you look for their narrative, and you compare that to the facts on the ground, and you see how it adds up. There's no reason Iran wouldn't take credit for this if they did it.

49:17It just doesn't make any sense at all. First of all, it's a huge feather in their cap. They're down in American helicopters. Well, Donald Trump, by the way, is over here saying, we own the skies, and they've been completely destroyed, but they're downing a U.S. helicopter, they'd want to take credit for that. By the way, it's not as if Iran isn't being open about the retaliatory nature of their current campaign. They're talking about their 1.5 doctrine, and they're talking about how they hit all these bases, and they're talking about how they are closing the strait. They're not sitting there going, hey, we didn't close the strait.

49:51We didn't fire off missiles toward Kuwait or Bahrain or whatever. No, they're saying, yes, we did that. It doesn't make a lot of sense that they wouldn't be taking credit for this. So anyway, just something there, not really buying this whole story, which conveniently did lead to the last escalation of this conflict. So who knows what really happened there? Anyway, I'm very open to the belief that Donald Trump believes this is what happened. I'm not sure it is. Okay, let's go. Let's play Donald Trump's next clip.

50:28Thanks for joining us. So you say you're announcing you're going to hit them very hard tonight. What went into posting that? Well, it's just one of those things. They have no defense. They can't do anything about it. The only thing they have is fake news. You know, they have the New York Times write stories like they're doing great and they're not. They've been wiped out. CNN and that MS Now or whatever they call it nowadays, NBC had to get rid of it because it was bad for their reputation. organization but uh the uh the you know publicity that they have is incredible it's almost like they're doing well and they're getting decimated just decimated and they're dying to make a deal they want to make a deal so badly but you know you read the new york times and you read the the wall street journal which is so fake i mean i know you guys own it but it's a real piece of garbage and you read the wall street journal it's like they did an editorial today about But we're not hitting them hard enough.

51:26I mean, it's just not hitting them hard enough. We dropped$250 million worth of bombs on them last night. You know, the whole thing is crazy. And they're really in submission. They just don't know it yet, okay, to be honest with you. They just don't know it yet. And we are talking to them and all. But, you know, look, my preference has always been take Cargill. And that's been Brian knows that. I spoke to him a long time ago. Lawrence knows it. I spoke to him a long time ago. I said my preference would be that. I don't know that America has the stomach for it, to be honest with you. You need to make a fortune.

52:00But I don't know that America has the stomach. I think they'd like to see us come home. But we did it with Venezuela. Venezuela has worked out great for everybody. We've taken millions and millions of barrels of oil out of Venezuela. We've brought them to Houston and various other places. Louisiana. We're, you know, refineries that we have that are incredible. They're going 24 hours a day. making a fortune and you know I like that in this case too but I'm not sure that America has a long time you know it's a little longer process something that's a guarantee if I want to do it Mr. President alright so there's a couple things there that are really worth noting number one well I mean you know look he goes back to his oh we're winning we're destroying them the media won't report on it taking his shots at the media whatever Um, but first of all, the claim, so Iran is in a state of submission.

52:59They just don't know it yet. It's again, it's like Donald Trump. He just doesn't, he doesn't exactly understand concepts. He struggles with them a lot. Um, submission is not something that you, you don't enter into a state of submission, but you don't really know it yet. That's not what submission is. You might, Donald Trump might mean to say that they're in a really bad place and they're going to have to submit and they haven't figured out yet that they're going to have to submit is kind of more like what he means. But again, that means they're not submitting yet. And this is a fact. We know this to be a fact because Donald Trump's been saying sign this deal for weeks now and they haven't.

53:45So they have not submitted. But he's arguing that he can get them to submit. Now, again, what is the obvious issue with that? Well, I mean, if you couldn't get them to submit by threatening to destroy their entire civilization, I'm not so sure that even dropping$250 million worth of bombs in a night, and I bet it was more than that if you look at the total cost, I'm not so convinced that that's going to do the job. I mean, it is worth noting as the Houthis just recently entered this conflict. If you think about, which really is something I think for Americans, particularly Americans in 2026 to think about.

54:34You know, like I used to say this back at the beginning of the war in Ukraine. when I would say just like, look, when the Russians say like Ukraine is a big threat to us, we can't have Ukraine being a part of America's military alliance. You know, you got to understood that Russia was invaded through Ukraine multiple times in their history. And if you're, you know, if you're an American, we've had lots of wars, say in the last hundred years. Um, and that's a part of our story and everybody knows that. And there is a lot, um, you know, in my generation, like I'm a millennial, my grandfather fought in world war two and a lot, that was like a very common thing amongst people, my age, like your grandfather fought in the great war, um, the World War II.

55:31But, you know, I guess a generation earlier would have been World War I. But, okay, so now I guess today young people are a little aged out of that. Maybe it would be their, maybe not quite great grandfather, but not their grandfather, I guess, who fought in world. Maybe their grandfathers fought in Vietnam or something like that. But war to us is kind of like, oh, the older men, they packed their bags and went off and fought in a war. It was like they went over there. Even if it was World War II, it was like maybe they stormed the beaches or something, but they fought in Europe or maybe they fought in the Pacific Theater.

56:05Maybe they were stationed in North Africa or something like that, but like it was over there. Pearl Harbor was one day and Pearl Harbor is over there, right? It's not like Hawaii isn't really part of America in like mainland, like America proper. I mean, it's proper, but not part of the actual piece of land. so 9-11 of course we have it's this one day this thing happened and that really did shake us up but it is a different thing than say like the perspective of a russian who you if you were a russian you know if you were an american in the year 2000 or 2005 or something like that and you were 100 years old you had lived through the boys packing up for world war one and the boys packing up for world war two maybe you went on one of i don't know but like you you had you know you had seen Pearl Harbor on the news or you had seen 9-11 on the news.

56:56But if you're a Russian in the year 2005, who was a hundred years old, you had seen your country collapse multiple times. Like the entire regime collapse, people starving in the streets. You'd seen your country invaded and people just like, and this does have a different, it creates a different psychology, a different mentality, a different aversion to, to these type of conflicts and a different spirit. And anyway, I'm just saying, look, the Houthis go, go read up what the people of Yemen went through from 2015 through 2022. And I know this show was one of the only ones that really cared about it, man.

57:37We talked about this shit all the time. People used to make fun of me in those years for always bringing up Yemen. That was like an inside joke. Like even people who liked me, go, there's Dave, talk about Yemen some more. Because no one cared. But I just wouldn't stop talking about it. I shouldn't say no one cared. I got Joe Rogan interested in it. And I got some people interested in it. And obviously, Scott Horton and Dave DeCamp. And there were like a bunch of really great people. But not nearly enough. But what Saudi Arabia and the US did to Yemen for seven years was every bit as bad as what Israel did to Gaza over the last two and a half.

58:09It was that. Literally, just on a bigger scale. Basically that. I mean, the Saudis were bombing farmland and wheat silos. Like, it was a war on the civilian population. That's the war. What Natalie is telling me here that people are saying Trump called off the strikes for tonight. All right, let me finish this little rant and then I'll check that. But thank you for putting that in here.

58:36There's what the Houthis and the people of Yemen went through over the last years, and they're still here fighting. Want to talk about Lebanon? What's been going on in southern Lebanon for many years, but particularly for the last few months? You know, the Hezbollah fought through not one, but two invasions and military occupations by Israel that lasted years. Obviously, Iran has been a sanction crippled, relegated, isolated country. they've dealt with lots of issues attacks from Israel they dealt with a war last summer from Israel and America big protest movements, civil unrest and now a huge bombing campaign in this latest war they're still there they're still saying the straits closed they're still launching off missiles and so I'm just saying when you think about people in this situation who have been through this much and they're still there and they're still fighting.

59:39You know, you read about the way that the Iranian Shiites conducted the 1980 Iraq-around war when Saddam Hussein invaded, used chemical weapons on them, slaughtered them by the hundreds of thousands. They still wouldn't quit. The idea that Trump's going to drop a few bombs and that gets them to quit seems highly unlikely. Seems highly unlikely. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Quince. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I want a piece that feels lighter and more breathable, things that are easy but still put together. That's why I keep coming back to Quince.

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1:01:33Now available in Canada too. That's quince.com, Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash P-O-T-P for free shipping and 365-day returns. All right, let's get back into the show. And then the thing to keep in mind here is that you look, let's just say like the absolute best case scenario here is what? I mean, I think the best case scenario is that Donald Trump just stops. You guys said he's he just his latest is he called off the strikes. OK, well, let's see if that's true. Then I think that is the best. All right. I will. But I should make the point that let's say let's say he is able to pull this off somehow.

1:02:15let's say that somehow, despite everything I just told you, Donald Trump inflicts a little bit more pain on them and they go, this is just too much. We can't bear this. Maybe they're worried their own people are going to overthrow them. No evidence at all that that's the case. They seem more popular than ever. Seems like a rally around the flag effect is what's happening. But let's say that's wrong and they do eventually go, fine, we'll sign a deal. We'll promise to never get nuclear weapons. We'll turn over the enriched uranium. We'll open the Strait of Hormuz. Like what they give them it all.

1:02:48Guess what? Those are all things we had under the JCPOA. And I'm not somebody in the business of giving Obama credit, but the fact is they didn't have 60 % enriched uranium. They were down to like 3 % or 3.25, whatever the number exactly was. They were very down in enriched uranium. The Strait of Hormuz was open. We had all of this. what are we actually doing? Donald Trump's whole thing is Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. That's what the Ayatollah said before you murdered him. And then it still seems to me that I suppose that the worst case scenario is quite likely that the regime collapses.

1:03:32And we're just looking at a Libya type situation or even worse, a Syria type situation. All right, here let me see uh so here barack ravid uh uh post brock ravid of course is donald trump's uh mouthpiece over at axios uh um bait this is trump truth social based on the fact uh that discussions with the islamic republic of iran have been brought to the highest level of iranian leadership and approved i have as president of the united states of america canceled the scheduled strikes and bombings against Iran this evening. Discussions and final points have been in both concept and great detail approved by all parties.

1:04:11All right. So there we go, guys. In the show, within the course of this show, he's contradicted what he said earlier. And now I guess he's back. Barack Ravid is tweeting this. Again, Barack Ravid is the one who published the piece one week ago today saying that the deal is done. So now they're back to saying the deal is done. You know, Donald Trump, for all of his talk about how they're totally destroyed, we could take Carg Island and we could do all of these things. Donald Trump seems to be pretty hesitant to do any of those things. It's almost like maybe he can't pull that off. Guys, I don't even know what to say as my prediction on this.

1:04:55I think this is bullshit and we're going to be right back in this circle over the next week. then again look I'll say this and this will be the last thing I say we'll wrap up but the Iranians have said yes we're willing to make a deal we've already sent you the outline for what we will agree to and maybe it is the case that Donald Trump you know what they were saying is that it was the Iranians claimed it was a lie that Donald Trump had said we were waiting for them for weeks they're like they weren't waiting we've told you this entire time what our deal is. They said that Trump tried to add some other things that they just weren't going to agree to.

1:05:31So if they are saying they have a deal, be interesting to see what's actually in that thing. Cause it's certainly not going to be what Trump has been promising. Anyway, we will catch you guys next time. Uh, we'll do members only episode tomorrow, uh, tomorrow at noon members only episode. Catch you guys. Then thanks for those of you who, uh, have subscribed and thank you to everybody who listens, share the podcast with a friend, give it, you know, like, subscribe, hit the bell, five stars, whatever you're supposed to do. Comment. You guys know this better than me. All right. Catch you next time.

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