The Future of the American Right

29:58It's like, wait, but what if what I'm saying is just true? Like, what if it's true? And I, you know, my everybody who's my age, I mean, this is like our coming of age story was all this shit through Iraq and Afghanistan, dude, the whole time, the whole time they told us. I mean, it was 20 years, dude, for Afghanistan. It was 20 fucking years. And Iraq, I mean, depending on exactly how you measure it, you know, we just had some troops, I think, leave there last week. So I don't know exactly how you measure it, but it was at least eight years of an incredibly bloody civil war, 15 years of military, you know, intervention, plus, you know, years of full military occupation.

30:40The whole time, it told us how good it's going, how great it is. There were just elections. I remember like in 2004 or whatever year it was when they had the elections in Iraq. That's how great it's going. It's this, how great the Afghan army was. The Taliban's been completely defeated. And any time anyone would point out the truth, they'd go, you're undermining the war effort. This is helping the other side. This is so, you know, it's the most pathetic of games. It is. Yeah. The problem here is that, you know, whatever the people might actually know what's going on. yeah let's keep playing and i'd like a leaked report on what's going on in the middle of ben shapiro's lip that is uh nothing's come out yet they've been very they've been very tight-lipped about that at the daily water let's do let's see which wing of the administration is doing the leaking i do not think it is a mystery wrapped in an enigma who exactly is doing the leaking at this point inside the administration you're pounding anybody's been watching See, this is now you can understand why I'm connecting Ben Shapiro's rant to the the civil war within the right.

31:49So here's his big this is his big slam on on our wing, I guess, Rob, broadly speaking, as if we really have much of a wing inside the administration anymore. I think everybody who's good has been, you know, called a low IQ loser by Tucker by by Trump. Excuse me at this point. um so he's going look broadly speaking there's two different wings here right you know broadly speaking it could be like the ben shapiro wing and the r wing right there are right wingers who worship israel and there are also some of these right wingers who are like america first out there who don't want to fight all these wars now rob which one of them do you think is leaking the information about this war so there you go there you go rob that's the big hit on our side You guys, our side, the neocon Ben Shapiro side would never leak information about how the war we just convinced the president to launch is completely unwinnable.

32:48We would never. Only the other side would let you know that. Wow. What a pitch, Ben Shapiro. There you have it. Mark Levin would keep his mouth shut as he knew that there was no chance we could win this war and could only get people killed and damage the global economy. But if there's one thing he wouldn't do, it's tell you about that. Ben Shapiro's candidate, 2028. There you go. That's what they have. OK, yeah, I mean, who the hell knows who it is who leaked this or what his political or his or her political leanings are? Yeah, not completely unreasonable to suspect that they might be skeptical of the war.

33:29But Rob, what are we doing here? Like, what a weird way to look at all of this. The relevant question would be, is this information true? Is this war completely unwinnable? And have we been completely misled? It's just one more. It's not just one more. It's one more gigantic reason why this was the most idiotic decision ever to launch this war. That's what matters. us on the extremely uh pro-war side of the right wing have decided we won't share any information that makes us look bad wonderful i mean you could very likely i mean it's equally as likely that you actually do have republicans who are in high-ranking uh you know divisions of the military who are looking at the actual logistics of this and going this needs to stop and uh despite the fact that they are republicans they're looking at the actual intelligence and the fact that it's either not making it to its way to Trump or Trump's ignoring it.

34:23We're not seeing it. And, uh, you know, even sat down and had a meeting, Hey, we're not supposed to leak information. Well, if it's not for us putting this into the newspaper, uh, Pete Hegseth is going to tell something different to Donald Trump and we're going to be back at war. And then it's going to come back our way in six months when this is a disaster and we have zero military stockpiles. I think our best, uh, course of action right now is to make this public. That's also pop. I'm not saying that's what happened. No, you're right. It's possible. No, no, it's it's more that look, it is absolutely true that it doesn't require at all.

34:58And on top of that, it's it's quite likely that it's not somebody who ideologically like agrees with us or Tucker Carlson. It's like how many people like that are still in the administration? Honestly, it's it's quite possibly, Rob, that this was leaked by someone who doesn't have strong ideological feelings about non interventionist foreign policy. It might even be somebody who's OK with Israel genocide in Gaza, just like Ben Shapiro would like. They could simply just recognize that this is like going to this could be terrible for our country. They may have some ounce of patriotism. That's all it would really take.

35:35So, yeah, we have no idea. But that won't stop Ben Shapiro from trying to score political points in the most retarded way. Anyway, here, let's keep playing. Just who's doing it. But according to The Washington Post, several U.S. military leaders have advised Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that prolonging large scale operations against Iran is unsustainable and risks weakening their ability to confront threats elsewhere, including U.S. homeland. according to people familiar with the recent assessment prepared for the Pentagon chief. The warnings detailed for heads up by the heads of the Army, Navy, and Air Force and the four-star commanders overseeing U.S.

36:08operations throughout Europe, Asia, and Latin America appear in the August 14th edition of the Secretary of Defense Orders book. According to those people, they describe the assessment to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity because the document is classified. Every single person who is leaking this stuff to the Washington Post needs to be identified, fired, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This is insane. These leaks have to stop. They are a fact. They are, in fact, a treasonous act. It is a treasonous act to leak that information. Now, the administration is taking the bizarre position that the real problem here is the press.

36:42The problem here is not the press. The problem here is the members of the administration who are leaking. They should be tracked down. Put the people on it inside the Pentagon whose job is to prevent the leaks. Sean Parnell over at the Defense Department said, publishing highly classified assessments from the Secretary's Order's book is a crime. It's a betrayal of the force, and much of what they're publishing is inaccurate. Of course, we demand candid military advice. None concurs our standard. The Secretary sees them constantly. That's how you run a real military. The story isn't about readiness.

37:08It's TDS and PDS. They hate President Trump and Secretary Hegseth more than they love America. Now, again, that's true. Identify the leakers and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. And none of that should be controversial. Back in 2010, Barack Obama literally fired the top Afghanistan commander, Stanley McChrystal, not for leaking information, but for simply talking in disparaging ways about him. And then he was replaced by David Petraeus. So there's a long history of this sort of stuff. Pete Hexeth was asked about reports that missile stockpiles were running low. Here was his answer.

37:38The press reported that nearly all the attack of weapons were used. Did the United States use both military, use both unitary and... Why would I answer, I mean, this is kind of a stupid question I would never answer. why would i answer a question about whether we do or do not have certain types of issues i'll tell you we have 110 percent i'll tell you we have one i would never answer that question at american press is fully to want to press an american war department about where we may or may not be uh on classified exclusive systems we had plenty when we needed it and we have plenty now and we have plenty when we'll need them in the future all right you can cut it off there natalie well that's basically where i wanted to get to so that this is what we're looking at rob This is supposed to be, and look, Rob, look here.

38:19If, if you don't feel confident enough about this, here's a video of our secretary of war spazzing out in a defensive freak out when asked about the question with absolutely no answer. It's just crazy. They ask him about it. He goes, I can't do anything about this. So you think I'm going to tell you if we don't even have it? And you're like, this is supposed to be reassuring. This is, but Ben Shapiro, don't worry. Ben Shapiro. There really is something about this dude. I mean, look, I don't know, man. He's calling people, he's saying this is treasonous and calling for people to be prosecuted. Now, again, Rob, as I said, it's not treason.

39:01I mean, the way he would try to spin it as treason is that somehow this information was aid to the enemy and for them to know it is a big advantage. But that's, it's really such a stretch. But just think about like Ben Shapiro literally is, in effect, a foreign spy in our country advocating for wars on behalf of a foreign country. And now he's calling for Americans to go to prison for the crime of informing the citizenry about what a lie the war that foreign spies in effect, like Ben Shapiro. So like when you just think about that, Rob, like really think about the dynamic. It's like, I don't know, man, there's something just so profoundly evil about that.

39:53No. Oh, that wasn't the sentence you were going for my bad. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

40:03It's not what I was going to say, but it was just so fucked up. It's so goddamn evil. Like I just can't imagine like you're like advocating for some policy in the most duplicitous fashion. And then like, if someone exposes that you advocate that they look, dude, I'm not trying to again. I'm not the one being hyperbolic here. he's saying treason and prosecute he's a lawyer okay he knows what that means i'm not sure rob are you audience are you guys familiar with the punishment for treason okay it ain't a slap on the wrist it's public execution this is what ben shapiro is calling for he's saying these people should be killed he is literally advocating that americans be murdered for telling the truth to the the american people i'd like i understand you're going that's illegal they signed a contract like yeah okay all right i don't give a shit like i don't care what what is the word illegal doesn't mean anything other than the government says you can't do it so yes the government says you're not allowed to tell when the government's committing profound crimes whatever um but okay i don't care about that uh but i i like people being told the truth it's also just like, um, to just, to just be in the business of doing what Ben Shapiro does and also be against people being given the truth does seem like a gigantic performative contradiction of some sort, Rob.

41:31No, I love, uh, I love that Hagstaff clip, which is how dare you? I'm not supposed to live in an environment with a culpability for my actions. Uh, you know, me and me and the president are both on board with the strategy of winging it and just pretending like everything's fantastic. And we both agreed that that's going to work out in the end. Don't ask me any questions. There's no reason why I should have to give any transparency here. This is all going great. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon by El Nutra. I've been telling you about them for a while, guys.

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43:23Prolonlife.com slash P-O-T-P. There's something to the fact that like in 10 years, you know, from 2016 to now, it went from being like Donald Trump was such a fucking, I don't know. Donald Trump was this just like, you know, bowling a China shop like this buffoon in this in this buffoonish. he was like a very freewheeling loose buffoon in a very uptight snooty buffoonish environment where the other buffoons were judging him for being a buffoon it was just there's something so comical about it and he was so ridiculous that it actually exposed how dumb how terrible the media was because even this buffoon was making you look bad and now it's almost like it's flipped that like, it's like the media is so bad and you're so much worse that they're still making you look bad.

44:21Like you're that you've come back to now, like, it was almost like it started as like, if it was wrestling, like the media was getting Trump over. It was like, they were so bad that they could get his terrible thing over. And now Trump's so terrible that he can get the media's terrible thing over because I don't know, there's a million things you can complain about about today's uh you know the state of journalism or those who claim to be journalists today but when it's leaked that we're running you know you know that we we cannot continue our war effort and that we're depleting our um our our ammunitions and our our military gear it's like totally reasonable and absolutely the job of a journalist to ask that to the secretary of defense.

45:07Just like they, they, that's absolutely what you're supposed to do is go ask him whether or not that's true for him to be appalled that, that a journalist asked about it when someone in the government leaked, it is just, this is dumb. I mean, kind of the defense. It's on the level of a mid COVID. Hey, people who are getting the vaccines are seemingly popping positive for COVID and then Fauci yelling at them. Hey, you're undermining our health strategy. It's like, we've got this information. You're the person to ask this information to. how dare you ask me a question and that's treason because it helps our enemies you know same same logic right and that's the same thing it's treason because if our enemies knew that that could help them if they knew that we were our health strategy was terrible or something like that or that are you know whatever all right let's uh let's switch over to vivek rob because i gotta i can't not I can't not I like Vivek but man this is this this almost was uh I mean I guess maybe after getting booed off the stage at Young Americans for Liberty he's like fuck that dude I'm going back to uh I'm going back to Team Israel uh but he's you know if you remember Rob and we've we've talked about this a bit we we did an episode on on that uh speech that Vivek gave and Vivek was the one who tried in the presidential elections to, um, to kind of really straddle the fence.

46:32I think he recognized that he, he had to try to be kind of like the insurgent, you know, grassroots candidate, and you couldn't really be pro Israel and be that guy. So he would say things like, we're going to kill the terrorists on our Southern border and Netanyahu, you go do the same thing or we'll do it separately. You know, it was like, but he would try to like find common ground. Anyway, he gave a speech the other day at the Republican Jewish coalition. And I don't know, man. I mean, this was really something to behold. I got to say, Rob, as somebody who liked Vivek Ramaswamy, who likes Vivek personally, who's known him.

47:16We were friendly. And he's been on the podcast. He was on several times in 24. and I got to say I am just I'm shocked with the direction he's chosen to go with all of this and I could not I find almost it is really hard to overstate how unappealing and politically idiotic this this whole turn for Vivek has been from my perspective we're gonna get into it but any comments before i uh i play this this clip here no let's roll the clip and then let's trash him all right here's vaykram swami speaking at the republican jewish coalition let's play and so you may ask the question why am i here at the republican jewish coalition talking to you about success it is because you represent the most successful demographic group in america and the anti-semitism that is now spreading across our country is not just an attack on jewish people it is an attack on success it is an attack on the idea of success it is an attack on the idea of meritocracy it is an attack on the idea of capitalism it is an attack on the very idea of america itself that is the truth of the matter just pause it already oh my god so this is in in the middle of this moment and by the way also on top of everything else on top of everything else this is just so dishonest like Vivek just knows better you know what I mean he's it's so cynical like not no part of him believes this you know and look I gotta say this was always the thing about Vivek I you know he was always a nice enough guy he always he was super smart like knew what he was talking about um he talked about interesting things he had we didn't agree on everything he was bad on some issues but he was really good on some other issues but there was always like a fucking quality to him that was like, I don't, this guy seems a little too slick, like not sincere.

49:22Like when I watch him say this, he's like, he doesn't, dude, you're in the middle of this moment. There's, this is not, again, we're not imagining this. You're not imagining that Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Alex Jones, Candace Owens, you know what I mean? Like all of the fucking, the whole comedy podcast, like the whole, all of the media has turned on Donald Trump. He's at his lowest approval ratings ever. Israel's approval for Israel has absolutely collapsed. The support for this war has never existed. Like there's a big split here on the right. And Vivek's comment here is that, you know what it is here, dude?

49:59You know why antisemitism has risen so much over the last few years? Success. It's a war on success. Everybody hates the Jews because of their success. Because you know, Rob, and you can actually see this mapped out on charts. And I'm not sure why this is, but it was like for several different economic reasons. It might have been a crop yield. Right after October 7th, in the immediate response to October 7th, Jewish success just skyrocketed, dude. Like just out of nowhere, the last three years, Jews have been really successful. And so obviously with that came all of this Jew hatred. I hear it all the time.

50:38I can't do it. I can't go on on Twitter without hearing someone talk about how how Jews have disproportionately dominated the field of chemistry and how, you know, upper middle class dentists are like all Jews. You know how like I don't know. So like like where is actually any of the evidence for that? To sit here and pretend it is so intentionally dishonest to sit here and pretend that what the split is about here, what the split is about is the fact that like, I don't know, Jewish people do well financially or that they're successful. I don't know where is the evidence that that's what the resentment is over.

51:23And for Vivek to be saying this in this context, it's like, but you're saying that's the problem that all of us, that's how you size up all the rest of us. That's the issue we have with Israel. That's why all of this has exploded. All right. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is CrowdHealth. This summer, enjoy real freedom and health care that actually works for you. Now, you've heard me talk about CrowdHealth for many years, but now they've made it even better with the Black Swan membership. This is the no BS alternative for people who want control over their care, their costs, and their lives.

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52:36So this summer, stop renting your health from the system. Take your power back and enjoy the season with real peace of mind. If you're ready to make the switch, head over to joincrowdhealth.com and use the promo code POTP, and you'll get your first three months for less than$85. That's joincrowdhealth.com, and the promo code is POTP. All right, let's get back into the show. Dude, when I was listening to this, it was making me more anti-Semitic, and it's like, oh, please don't talk about how successful Jews are. That doesn't, I don't think that, I don't think that helps the case at all. But firstly there's still a flavor Of who the hell are you to tell us About what it is to be an American And what other people And where other people are misguided about their American beliefs Additionally I think if There was a flavor Of anti-Semitism towards Jewish success It's whether or not that success was Achieved in an honest mechanism It's not Exactly just a jealousy of success Or a skepticism Of how that Success was achieved Now I don't want to fall into the trap of What the Israeli government Does which is Trying to pretend that Criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism Because it's just not It sounds to me like Vivek is doing That here and then the criticism Is not just the success that Israel Has achieved on its own because they're such a Smart and hardworking culture It's the amount of public funding that they're getting From America the support they're getting from America and that we're involved in wars and quagmires that we don't otherwise need to be involved in on their behalf.

54:13Yeah. I imagine framing it as success. And by the way, you know, probably we're not for just success. Like however you define it, like, oh, that's, that's your problem, Rob. You don't enjoy a successful genocide, huh? And a successful destruction of, of Gaza. Look how successful that destruction was. Oh, you must just hate success. Well, yeah, like I don't like success. Like if you're a bank robber, I wish you failure. OK, if you're a rapist, I don't wish you success. Like success is bad in some senses. Like, you know, and I guess we could play the semantic game and argue about what it truly means to be successful.

54:50but, but to frame this as like, that's the problem that people have. And then, yeah, of course the other thing is, is, you know, you know, the vague to be the face of what Americans are supposed to feel or what true Americanism is already pretty ridiculous, but also like, you know, as you just touched on there, Rob, which is the ultimate key, right? Is that look, if, if you're successful, let's say you're successful in the way that we do support, like someone being successful in the market and someone were to say to you like, Hey man, you know, whatever we're against your success. And you could sit there and go like, well, listen, this is how I created this success.

55:28You know, I created the success by employing 60 ,000 people and by opening this and creating this, you know, whatever automobile and doing this and creating these things that make people, it's like the vague, like, I don't really know that much about his background business history, but it's like, you made your money in the pharmaceutical industry at a very young age, you're like a very young, super, super loaded, very, let's just say, connected guy. I don't think you're the guy who should be lecturing people about success. You know, it's like one of the things that people are very upset about is that this, our whole economic system is so corrupt that a lot of the people who become successful become successful because they were more politically connected or they played dirtier or they cheated or they or or the rules were rigged in their favor and to some degree so like no rob like like success is admirable when it's achieved in like a just way you know what i mean it's not it's not just like that success itself is good and i gotta say man one of the things maybe not the first thing but top three things that just like irritate the shit out of me about this is that you're like, he's turning all of this into some type of defense for capitalism.

56:44And you're like, dude, talk about the worst defense for capitalism in the world. I mean, the only underlying policy that people are objecting to on this front is socialism. It's militarism, military spending, foreign aid. You know what I'm saying? Like all types of speech laws and all types of lobbying efforts. and all, it's all big government bureaucracy mess. And he's framing this as like the people who have a problem with your tax dollars going to kill Palestinians or just hate success and hate capitalism. And like, all right, look, dude, like there are a lot of socialists out there who also don't like Israel.

57:23And so in some weird way, he's forcing them to be the spokesman of having a problem with the Jews and capitalism to be the people supporting them. but much like those people who are socialists just make the the anti-israel movement look bad the people who are capitalists supporting this shit just make capitalism look bad so the worst i couldn't imagine a works a worse spokesman what is what is rob if you really wanted to convince young people today about the the virtues of free market capitalism send a pharma scamming indian who loves war or is running cover for the war or something to them what all right that's what free markets are all right let's keep playing i'll paraphrase the great american writer joseph epstein who's almost 90 years old now and a really funny guy he's just pause it for a second although he's light you couldn't have found someone with any other name is it in the middle of this you just had to quote your good friend joseph Epstein.

58:29I mean, I understand he's a writer, Rob. It's not his fault. And, you know, Gene Epstein's one of the greatest people I know. But it just in this particular speech, it was a weird time to say, and I sure would like to thank Jet Epstein, good friend of mine. Anyway, yeah, let's keep playing. Sorry. He's Jewish, although he's lightheartedly described himself as Jew-ish. Okay, that's his his description. He wrote a short book in 2003 called Envy. And I'll paraphrase him, as many have over the years. It resonates a lot more today even than it did back then. You realize that almost every single vice offers some kind of immediate comforting reward.

59:17Think of the seven deadly sins. Pride makes you feel grand and important. Gluttony fills your stomach. Like lust satisfies your deepest physical urges. Sloth lets you comfortably avoid the burdens of the world. They're all guilty pleasures. They're driven by a desire for satisfaction. But envy operates totally differently. Envy requires no satisfaction. It is born entirely out of malice, out of hidden rancor, out of a secret hostility for somebody else's happiness. It doesn't make you feel good even for a second. it clobbers your generosity it clouds your thoughts it shrivels your heart you just sit there completely miserable stewing over what somebody just pause it for a second of this you know rob it really is i mean this listen we don't have to disagree with this it really is the worst sin to be envious you know at least like when you commit other sins like when you crush newborn infants with buildings in front of their mothers at least you get that rush of like killing a Palestinian you know what I mean with envy you're just like you're just angry all the time I can't think of a worse than than envy um like I just don't know it's just also stupid like there's you know part of the like like envy and um there is a real problem with envy don't get me wrong about that and there is a real problem with like leftism and socialism being mixed up with envy But like, there is a difference between envy and outrage.

1:00:52You know what I mean? Like, there's a difference between envy and someone going, hey, this is outrageous that you're like, achieving success so unfairly. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a big difference between that. And I don't know. Also, just, I guess maybe more broadly speaking, could there be a worse message to bring to the Republican Jewish coalition right now? like genuinely could do you think there is a worse thing rob like that you could come to the to the jewish republican coalition right now and be like guys we got to talk about what's going on right now and here's the thing that you guys got to hear you're awesome and you know how you've noticed over the last three years that cho everyone hates your fucking guts it's because you're so awesome so just keep being awesome man and they really got to learn to just fucking accept that you're better than them you know like this is the message um i can't think about how pathetic this is if you're a average white american voter let's just call it the core of the republican party and you're seeing this speech all you're hearing is us scammy minorities need to stick together because the rest of the population is getting jealous of what we have and they're going to try and take it from us.

1:02:15And so we need to go preach to them about the American value of capitalism so that they quit complaining and they just sit down and take it. I mean, you're going to either turn off Republicans or give more of a pathway towards these Democratic socialists or at least pretending that they're going to steal other people's shit and that you're going to be the beneficiary of the stolen shit. Yeah, I was, you know, Rob, it's funny you say this. I was just trying to, uh, this is, by the way, this is just an unbelievable, excellent point. You know, I, I got in a lot of trouble for making this point, um, on a Candace Owens show.

1:02:49And I said something along the lines of, uh, cause where they were, it was when they were first, this is right after October 7th, where they were first talking about all that anti-Semitism on college campuses. And I said, this is the most insulting thing ever to white people. I go like, dude, there's been all this anti-white rhetoric on college campuses for decades. But all of a sudden, if there's one thing about the Jews, then the administration jumps into power. And I made the point that I was exactly like you said. I go, by the way, it's like, you know, you'd think and this is part of the reason, man, why people get so suspicious about this thing and why it leads to so many types of conspiracy theories, even some that I do think get get kooky and even worse go into the realm of kind of like real bigotry and prejudice and hatred and stuff like that that I don't think is good.

1:03:33um but you would think rob right like if i just if i just showed you this speech you would almost think like well here you have a politician kissing the ass of a voting demographic you know that's what you got here and so you'd think like that's got to be their big voting demographic is jews right but no the republican party's whole voting demographic is white guys i mean it's like they they don't even, Jews are like, I think Jews, um, like, like to overwhelmingly something like 75 % of Jews are, are liberal or something like that. It's like the overwhelming majority of Jews are like 2 % of the population.

1:04:12So we're like 2 % of the population, maybe a quarter of Jews vote Republican. This is like 25 % of 2 % of the population. And you're just sitting there with an open message that it's like, and you're just better. You're better than them. These dummies who vote for guys like me there's it's just it's it's very strange to see here let's play let's play one more uh little bit of it and then we'll we'll call it a show seven deadly sins only envy is no fun at all and that my friends is the heart of the matter i believe when it comes to anti-semitism in the modern era i believe that it is envy of jewish achievement which spans science to medicine the arts to business that is actually the main driver of anti-semitism now spreading his response exactly like he's so close to just being like hey you know for a small minority you guys certainly hold very high positions across our economy i mean it really is incredible that for uh being one percent of the population you look at how many people in in government are actually from your minority and everyone's sitting in the audience just cringing like, shh, we try not to tell anyone.

1:05:29But it's again, dude, it's like, I like, look, this is, and this is what I've always said about this. If you remember, me and you have talked about this for many years, even before, you know, antisemitism was kind of like as, as, you know, whatever they want, whatever they I'm not even trying to use the wrong word, but whatever they would call this rise and people talking about the Jews or whatever. Yeah, we used to, I remember actually us doing an episode back in like the studio at Gas digital like 2018 or something about barry weiss talking about this stuff and then us just being like yeah but like okay if we're gonna have this conversation let's just like have it honestly because when you talk about look rob it is true and and whatever we're coming to the end of the time here we could talk about this some other time we have talked about this before there's lots of reasons for why this is the case but it is true that like say jews who are two percent of the population are like, as I said before, in like chemistry and dentistry and like Nobel prizes for different scientific achievement and all types of different things that were Jews are like way, way, way overrepresented.

1:06:30And you can certainly argue that in lots of these areas, these are things that really contribute to society. And so if you were going to be a dumb collectivist and start giving points for the Jews or points away from the Jews, like, yeah, These are things that almost should be counted for Jewish people. Jewish people have very disproportionately like composed great symphonies. But also, Rob, you would notice that like I've also listened to the people criticizing Jews and none of that shit ever comes up. None of them have ever criticized Jews for that. I've just never heard that. What they do criticize Jews in their disproportionate roles for is in banking, media, pornography, things like this.

1:07:10And it's hard to argue that those things aren't very destructive towards society. And so like, no, I don't think it's fair to blame all Jews for that. But to say the reason why people hate the disproportionate influence of Jews is purely envy. Like the only reason you could oppose the Federal Reserve System is that like, I just wish I was in on the racket is not true. Now, it also might be misguided, as I certainly think it is, to be like, you know, Jews were disproportionately involved in pornography, therefore I blame Jews for the pornography and all of that. But that's not envy. That's not what that is.

1:07:45It might be a different category error, or you could argue against extrapolating that from that, that somehow Jews are responsible for something. Or you could argue that like, eh, that was an opening in the market that was going to be exploited by somebody at some point anyway. It doesn't really, like there's lots of arguments. But to argue that your problem with that is just that you're jealous of how much poon that porn director is getting or something like that is stupid. You're not taking on their argument at all. You're just you're I don't know. This is this is a big being like the worst, cheapest politician.

1:08:17It's one of two things. He's either made the miscalculation of we got a poll from the Hillary Clinton playbook and shame the voters because that's the way that you get their support is by shaming them into submission. or he's walking into a room of potential Jewish donors and going, Hey, I got your back. I understand. I understand. It's just envy. And that's why they're coming for you. So I will say, dude, I hate, you know, and we got to wrap up here. So I hate to wrap up just speculating on his things, but I got to say that does sound like it makes a lot more sense. Cause you got to say, man, if you're going to be a phony politician, you wouldn't be, what are you doing?

1:08:54What are doing, Vivek? This is the most unappealing thing I've ever seen. This is like you said, lecturing the voters about their own, that's the problem. Because I thought, Vivek, we were on the same page, at least every time we ever talked, that actually there was this whole criminal class in Washington, D.C. who was just looting the American people. And by the way, that class is not gone. We all, the things that we agreed on about how the government's spending and all this stuff just like rapes the American people. That's all still going on. Stop lecturing the people about how they're envious.

1:09:27Maybe you should have a problem with the fact that this whole goddamn criminal class is just, you know, bankrupted the country on the backs of the workers. Anyway. All right. That's our episode for today. Porchdoor.com, comictapesmith.com. Catch you next time tomorrow, guys. Thomas Massey on the show. Big, big show. There you go. Dropped at the end. Catch you then. Peace.

1:09:55Thank you.