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32:40Cause if your answer to them is like, yeah, fuck you. We're the winners. You're the losers. It's like, okay, well, I got a gun and I can make you the loser right now. You've already endorsed this. Like force is what's justified thing. Like, I don't know. Do you have like no moral leg to stand on against any horrific attack against you? if you're going to go down that path. So I don't know. It's just like, it's an ugly direction to go down. I guess he's also arguing China should go take Taiwan. Hey, they're mightier. It's right there. If you can take it, the victor goes to spoils. Yeah, no, that's right.

33:18Now, I guess it should. We also should spend a moment here. Cause of course, by the way, of course, these things always go together. You know, it's like someone was saying to me, I can't remember. This was off podcast, but someone was arguing with me the other day, like at a show I met someone or they were saying, or they weren't even arguing, but they were making the point where they were going like, look, man, you know, the real depressing thing about America is that let's say the war resulted in oil going up or I mean, oil being cheaper, or let's say the war had worked out really well. People would probably just support it.

33:51You know, and people don't really stand on principle. They would just support it. If it was working, it's like, they're only against it. Cause it's not working. And anyway, I don't know. It just, we got into this conversation about it, but I was just like, uh, I was like, well, you know, luckily for me, I've never had to run that experiment because it's always sold off lies and it doesn't work. So, you know, it just makes my job that much simpler. And like, I don't know what to say. It's like, yeah, I guess with some of these things, like it, like, in other words, like I would still have a problem with it, even if Trump was saying, yeah, but we got the biggest deal ever.

34:23And now we have the biggest oil reserves of all time. It is worth pointing out that that's also complete bullshit and it's just not true at all. And I'm not, honestly, Rob, you might be better equipped to do this than me. I'm definitely not the most equipped guy to like debunk this. There's like fucking people who are more red on the topic or work in the industry and actually have some expertise, but like essentially, and you can go look this up. I'm right about what I'm saying here. Venezuela has always put out these wild numbers about what they're like oil reserves are. And they claim to have like the biggest oil reserves in the fucking history of the world.

34:56And so, and, and like, I don't know, like maybe that's true, or maybe it's not true. I don't really know, but then there's that. And then there's the amount of oil they're actually able to produce. And the amount of oil they're able to actually produce is a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of this huge number that they claim. Now, just taking over the amount of oil that they actually produce doesn't, isn't really a game changer at all. And in fact, in order for us to like really ramp up that production, it's going to take hundreds of millions of dollars of investment, which is like theoretically possible.

35:28This is the really thick crude oil that has to be refined in a specific way. And like they essentially I've read that with hundreds of millions of dollars of investment, it is possible that in the next seven to 10 to 15 years, there could be an increase in production and American oil companies could be in on that deal. However, there's a lot of ifs there, you know, there's like, okay, you have to get all of this investment. Venezuela is not exactly the safest place. Who's going to guarantee this investment to get it there, like there's a reason why investment wasn't flowing in before. There's a reason why these companies weren't like very excited about the war in Venezuela there.

36:01You know, would you want to put hundreds of millions of your dollars in Venezuela right now? You might want to guarantee on that. Now, who's going to end up guaranteeing that? Is that the taxpayers that will this actually work out? There's a lot of questions there. But for Donald Trump to just spin this as let's take that big, gigantic number in reserve that Venezuela talked about, and let's say that's America's now. is just none of this is true. It's just not real. And so it's, the jury is totally out on whether there's really any benefit that's been seen from this. And it's quite possible that what's going to end up happening is that there'll be a big investment that gets lost and this doesn't produce anything at all.

36:40Not clear. Anyway, any thoughts on that? Go ahead, Rob. Yeah, I mean, I dove into this when I guess when the deal was first announced. I think you're looking at five years till oil arrives. And the biggest problem is that oil has to be off the top of my head it's like not over 90 a barrel or for maybe a 70 there there's a higher price point that this investment is even break even and so you're assuming an elevated oil cost before it's even uh break even and then you got the moral problem which is essentially just some random billionaire down there has been given the contract with essentially us and the venezuelan government's backing so it it appears to be uh you know a total just blatant robbery yep there you go that issue too um but anyway yeah so just and there is something um you know there's something really deep to the point you were making before and I got to play around with it more in my head but yeah like in some way I always objected to the euphemisms of the state I kind of like calling it the department of war rather than the department of defense because it's not defense it's always aggression so you know but then you really do see something like you're like oh I don't know dude it does feel maybe long term this will be good but number one there's something that just feels like evil and soulless about the president just being like yeah we jack people and take their shit that's it I'm debating whether I should kill millions of children right now you know like there's something really disturbing about that and then also you You know, don't forget in this bigger picture here, Rob, which I got to say, if I'm putting my conspiracy Spidey hat on, this does set off like the hairs on my neck do stand up.

38:18But it's like, Rob, like. You can't get away from the fact that like broadly positioned here, Trump is still in some ways, symbolically representative of like the anti-establishment guy. right like it's the clintons and the bushes and cnn and the obamas and the political establishment and then it's this trump guy who came in and said they all sucked and it's like it's not as if the you know champion of the establishment then exposed to the nature of it this way it's like this guy and you know i don't know there was just so much energy that trump had behind him on people who were furious at how corrupt this establishment has been, that for him to just be an accelerated, naked cartoon character of the whole thing is, I don't know.

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40:23this is the time to prepare like dave go to prepare like dave.com and build your 90 days of real food security all right let's get back into the show but hey if you're not excited as of right now about uh about supporting republicans in the midterms rob i bet i can get you there listen i want you to go into this next one with an open mind okay this is jd vance at a rally the president and J.D. Vance are going around. They're going, listen, we really need to win these midterms. They're a referendum on us. Everyone hates us. So more of us is what's going to get them over the finish line. Here's J.D.

41:04Vance campaigning for Republicans in the midterm. The choice that we're facing is stark. It is common sense versus craziness. It's about keeping taxes low it's about rooting out fraud it's about making it easier for hard-working american families to buy a home to buy the medications they need dude pause it right there it's about dude rob that sure sounds good god damn that sounds good rob it's about keeping the crazies out it's about it's about keeping the crazies out and supporting common sense rob it's supporting lower taxes, making it easier to buy a house. Now there, now listen, Rob, there's a message that could work, right?

41:50There's a message that could resonate. I like that. It's not, listen, you keep these crazy at first off, have you seen these Democrats? They're fucking insane. So keep the crazy out. Keep the common sense people here. Let's keep taxes lower. Let's make it easier to buy a house. All right. There's a few problems that you have with selling this message already. Number one, like there's just, i don't know if you've noticed rob but taxes ain't that low and it's not that easy to buy a house i don't know if you've noticed this god damn fucking i don't know i look around at what houses cost i look around at how much taxes i pay i sure do not feel like it's super easy to buy a house and there are not much taxes like that is that is not my lived experience rob um and um and then of course on top of that it's like there's nothing common sense about launching this war there's nothing common sense about so much of what he's done did he say something about holding fraud accountable i know i didn't hear that rob i must have imagined that part um dude at the price everything has gotten more and more unaffordable and your boss has been bragging about the ballroom he's building.

43:07That's why you don't anymore. That's why the, the message of look at these crazy Dems vote for us. Common sense. People ain't thumping the way it used to. What do you think, Rob? Yeah. Well, that's why it's always easier to lie when you're on the outside and sell people a dream of what you're going to do. It's a little bit harder when you're two years in and you haven't done it. So, uh, I don't know about you, but when, when you're on the outside, you can go, or when they were on the outside, you go, Oh, look, they're actually talking about what I care about. The other side, isn't even talking about what I care about.

43:40Maybe these guys are going to do something for me, but when you've been in for two years and, uh, this has not been your focus. I just watched the president say it is currently not as focus. Uh, I have a hard time believing it. Yeah. And it's not even because look like, you know, No, you're 100 % right. You hit the nail on the head. It's a matter of the incumbency versus the insurgent candidate. And look, when you're the incumbent, you can't even mention house and afford, house and price in the same sentence unless, Rob, maybe you were in a situation where you go, dude, we have a bill on the table right now that will drastically lower the cost of housing.

44:20And we just need three more Republican seats in order to get it passed. Something like that. then maybe you could bring it up. But he's not saying that he said, we got the majority right now. He's not even saying we did anything for you or we will do anything. He's just going like vaguely. Don't you like the idea of like a country where you could afford housing? And what does that make anybody think in today's data? It's like, yeah, yeah, no, I would like that. It sure does suck that we have nothing like that. And you're not even pretending to have a plan for why we would. Let's keep playing. keeping the southern border closed it's about putting criminals in jail and it's about sending dangerous illegal aliens out of this country which is where they belong my friends there is more work to do of course and it will you know i will say here let's close it here and the support of course i've got to say rob right the um the immigration stuff is gotta be like the strongest thing that they have.

45:19I mean, it's got to be the strongest thing that Donald Trump can point to that like, Hey, there was this wide open border under Joe Biden. Um, and we've secured the border and that's good and all. And I give the administration their credit for that. That's a major issue. And they did plug up that hole. And so that's a problem. That deportations have been a mess, but that's kind of a separate subject, but you know, I got to say, Rob, and I don't know, I know I've, I think I've kind of expressed this before, and this might be a little bit unfair. I know that the Republican partisans really hate this point, but when you're not working in kind of like the left, right paradigm exclusively or a partisan framework, it frees you up to think like this.

45:58But it's like, I think also, look, dude, if you're saying we're going into the midterms where Trump's about to lose, this is, we've had six years of Trump presidency. We're going into the last two and it's going to be divided government. We're not really expecting like some crazy new thing. If we were going to get something, we would have gotten it by now. We kind of know what we're going to get. In this moment, you look back at it, we're 10 years from 2016 when Donald Trump first ran for president, 11 years, I guess, from 2015 when he first started campaigning. And immigration was his number one issue.

46:32And like, what have the American people gotten since then, Rob, is the biggest influx of immigrants in our nation's history. Are they being deported? No. No, they're not. Like, one of the things that we kind of understand that we're going to settle with here is like all those people who came in under Joe Biden, they're staying in the country. The Trump administration has already abandoned the idea that we're not removing them. We're not even going to come close to even trying. And so it's like, I don't know. It just, like, look, if you want to say in some sense, that's not Trump's fault. It happened under Biden and a little bit in Trump's first term, but the worst of it happened under Biden.

47:17He got it under control in his second term. And there was just no public support for how inhumane the deportations would have been like, fine. You can say that. Okay, Rob, fine. But as you're bragging about your track record on it, to me, the American, I'm supposed to sit here and be like, yeah, woohoo. Like, you know what I mean? Like we, we elected you 10 years ago to stop the bleeding. And then you fucked everything up so bad that you let someone else in there who slid us wide open and we bled out more than we've ever bled before. And now you're bragging about how you got back in and stitched it up again.

47:57It's like, all right. it's just hard to get that except when you're the patient in that scenario it's hard to get that excited about the prospects i guess does that make sense yeah that checks out yeah there you go um all right here let's keep playing finish the job but we can't get it done we can't keep growing our economy we can't secure the border we can't support american workers or and families unless we've got allies in Congress. People like Michael Watley and the great congressional candidates we have gathered here today. And I know the people of North Carolina, we're ready for this fight.

48:37You've made your voices heard before, and I know you're gonna make them heard again in just a couple of months. So my question to everybody here is this. On November the 3rd, are you gonna turn the page on Roy Cooper and the Democrats? Are we going to stand up to the insanity of the left? Are we going to keep fighting for a common sense America First agenda? Are you going to stand with Michael Watley? Are you going to stand with Jennifer Volcom? Are we going to stand with Lori Buckout? And are we going to stand with all of our great North Carolina warriors to keep North Carolina fighting for great American patriots.

49:27I don't know about you guys, but I could feel myself sitting more as you said that. Yeah, dude. I mean, it's like, that's kind of the pitch they've got. The left are crazy. We need, we need Congress to keep going, to keep this unbelievable momentum going. Um, man, I don't know. I, it's just like, he's really, it's, um,

49:57he's just got nothing to work with is the thing, you know, like JD Vance has no, he has no actual red meat, you know, they're, we're, they're two years into this thing. And this should be the point where they've got like real wins that they could show. In fact, do you remember Rob, Rob, if you recall about, let's say, so Donald Trump became president in January of 25 for the second time. And then I, you know, I turned real hard on him in June over the 12 day war. But like, if you remember like a few months in, you remember like three months in, four months into the Trump administration, you remember we'd start going, ah, dude, it sure looks like they're just going to walk away on doing any of these deep state arrests or any of this.

50:43And if you remember the counter at the time was you were like, dude, they were like, dude, give them time. Give them time, man. It's only been three months. You know, dude, you're dude. Cash, tell him, Dan Bungino are working on a big investigation. That's going to bring down the entire FBI apparatus. You think that's going to happen within three months? It's going to take a year, dude. You know, no one's even pretending anymore. I'm even pretending that there's still something in the work in the works. Now you're two years in. You should have some wins to speak of. and all he can really say Rob is like, Hey, but you remember those Democrats?

51:15Like they're fucking crazy. Yeah. Well, it's a little, uh, when you say, Hey, the other side's crazy while the other guy's threatening, uh, obliterating Iran and not walking away from the war. It's really just not that much of a pitch. The other side's crazy. And here's your side. He goes, I don't really care about prices. Have you seen my new ballroom? We're going to totally annihilate a civilization today, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like trans and kids is crazy, but that's pretty crazy too. I mean, this isn't that far off from the South park. What was it? Douche versus the spoiled sandwich or whatever.

51:53I don't remember what it was, but it almost feels like a giant douche versus a turd sandwich. Yeah. So I, it almost like the choice. And by the way, I will not be voting and I'm not rooting for the Democrats, but I'm certainly not showing up for the Republicans. But what it almost feels like is we've got a gambling addict in right now who's down$500 ,000 and the other options, a drug addict. And you can look at it and go, all right, well, the drug addict's going to waste money, but I don't think he's going to lose me$500 ,000. So yeah, the Democrats are crazy and we don't like any of their policies.

52:27And if anything, they actually affect more of my day-to-day life, particularly with culture and censorship and pretending like everything I do and say is mean and that we got to prop up other, you know, the, the, the minorities in this culture and all that shenanigans. But then you look at the other side, you're like, I don't know. You got a war going on that. I absolutely hate. That seems a lot riskier and I'd really like to be out of that. So it just, yeah. And you really seem your leader really seems to be flirting with nuclear weapons. Like, I don't know. He just keeps talking about weapons that have never been seen before in death and destruction.

53:01All this is, I really like that analogy. The gambling addict versus the drug addict is there. I got to like think about that more, but that's really good because also it's part of like, it's like, yeah, dude, like I'd rather live next door to you gambling addict. Obviously you're not all gross like that heroin addict, but like you could take me down 500 grand and one swipe. Like I it's yeah, that's, it's a real concern. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is hex clad and amazing company. You've got to check them out. If you're looking to level up your kitchen game, you've got to go to Hexclad.

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55:07Rob, you said, as of right now, you're, you're just staying home. You're not voting for anyone, but we'll see if that's still true at the end of the podcast. Enter Ted Cruz. Ooh, this guy always wins me over. We're facing a challenging environment. These midterms, I think, are the most consequential midterms of our lifetime. The last two weeks, I think the momentum has been positive. The convention in Texas was a really strong convention. You and I were there together for it. I think the president did a very good job. Look, for this midterm, it's entirely a question of turnout. The left is going to turn out.

55:45They're angry, they're radical, they're extreme, and they're unified by hatred for Donald Trump. The challenge for us is that we need to get conservatives, we need to get libertarians, we need to get moderates, we need to get just ordinary common sense thinking people to show up. If we actually show up and unify, we could have a great election. We could— So you're saying ordinary common sense people are reluctant to support Trump? That's quite the inference there. And then also, yeah, great job getting all the people you alienated out of the party while going, Hey, screw everything. We told you we're going all war.

56:21We don't care. We don't need a big 10, get the hell out of here. You aren't real conservatives. If you don't support this and then turning around two years later and going, Hey, we need all of you guys back here. Well, you didn't do enough to earn our vote. You didn't actually represent us. Dude. I mean, it is, I, when I saw this clip at first where he just goes, is he sitting there breaking down? He goes, well, here's the thing, man. Like, these Democrats are a real threat and they're amped up and they're going to get turnout and our turnouts down. And that's the real problem. And man, what we really need are like the independents and the libertarians and all these guys to show up and vote.

56:56It's like, Oh, really, Rob? Oh, really? Is that what you need? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you needed something from us again now do you that's crazy because we needed something from you um look dude what can you say about that yeah like i mean look you already hit the nail on the head but you're gonna turn around after all of this and then say oh and we need you to come support us like dude we were explicitly told to see ourselves out and guess what i mean some of us left before you told us to see her ourselves out. But the rest of us who were still there took you up on that. Yeah, man. I mean, it's like, dude, there's people gotta like understand that there's you, you, uh, again, I mean, I, I think in fact I was, uh, it was, I wasn't sure when I was on Pierce Morgan with Andrew Wilson, I thought this might be a debate, but he just completely agreed with me on it.

57:58But it's like, even for people like say that, like say Andrew, who's, he's going to argue that we still should be supporting this Republican party, even though this war was a nightmare or whatever, shouldn't have been launched. The thing is like, I don't know. It's just one of those things. You, um, you launch a war of choice, you tie your political legacy to that war and how it goes now. that's just one of those things. And when you launch a war of choice, you really better not go and lose it in humiliating fashion. That's all. I mean, people can spin this in any other way they want to, and I'm sorry, but I also do, um, you know, I, there's something it's so fundamentally dishonest the way Ted Cruz even frames.

58:49It is like, look, we got the wind against us on this one. Obviously it's a midterm year and obviously there's this and that. And people are excited because the media and the left hate Donald Trump so much. And it's like, dude, like there's really, there's really no reason why the Democrats should have come back and won the midterms this year. It didn't have to be like a normal political year. Was 2024 like a normal presidential election? No, the president was weakened at Bernie's and then they put in a cackling retard to replace him. The Democrats got stomped the fuck out. If he had just delivered some wins and just not blown it, this is the thing, Rob, right?

59:26If he had just delivered some wins, if there had been some doge cuts, hey, Rob, it wasn't anything that me or you were hoping for, but they cut$100 billion out of the budget, you know, and there actually were some deep state arrests. They held some people accountable for this and we didn't get all the files, but we got a lot more of the things. And he just didn't get us in any more stupid wars. And they just had it like, you know, had secured the border and had a reasonable deportation policy. And they just, if he had just done that, there would still be some cache in going, Oh, you want to support those crazy Democrats?

1:00:00Like that would look, dude, I, you can, you can feel it, Rob. You still feel it. It's not like that was so long ago. You'd still be like, yeah, remember what they did when they were in charge? They wanted to trans the kids and open the border. Yeah. I don't think we're ever putting them in charge again. That would still have merit to it. But what's the thing that Ted Cruz leaves out of there? Why is it that all the wind is at their back and against ours? Yeah, because you launched a stupid war that nobody wanted and then you fucking lost it. It's a real double whammy. Like, I really do think, especially after the last 25 years, I think even if they had kind of won the war, it might have really hurt because people would recognize the risk that you took and the people that you got killed and why we just should be out of this business but man to go lose the thing that's really hard to recover from rob yeah well it sounds like they're uh starting to get a little desperate as you hear right there at acknowledgement that unless people start getting real motivated and the uh core base widens and is amplified and energized to actually show up for trump they are not winning um which sounds i mean there's just two funny admissions there.

1:01:09One, they need common sense people to get on board, meaning that common sense people are currently not on board. That's kind of a, just a funny thing to admit. And secondly, the base is not energized right now. And we're going to lose a consequential election. And isn't there something about like this, where, so the call is to me that despite everything, like, I don't know, to make it personally for me, despite everything that I'm against that he promised he wouldn't do him just doing it and spitting in our face and insulting personally, my friends for the crime of just standing up for the right thing.

1:01:46And then, you know, just, just behaving in the most like vicious, wicked manner to like people like Joe Kent, I don't know Joe Kent, but like towards someone like Joe Kent, like insulting, like him and his new wife, when his, his, his wife died in a war that Trump kept her in that he served in, like just things I'm supposed to ignore all that. I'm supposed to hold my nose and come out now and support this thing still because, man, the Democrats are just so mean. They're so scary. Right. Just got to do this to keep the Democrats out of power. Meanwhile, Donald Trump himself says he doesn't even think about it and he doesn't even care about it.

1:02:25Isn't there some weird kind of contradiction between those two positions there, Rob? That like Trump himself is going, oh, I don't even care, dude. I don't give a shit. I'm not going to do something so that the Republicans win and the Democrats don't. Whatever. It's like, I don't know, dude. Those of us who I don't know, I'm not claiming that this, you know, like Michael Knoll said to me once when we were on Pierce Ben Shapiro's guy, he said to me once on Pierce Morgan show in his snarky little way. This is the type of thing he does says snarky things that aren't real points, but they sound good.

1:03:00Uh, but he goes, he goes, you know, Dave, your libertarian positions, uh, have, have created a very popular podcast for yourself, but they did not get you elected president. You know, like, in other words, like, you know, libertarians are, you guys are just a little part of the coalition. You're not the whole thing. And it's like, that's true. Um, but man, the, the people who were against this type of shit, I think made up enough of the coalition that it is going to wreck you guys. And so anyway, yeah, I guess, Rob, what is the answer here? The answer to Ted Cruz is that like, no, none of us are coming out.

1:03:35None of us are coming out. You don't have like, see how that works. When you're running on no new wars, you can get a coalition with all of that. But when you're running on, hey, just get over the fact that we ran on no new wars and then launched a real dumb one. You can't get us to coalition with you. there's gotta be um there there's gotta be this is the way it is and this is why you know weirdly like people think in some sense and i never really like voted for president like that before but um people think in some weird sense like oh you voted for trump but now you're criticizing trump and that's some type of contradiction but to me it's like if you're ever gonna vote for a political party, especially if you're someone kind of outside of the two party, like if you're not just a partisan, if you're ever going to vote for one party, well, then you got to also withhold your vote or vote against them when they fuck up.

1:04:30Otherwise it doesn't mean anything. Otherwise you might as well just give them a blank check to do whatever they want. And if you do that, they will fight a war for Israel for some reason, every fucking time. Not exactly sure why that's always the thing they do. Um, but anyway, yeah. So sorry, Ted, we will not be coming out for you. You cannot count on libertarians and droves to save the Republicans in the midterms. I have a feeling you guys are going down. I will, I guess I should add the caveat that like, you never know the Democrats can fucking, they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

1:05:01Like man, they are crazy and unlikable. Maybe they'll find a way, but I don't know, Rob, I think the Republicans are in big trouble in the next few weeks. If you ask me. Yeah. I'm not following any of the individual elections enough to know who's running against who and how much of a mess the Democrat is. Um, but just my overall flavor of where the country is, is that it'd be mighty surprising if Republicans held, uh, the house and Senate, but I'm not, I'm not in the loop on local. I think they're losing the house for sure. And, and likely the Senate as well, but we will say, all right, that's our episode for today.

1:05:33Catch you guys tomorrow with a brand new one. Peace.

1:05:48Thank you so much.