"A VERY Valuable Asset" Epstein's Links To Mossad | Bassem Youssef vs Alan Dershowitz

26:55You're just lying. And every single time. You're just lying. I challenge you to defend. He wants money. I challenge you to defend your statement that he got 18 months. Stop interrupting me, Mr. Dershowitz. You're just lying. You're just lying. And got him the deal of the century. Two women accused you under oath. You settled for nearly a million dollars. Innocent men don't pay. Wait, wait, wait. That's another lie. Not a penny. Guilty men with good lawyers. You're lying. You're defaming me. You are the good lawyers. What does that mean to you? You are now going to be sued. You have spent 50 years defending rapists, killers, and every time you attack the woman you come forward, you are a civil libertarian.

27:34You're not a civil libertarian. You're not a civil libertarian. You are defending the innocent. You are defending the innocent. You are a professional gaslighter. I didn't pay$1.20. That's a lie. Bassem, you've spoken for a long time. Okay, Bassem, you've made it. Bassem, you've spoken for a long time. Bassem, you've spoken for a long time. You've made a number of allegations. There is going to be, I can tell you right now, I am going to. But he keeps interrupting me, Pierce. I didn't interrupt him. Okay, I am going to make it very clear. But he shouldn't be interrupting me. I'm going to make it very clear.

28:07I'm going to make it very clear. I'm filing a lawsuit. immediately I'm instructing my lawyers to file a lawsuit against him for saying I paid a million dollars. What happened is a woman falsely accused me. She admitted she may have mistaken me and confused me for somebody else. She dropped all of her charges. Not a single penny was paid. Nothing. And it's all in the agreement. All a matter of court record. You saying that I paid A million dollars is going to result in you having to pay me many millions of dollars. What did you say? This is from the New Yorker. Did the New Yorker never say anything like that?

28:50You know, you're such a liar. You know, I thought you were a comedian. I thought at least you'd be funny. You're just a liar. You're just somebody who is prepared to make any kind of anti-Semitic, anti-Israel statement. Oh, anti-Semitic. Please stop with that, Mr. Dershevis. I want you to justify the million. I want you to justify that I paid a million dollars. I want you to justify that. Will you justify it? Will you justify that I paid a million dollars? Where do you get that piece of nonsense? Where did you make that up? The New Yorker, sir. You said Hamas is not a terrorist organization? If you want to sue someone, sue the New Yorker.

29:25You show me the New Yorker and I'll pay you a million dollars. You're a liar. The New Yorker didn't print that. You're lying. Why don't we take your time out now? Go online, get the New Yorker, and show the people that are listening, the good people, the New Yorker. You're lying through your teeth. You're a despicable liar, and if you said it under oath, you'd be a perjurer. There is no truth to what you've said, period, and I'm going to sue you. Oh, come on. Are you doing, is that what you do? Finally, I shut him up. No, I didn't shut up. You're just saying, yes. You have like cutting me. Mr.

30:03Allen, you went from I never got a massage on Epstein to I got a massage from a 50-year-old Russian woman named Olga. But I kept my underwear on. My wife and I both received therapeutic. I received a neck massage back in the 1990s. I have never received an erotic massage in my life. I have never told a misstatement about this. And I want you to show everybody the New Yorker, The claim that the New Yorker said I paid a million dollars. It's an outright lie. You can look it up right now while we're talking. Show it to the people. Show them what you say the New Yorker said. I'm waiting. I'm waiting.

30:43Look it up. Yeah, I'm looking at right now. It is called the, for people to search it. Let's see it. Let's see it. Everybody can see it. It's called Alan Dershowitz, Devin's Advocate. Maybe it will mitigate your damages. By Coney Brock, July 29, 2019. You can read there. It's there. Read me the quote. Read me the quote about a million dollars. You can't find it because it's not there because you made it up and you're a despicable liar. And you're going to be sued. And if you want to mitigate your damages, then you'll show me the New Yorker. But you're not going to show me the New Yorker because everybody out there is going to look you in the eye and say, you lied on international television about Dershowitz paying a million dollars and the New Yorker saying it.

31:29It is false, categorically false. I'm calling you a liar. You can sue me for defamation. And if you can produce the New Yorker article, you'll win that case. But you can't because it doesn't exist. No, sir. I can read it to you right now. I mean, it's there. Yeah, read it to me right now. Read it to me. Let's hear it. OK. Do you have a second? I have more than a second. I have all the time you want. Read me a New Yorker statement that says, I paid a million dollars to the woman who accused me falsely and who admitted that she may have misidentified me with somebody else. You read me that right now.

32:07Yeah, yeah. Silence. Silence. Dude, it's a big article. Profound silence. I do. Stop it. Find me the relevant point. Find it for me. We have all the time in the world. Find it for me. Let's go. Find it for me. You can look it up. Google has, we would say, Dershowitz a million dollars. Oh, here it is. Here it is. We caught you. In 2015, when Jeffrey's allegation against Gislemmer and Epstein, okay. Just before a trial was to begin in May 2019, the amount was undisclosed, but Jeffrey reportedly received a multimillion-dollar settlement. The allegation went to... Who did? Wait, dude. Jeffrey. Now, let's go.

32:46Veronica.

32:49So you said I paid a million dollars to the woman who accused me falsely. I want you to quote that from The New Yorker. And if you can't, admit you're a liar. Say no. Silence. Profound silence. Dude, stop it. Stop. Guilty silence. Dude, it is. Guys. Yes, hear this. No, it isn't. No, it isn't. You're lying. So here is, in April 2016, the case settled. There was no such set with the press reported that the agreement in case. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The press reported that the agreement included a financial arrangement implying that Jeffrey's team had paid it.

33:35In fact, Dershowitz Insurance Company had paid Jeffrey's lawyers in negotiation. The parties has discussed a figure of nearly a million dollars. We're talking about a different case. We're talking about the woman who accused me.

33:53But you know it. A, you know it. B, this had nothing to do with Virginia. This had nothing to do with the woman who accused me. This was a lawsuit between lawyers, and it had nothing to do with this accusation. Zero. You made up the whole story. Why would your insurance company pay the lawyers? They also paid me. There was a mutual settlement where both sides paid sums to each other. Each of us received payments covering our legal fees. And this was about lawyers. This was not about any accusation against me. I invite everybody to go to read the New Yorker article and see the pattern of lying that Mr.

34:41Dishwitz has done over the years. So, all right, let me get involved now. Now you're going to add to the lawsuit. All right, let me say something now. Let's get back to the merits. We know he's a liar. We know he's not a funny comedian. Come on, liar, anti-Semitic. It's the same thing. All right, let me pull it back to the bigger picture. Why would I believe you if you have lied many times? Let me pull it back. Let me pull it back. Alan, I want to just talk to you about something you said earlier, because there's been a bit of confusion about this, I think, in the public domain. You said in the end that the settlement that Epstein made pertained to a 21-year-old and a 17-year-old.

35:19But many of the contemporaneous reports about this settlement refer to a 14-year-old girl who Epstein had paid for a massage at his mansion. That was not part of the case. That was not part of the case. The indictment... But that precipitated the investigation, right? Let me tell you what happened. A 14-year-old girl was heard over the phone talking to her, another friend, about whether or not she could get a massage from an older man. That precipitated the investigation. But the investigation culminated not in any kind of an indictment regarding that 14-year-old. There was no evidence of it. And so, in the end, the 14-year-old claim disappeared.

36:07The only evidence that they were able to prove to get a grand jury indictment was a 17-year-old and 10-month person and a woman in her 20s, an adult who has agency. Both of them in the indictment were called prostitutes. And he was indicted for paying money to soliciting two prostitutes, one of whom was 17 years old and 10 months. The 14-year-old was never part of the indictment in the case. But, Alan, to be clear, the 17-year-old was a legal miner. Of course, and that's why he pleaded guilty to it and went to jail for it. He deserved to go to jail for a 17-and-10-month-old. Do you believe... Yeah.

36:50So I interviewed one of the legal team on behalf of some of these girls involved in that case who said that he was offended about the characterisation of any miner as a prostitute. Well, then he should complain to the prosecution. It's what the prosecution put in the indictment. We didn't write the indictment. The prosecution put it in the indictment. They did an investigation. They found out that these were young women who were coming for pay, were being paid money to give massages. They defined that as prostitution. It wasn't us who did that. That was the prosecutors who did that. So that's all he had to do to this day.

37:32But when you say he wasn't convicted... OK, but when you say he wasn't convicted as a paedophile, he was, though. If you have... No, no, no. If you do a deal that involves a minor... Look, you can quibble over words, but medical definition of paedophile... Well, no, it's a legal definition, isn't it? He pleaded... No, no, no, that's not the legal definition. The legal definition is underage. The word paedophile is never used legally for anybody who's 17 and 10 months. But we're quibbling. He pleaded guilty to 17 and 10 months. He was guilty of that. That is a despicable, terrible thing. He may have had sex with even younger people, but he was never convicted of that.

38:10He was never charged with that. He probably would have been charged with it had he stayed alive, but he wasn't. But let's stick to the facts. He pleaded guilty only to two charges of soliciting a 17, 10-month-old and an above-age person for prostitution. That's what the state charged him with. That's what he pleaded guilty to. That's what the federal government agreed would be the deal that would terminate the federal prosecution. That's what happened. He hated me for that deal. If you have any sexual relations with a minor... Alan, Alan, if you have sexual relations with a minor, you're a pedophile.

38:50No, well, I don't want to fight with that because you can call him whatever you want. That's fine. You call him a pedophile. But no medical doctor, no psychologist will tell you that a 17-year-old, 10-month woman who's taking money to give massages is subject to the other person being called a pedophile. But let's not get into that. Call him a pedophile. That's fine. He pleaded guilty to charges of having sex for money with a minor. Yes, he did that. And he did much worse than that. And he was a despicable human being who deserves no pity whatsoever. But that doesn't give anybody license to simply lie about what happened.

39:29For example, one of the papers in Israel when talking about Ayyad Barak said he was convicted of having sex with a 14-year-old. No, he wasn't. He was investigated for that. And the investigation terminated with no prosecution for a 14-year-old. Did he have sex with a 14-year-old? I have no idea. Maybe the prosecution has an idea. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. But it's not true that he was convicted of that. NEVER. SO WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT, ALLEN DERSHWITZ, NOW, OF WHAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN DID? AND WHY IS IT THAT NO REALLY HIGH-PROFILE AMERICAN MEN IN PARTICULAR HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WAS GOING ON?

40:12WELL, ONE NAME HAS BEEN. ONE OF THE NAMES THAT WAS RECENTLY DISCLOSED BY Congress people yesterday was Leslie Wexner. And I think it's very appropriate to investigate Leslie Wexner. He went back to Jeffrey Epstein many, many, many years. Let me give you my assessment of what happened. Look, there were real victims, horrible victims, people who should never, never have been put through this, people who are underage. And I have tremendous compassion for these victims. But then there's another category of people, women who are 25, who came back over and over again and received$150,$200. Then they went and they recruited 14 and 15-year-olds for Epstein, and they were paid to recruit for Epstein.

40:55These people should also be investigated. They may have been victims, but they were also perpetrators. It's a lot grayer than the black and white of victimization and survivalization and all of that. It's much more complex than that. But there's no justifying what Epstein did. It was terrible. It was awful. I wish I had never laid eyes on that SOB. He's an awful, awful human being. That's the job of a criminal defense lawyer to defend and get the best deal. I thought I got the best deal. He thought I got a terrible deal. Bassem Yusuf, what is your wider view about the Epstein scandal and the, so far, very limited accountability for other people involved?

41:39Well, you see, I'm actually like the FBI just dumped millions of unredacted or redacted Epstein files on the public and said, you know what? Here you go. Have fun. It's like a scavenger hunt. Like you expect like it's kind of like a TikTok challenge. Can you find a pedophile? You have the FBI, you have the DOJ, you have unlimited resources, unlimited power, unlimited budgets. This is the biggest sex trafficking scandal in modern history. Billionaires, politicians, royalty, and all hanging out on pedophile island. And the U.S. government responds, like, hey, guys, let the Internet figure it out.

42:18What is this? A group project? Are you serious? You want me to do your job? You want some guy on Reddit cross-referencing flight logs at 2 a.m. while he's eating Cheetos? You want TikTokers playing a game of Clue? Hey, it was Prince Andrew. And it's having a massage with the undergirl. What is this? It is not the job of private citizens to figure out clues. I don't understand. Is the FBI too busy to do their job? Here's what should have happened. They should have released a name. They should have arrested predators. They should have hold the trials. you know, like a functioning justice system, right?

42:57But no, instead you give us 4 million trillion documents with no index, no categorization, redactions everywhere, then say, hey, good luck with that, guys. Like, let us know if you find anything. Wallahi azim, not even a third world country dictatorship would do that to us. In third world countries, they would release nothing. Keep us in the dark, you know, like a self-respected dictatorship. But this, like this choose your own adventure bullshit, this like figure it out on your own, what kind of service is this? Like, I mean, the government takes half of my money so I can do its job and then sends the other half to Israel.

43:34I mean, this is just like dysfunctional, you know? And I'm just like, you know, and my wider view of this, you know, my first time I appeared with you, Pierce, I talked about like how Israel is like a narcissistic psychopath and it went viral because people felt it. Because you see, narcissists don't just lie to you. They create an entire alternate reality and pull you into it. That's why it's called the narcissist shared reality. The narcissist builds an alternate, highly controlled reality and pulls other people into it. And in that false reality, the narcissists are always, you know, they're special.

44:08They're misunderstood. They are victimized. And Israel does this on a national level for decades, right? They have told us we're the victim. We have no choice. It's self-defense, you know. And in the same thing now with Epstein, it's a shared reality. Oh, maybe he's a Russian spy. Maybe he is. It's like it's right in front of our eyes. And we have to go through these like mental gymnastics and figure it out. It's right there. Nothing is gray, Mr. Dershowitz. Nothing is gray. Genocide is not gray. Sex trafficking is not gray. I agree with you. I agree with you. And it wasn't committed. Genocide is what was committed.

44:41I understand that you are a lawyer. What's committed in parts of Africa. But, sir, I am. was committed many times. Let Alan respond. Why do you keep cutting me off? Let Alan respond. No, no, let Alan respond. First of all, let's be very clear. Genocide has a particular definition. Okay, you know what? I can just, like, log out because I haven't had, like, a couple minutes to talk with you. You're allowing me to respond, please. Genocide is fighting a war. No, you didn't. You responded. It's my turn to speak and you keep cutting me off. Let me respond, please. This is not a courtroom, Mr. Derjewicz.

45:09Are you going to let me respond? No, you didn't let me respond. So here's the point. Ah, okay. You're not going to let me respond. You know what? This is just like... Let me respond. No! I will not let you respond because he didn't let me talk. You're not going to let me respond. You're not going to let me respond. And I will not let me talk. It's just like Charlottesville at this point. So we can't continue then. If he won't let me talk, we can't continue. You are not letting me talk. If he wants to filibuster me by his lies, I let you talk. Now he wants... Now the man who runs this show wants to give me an opportunity to respond.

45:42Will you give me an opportunity to respond? Let me explain to you what genocide means. Genocide is the willful killing of an entire population in order to wipe out the population. The way the Germans and the Nazis took little babies from the Isle of Rhodes, put them on trains, transported them to the gas chambers to kill them, unrelated to war efforts. Genocide is not dropping an atomic bomb in Hiroshima. It's not bombing Berlin. It's not bombing Japan. And it's not what Israel did in Gaza when Hamas hid behind civilians. And Israel, notwithstanding that, they had the best ratio of combatants to civilians of any war in recent times.

46:25Even if you take all the Hamas figures, it's less than 3 to 1, probably closer to 1 to 1. At worst, it's 2 to 1. Most wars, it's 10 to 1 or 8 to 1. So there's not even a plausible claim of genocide. Only anti-Semites and people who are willing to engage in a blood libel are prepared to compare what Israel did defending itself in Gaza with what Nazis did in Germany, killing 6 million Jews, Roma people, people from all countries. Those were genocide. What the Muslims did in Turkey, killing the Armenians, that was genocide. What's going on now in Syria against the Kurdish people, that's genocide.

47:08These aren't war fighting defenses. That's genocide. But when a country tries to defend its civilians by killing terrorists who are hiding behind civilians and civilians die, you could call it a lot of things. But the one thing you cannot call it is genocide and maintain your credibility as a decent human being. That is a bloodline to call it genocide. Okay. All right. You both made your... I didn't make any points. I really didn't make any points. I'm going to come to you, Bassem, for the... Bassem, I will come to you to respond. I just want to point out that on the Epstein scandal, what is quite telling is that the prediction markets, which people follow closely these days, Polymarket asked, will anyone be jailed over the Epstein disclosures?

47:55It reached a high of 48 % at the beginning of the month, but it's now down to just 17%. And the Trump administration did, of course, promise, including on this show, that we'd see many prosecutions. It does seem quite extraordinary that now it's looking more and more likely that nobody will be jailed other than a woman, Ghislaine Maxwell. Okay, Basim, you can have a final response to... Well, we need to see it, I think. Basim, your final response to... I'd like to see it too. I'd like to see a complete thorough investigation. Anybody who committed crimes, including falsely accusing people of crimes, should be put in jail.

48:35and anybody who committed crimes, pedophilia or anything else like it, should be put in jail. And I hope they are. Okay. On that, we're all agreed. Bassam, final word to you. I think that Epstein Island showed us that in order to be powerful, you need first to be compromised. And as long as you're compromised, only then you can stay powerful. This is the conclusion of all of this. None of these people go to jail. There will be like a couple of fall guys. I don't know, Peter Attea, he will lose his thing. All of this, it's important. But the billionaires, the people in power, they will be untouchable.

49:12We will not see a single person that's going to go behind bar unless he's not protected. But they have to be guilty. Mr. Dershowitz, why are you people... Dude, what? I can't even talk about you. Why are you... It's just like, it's so frustrating. I care about innocent people being prosecuted. I care about McCarthyism. I don't want to see a return of McCarthyism. I'm sorry, what did I just say? What did I just say? How do we know if there are billionaires who are involved? If there are, let's name them. Let's get the evidence and let's prosecute them and let's put them in jail. But not on the basis of McCarthyism, not on the basis of guilt by association.

49:53Let's do it on the basis of real evidence. I'm in favor of that. You and I agree with that. No one will be punished and no one will go to jail and these people will go. So when these files have got released, even with all of these redactions, the one thing that should have been done, that all of these people should be now be at least investigated. We didn't even you have like an FBI director and you have. Thank you. You have an FBI director who who came out and said there is no sex trafficking and the email proved otherwise. You have all the people. There is nothing. And then the emails proved otherwise.

50:24And you have like the FBI director, Cash Vettel, who said once America needs to wake up and prioritize Israel. Don Bongino, second man in the FBI, said, like, Israel is very close to my heart. How do you expect truth from these people? I think, I mean, they are all, like, working for a different master and they're not working for the American people. So I really don't expect anything. None of these people will see a day of investigation, a day of jail. All I know, OK, all I know is... And the full time will be people who are useless or unimportant. Yeah, I kind of agree with you, Basim. I do think that, unfortunately, the Trump administration, before and after the election, made it clear they were going to be totally transparent.

51:05All the files were going to get released. We've now had 3 million heavily redacted files released, and there's apparently over 3 million more, which are never going to see the light of day. That is not transparency. And that is why the conspiracy theories rage. They should. I want everything out. Yeah, but that's part of the problem, man. And if no rich, powerful people in the end are made remotely accountable, people will assume they are names that were redacted or never published. Yeah, but unless you publish the files, they can hide behind the redactions and the lack of publication. Every name should be published, including the name of those who accuse them, so that if there's a false accusation, the people who have been accused can confront their accusers.

51:50Otherwise, it's McCarthyism. That's why from day one, I wanted no redactions, I want everything out there. The only redaction should be for minors, people below the age of consent. OK, we're going to leave it there. I appreciate you both coming on and debating this. And I appreciate that. Thanks for having me. You're not going to agree about much. I'm grateful for the debate. Thank you very much. Oh, by the way, Pierce, Pierce, Mr. Ryan Grimm, the one that you have hosted in the beginning of the show. First of all, I'm a huge fan of Mr. Ryan Grimm. And as a matter of fact, I want to remind you of something.

52:21When I went to you in London a year and a half ago, I brought up to you the fact that Bill Clinton was compromised when Netanyahu told you that we have the tapes of Monica Lewinsky. And at that time, you called me stupid, conspiracy theorist, and you told me this is ridiculous. Mr. Ryan Grimm has made a complete investigation about this. So please, if you would like, host him again so we can tell you how Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was actually a Mossad operation. well you know what uh here's what i would say in response to that after all sir have you no shame after all share have you no shame i mean it's it's you have no shame none at all you're you're accusing you're accusing an innocent young girl monica lewinsky you're accusing her of being complicit with clinton in some kind of a mossad scheme you have no credibility that's enough Check the Times of Israel and check the book that was written by an Israeli author about this.

53:26Your people are actually saying that and wrote stuff about that, sir. OK, as I said in a previous panel, actually, it's got to the stage with the Epstein scandal... It's got to the stage with the Epstein scandal where I would pretty much entertain the possibility of any conspiracy theory being true, because so many that were dismissed as conspiracy theories have emerged as having credibility. But we shall see. There's a lot more still to pour over. We shall see. Thank you both very much. We shall see. Let's make sure there's evidence of everything. Evidence. That's the key. Let's see the evidence.

54:00Let's see the evidence. But thank you both very much. That's what I want to see. I want to see all the evidence. Thank you. OK. We're going to leave it there. Thank you. Piers Morgan, our sense that he's proudly independent, the only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.