"ALL He Does Is Bash Muslims!" Tommy Robinson & Palestine Rallies ANGER Piers Morgan Panel

14:51Piers Morgan:a giant sausage, all he does on social media is bash Muslims and Islam. That's his shtick. He doesn't bash Muslims, he bashes the religion. He literally had people on stage saying, get rid of all Islam from Britain. That means kicking every Muslim out. No, from Parliament. He never said from Britain. He said from Parliament. There were speakers saying, get rid of Islam from this country. Well, if you're referring to the women, she said Parliament, and this is a Christian country. So let me ask you, there are five million Muslims in this country. Yes. Should they be allowed to stay? Of course they can, as long as they abide by Christian customs and don't force their religion on us.

15:24The same way if I go to Dubai, I would not force my Christian values.

15:27Piers Morgan:So when you had a guy called Ryan Williams performing with bacon on his shoulders and his ex-account said, my mission is to inflict maximum damage on Islam. We've got a picture of it here. What do you feel about that? I personally feel as though he should be free to do whatever he wants and you have to be very fragile to get upset about someone putting bacon on a T-shirt. Do you drink when you go to Dubai? but if I was to, I wouldn't drink because I respect people's customs. Would you wear a bikini? No, I wouldn't. What would you wear if you went to Dubai? Well, let me go to the only Muslim member of the panel today, which is Cenk Yuga.

16:00Piers Morgan:Cenk, welcome back to Uncensored. I mean, you've got a guy there on stage with bacon on his shoulder who says his mission is to inflict maximum damage on Islam. And there was constant anti-Islam, anti-Muslim rhetoric during this rally. And if you look at Tommy Robinson's social media feed, it is a relentless attack specifically against Islam and Muslims. He pretends he's not anti-Muslim, but he constantly attacks the religion of Islam. So what's your view of this, Cenk? It's not Muslims, it's just Islam. Yeah. So, look, I view it in two different ways. And I grew up Muslim, but I'm atheist now.

16:43So, you know, I'm not sure that I'm going to be able to speak effectively enough for Muslims. But like the bacon on the shoulder and the burqa skit, I don't care about at all. So, oh, wow, you showed a piece of bacon. It's not like Muslims don't know bacon exists. So I'm not offended by that at all. On the other hand, when they start talking about kicking out Muslims from even from parliament, why? Why should Muslims not serve in parliament? Well, that's obviously and directly racist and bigoted. uh so and and to me the biggest problems peers are the hypocrisy uh you're right of course if they said one percent of this uh about jews they'd probably literally be imprisoned in britain and it shows you the disparity in power that the two different groups have and uh most importantly a lot of this hatred toward muslims are driven by israeli propaganda they want uh the british and the americans to hate muslims so that they'll finance the wars against israel's muslim neighbors So those are massive problems.

17:41And we've got to root out the people that are in our government and our media that serve foreign countries like Israel and purposely spread bigotry and hatred. Silly skits about bacon I could care less about. And by the way, if we have the same rules, they're allowed to offend Muslims, but we're also allowed to offend Israel. Great. But I'm coming to London in a couple of weeks, as you know, Piers, and I intend to greatly offend Israel. I don't know if I'll be arrested over there. You know, they have some absurd laws in England. my nephew Hassan Piker is coming with me and he might be arrested because some pro-Israel people think that they can say anything they want about Muslims but the minute you touch Israel not even Judaism they think you should be arrested obviously that kind of double standard is unacceptable and is the you know refuge of cowards.

18:27Piers Morgan:Okay let's bring in Don Keith welcome to Uncensored. Thank you for having me. You were banned from attending the Tommy Robinson March. Were you given any specific reason why? I was not given any reason. The notice I got said that the government doesn't have to give you a reason. They don't always give you a reason. I was shocked by it because really, I guess my only crime was being associated with Tommy Robinson and speaking out against things like Islam. Yeah. I mean, can you think of anything that you have done or said which would warrant you being denied access to the United Kingdom? him? I've never even I've never committed a crime in my life.

19:06Piers Morgan:I've never incited violence. I've been to the UK. I've attended every one of these UTK rallies in the past. I think when from the time it started two years ago, there's been five or six. I've attended every single one. I've marched in every single one. I've never called for violence. So yeah, I'm just baffled as to why I would be banned from a country just for expressing an opinion. I'm being associated with Tommy Robinson. Would you categorize yourself as far right? Absolutely not. What is far right? Who gets to define what far right? To me, the only thing that's far right, apparently, is if you disagree with any of Labour's policies or any left-wing policies that makes you far right.

19:45Piers Morgan:The deciders of what's far right and what's hate speech and things like that are the people in power. That's why Britain is in such dire straits right now with their speech, because they don't have a constitution set in stone that protects their speech rights and their free expression. All they have is a litany of different court precedents and legal precedents that establish what can or cannot be free speech, and that's dictated by the party in power, which means they can change like the wind. That's not really free speech. Britain's never really had free speech. To me, they need some sort of constitution set in stone that protects it.

20:18Piers Morgan:Do you believe that Muslims should be allowed in the UK parliament? Well, I'm not a British citizen. I don't like to have... But the problem with Islam, and the problem of Muslims in Parliament, is Islam itself and what it commands of Muslims. They must always make policies and legislation to protect Islam. It's Islam first and foremost. It's never a separation of church and state. Well, they couldn't do that as part of the UK Parliament because they'd be subjected to UK law. So that's an irrelevance. well they would do their their damnedest to try if you look at what's happening now you don't you don't even really need muscle month members in parliament to make change in your country if you see what's happening all around your country you don't even need muscle members in parliament all you need is um key figures in local uh suburbs uh around in and around london city councils mayors people who can affect change locally and by caveat you can affect an entire nation that's That's what we see happening in Great Britain right now.

21:18Piers Morgan:You don't need Parliament. You don't need the Prime Minister to be Muslim. All you need is mayors like Sadiq Khan, who can trickle down his policies to all the little boroughs. But interestingly, I saw Sadiq Khan today, funny enough, at the Chelsea Flower Show, and we had a nice chat. And Sadiq Khan is actually a very moderate Muslim. There's no evidence of him ever forcing any kind of extreme Muslim views or laws down on anybody. That's why he's been re-elected twice. and is one of the most successful mayors in London history. And yet he is portrayed in America as some kind of demonic Islamist extremist.

21:55Piers Morgan:And the same way that our free speech is completely mischaracterised by Americans. You know, a lot of Americans believe that 12 ,000 people were arrested in 2023 for social media posts. It's complete nonsense. Of the 12 ,000 arrests... Nonviolent speech offences. Well, of the 12 ,000 arrests that were made, well, I'll tell you the reality. Of the 12 ,000 arrests that were made, 1 ,000 resulted in any convictions. And the vast majority of those were for things like stalking, domestic harassment, abusive ex-partners, incessantly sending threats, intimidating victims, credible violent threats, digital death threats, bomb hoaxes, threats of physical violence.

22:39One of them was me. And one of them was Ava, so Ava. No, a hate speech. One of them was a man who had used hate speech online to say he was going to set my family on fire. So one of those arrests was a man who did that to me. Now, if you don't think that he should have been arrested, he should just be allowed to say he's going to set my family on fire, then we're on two different sides of the coin, clearly.

22:58Piers Morgan:Well, the point, Don, before you answer, the point I'm making is there is a weird mischaracterisation, I believe, of my country, right, which is that we're being overrun and overtaken by Muslims. Sharia courts are everywhere. where they're ruling the roost and so on. None of this is actually true, right? I mean - You've got about 85 Sharia courts in Britain. They have no legal standing in the UK. I know you were gonna say that. They do not have legal standing per se. However, if you are a young woman - No, it's not full stop. If you are a young woman in Islam, if you are a young woman, you are forced to adhere to the decisions these courts make within your religion.

23:37Piers Morgan:If not, then you will be castigated by your family and ostracized by your family. You could be even subject to things like honor killings, depending on the situation. There have been young ladies in Britain and other Western countries. You can shake your head all you want, but it's happened. A father recently tried to strangle his daughter in an honor killing. And I can't remember which Western country it was. But when these girls don't adhere to these laws or these decisions by these Sharia courts, and they can be subject to penalties within their own family. So while it may not be legal in the UK's eyes, these young girls are pressured by these courts.

24:10Piers Morgan:and it's them, as we know, Islam doesn't care about women. We know what Islam thinks about women. Do you think there's ever been, is there any evidence, do you think, in America, for example, of any violence towards young women who may have had an abortion, who come from a very, very strong Christian conservative family, for example? Because I can tell you there have been, but do you care about that? Or is your interest... Of course. Well, is your interest... Okay, that's fair enough. So I want to have a reasonable discussion. Sure. So your view would apply to any religion where the religious belief leads to any form of intimidation or harassment or violence towards women, for example?

24:48Piers Morgan:Of course. Of course. I do believe in protecting women. I believe in protecting any fragile human being. That's why I'm anti-abortion. That's why I'm pro-life. I think women, I think children, I think unborn babies should be protected to whatever extreme is necessary. And do you believe, Don, because I know you were, when Tommy Robinson was going through some of his court issues, you were there in court in the UK. Do you believe, as Tommy Robinson likes Americans to believe, that he has been a victim of suppression of his free speech and the only reason he's been put in prison is because of that?

25:26Piers Morgan:I 100 % believe that Tommy Robinson is a politically targeted figure, 100 % whether it be because of his free speech or to prevent him from speaking out, because we know that the Muslim electorate is very important in Britain. They can swing an election. That's why the members in parliament and other people in the establishment, they want to silence Tommy Robinson at all costs. You look what they did for the... I know all about the Silence movie. He wasn't... You know, he found a... Well, the Silence movie, let's be clear. Let's be crystal clear about this. There's a reason Tommy Robinson won't come on this show.

26:02Piers Morgan:And the simple reason is he knows I would ask him about the silenced movie and why he was in contempt of court and why he went back to prison. And it's because he tells a lot of lies in the silenced movie that were exposed as lies. Well, hang on, let me finish. There was, as you remember, a libel action that was taken, which he lost. He had to pay£100 ,000 to a young Syrian boy who he defamed with egregious lies. He then repeated all the lies in this film he made called Silence. which he talks about very openly when he's in America. You know where he doesn't talk about this? Here, with people like me.

26:39Piers Morgan:I've heard him talk about it several times. I've heard him talk about it on stage. But he never gets challenged. Don, here's my point. He never gets challenged directly about all the lies he tells in silence. The reason he got in prison was because of the breach of contempt of court law here, which was if you repeat the lies for which you've just lost a libel action and paid damages to this family, if you do that again, you will go back to prison. That is what he did. It had nothing to do with free speech. Let me interject. But what was the lies? Okay, as far as silence, I know that you love to get on here and tell that Tommy Robinson told lies about silence.

27:12Piers Morgan:That's not the case. He did. Everything told in silence was from the perspective... No, no, no, no. Oh, yeah. One judge overrode five witnesses. See, now what you're doing, you're now repeating... He punched a twill. You're now repeating defamity... I'm repeating what the witnesses... I would be careful. I'm repeating what the witnesses... I'm repeating what the witnesses... You are repeating... No, no. I've read every word of that whole case. Those people said it for decoration. Your problem is you have a vendetta against Tommy Robinson because the last time he was on his show, he gave you a shellacking and you've never forgiven him for it.

27:41Piers Morgan:No, he didn't. Yes, he did. He waved around the trial like a silly little boy and I held him to account for it. Look at the clips, man. Look at the clips. Here's the thing. If your hero, Tommy, is so courageous and so fierce... He's not my hero. He's my friend, but he is a champion to the British people. My friend Tommy, all he has to do is sit here in this desk opposite me and face the same questions. But you know why he's ducking me? Because he knows if he repeats the bullshit he spews to you guys that you all seem to swallow, he's going back to prison. I'm challenging you right now. You cannot answer to me.

28:13Piers Morgan:You cannot tell me how you know, why you think it was a lie because one judge said that the five people that he brought to court and said this Syrian boy did all these things. There was no evidence. The Fabian Society, the liberal Fabian Society judge says, no, all of these witnesses are lying. You're now defaming the judge. It seems a really extraordinary thing. Cenk, here's the problem with this. Tommy Robinson wields an extraordinarily unhealthy... I live in a free country. Well, I can't, Don. I've just given you free speech to have your rant. It's fine. I don't agree with you. We can agree to disagree.

28:45Piers Morgan:You agree, right? Yeah, for sure. You believe in free speech, so calm down. So, Cenk, here's the issue. Tommy Robinson wields an extraordinarily odd influence to the conservative right in America, who seem to believe all the stuff he comes out with. And in the process, he paints this picture of Britain, which I simply don't recognise. I live here. I walk around the street, despite what some American guests have said. I go to football matches with real British people every week. I'll be at one tonight with 60 ,000, mainly working-class British people. I don't recognise. and it'll be full of people from all walks of life, black, white, Muslim, Jewish, Christian.

29:26Piers Morgan:And you know what? It's all fine. There's no Muslim takeover. The game won't be stopped halfway through because the Muslims have decided in a Sharia court that we're not allowed to play. This is all horse shit. Jack, your thoughts. Yeah, it's fine. 250 ,000 of your women are being raped by Muslim, but it's OK. It's fine. Again, an utterly ridiculous statement. Go to Birmingham, go to Manchester. Utterly ridiculous statement. As I've said repeatedly, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in the UK. That was Lord Malcolm Pearson in Parliament. Don Keith, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in my country is committed by white men.

30:02Piers Morgan:Oh, here we go. You've never heard of Per Capita. I have heard of Per Capita. It's disproportionately committed by Muslims against white Christians because it's a rape genocide. All right. Let me bring Cenk in. Let me bring Cenk in. Cenk. Yeah. All right. So there's a couple of layers of this. First of all, the idea that Sharia law is about to take over London or here in America, Oklahoma keeps passing laws as if the Sharia law is about to take over Tulsa. This is all demagoguery. And it's super obvious, especially in America where Muslims are a tiny, tiny minority. So the reason why people push that forward is because they want people to hate Muslims.

30:44Now, why do they want people to hate Muslims? How come there's no propaganda against Buddhists or Hindus, right? And please don't start it. I don't want propaganda against anyone. But the reason why there's no propaganda against Muslims in the West... No, actually, they did it to the Rohingya in Myanmar. So it's not about religion, guys. Buddhists do it, Jews do it, Muslims do it, Christians do it. There's people who abuse other folks all across the world from all the different religions. You mentioned shunning women who leave the religion or shunning anyone who leaves the religion. The Mormons do that.

31:19So you talk about, oh, my God, how do they treat their wives and they expect them to be traditional? I'm not fond of Mormons either. There's literally a concept called trad wives here. Yeah, there's a concept called trad wives in America. So you can insult everybody's religion if you want, but the most important part is why are they doing this? And there's a politics behind it. In fact, there's people paying for it. The Israelis pay people in the UK and the US to spread hatred towards Muslims so that the UK and the US will finance Israel and their war crimes and their wars against Muslims. Well, actually, actually, it can actually be easier than that.

31:53Piers Morgan:I mean, Keith, for example, you shared a video to your very large online audience with the caption, This is a town council meeting in England, not Afghanistan. I shit you not. and you used the footage to push a narrative that British local government institutions have been completely overrun and dominated by foreign Islamic interests. The very point you'd be making, Timmy. But it turned out the footage was of a meeting in Pakistan and you then took that down, right? So would you like to apologise for a... I did take it down. It was a repost. Have you apologised? I took it down. It was wrong, yeah.

32:27Piers Morgan:You apologise? Of course I apologise. If it was wrong, yeah. OK, good. Why did you post it without checking? It's very hard to tell the professor's seen Huckus. That's the problem with social media. Sometimes we try to be too quick rather than accurate, and that was a mistake on my part. I don't have a problem owning a mistake. So yeah, I took the post down as soon as I realized it was wrong. But the difference, as I see it in all these things you're pointing out about the different religions, there's a reason why we don't see almost no Muslim girls in the rape statistics in Britain, is because it's a religiously motivated rape jihad against Christians by these predominantly Pakistani Muslim men.

33:06Piers Morgan:You don't find the white men, hold on, you don't find the white men in Britain raping Muslim girls as some sort of religious targeting because the reason they don't rape their own girls is because that would be haram. So they go outside of their religion because that's considered all right because we know what the Quran says about sex slaves and all those things outside of your religion. It's just, oh, it's just made up. It's just made up. Let me bring Ava Santina back in here. In your mind. You probably want to do it. That's why you put it. You project it on the Muslims because your sick mind thinks that that's a fun thing to do.

33:39We don't think that's a fun thing to do. You think it's a fun thing to do because you're a sick individual.

33:44Piers Morgan:You're an idiot. You're an idiot. What was it? Oh, wow. That was an effective argument. Sorry, I missed what you said, Chek. What did you say? Yours was super effective, too. Chek, what was the point you made? So what happens, hold on, hold on. What happens all the time with anti-Muslim hatred is projection. So, for example, the Israelis are talking about Muslims rape. I like Muslims who like me. I don't like Islam. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Shut up. Shut up. Hey, bigot. You shut up. Shut up. You shut up. Shut your mouth. What you gonna do? Okay? What you gonna do? So, no, it's my question. It's my question.

34:17Okay? So this bigot comes on here and makes up this fantasy he has in his head about Muslims raping white women because he wants to rape women and he thinks that's a fun thing to do so he projects it on the muslims as if they would want to do it no no no no chen chen i'm sorry hang on don

34:35Piers Morgan:chen chen you cannot say that i'm sorry there is absolutely no evidence that don keith wants to rape people right and let's be clear about there's no evidence that muslims want to do it either but he just made it up no he hasn't he hasn't made it up i would argue there's an exaggeration there for this reason. There was a clear... Oh, then I'm exaggerating. Maybe he wants to rape adult women. I don't know. I don't think he wants to. Just adult women. He's given no indication he wants to rape any women, right? So I think that's an outrageous thing to say. And what I would say about the point he's making...

35:05Oh, it's an outrageous thing to say about him, but it's not outrageous to say about all Muslims.

35:09Piers Morgan:No. No, it's much more outrageous to say about all Muslims. The only reason you would think it is if it's a fantasy in your head. Yeah, Don, you think about it all the time, don't you? It's not my statistic. It's your gut. It's the British government statistic. 250 ,000 plus girls in the last 25 years have been raped by predominantly Pakistani Muslim men. That was Lord Malcolm Pearson in the House of Lords who said that. It was not me. So don't get mad at me. You go get mad at Lord Malcolm Pearson. Can I just tell you this sophistry, this trick that they do? So they do it here in America with immigrants.

35:42I don't know anything about that number. But here in America, immigrants commit less crime. In fact, legalized immigrants like me, naturalized citizens like me commit a quarter of the crime. So a person born in America is four times more likely to commit crime, right? But what they do is they find one or two cases or a series of cases over 25 years, and they go, look at the number of cases. Now, if you did that with, as Pierce said, with white Christians, you would have a number that is so much higher. But they don't say that. And I wouldn't say that. Does that mean all white Christians do it?

36:15Of course not. Of course not. But these these guys who want to spread hatred, they go and cherry pick numbers, which are much, much worse for the native born or for white Christians. But we don't cherry pick numbers like that to blame white Christians, because that's insane. You're if you're a white Christian, you're not responsible for the act of some stupid rapist. That's not fair to you. Let me bring it. I want to bring it. I want to bring the women back into the Bay Muslims. and B, they're all serving Israel.

36:46Piers Morgan:The difference is white men stay within their own, the difference is white men stay within their cultures. All races, pretty much for any crime, you'll find those crimes can wait, Don. That is complete nonsense. The idea that white men only rape within their own cultures. I didn't say only. I said predominantly. Predominantly. So just hear me out. If you look at statistics, you think they predominantly rape white women and you think that's a good thing? Crimes in general. You think it's a good thing that white men predominantly rape white women? You know what, I'm going to bring a woman in here because I feel increasing...

37:16Piers Morgan:Crimes in general are committed within your own culture. I don't like any of the tenet of what you guys are talking about. All right? Rape is the most serious sexual crime imaginable. I agree. And at the moment, it's getting trivialised in a pretty distasteful manner. Ava, let me bring you in here. I agree. Look, we're talking about this in a way which I find increasing our comfort. Can I just say importantly, before you ask me your question, I can't find any evidence of that statistic. And I think the thing I would say, which is probably not going to go down very well, but various police forces, and actually that was one of the main reasons that the Rotherham grooming gangs exploded in the way it did, don't actually record ethnicity and race.

37:52That's a big problem in this country. So it would be highly unlikely that you'd have been able to have that kind of data in the first place. It was announced by... It was given to the House of Commons, excuse me, House of Lords by Lord Pearson. House of Lords. Yes, sorry, thank you. But by Lord Pearson, but there isn't any evidence. It was then submitted to ministers who rejected it. So I don't think there is any evidence for that claim. Sorry, can I ask you a question? Of course. If someone, God forbid, raped your daughter and then came back to you and said to you, actually, let's talk about ethnicity and religion and statistics and not the fact that your child has been raped.

38:27I'm just saying about the stat. How would you feel? These are children we're talking about. Children have been raped. And rather than people just focusing on the fact that these children have been raped, They're talking about, it's like, the failure, racism, and all of this. And all of this. Using the example that white men rape in this country, it's like saying, oh my gosh, Nigerians are raping so much Nigerians. White men are the majority in this country. So yes, they are going to make up the statistics of men raping. But when we're talking about grooming gangs, yes, it is Asian Muslim. We're not saying it's all men.

38:58We're not saying it's all men. What I'm trying to say is, if someone raped your daughter, you would not like someone to come to you You're talking about ethnicity, racism, Islamophobia. You would want someone to have compassion. He is literally just given a statistic making that exact point.

39:14Piers Morgan:At the end of the day, young girls... Ava is responding to a statistic which she was checking. Young girls are being assaulted. Why are we talking about statistics and racism and Islamophobia? That was my point earlier. Have some compassion. Why don't you guys just sit here and say it's sad. We are literally the ones who are having the compassion. Just sit here and say it's sad and we need to find a way for it to stop. But you guys sit here and talk about Islamophobia and racism and statistics. Who cares? I don't care if it's one person. We should just have some flipping compassion. But is that not the point that we're all making?

39:41There's two reasons. No, the point that I'm making is why wasn't your response? This is wrong. We need to figure out a way to do it. Instead, you brought out statistics from your phone talking about, I cannot find it. That is categorically unfair. No, what I'm trying to say is as a woman, have some compassion. No, I'm not going to have you dominate the narrative here as if I'm saying that it's okay. If someone's telling you that young women are being assaulted I can't be asking for a minute. And your first, yes, because you know what you're doing is disgusting. I'm sorry. And demonic. It's so demonic.

40:05What is demonic?

40:06Piers Morgan:What are you talking about? It's demonic to sit there and make... You've just driven someone to leave the studio. No, she left by herself. You made up a statue you called her demonic. She does not like the fact that I just drew her out for being actually quite disgusting. If someone tells you that young girls... She wasn't disgusting. You were the one being disgusting. And how? You didn't listen to her. How? I listened to everything that she said. No, you didn't. You started talking about it when her daughter was raped. She was checking a claim made by another panel member. If someone tells you that a young person has been raped, I don't care if it's five English women or two English women, have some compassion and just say it's wrong.

40:38Where did she show no compassion? What are you talking about? When did she say in this interview that this is wrong and we need to figure out a way to stop?

40:45Piers Morgan:You weren't even listening to why she was saying what she was saying. No, but what I'm trying to say is why was her first response bringing out statistics and not saying, actually, this is wrong. Because another panel member made a claim about a statistic. How stupid can you be? It's not about being stupid. You made up a statistic and then said it was demonic. The statistic wasn't made up. The statistic was not made up. It was extrapolated from data that came from Rotherham, Telfer, and Oxford. That same method of extrapolation is used for disease prevalence, wildlife, environmental factors. That same method of data collection is used throughout science.

41:26Piers Morgan:Let me try and help for those who are too stupid at the back. Piers Morgan just said that Ray is a sensitive topic, whilst at the same time justifying the fact that we should not have sympathy for it, and at the same time... Nobody said that! What are you talking about? Do you have sympathy for what's going on with the girl? Nobody said that! Do you have sympathy? What are we doing? For what? Do you have sympathy for the young English girls that have been assaulted? Do you have sympathy? Sorry. Oh, so now you're stuttering. Now you're stuttering. No, I haven't. So you've just exposed yourself for not having sympathy.

41:56Piers Morgan:I have a no stupid people rule on panel members for this show. And sometimes we drop below it. The way you started this panel and the way you've ended it suggests that you shouldn't have passed our bar because, frankly, you've been not only stupid and ill-informed and told a bunch of lies, but then right at the end, you've driven one of our regular panel members to leave because you told disgusting lies about her. I didn't force her. You made disgusting suggestions about what she did or didn't care about. I didn't say she lied. I was just questioning where was her sympathy. To be clear, Don Keith made a statement involving a statistic.

42:32Piers Morgan:Ava checked it. The 250 ,000 stat is widely circulated but unsubstantiated, as she explained. The Government Grooming Gangs Task Force created in 2023 helped police to identify more than 4 ,000 victims. Let me say what I believe about that. It was disgusting that that was going on for so long without proper accountability. It was disgusting that there was a cover-up at all levels of government in this country to not bring the perpetrators to book. Yes, it is true that in that particular grooming gang, rape gang scandal, it involved predominantly British Pakistani Muslim men. All of those things are inarguable.

43:10Piers Morgan:But it's also true that the vast majority of sexual crime in this country is perpetrated by white men. Because there's more white men. This idea that it's only perpetrated by Muslims is nonsense. You said only Muslims. And the idea that people like me or Ava Santina have no compassion for the victims when all we have done for the last few years is express loudly and repeatedly our compassion for the victims and our outrage about the scandal is frankly ignorant, stupid and disgustingly offensive. and I don't blame Ava for leaving and you, I'm afraid, if you ever come back here, which I think is unlikely, Sintish, you should be better informed and when you're on a panel, you should listen to what people are actually saying before you smear them in the way that you smeared them.

44:01Piers Morgan:We're going to end things there. Thank you to my panel. I appreciate it. We're turning now to the clones of an Israeli plot to hijack Eurovision voting and Israel's decision to sue the New York Times with two guests who actually both attended marches in London this weekend, but not the same one. Jonathan Conrickers as a former lieutenant colonel and spokesman for the IDF. And Kieran Andreu is a British-Palestinian journalist and activist. Well, welcome to both of you. Jonathan, nice to see you here in the studio, a regular guest on Uncensored, obviously. Zahra Sultana MP claimed on X there were 250 ,000 people.

44:34Piers Morgan:Police said 20 ,000. Tommy Robinson said there were millions at his march. Police said there were 50 ,000. What is it about March? Is March size the new penis size, where people just lie repeatedly? about size? Or if so, why? Apparently it does matter, size. But in terms of, you know, that's not, I think, a unique phenomenon here. I haven't heard an organiser of any political rally to claim the same numbers that then authorities, police and aerial reconnaissance and AI supported afterwards is usually much more. So I don't think that's anything unique to these demonstrations. I was happy to be among the crowd of the Unite the Kingdom march.

45:15I found it very enjoyable.

45:17Piers Morgan:Did you feel you were amongst like-minded souls there, Jonathan? I felt that I was amongst patriots. I mean, they are, yeah, I saw a lot of British patriots. I saw a lot of people who were marching with their own flags and being proud and happy to live in a free democratic society. And when you saw one of the speakers do this, Kelly Jean King, let's look at this. It's not too late to get Islam out of that building. It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country. And more than not too late, it is absolutely vital. If we want to save this country, we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority.

46:09Piers Morgan:You feel comfortable now, now you've seen that? That was one of the speakers at the event. Well, she didn't say Muslims, did she? She said, specifically said Islam. And I think there's a very big difference here. Had she said Muslims, as in people with beliefs, I would have had a issue. What if she said Jews or people who practice Judaism? Well, she didn't say Jews or she didn't say people. You're splitting hairs, Jonathan. No, no. You know you are. No, I'm not. And I think that's a vital point. So she said we've got to get Judaism out of every form of parliament, local or state level, national level of the country.

46:40I don't know that there is any Jewish authority in British politics. I don't know that Jews exercise that number of power. Well, there's no Islam authority in British politics. I don't know that, well, actually... What is it? Actually, I would beg to differ. Why? I think that there are numerous heads of councils, who happen to be Muslim. No, who when they pledge allegiance in their acceptance speech, they do it to the Ummah. They don't do it to queen or king and country, but they have to abide by UK law. Well, that's also open for debate. They have to, allegedly, but if you ask them what comes first, is it the law of the land, British law, or is it Sharia?

47:17Piers Morgan:But let me bring in Kieran. Welcome back to our sense. See, this is the problem I have. Jonathan is a regular guest. I enjoy having him on. I think one of the more fair-minded people, if I may say that without sounding patronising, when we talk about all issues involving Israel, because you're not afraid to be critical where you feel it's deserved. But on this one, to me, there's a complete either willful refusal to just watch what we just watched and interpret it correctly, or just a double standard. And I say that with Jonathan sitting here because the truth is, if she had said, if that had been at the other rally and you had a speaker saying, we've got to get rid of all the Jews.

47:56Piers Morgan:But she didn't say Jews. Well, it's the same thing. No, it isn't. It is a big difference. I think, so you'll be pleased to hear, I don't think Jonathan is very fair-minded. We've debated before Jonathan on various shows. I think that it's very, very instructive and actually very useful that you openly say you line up with Tommy Robinson and his cohort. I think it's very useful because we get a transparent size of you when you say such a thing. And by extension, I think a good part of the Israeli body politic, I think you speak for a lot of them. I could say the same thing about you marching with Hamas.

48:33If the woman there, yeah, that's a complete nonsense analogy. Why would that be the case? If Hamas was represented, you just... Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan. If you will address me, I will address you back. I will not interrupt you if you won't interrupt me. Otherwise, it's going to make a great mess for the audience. Listen, I haven't finished my point. I think you should let me finish my point. Don't go, Richard. I think you should let me finish my point. If you want to just muddy the waters so that nobody can hear either of us, you're going to end up coming away like the pantomime villain.

49:05Let me finish my point. The only villain here would be you, but fine. If you refrain from... Then he finishes his point, Jonathan. I didn't finish his point. Jonathan, you're a grown man. Shut up and let me speak. Don't tell me to shut up. So, Jonathan, if that woman wanted to make the distinction that you want her to make, which is that she doesn't want political Islam in institutions, which is what you claim she is, she could have said Islamism. No, she said Islam. No, no, she said Islam because she doesn't want anybody who is Muslim, as Pierce said, to fulfill any kind of role. How do you know what she wants?

49:41She said Islam. It's so blightingly obvious. She didn't say I want Muslims sometimes. She said, I don't want Islam. Now, I don't even know the woman. I don't know who she is. Jonathan, quick trivia question.

49:52Piers Morgan:Are there any people who follow the faith of Islam who are not Muslim? Of course. Just for any viewers watching at home who might think that when you say she wasn't talking about Muslim, she's talking about Islam. But actually, if the only people that are engaged in practising Islam are Muslims, and she's talking about removing human beings from the body politic of our country, she is talking about Muslims. I think you are willfully distorting what she said. And I think she doesn't... Do you feel comfortable defending her? I feel totally... I think there's a problem in this country with whitewashing Islamism.

50:32And I think that there is so much more tolerance. She didn't say Islamism. and I've just given you that word. Islamism is an extremist version of Islam.

50:41Piers Morgan:And all of us, I believe, including Kieran, would condemn it. Well, I don't know. I'll believe it when he says it. Well, Jonathan, why don't you ask me? Why don't you ask me? I believe in a secular set of institutions. Because actually, ironically, it is a secular society. Unlike yours, by the way, you live in an ethno state. A secular society. So is Denmark and France. Whatever. A secular society. No, no, whatever. So is Denmark and France. It's an ethno state. Otherwise, nobody can follow anything. A secular society, a secular set of institutions is counterintuitively the only guarantee of religious freedoms.

51:13Because you treat every religion equally. You have religious freedom in any of the Muslim countries around the world. Of course you don't have that in your country. Of course we do. We have it in our country. We have it in our country. Here's the thing. We have religious freedom.

51:23Piers Morgan:I just think somebody's standing on a stage where you're in the crowd and are proud to be there, happy to be there, no problem. OK, but there's a woman standing there who is just being blatantly Islamophobic in the most blatant, obvious, undeniable, uncontestable manner. I think you're wrong, Pierce. And I think that, you know, I think you have to be a little bit more critical in the way that you're, you know, happy to, with very broad strokes, paint something. And this is something that not only you do, lots of people do it, where anything where the root, the first letters of Islam is mentioned, there's this heightened sensitivity.

52:00Oh Lord, please not say anything against Israel. As opposed to Judaism and Jews and Israel? Well, you can see that they are the most targeted ethnic group in the UK by far. We can see that the hate crimes against Jews are beyond everything else. They are 10 times the amount of attacks against Muslims. That's complete nonsense. By that comparison, no, that's British police. That's a lie. No, that's British police statistics. I mean, you're a professional liar. By that number, you could make that assumption. But I think you're doing the same mistake here. That woman who, again, I don't know who she is and I don't know where she comes from, but when she chose to say Islam, the religion, and not Muslims, I think that's a difference.

52:43What do you think she meant, then, to keep Islam out of our body politic? Well, I think she makes a point of keeping Britain British in the sense of that church is separated from power, something that you did about 1 ,900 years ago, or sorry, 900 years ago, and that you have religious freedom. Why are you defending this, Jonathan? I don't understand. Jonathan, can I just say... Why am I defending it? Because I believe, as someone who lives in the Middle East, and unlike perhaps you and others here, who don't yet understand the problems with institutional Islam, I think that you have yet... You don't really understand what's at stake here.

53:19Can I ask... Am I going to be allowed to come in at any point? Yeah, of course. If you let Islamists take over institutions, that is exactly what they will do. And they will use your system against you. But she didn't say Islamist.

53:31Piers Morgan:She said Islam. So first of all, I think, Jonathan, it's an extremely strange ship for you to want to go down with this. You could have easily just said, I condemn that, but generally I didn't find that. I thought you would. I thought you would, actually, because I think you do a good impression of a reasonable person. Because we all know, if it had been at the other... Oh, come on with the condescending nonsense. Jonathan, if it had been at the other one and she said, I want Judaism removed from all political levels of the country, you'd have gone nuts, rightly. I'd have agreed with you. Piers, I've been on this show enough times not to go nuts about anything, any slander against Israel.

54:05Believe me, if I was a person who was prone to the nuts... It's not about slander against Israel. It's about the double standards. I've said the most horrific things about the Jewish state and about the IDF. It's not about... It's not about Israel. I agree.

54:17Piers Morgan:But if a speaker at the Nakba rally had stood up and said what she did, but about Jews and Judaism, you would have rightly, with my support, have condemned it as outrageous. I'm staggered that when it happens to be the other side of the coin, you're not intellectually consistent enough to say, that is outrageous, I condemn it. Let me also say that if somebody at Nakba demo had stood up and said... From the river to the sea? Yeah. Jonathan, you're eliding two things. If somebody had stood up and said... Why don't you try and remain on something consistent? Maybe we disagree on that. But if somebody had stood up and said Jewishness or Judaism out of British institutions, almost everybody at that demo would have roundly condemned them.

55:02Yes, of course. All the Hamas marches, they would have roundly condemned. Of course they would have condemned it. Just like they condemned from the river to the sea. Just like they condemned the Hamas flags. Just like they condemned all of the calls for... How many of them have you been to? Jonathan, how many of them have you been to? I've had enough demonstrations pointed against me by Palestinians. How many of those ones that you seem to think you know all of the decor of? Just as many as you have been on the other side. I'm just telling you that I've been to about 20 and I think you've probably been to none.

55:33Piers Morgan:Let me just play another clip. This has gone viral as well. This is where three French women took the stage dressed in burqas and encouraged the crowd to shout, take them off. Let's take a look.

55:45Thank you, thank you, thank you! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go!

56:13With women dressing like they want, I mean, if a woman wants to dress... What if a woman wants to wear a burqa? If it is her choice, then by all means. In Israel, we have women dressed in full burqa, where you can only see the eyes. We have religious Jewish women covering their hair and in traditional wear. And we have modern, secular women in bikinis and shorts. And that's totally fine, and that's her choice. OK, fair enough. Jonathan, what about the point, though? That's not the point. The point is they're making a spectacle of women being forced to take their burqas off. That's the point. And again, you're willfully ignoring that.

56:48Is that the point? You're not a stupid person. Is that the point, really? Of course it is. Take it off, take it off. What if a woman wearing a burka walks down the street and encounters any of the people at that demo cheering, take it off, take it off? Much more likely that she is going to be subjected to discrimination or persecution, or at least feel that she will be subjected to it after a spectacle like that. And that's the point that we're making. Not, do you think that women should, in theory, be allowed to wear burkas? You're willfully ignoring the point because you can't defend that. It's disgusting.

57:20There are two more things I want to cover before we finish. Listen, Piers, you put me in this position of defending a... You put yourself in that position. But I didn't organise, didn't write the slogans for... I didn't say you did. No. But I mean, not everything here is something that I would have scripted. Do I support women dressing the way they feel and want to? Yeah. Is that part of my country? Yes. Do I think that women should be forced to wear clothes by a patriarchal society? No. Do I think that they should be forced to take them off? Also no. It's pretty straightforward. You didn't organise the demo, but you were giving the voice.

57:56Piers Morgan:There are two more things I want to very quickly touch on. One deserves longer time, but we haven't got time. The New York Times action over this column pen by Nicholas Kristof included allegations of serious sexual abuse of Palestinians in Israeli prisons. Benjamin Netanyahu says that the accusation is one of the most hideous and distorted lies ever published against the state of Israel. He said they defamed the soldiers of Israel, perpetuated the blood libel about rape, trying to create a full symmetry between the genocidal terrorists of Hamas and Israel's valiant soldiers. He also significantly says he is suing the New York Times.

58:28Piers Morgan:So the state of Israel is suing. One question. Are we going to see that lawsuit actually pursued to a court? I hope it does. Because he has threatened this before and then nothing happened. Yeah, irregardless of Netanyahu as a person, as a prime minister, either it will be the state of Israel. There are a few legal issues that legal hurdles need to be crossed, or it will be by surrogate some organisation in the US which will take it to an American court. I think that's great. Do you believe that Nicholas Kristof, who, as I said to viewers last time, he discussed this last week, is a double Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, right?

59:03Piers Morgan:From my experience of dealing with him, a man of methodical journalistic practice, right? So my question for you is a more broad, brushstroke one. Yeah. Are you sure that no IDF soldiers have ever used any sexual violence against Palestinian prisons? Of course not. And I think it would be naive to think that there isn't abuse in Israeli prisons. OK, good. As there is in every prison around the world. That's an important omission. Well, I mean, it's obvious. And that's what I said on record when they interviewed me and the Free Press and a few other places. And that's why I said at the start, you are one of the more fan-minded people I get.

59:37But it's a basic thing. It's a basic thing, sadly, in incarcerated situations where one party has the force over the other, these things sadly happen. They happen in British prisons, in American, in maybe not in Norwegian cities.

59:50Piers Morgan:So Nick Christophe's report could be entirely accurate. No, it isn't. But how do you know? Well, one reason I know... You know what's going on? No, no, no. He's exposed a number of specifics. So one thing, what Christophe did was to try to paint a picture of systemic sexual assault and abuse. Which is what he does. How do you know it's not going on? So I'll come to it. He used the worst of the worst, the icing on his cake, his rotten cake, was to say that Israel has trained dogs to perform rape, as in, and I'm sorry for being graphic, but that is what he wrote, to actually penetrate humans, dogs actually doing that.

1:00:26There are a list of experienced canine handlers and trainers who are on record saying that it's biologically impossible to get a dog to do. Israel sourced those, and Israel said to the New York Times, are you sure that you want to stick with that ridiculous idea of Israel training dogs? And then the New York Times said, yes, we're sticking. That is the reason why Israel is suing.

1:00:51Piers Morgan:Kieran, before you respond, both Nick Kristof repeatedly and the New York Times repeatedly have 100 % stood behind their reporting. And what is your... Well, I mean, the idea, first of all, there's a few things here. First of all, the idea that the New York Times, which was for a long time ran by David Remnick, who would be, I think he described himself as a liberal Zionist, but it's publishing a story that is so dramatically or diametrically against Israel's interests that is false. I mean, they know how litigious the state of Israel is. They know that if there's any discrepancy in this whatsoever, they're going to get sued.

1:01:28And so I believe...

1:01:29Piers Morgan:Well, they're going to get threatened with being sued. They're going to get threatened with... Netanyahu has a history. of issuing similar threats that then never transpired. That never materialised. And that's what's going to happen here. This isn't going to materialise. Because, first of all, there is so much evidence of systemic rape. And he never said, by the way, that the IDF commanders or any members of government had ordered any of this as a systemic practice. He said it goes on. He said it goes on. And you began your defence of this by saying it happened. And by the way, sorry, I have finished my point.

1:01:59Piers Morgan:I'm just going to come back in. The thing you said about canine trainers, There is a lot of evidence which has been confirmed that Augusto Pinochet in Chile... There is none. ...used dogs to rape people. I've gone into the Pinochet. I've gone into the allegations from that to you as well. Do you know what? We haven't got the evidence to have, but viewers can go away and look at it. It is completely false. It is biologically impossible. It's also very interesting that you've looked into it to disprove that it's possible. Of course, because it's such an absurdity. Maybe because you're concerned that it's going on No, because it's such an absurdity.

1:02:28And it is what catches the minds of ill-informed people. Whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, filibuster, filibuster, filibuster, filibuster. Just like the Mossad using dolphins. Let me, let me, let me finish my point. You've been waxing on about your phone for ages. Yes, you wax on all of the time. For viewers will be able to see that I haven't interrupted you once. I've been very respectful. Because you constantly talk. What you, what you are doing is hectoring every syllable I produce. I urge you again, shut up. Don't use that language. You're in no position to tell anybody to shut up.

1:02:59No, you're in no position to do it. I just did. I'm in a perfectly good position. Listen, let me finish my point, then you can say whatever you want. There is a great train of evidence of systemic rape in Israeli prisons. And I'm going to tell you something else. I'm going to tell you something which will blow your mind, which you'll definitely dismiss. My own brother is a Palestinian who has been sexually assaulted in prison. So I do not want to hear from you that this doesn't go on or that it isn't systemic because there is so much evidence that there is. Well, to be clear,

1:03:33Piers Morgan:Jonathan said it does go on. It does go on. And I would argue once you make that admission, you don't know how much it goes on. Exactly. All you've conceded is it happens. But also there are lots of prisoners who say it happens. So then we're arguing about the amount it happens. No, no. We are arguing about two things, Piers. One is the issue of systemic, like an institutional effort. In order to train dogs, there needs to be a system behind it. And it is the peak of absurdity to make that allegation. I'm fixating on the dogs. You're fixating on the dogs. But what about the humans? And by the way, you're interrupting.

1:04:06What about the humans? I'm fixating... I'm focusing on the dogs because it is the most ridiculous and unfounded claim which is based on a Palestinian guy in Gaza who says so. No forensics, no other evidence, nothing. Absolutely. Just a guy, a Palestinian in Gaza, who says... Let me tell you. Hang on, hang on.

1:04:26Piers Morgan:You don't get to win two Pulitzer Prize by just asking any old guy to tell any old story. He went over there. He interviewed these people. He is standing by his reporting. And today, all I've seen is a massive sneer campaign against Nick Kristof. Again, you're not looking at... Again, have a serious dog expert. Have a serious dog expert. Someone who actually knows about it. And ask him the real question. You can get real graphical and detailed. You usually go to facts. You usually bring experts and you have someone with, you know, a certain level of expertise. Did you really think when you first started to learn about your country, about Israel, that you would be on television 40 years, 30 years later, having to argue that dog experts can't verify whether Israeli prison guards use dogs to rape Palestinians?

1:05:16I mean, that is the country, unfortunately, that you have become. You're having to come on television and talk about that. There's a lot of people around the world. There is a meat grind. I haven't finished my question yet. There's a giant... I'm just going to put a quick appendage there. Yeah. There's an archipelago of prisons in Israel that churns out disturbed, tortured, sexually abused Palestinian prisoners. I would say that there's a disturbed system called the Palestinian education system that churns out mass murderers and terrorists. That's a real problem. It's called the State of Israel.

1:05:46No, no, it's called the Palestinian Authority and Honest Rule. That's what it is. and further towards some kind of fascism. That's what you should be looking into. You should be looking into why are you part of a society that produces mass murderers, that produces suicide bombers, that produces people that are willing to say Allah-u-Akbar and go stabs the audience. The reason I don't need to shout over you over and over again is because I know how hollow what you're saying sounds to most of my mind.

1:06:09Piers Morgan:We're moving off into a wider church, which we haven't got time to explore properly. So to be fair to both of you, let's end on a sort of weird, slightly lighter note, which is one question for each of them. This wasn't weird enough. Well, Eurovision, right? So the New York Times has reported their investigation found a well-organised campaign by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government that embraced Eurovision as a soft power tool. Israel just came second again. Did you listen to the Israeli performance this year and last year? And do you honestly think... And I speak as somebody who used to judge America's Got Talent and Britain's Got Talent and is happy to say the British entry this year was one of the worst things I've ever watched in my life.

1:06:45Piers Morgan:Do you honestly believe that Israel had the second best performing act in the last two years? Or do you think they could be, could be, Jonathan, not a conspiracy theorist, but perhaps a bit of an online campaign that suited the Israeli government to have Israel finish in a better place, which will reflect better on the country at a time when they're becoming increasingly unpopular? Yeah, you know, I'm not a big Eurovision Song Contest fan. My late grandmother, she was a big fan. It was a big festivity every time it was. special cake and everything. I never really found the attraction to it. I understand that people think it's important.

1:07:24I've seen it a few times and I don't think that overall there's masterpieces in music performance there. Not a big fan of any of the countries. Would it surprise you? But I will say it's this.

1:07:33Piers Morgan:Would it surprise you if the Israeli government had not done a few things to try and boost the Israeli vote? What is, I don't know, but what I think is appalling, What I think is appalling is how politicised... Don't call for a canine handler to investigate? What I think is appalling is that other countries have boycotted the event just because Israel is part of it. I think that is small, that it is small, it is really pitiful, and I think it's become a very politicised event. So whether or not Israel did this, I don't know. What's incredibly pitiful is, first of all, it's very obvious that there's a coordinated campaign.

1:08:12And it's part of... I mean, it's consistent with what the Israelis have always called Hasbara. You know, it's part of the soft power thing. So it's very consistent with that. I think what's pitiful is that Israel is still allowed to participate in a Eurovision Song Contest. First of all, why is it European? We're constantly told that the only place Israel could have been was in Palestine, which is in the Middle East. So what's going on there? In Israel, actually. Second of all, well, it wasn't that. It wasn't called that. It wasn't called that for 1917. It wasn't called that for 1917. For the British gave it to you.

1:08:41Long, long before. And then before... Check your Bible. And then aside from that, I'm actually an atheist. We're not getting into the geopolitical history of the Middle East. Aside from that, the European Cup. I mean, Israel, which has been committing the worst genocide of the 21st century for the past three years. Again, absolutely nonsense. And colonised somewhere else's country. Why should it be allowed to participate in European competitions? It ought to be kicked out. And shame on the country that doesn't do what Spain did and make a point of saying, we're not going to participate in this until that blood-soaked, genocidal country is forced to step out of it.

1:09:15Absolute nonsense. And boycotts... You know what, though? I don't remember... I don't remember...

1:09:20Piers Morgan:But I'm not surprised that the New Times came with that story. I'm actually going to say something that you'll like. Because I don't remember when I was leading the media campaign against the Iraq War in 2003 against the Blair government. I don't remember the world queuing up to ban the UK from these competitions. Well, I think we would be... And I'm afraid, given that we took part... We're half the world away. And given we took part in an illegal war, which cost a million lives, you could argue that we should have been held to the same account. People are now holding Israel. That's the golden double standard.

1:09:49Piers Morgan:If they believe that Israel should not be completed, where was Spain in demanding that the UK be dropped from these things? Well, that's a separate case. Actually, I think that that's a very solid point. There's something to be explored there. I think that a World Cup in the United States right now is not justified. And I do think... Well, the problem is, I think the problem is, honestly, the problem is once you start using war or conflict or other issues as a reason to ban people. Yeah, but Israel's a very special case, Piers. It's a special case because it has so many haters. That's the only special case.

1:10:22Piers Morgan:I can make a point for you as to why it's a special case. There were eight countries in the Qatar World Cup. There was a huge row about the way that Qatar... What about Russia? Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. It was a huge argument. I was there at the Qatar World Cup. Did you go to Russia? Hang on. There was a huge row in Qatar because Qatar outlaws homosexuality. And I made the point, wow, eight of the 32 teams that are competing in this World Cup ban or outlaw homosexuality. Most of the African countries are. Are you going to throw them all out of the competition? And if you're not, stop being a hypocrite.

1:10:59No, my point is that that doesn't meet the threshold. But double standards and hypocritism is... Well, it might do to gay people. It might do to go. But my point is this. Israel's a very special case. It uses sporting events. It uses events like Eurovision to whitewash its reputation while it actively commits a case. You know what? What about Russia? What about Russia? I think honestly... What did you think about Russia?

1:11:18Piers Morgan:I sort of agreed, yeah. You think they should have been kicked out? Yeah, I think there are instances where it should happen, but it should be more... Surely Israel meets that. But it should be morally consistent. But I agree with you. But I think Russia and Israel are two very, very special cases. Well, the difference... I would argue that the difference is simply that in the case of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there would be no attack on the Russians in Russia, right, from Ukrainians. You'd accept that. Whereas the Israeli attacks on Gaza... I think that the key point... Specific attacks, which we now...

1:11:48Piers Morgan:No, I know. Listen, we don't need to do that. Followed October 7th. So there was a difference. What I would say, Pierce, before, is that... The one that's conveniently overlooked, and I just came back from the Nova exhibition... Jonathan, you were just mumbling at this point. No, I'm told he's very powerful. Can I just make my point? Yeah, he is very powerful. Paul, it's a great reminder of how they started. It's a great reminder of why Gaza is like it is. It's a great reminder. You're asking the audience... I've got to wrap it up. But let me just say this. You're asking the audience to wander in at the beginning of the third act.

1:12:15What about the colonisation? All right. The systematic merger of Paul Pellister.

1:12:19Piers Morgan:Guys, we don't have time for the whole history of the Middle Eastern conflict. 6 % in 1917. I'm grateful to you both for coming in. Thank you very much. Thank you. Piers Morgan on Sensen is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.