BREAKING: Andrew Tate On Legal Win “Another Step Closer to Complete Exoneration!”

17:30Piers Morgan:Your UK solicitor, Andrew Ford, welcomed today's decision and said despite much external pressure, the evidence speaks for itself in this case and the Crown Prosecution Service have rightly confirmed the evidence is inadequate to provide any realistic prospect of conviction. The reason the CPS made this decision will become obvious when the evidence is played out during the civil proceedings. So, I mean, what is he suggesting there? What do you believe is going to come out of the civil case, which is going to make this decision by the CPS obvious?

18:04Tessa Dunlop:Well, I have an upcoming civil case, so I have to be careful what I say. But in a hypothetical scenario, if girls are going to accuse a man of rape or sexual assault, and then continue to see him for years afterwards and continue to text him and continue to buy him birthday presents and continue to beg to want to be with him and continue to call his phone and sit outside his house when he doesn't reply to them and then start asking him for money and getting very angry when they don't get money. I think it's pretty clear to see the motivations behind a false criminal accusation. I don't think anybody with a functioning mind, you know, is going to be confused about why this is happening.

18:38Tessa Dunlop:And the Bedfisher case is garbage, too. All of this is garbage. Pierce, I understand you're a journalist. I understand you have to be very careful what you say. However, you are a father to sons, and it's very unfair that we live in a world now where any man can just be unfairly attacked, unfairly lied about, and they have to suffer the process of this entire insanity for years before eventually it turns out the girls lied, because what happens to those liars?

19:01Piers Morgan:Well, look, I think it's very unfair. Do you think that something should happen to the liars? I think it's very unfair if anyone doesn't get due process, whether that's a male who's been accused of things, a woman who's making the allegations. The legal system should work properly, and there are far too many examples where it doesn't work properly. I don't know in your case, like I keep saying, I have no idea how this is all going to finally unravel. All we do know as a fact today is that so far you have not been convicted of any crimes, that that is the only fact that we know for sure.

19:35Tessa Dunlop:Yeah, and that's a very important fact, because if we keep in mind I was enemy number one of the system, I was the most Googled man on the planet, that federal agencies from three different countries, America, UK, Germany, Poland, Romania, sorry, five different countries have investigated me, that I've handed over all of my electronics, if I had done anything, if I had smoked weed, if I had taken steroids, if I had gone to an orgy, if I had had a homosexual experience, if I had done anything, all of these things would be all over the paper. And what do they have on me? Nothing. I'm cleaner than 99 % of the people you walk past in the mall.

20:08Tessa Dunlop:Because if anyone else had their lives investigated to the level mine's been, you'd see a whole bunch of skeletons in their closet. I haven't done anything. I raised my children. I work hard. I train hard. I don't do drugs. I don't drink. I haven't done anything. And they're very disappointed by how clean my life is. And that's the truth, because they have been desperate to put me in a cell, desperate. And they've given endless, the NCA, Operation Moonwalk, Britain, as broke as it is, dedicated hundreds of thousands of pounds to trying to put me in jail, as if they don't have other things to pay for as the streets of London run with blood.

20:40Tessa Dunlop:They have tried so hard, and they are failing. I am an innocent man. It is not that hard to put a guilty man in jail.

20:47Piers Morgan:Final question. You've talked before about having a relationship of kind with some of the Trump family. Have you heard from any of them recently?

20:59Tessa Dunlop:No, I think they've got much bigger concerns than my cases. I don't think they're very interested in any of my cases. I've always been a Trump fan. I think he's, you know, the best choice for America. I think he's doing a fantastic thing. But they're not interested in trying to help me in any way. when I went to America, when I first got released from Romania, I didn't hear from them either. So I haven't heard from them. But I think that perhaps a lot of Republicans understand because of what happened to our great president, that the legal systems are very often weaponized by the enemies of truth to attack people who have done nothing wrong.

21:32Tessa Dunlop:Remember, Trump himself went through a whole bunch of bogus legal cases. Trump himself was actually convicted. I haven't even been convicted. Trump himself was convicted of all these stupid allegations and heinous crimes on very little evidence. So I think most functioning people now understand the legal system can be weaponised, and they understand that what's happening to me is very clearly lawfare. I'm very clearly a victim of a corrupt system because I'm speaking the truth against the matrix, and anybody with a functioning mind can see that.

21:58Piers Morgan:Well, it remains to be seen whether any of what you just said is correct. What we do know with Donald Trump, actually, just to be technically correct, he wasn't convicted of anything other than one set of charges relating to a one-night stand with a porn star, which I thought at the time was utterly ridiculous, ridiculous overreach against a president of the United States who had only recently been in office, and made a mockery of the justice system in America. The other cases, as we know, they are no longer active. They were discontinued. But that particular one that they convicted him of, I thought was a complete farce.

22:31Tessa Dunlop:Absolute ridiculous overreach of the American judicial system. It was an absolute ridiculous overreach of the British judicial system to put people in jail for Facebook messages. And it's an absolute ridiculous overreach of the Romanian judicial system to lock me in my house for three years and then have the case thrown out because they made up the victims because it was all completely fake. Please understand, in any other country, which isn't so corrupt, prosecutors would be in jail for what they did to me here. You can't just make up victims and make up papers and print out lies and put people in jail.

22:59Tessa Dunlop:Let me ask you a question.

23:01Piers Morgan:Just talking to you today, you sound very calm, very direct, completely different to how you were in our last interview, where you started ranting quite regularly about all sorts of stuff. And at the end of it, we got into it about your views about women's place in society. You said they should have no right to vote, they should have no power, they should not have any job, they should stay at home and so on. That is exactly what I said. Hang on, I got a lot of feedback to that, which was, whatever you think of Andrew Taylor, whether you think he's guilty or not these charges. And we just don't know yet because they're still ongoing.

23:36Piers Morgan:But whatever you think of him, he does himself absolutely no favours in the way that he talks about women. And he does it so brazenly and with such apparent pride. You know, when you think back to our last exchange, are you entirely comfortable with the way that you talked about women in that interview?

23:54Tessa Dunlop:Absolutely. I think you just misunderstand me. Women are very powerful creatures. In fact, they're magical creatures because they give life. and a woman's power is to give life and to be a feminine woman who is the head of a beautiful family and to have as many children with the man she loves as possible. That is what women are fantastic at. That is what society needs. Our birth rates are collapsing. And that's what inspires men to be their best selves. When men see they have a wife who's had their children, that makes a man want to be a good man for that woman. I never said women are powerless.

24:23Tessa Dunlop:I said that protecting society is the job of men. Police officers should be men and that the voting and the political matters and the judicial system, a lot of that should be men, because we are evolutionarily designed to protect territory in a way that females perhaps aren't. And it's our job to protect women. We're not trying to protect ourselves. A man's trying to protect his wife, protect his kids, protect his society, protect his town. And I think that the reason that the Western societies are in such trouble now is that everything is conflated. The men are doing the things that women are actually good at innately, and the women are doing things that the men are innately good at.

24:54Tessa Dunlop:I believe we have God-given talents, and I believe if we all stick to what we're naturally good at, it will optimize our society. It's not a matter of hating women, Piers. It's not a matter of saying that women have no power. It's not a matter of trying to subjugate women at all. It's a matter of protection. It's a matter of me understanding as a man, I have certain duties and certain jobs to do. And I believe a woman has certain duties and certain jobs to do. And that's why I have so many fantastic relationships with women. That's why I have so many children. That's why I take care of them so fantastically and keep them safe.

25:20Tessa Dunlop:That's why they look up to me and admire me and love me. If I was truly a misogynist, I wouldn't be suffering from all of these offspring and all of these beautiful relationships which I have. So I think it's just a matter of misunderstanding.

25:30Piers Morgan:As you were talking, I just reminded you that this weekend, the England women's rugby team became world champions, and I watched that game. I don't think they need any help from you, and I don't think they need any guidance about what a woman's place in the world should be. They're world champions because they play a sport at a supremely elite level. I watched it and could not believe the staggering amount of skill and power and pace on display in a women's rugby match. And that's to their great credit. So they shouldn't all be kept at home because actually that's not what most women want to do.

26:03Piers Morgan:But anyway, I'm going to leave it there for now. Andrew Tate, I appreciate you coming back on Uncensored. I will follow, as I said to you, I will follow the facts and if they change, they change. I will keep talking to you and we'll see where it all leads.

26:14Tessa Dunlop:Before, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Before we go, can I just ask a very simple question? I'm curious as to your input because I do consider you a professional who knows a lot about the world. Do you agree there's something very suspicious about the criminal cases involving me? Just suspicious. Do you think something strange has happened?

26:30Piers Morgan:Well, I don't think it even matters what I think about it. I think what matters is, have you at the moment been convicted of any crime? People say, why do you platform Andrew Tate? And I said, why shouldn't I? They said, because he's a criminal. He's an abuser. He's this, he's this and this. And I say, well, actually, as things stand, he has not been convicted of any of those crimes. He's been accused by a lot of people, but the significance of today is that a whole police case against you in one police force has, from a criminal perspective, been dropped. They said the evidence didn't reach the bar for criminal prosecution.

27:05Piers Morgan:That is noteworthy. That's why I've got you on today to discuss it, and I appreciate you coming on. Thank you very much, sir. Well, joining me in the studio now to react to this breaking news is Samara Gill, host of Triggered, along with historian and commentator Tessa Dunlop. So, Tessa, welcome back. And... It's complicated, Andrew Tate, because I can't quite get my head round why we have to go through year after year after year of his name and his brother's name and all these lurid allegations, and nothing ever seems to come to the point of a criminal conviction. And, in fact, today we hear the news that a whole slew of charges against them have now been dropped from one of the two British police forces taking action against them.

27:48Piers Morgan:What is your view?

27:49Samara Gill:My view is I've never heard you give so much space to an individual on your Uncensored programme. Oh, to speak in such an unfettered fashion and not be interrupted. But more specifically... Hang on, hang on.

27:59Piers Morgan:Just to be clear. I interviewed him only literally like 10 days ago and we got into a slangy match about various things, including what I think of his pretty odious views about women's place in society. But he's entitled to have those views, right? The question for me is, is he a criminal? Andrew Tate platforming himself there quickly.

28:19Samara Gill:Two sex. Andrew platforming himself there as a victim. It is well known that in... Well, it might not be well known, but it should be well known. In 2024, only 3 % of the rape cases reported to the British police resulted in a charge, let alone a conviction. But what does that have to do with him? Because a lot of what he's being charged for, sex with a minor, sex trafficking, etc., involve the two key witnesses being the accused and the accuser, and it is very, very hard to bring the bar high enough for a criminal case, which, incidentally, is proof beyond reasonable doubt. You'll remember Prince Andrew and the Virginia Gufri case was a civil case.

28:55Samara Gill:In a civil case, it's balance of probabilities. Are you suggesting to me here that we think, the majority of the British public, think that Prince Andrew, for example, is entirely innocent simply because it didn't reach the bar of a criminal case?

29:08Piers Morgan:Well, all we know about Prince Andrew is that it never got tested in a court of law, in a civil court of law, because at the last minute he gave Virginia Giuffreia reported$11,$12 million to make that case go away with no admission of liability. So, again, as a journalist, I just don't think it's helpful for people to take an extreme view about these things either way. No, I agree with you. We don't actually know for a fact what Andrew's culpability is in relation to any of the accusers.

29:34Samara Gill:He makes out he's this big victim.

29:37Piers Morgan:No, I'm talking about... Sorry, just to be clear. I was talking about Prince Andrew, right? We can all have our view of what he did and how he paid this girl loads of money and the tragedy that unfurled... The key there is it's a civil case. No, I understand.

29:49Samara Gill:Most of these cases are civil because of that.

29:51Piers Morgan:I understand, but I'm making the point. We don't know about his guilt, Prince Andrew. He's resolutely and consistently denied any wrongdoing. All we do know, and people can make their own minds up about what they feel about that, is that he gave her millions of dollars to make that case go away. Having said, I'm going to clear my name in court. On Andrew Tate, he's faced this slew of allegations. They're all extremely serious, right? Everyone has probably got a view about Andrew Tate, which skews what they think of him before they even get into these kind of things. He's a very abrasive, bombastic, confrontational character.

30:25Piers Morgan:And has a voice.

30:26Samara Gill:None of those alleged, let's call them victims, have a voice. None of them have a platform on the Piers and Morgan Uncensored show. And the way in which he makes out it's something against him that the women are anonymous, it's a well-known fact that if you are accused of being a rapist and if you accuse somebody of being a rapist, the victim comes off much worse, which is why female victims or those accusing men of raping are granted anonymity. It's not him singled out.

30:50Piers Morgan:Tessa, I don't disagree with you, right? And it's so triggering to watch him see this crap, Piers. It's crap. No, it may be triggering to you.

30:58Samara Gill:It is triggering as a woman, a magical creature who's a woman.

31:01Piers Morgan:It doesn't mean to say that the right way to interview him is to convict him before he's been convicted. No, I'm not convicting him. That's really what you want me to do. No, but do we give him the fact that... You want me to scream at Andrew Tate and say, you are a sex abuser. No, I question you platforming him. But actually, I prefer not to do that.

31:14Samara Gill:I question you platforming him. Do you? Why? Because I think the balance of probability is... And by the way, Romania is a country I know very well. Well, I know. I wonder why Andrew Tate chose to go and establish his business emporium in Romania.

31:27Piers Morgan:Well, explain your connection with Romania.

31:29Samara Gill:Oh, I've done a PhD on the history. I work over there a lot. I'm married to a Romanian. I know the country inside out. He thought he was on a buy there, an easy wicket. And guess what? He came unstuck. And yes, one of the cases has been sent back. It's under investigation for procedural errors. but a second, much broader case means he's trapped in Romania. Good. That's thanks to Romania's progress. I'm sorry, good.

31:49Piers Morgan:Good because I think he stinks. Hang on, Tessa. Fine. Good because you hate him. No, I don't hate him. I don't hate him. That sounds like you do. No, I don't hate him. Which you're perfectly entitled to.

31:57Samara Gill:I don't hate him, but I just think, actually, there's clearly... Be careful what you say. OK, let's just remember what he's under investigation for. Sex with a minor, money laundering, trafficking. It may well be that he's untouchable, but I'm very glad that Romania's making sure due process is being done. Let me bring Samar in.

32:18Piers Morgan:I mean, look, I remember the very recent case of P Diddy. OK? P Diddy had an unbelievably huge number of incredibly serious charges. And we know how that played out in the end. This is why, as a journalist, it's not my position to be an activist who has a view about Andrew Tate either way. These are serious charges. People are making serious allegations. My view is the position to take is to just follow where the facts go. What do you think?

32:45Andrew Tate:Well, I agree with you, but a lot of people don't have that perspective. We always see the media and the people being judge, jury and executioner to people before they have been found guilty. And the issue is, and of today's dropping of the charges of the criminal case, is it's going to strengthen Tate's message that it is a witch hunt after him. The public... The politicisation of the justice system... No, I agree. And by the way, Tessie, you shake your head.

33:11Piers Morgan:You platformed the message.

33:13Samara Gill:We didn't need to hear his message if you hadn't platformed him.

33:16Piers Morgan:I don't need to interview anybody. But he's the centre of a big breaking news story today.

33:20Samara Gill:So you felt it was your public duty to platform him, did you?

33:23Piers Morgan:No, not at all. I think it's interesting to interview Andrew Tate on a day that the criminal charges from one of the two police forces get dropped. I do think that's interesting and significant.

33:32Samara Gill:But let's clarify why that is. because it's very difficult when you're bringing a rape case to prove it.

33:38Piers Morgan:Hang on, we don't have to clarify it. As I just leave to the amendment, the vast majority of rape cases don't end up in a conviction. Tessa, putting aside your obvious bias, we don't have to clarify anything because the Crown Prosecution Service said the legal test to bring criminal charges had not been met. They said we undertook a further review of a case file in relation to allegations of assault and rape between 2030 and 2015. Following careful consideration of the evidence provided by Hertfordshire Constabulary, we concluded that our legal test for prosecution was not met and that no further action should be taken.

34:08Samara Gill:And to be clear, Andrew Tate said on your show that the police had no evidence. That was an outright lie. They don't have no evidence. They just didn't meet the evidence. He's entitled to his view.

34:16Piers Morgan:You're entitled to yours. And I'm challenging his. As your friend. He proclaimed himself your friend.

34:20Samara Gill:Is he your friend, by the way?

34:20Piers Morgan:He's not a friend. He's someone I interview regularly.

34:22Samara Gill:You didn't challenge him on that, though, when he called you.

34:23Piers Morgan:I've never met Andrew Tate socially in my entire life. Just to clarify. He can call me what he likes.

34:27Samara Gill:Didn't it bother you that he kept on talking about your sons? He kept on making a parallel between himself and your sons? No. Like, bracketing himself off with all men. Oh, these poor men who are constantly under the path from women.

34:37Piers Morgan:No, because I think it's quite enlightening the way you're reacting to this, because you in your head have clearly already convicted him. No, I haven't convicted him. You have.

34:44Samara Gill:I want to wait until... You don't want to give him any due process. I don't want to give him a platform in the meantime. Those women aren't. They're cowering, anonymous, because they know that if they came out, boom, a pledge family.

34:56Piers Morgan:But what if they are lying?

34:58Samara Gill:If they are lying, due process will make sure that Andrew Tate is exonerated in Florida, in Romania, in Britain.

35:04Piers Morgan:Well, the American case, there's no further development on that. That's stopped. The case here, though, if they're lying, we don't know yet. Because the civil case that his lawyer says... His lawyer says here, the civil case, it will become clear when people hear the evidence. So let's wait and see what the evidence says. But there's no doubt that the police have concluded, after a lengthy investigation, that the evidence that was put forward of a crime has not been met.

35:30Samara Gill:That's not unusual in the vast majority of rape cases. Even when they lead to a charge, they don't result in a conviction.

35:35Piers Morgan:Samara?

35:36Andrew Tate:I think we go down such a dangerous path when we say, let's de-platform someone who, as of today, as of just your interview right now, he has not been convicted of any criminal wrongdoing. He has not been found guilty, which is the big thing. So why are we treating him as if he has been? I think it really diminishes other cases that get brought forward. We really shouldn't be doing this. It's a very dangerous precedent.

35:59Piers Morgan:I do think trial by public jury, right, on social media, trial by media, all trial by media, actually, but particularly these days where social media can be so toxic and tribal. I've watched immediately the way this development's broken on social media, what people have done. Andrew Tate's supporters have immediately rushed to falsely claim he's been cleared of all charges, right, including Romania, not true, including everything in the UK, not true. Others have gone the other way, and they've raced to say, this means nothing, he's guilty, he's this, he's that. And I'm sitting there looking at this as a journalist going, why don't we just stick to the facts here?

36:38Piers Morgan:Why don't we wait and see if Andrew Tate actually, along with his brother, actually ever gets into a courtroom in a criminal case and has a chance to defend himself against allegations? Because if that never happens, if, as he says, the Romanian system clogs this down for years and years to come, The accusers, they're not served any good public service by that. He isn't, obviously, either. But nor are the public, right? The public will never be able to work out whether he's guilty or not.

37:07Samara Gill:Do you know what's really interesting about this? He kept on making out he was the victim. He even tried to trash Romania, suggesting it was their failed judicial system that meant he's trapped there. Oh, poor Andrew, the victim. This is a reminder of just how difficult it is for every woman who is sexually assaulted... Yes, but, you see, I have a problem... Look at it from the other way around here. No, I have a problem with that, you see,

37:29Piers Morgan:because, Samara, my problem with that statement is not that Tessa statistically isn't correct, right? I am correct. I know. I'm not saying that. The rate of conviction for rape cases is 1%. It's outrageous, right? It's shocking. It shouldn't be like that. I totally agree with you. However, I don't believe in looking at other cases when someone is facing serious charges. I believe, Samara, I'm just going, what is this person facing? where is the evidence, who's saying what, has it been properly investigated, has it reached a court, is everybody under oath and so on. That, to me, is what I call due process.

38:04Piers Morgan:It's not just shouting, well, he's got away with it or he's this or he's cleared or he's guilty. It's none of those things.

38:10Andrew Tate:I mean, I'm really sick of this let's believe all women thing. I think this is an overhang from the Me Too.

38:15Samara Gill:I don't think we should... We don't need to believe all women. I wasn't suggesting that for a moment.

38:19Piers Morgan:By the way, that was a big problem in the Me Too campaign. Massively. The big problem came when I heard senior police officers saying it's incumbent to believe all women. No, no, no, no. It's not incumbent to believe any accuser. You listen to an accuser, you take their allegations seriously and you investigate those allegations. What you do not do as a police officer, in particular, you do not make a presumption of guilt, which is what they were inferring. If you believe an accuser, you are convicting that person they're accusing before they've had any chance...

38:52Samara Gill:Just to be clear, as someone who lumbers under an NDA, a non-disclosure agreement, it is incredibly hard to prove something has happened. What do you want me to do? Catch the fluid? Preserve it in a pot after 10 years? My point is, I'm sorry to be lured, and that was my case didn't involve fluids, just to be clear. But the point is, it is incredibly difficult. The two witnesses are the accused and the accuser, and it comes down against the woman every time.

39:16Piers Morgan:We've got to leave it there. It's a really interesting debate. right and he gets everybody going good bad and ugly a lot of it is ugly a lot of his views about women and their place in society however he tried to sugarcoat it I vehemently disagree with and I've called him out on it many times but I have always said when I've interviewed him to be clear I will follow the evidence and the facts as they're presented in the public domain I won't listen to social media I won't have people tell me you can't do this you can't do that if the guy is not being convicted of any crime which is absolutely the case right now, then he, whether you hate him or like him or even don't care about him, he is entitled to due process.

39:54Samara Gill:I don't waste an emotion on him. I just don't like the fact he platformed himself as if he was a victim. All right.

39:59Piers Morgan:I don't see him as a victim. But you don't know he's not a victim. You might think he's got horrible views, but actually, by saying what you've just said, you don't know that. It may be that he is exactly what he's portraying himself as, which is a victim of a vengeful justice system around the world to try and silence him. I don't know.

40:17Samara Gill:Or a matrix, as your friend refers to it. A matrix. All against Andrew Tate and other men like him. He keeps talking to me about him, calling me a friend.

40:22Piers Morgan:I've never met him socially in my life, right? But the reality is, I think it's just better to stick to facts with Tate. And let's see where it takes...

40:30Samara Gill:So don't platform again, because he talks rubbish most of the time.

40:32Piers Morgan:And if he's convicted of crimes, I will be the first to be as censorious as you would be. I just prefer to do that once people have been convicted of a crime, not because I want them to be guilty.

40:41Samara Gill:Just remember how difficult it is to bring criminal convictions against a man.

40:45Piers Morgan:Separate issue. Separate issue. Anyway, thank you both very much.

40:47Samara Gill:Thank you, my friend.

40:49Piers Morgan:You are my friend. I'm Piers Morgan. I'm a black lesbian. Hollywood has been trying to remove masculinity for it seems like the last decade.

40:59Tessa Dunlop:There were tears that ran down my face, but I did not cry. I mean, that's crying.

41:08Piers Morgan:Your tweet about a sex tape coming next is quite devastating. Inevitable. And incredibly devastating. Inevitable.

41:13Tessa Dunlop:Americans are fat pigs and British people have effed up teeth. But we're allies.

41:18Piers Morgan:When we say good genes are the ones that... What a load of crap. I saw Beyonce do a jeans ad. Everybody drooled over it. Should trans athletes have their own category now? What's the answer?