In short
Debate over Nick Fuentes’ role in the conservative right—whether he is a white supremacist/antisemite, how he gained followers, and what should be done. The panel also argues about “America First” populism and whether it can align across parties.
Guests (backgrounds)
- Jake Shields: Fight Back Podcast host; argues Fuentes is being mischaracterized and discusses “Generation Z” humor and context.
- Ben Ferguson: co-host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz; right-wing commentator who calls Fuentes a white supremacist and criticizes mainstream platforms.
- Rabbi Shmuley: author “America’s Rabbi”; argues Fuentes uses a Hitler-like antisemitic playbook and predicts internal backlash.
- Richard Black: right-wing commentator/founder of Safari Journal Company; disputes antisemitism accusations and argues “anti-Semitism” is being redefined to exclude him.
Key claims
- Fuentes is described as Holocaust-denying/exaggerating and antisemitic; others claim clips are taken out of context.
- One side says Fuentes’ popularity is driven by hatred selling; the other says conservatives are “de-radicalizing” accusations to regain access.
- Notable examples cited: Fuentes’ comments about Jews and “unique” Jewish organizations; claims about Holocaust “math”/cremation speed; references to Fuentes’ remarks about blacks, rape “fantasies,” and “Hitlerian” rhetoric; discussion of Jerusalem Post editorial calling for the Pope to condemn Fuentes.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODebate on Nick Fuentes
0:05 to 4:22
A heated discussion about Nick Fuentes' views and influence in the conservative movement.
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Rising Influence of Fuentes
4:22 to 11:41
Participants debate the implications of Fuentes' rhetoric and rising fame.
“AND WHEN YOU COME ALONG AND YOU STOKE THOSE FIRES OF SUCH INCENDIARY RACISM AGAINST BLACKS, AGAINST JEWS, IT'S GOING TO TURN ON YOU, AND I THINK FUENTES IS REALLY AT RISK FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE.”
Conservative Movement's Response
11:50 to 14:00
Discussion on how the conservative movement is responding to the rise of white supremacy and figures like Fuentes.
“Ben, look, there's a real battle raging within the conservative right in America.”
Nick Fuentes and White Supremacy
14:00 to 20:44
Discussion on the impact of figures like Nick Fuentes in conservative circles and their association with white supremacy.
“It's an extremely small group, all of them making money off of, I think, real racists and gathering them together and then acting as if they have this power.”
Debate Over Holocaust Denial
21:28 to 28:00
A heated discussion among panelists regarding Holocaust denial, historical accuracy, and antisemitism.
“Do you think that they were burning bodies in 10 minutes?”
Debate on Anti-Semitism and Historical Context
28:00 to 31:30
Discussion centers around the implications of downplaying historical atrocities and their relevance to current attitudes towards anti-Semitism.
“YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.”
Discussion on the Nature of White Supremacy
32:10 to 36:45
Engagement escalates as the participants debate definitions and implications of white supremacy in the context of Nick Fuentes' appeal.
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Populism and Political Alliances
36:45 to 42:01
The conversation shifts towards the potential for populist movements to unite across party lines for the benefit of America.
“I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO IT.”
The Political Landscape of Convergence
42:01 to 44:00
Explore the challenges and perspectives surrounding political cooperation in America.
“AND THIS THEORY OF THE HORSESHOE EFFECT THAT POPULARISM ON BOTH SIDES CAN KIND OF CONVERGE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF AMERICA?”
Debating Political Strategies
44:01 to 46:08
A heated discussion on political tactics and the implications of Trump's actions.
“IF THEY'RE SO EXTREME, WHY WAS TRUMP SO CORDEAL TO HIM IN PUBLIC?”
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Policies and Power Struggles
46:09 to 50:00
A contentious dialogue on political policies and the future of America.
“I'm not talking the Islamists who globalized the intifada.”
Closing Remarks and Predictions
50:01 to 52:28
Panelists share their predictions for the next U.S. president amidst tensions.
“I WANT TO WAIT WITH A FINAL QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY.”
Transcript
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0:30Piers Morgan:What is your view of Fuentes? I think number one, he's a white supremacist, and I think he's an opportunist that has figured out how to make money being a white supremacist. Your negligence to acknowledge the fact that his fans, his constituents, have been following him for 10 years. You know, this thing is rich in nuance. What's that got to do with his anti-semitism? Killer had followers. Nick Fuentes is not MAGA. He's MAG-GIT. He trades in being a subhuman, mentally conspiracy-minded, Neanderthal knuckle-drager. He's speaking Generation Z because they feel left out. Housing costs are going up.
1:03Trump has betrayed us. You can't expect me to be silent when someone denies the Holocaust in front of the entire world. And let me just be clear. I didn't deny the Holocaust. I think the number was exaggerated. You don't give an SHIT about 6 million Jews being killed. I don't fucking know how many people are killed.
1:23Piers Morgan:This weekend, the Jerusalem Post published an editorial calling for the Pope to condemn Nick Fuentes. It's led his evidence that a man and a movement which many would rather pretend was a purely online phenomenon has become a very mainstream matter. As we've talked about on this show, conservatives are openly split between those who believe the likes of Fuentes should be silenced and ignored and those who believe the right is now dabbling in his own form of cancel culture, especially when it comes to the other major dividing line of Israel. More's the point. Many of the people clutching their pearls on both sides of the argument are failing to ask why he got so popular in the first place on whether MAGA needed and still needs the movement many would now like to disavow.
2:01Piers Morgan:Well, joining me to debate all this is Jake Shields from Fight Back Podcast, Ben Ferguson, co-host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz, Rabbi Shmooley, author, often known as America's Rabbi, and Richard Black, the founder of the Safari Journal Company and a right-wing commentator. OK, welcome to all of you. Rabbi Shmooley, welcome back to Uncensored. Nick Fuentes has a growing number of followers, a growing amount of influence, The more people are trying to cancel him, the more his views have become more widely disseminated and the more popular he seems to have got. What do you feel about this? And what do you think should be done about it?
2:40Nick Fuentes is not MAGA. He's MAG-GIT. He trades in being a subhuman mentally and conspiracy minded Neanderthal knuckle dragger. He is utterly ignorant. He knows no history. AND HE IS JUST USING A HITLERIAN PLAYBOOK. HE SAYS THAT HITLER IS HIS HERO. THERE IS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES, OF COURSE. YOU BECOME FAMOUS BY TARGETING JEWS. HE IS NOT ANTI-ISRAEL. HE IS AN ANTI-SEMITE. HE IS A HOLOCAUST DENIER. HITLER TRADED AN ANTI-SEMITISM BEGINNING IN 1921, 22 BECAUSE IT WAS THE WAY TO BECOME THE MOST FAMOUS. HISTORY HAS SHOWN IF YOU HATE THE JEWS, JEWS ARE A NEWS. So when you ask how did he become so famous, it is specifically his antisemitism.
3:26The question is, is he transactionally antisemitic or is he ideologically antisemitic? I think it's both. But the way he speaks about blacks, that blacks should all be returned to slavery, and that if you go to a black neighborhood, you're going to be stabbed in the neck that they're all murderers. We've seen this, of course, with Hitler, who wouldn't even shake Jesse Owens' hands when Jesse Owens dominated the 1936 Olympics, winning four gold medals. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT FUENTES IS PLAYING WITH FIRE BECAUSE IN THE SAME WAY THE NAZI MOVEMENT CULTIVATED HATRED THEY COULD NO LONGER CONTAIN, YOU HAVE TUCKER CARLSON SAYING OPENLY THAT FUENTES IS GAY, WHICH I COULDN'T CARE LESS.
4:00I HAVE A GAY BROTHER. BUT ERNST ROME, WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE SA, WAS KILLED BY HITLER IN LARGE PART BECAUSE HE WAS GAY. AND AT SOME POINT, FUENTES' FOLLOWERS ARE GOING TO TURN ON HIM BECAUSE JUST LIKE HITLER DIDN'T LOOK ARIAN IN FAMILY, THE FAMILY, THE SLIGHTEST, NEITHER, HE'S NOT THIS WHITE NORWEGIAN, ARIAN SUPERMAN. HE'S ACTUALLY A SHORT, WEIRD GUY, KIND OF LIKE THE WAY HITLER WAS. HE HAS ALL THESE WEIRD TICKS. HE'S FAMOUS BECAUSE HATRED SELLS. AND HATRED TOWARDS THE JEWS CELLS. AND WHEN YOU COME ALONG AND YOU STOKE THOSE FIRES OF SUCH INCENDIARY RACISM AGAINST BLACKS, AGAINST JEWS, IT'S GOING TO TURN ON YOU, AND I THINK FUENTES IS REALLY AT RISK FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE.
4:46I'M NEVER GOING TO TOUCH HIM. I WISH HIM A LONG LIFE AND INCREASING MARGINALIZATION AND INVISIBILITY. BUT I THINK THAT HIS OWN MAG-GIT MOVEMENT IS GOING TO TURN ON HIM.
4:56Piers Morgan:ALL RIGHT, RICHIE BLACK, I CAN SEE YOU PULLING SOME FACES THERE. SO YOU CAN RESPONSE. YEAH, WELL, I LOST COUNT, HONESTLY. I MEAN, I DON'T, I LOST COUNT OF how many lies that was just admitted. Where do we begin? Obviously Rabbi Shmuley is part of, obviously Rabbi Shmuley is part of the tone deaf majority who are more than likely the cause of the rise of Nick Fuentes. When you start off the conversation with lobbying insults first and foremost, and mentioning something about his height and his looks, you're completely neglecting the fact that at this point, and in my generation in particular, we see this as an emergency.
5:35We don't care about what he looks like. Mentioning that Hitler killed Strahm because he was homosexual, which is not true. That's obviously a very complicated thing. Or the Jesse Owens statement, which again, I believe Jesse Owens made a statement that Hitler actually called him to congratulate him, and the president of the U.S. at the time did not. So food for thought there. But this is a cheap tactic, and it's one that's been used, overly used, over and over. And I really want to warn people like Rabbi Shmuelian, anybody who uses this tactic, because ultimately what you're doing, what you're forcing people to do is to de-radicalize this movement, de-radicalize these words.
6:11When you lobby these words, anti-Semitism, and you say, well, you're not allowed at the table unless you're, if you're an anti-Semite. Well, you're putting it on us to first de-radicalize what it means to be an anti-Semite so we get a spot at the table. Nick Fuentes is correcting an imbalance in the conservative movement that's been going on for 20 years, 20 plus years, he's pointing out the obvious flaws that we need to pay attention, to pull away from foreign influence and control to become a sovereign nation once again. He's never said anything about putting blacks back in chains. And, you know, if you're going to go off of clip editing and then sensationalism, obviously he's very sensational right now, you're being intellectually dishonest.
6:50You're being... Well, let's play a clip.
6:51Piers Morgan:Let me play a clip of the 20s. And we can discuss this after we've watched it. What are all of these groups? Who are these people? What are they actually? The World Jewish Congress, the Jewish Leadership Conference, the Jewish Federations of North America. What are we to make of this? This is totally unique. There is no other group of people that does this. I'm Italian, Mexican, and Irish. Is there anything comparable for any of these groups? Is there a World Irish Congress chaired by billionaires and bankers? No, I mean, that strikes me as pretty openly anti-Semitic because of course there are plenty of groups around the world for all sorts of nationalities and religious and ethnic groups.
7:42Piers Morgan:Of course there are. We all know that. So the idea that somehow this is unique to Jewish people is preposterous. The guy is clearly anti-Semitic, isn't it? I mean, there's no... there's no... even pretends to not be. No, no, he's not. He's not. I'm going to jump in again. I'm sorry. HE'S NOT. YOU'RE TAKING A CLIP OUT OF CONTEXT. YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE THING. WHAT WAS HE OUT OF CONTEXT? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'M SAYING YOU HAVE TO REALLY LISTEN TO THE DISHONESTLY THAT STUFF. HANG ON, HANG ON, RABB ASHMULLA, YOU'RE THE WORST REPRESENTATIVE FOR YOUR SIDE. RITCHY BLACK, I'M VERY CURIOUS. THEY DID A REAL DISSERVICE.
8:14HANG ON, HANG ON.
8:16Piers Morgan:WHEN YOU SAY WE TOOK IT OUT OF CONTEXT, EXPLAIN HOW THAT WAS TAKEN. IT SEEMED PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD CONTEXT TO ME. I 'LL TELL YOU WHY. BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE IN THE FULL SCOPE OF EVERYTHING NICK SAYS, NOT ONLY IN ONE OF HIS SHOWS, BUT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. YOU KNOW, HIS FANS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOYAL TO HIM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING FOR AMERICA FIRST, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT JUST SHOWED UP YESTERDAY, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU REALLY LOSE OUT. YOUR NEGLIGENCE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT HIS FANS, HIS CONSTITUENTS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING HIM FOR 10 YEARS.
8:47YOU KNOW, THIS THING IS RICK IN NUANCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I WILL BRING YOU IN. I WILL BRING YOU IN.
8:57Piers Morgan:BUT JUST RITCHIE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU SAID THAT CLIP WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. IT WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WHAT WAS THE OUT OF CONTEXT? FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WHAT YOU'RE LOBBYING AS ANTISEMITISM. YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT, WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK HE HATES ALL JEWS. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING? WHAT DOES IT MEAN ANYMORE TO BE ANTI-SEMITIC? IF YOU SAY YOU OPENLY LOVE ADOLF HITLER, YOU PROBABLY DON'T CARE THAT HE MURDERED MILLIONS OF JEWS. I WOULD DEFINITELY ARGUE IF YOUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS ANY ADORATION FOR ADOLF HITLER IS OBVIOUSLY ANTI-SEMITIC THEN YOU YOURSELF HAVE NOT DIVED INTO HISTORY AND OR LOOKED THEM IS THE NEW AGE.
9:38THEM IS THE NEW AGE. I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE HEARING THIS. OF COURSE YOU CAN'T BELIEVE IT. THIS IS THE NEW AGE. THIS IS THE NEW AGE.
9:54YOU HAVE TOLD SO MANY LIES. Number one, Adolf Hitler never called Jesse Owens. That is a total fabrication. Wait, that is, that is a total, that is a total fabrication. Number two, number two, when Nick Fuente, no, no, no, let me speak, please. Number two, when Nick Fuente says that there is no other similar group like the Jewish Federation, you don't know how many Irish Americans supported the IRA. You know how many Mexican organizations have Latino Congresses? Listen, this is a conversation about Nick Fuentes and defending America first. And I am allowed to bring up... Excuse me. And I am allowed to bring up his appearance when he wants white Americans to rule America.
10:35You're talking over each other.
10:36Piers Morgan:Don't talk over each other, please. He won't let anyone speak. If you love him or you hate Jews... If you both talk at once, we can't hear either of you. We can't hear either if you talk at once. December is Heart Awareness Month, which makes you think differently about the busy holidays. Stress rises, routine slip, and our bodies, especially the heart and blood vessels, feel the impact. Supporting healthy circulation becomes more than a wellness goal. It's essential. That's why it's important to boost your natural nitric oxide levels to keep the blood moving. Blood Flow 7 by Juvenon is a natural daily supplement.
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11:56Piers Morgan:And to pretend that Fuentes is not gathering fame, infamy, whatever you want to call it, support, following, notoriety, attention, probably the thing he craves most, and making tons of money out of it, is to put your head in the sand. So he is a phenomenon that is getting bigger, not smaller. What is your view of Fuentes? Obviously, Tucker Carlson sat with him and got criticized for not going hard at him enough and so on. What is your view of Fuentes? I think, number one, he's a white supremacist, and I think he's an opportunist that has figured out how to make money being a white supremacist.
12:32Forget the Jewish issue for just a second. This is a guy a year and a half ago that talked about somebody littering in a neighborhood, saying it's a black guy, and it's always black people that do this, and he would kill him with Adolf Hitler. That's his exact words on his show. Quote, this is my neighborhood. I'm supposed to be mad at Hitler. I'm supposed to be crossed with Hitler. I want this guy dead. And I wish Hitler would kill him. I wish Hitler would have killed him. The guy should be killed. The guy should be killed for what that guy should be dragged from his car and beaten to death by the public.
13:04If I was in a room with Hitler and that guy, me and Hitler would team up and blank that guy up. We would kill that guy and we'd high five at the end. So this is an individual who hates anyone. It's not funny when you talk about dragging a black person. Don't talk at once.
13:24Piers Morgan:Let Ben finish his point, please. This is the difference between, and I'm glad that you guys are on the show because I actually think it does a great service to show the excommunication and the real conservative movement of white supremacists like you guys that laugh about killing black people or laugh about the Holocaust You picked the most people on the alternative right, by the way.
14:12Tucker Carlson, it's Nick Fuentes. It's an extremely small group, all of them making money off of, I think, real racists and gathering them together and then acting as if they have this power. They're just making money and trolling you guys with their white supremacy. So I'm glad that they're being called out. I'm glad that they're being exposed. I think the scary part is they do gather people just like the KKK did back in the day, just like Adolf Hitler did, just like Mussolini and Stalin and many others have. But the difference here is at least the conservative movement, many of my good friends in the movement are calling them out on a daily basis because they understand the threat it is to conservatism and we police our own.
14:53So I'm sorry you guys want to be associated with them. I'm sorry that you think the Holocaust didn't happen or gas chambers didn't happen or black people should be killed or dragged or the N-word is appropriate to refer to African-Americans. But this is white supremacy 101. All right, no, hang on. I WILL CONTROL THE PANEL.
15:12Piers Morgan:THE JERUSALEM POST EDITORIAL WHICH TEED UP THIS DEBATE SAID THAT FUENTIS AND CANDICE OWENS REPRESENT A DIRECT AND DANGEROUS CHALLENGE. THEY UNDERMINE DECADES OF RECONCILIATION BETWEEN CATHOLICS AND JEWS AND THEY PRAY ON YOUNG CATHOLICS OFFERING THEM A VISION THAT FUSES RELIGIOUS IDENTITY WITH OUTRIGHT BIGOTRY. THE LONGER THE VATICAN REMAINS SILENT THE MORE THEIR POISON SPREADS. BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE OTHER PANELISTS, BEN, DO YOU THINK THE Pope should speak out. Of course. And look, real leaders lead on issues like this, and they don't see how many followers they may gain or lose. I think that's the saddest part about what you're witnessing with not only the Pope and the lack of leadership there, but with people like Tiger Carlson.
15:52I think he's been isolated since he lost his TV show. I think he's found a new audience in white supremacists. I think he gives an audience to these supremacists to come on, and he does make a hell of a lot of money. I mean, if your goal is to be a multimillionaire and to stack cash, it works. Candace and Tucker are part of that. Nick is part of that. But there's others that have to call them out and be loud about it. I don't do this because I'm trying to make money. I do this because I love this country. There is right and wrong. There's a line in the sand, and I say to every conservative I know out there, you're either on the side of Tucker and Candace and Nick and you're white supremacist that hate Jews and denies the Holocaust, or you're on the side of right and wrong.
16:28That's where we are.
16:29Piers Morgan:All right, let me bring in. Pierce, Pierce. Hang on. I would say that I don't look I think he said a lot of things there about Tucker in particular I've just spent some time with Tucker today in London actually for his show and I don't recognize some of the things he said about him just to be clear I don't think he hates Jews for example I don't think he likes him I think he hates Jews. But this is what I would say to Tucker. And I saw Tucker recently. I've known Tucker for a really long time, Piers. The problem I have with Tucker is you're dabbling in anti-Semitism by saying, well, I'm not the guy saying it, but let me give a seat at the table to a very large audience of people that are saying it.
17:15You're using Stooges to say it and giving them a platform. That is no different than giving a safe haven to a terrorist if you're in the Middle East or to somebody that's killing the Jews YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND SAY I AM NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE BUT PLEASE ANTI-SEMITES COME ON MY SHOW AND LET'S FESTER THIS EVIL IN THE WORLD.
17:39Piers Morgan:I HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS SHOW SINCE THE START OF THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS FOR EXAMPLE WHO MANY ON THE JEWISH SIDE WOULD SAY ARE ANTI-SEMITES. SIMULTANEOUSLY THOSE ON THE TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR OWNERS. WAIT A MINUTE, THOSE ON THE PALESTINIANS SIDE MAKE THE SAME CHARGE AGAINST WHAT THEY SAY ARE THE ZIONIST TERRORISTS ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT DEPENDS WHO YOU TALK TO. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. WAIT A MINUTE, RABBI SCHMULI. I WANT TO BRING JAKESN'T SPOKEN YET. JAKESHIELDS, YOU INTERVIEWED
18:24Piers Morgan:YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THIS. I'M HERE WITH THE NOTORIOUS NICK. IT'S A VERY INTERESTING GUEST BECAUSE YOU ARE SO VILIFIED. I KIND OF BELIEVE IT. I REMEMBER HEARING YOUR NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISTS. THE ONLY THING I SAW WAS NEGATIVITY ABOUT YOU. NEGATIVITY AND YOU HAD NO VOICE. YOU WERE BANNED FROM LITERALLY EVERYTHING. I THINK I STARTED TEXTING YOU. we had a couple phone calls and you were so not the guy that I thought you were. And then we have a year ago or something we met up, had dinner in Chicago and it was just you seem like such a genuine normal guy. And that's when I'm like, all right, I was completely lied to.
19:02I was wrong about this guy. I wanna do something, try to help you get mainstream again a little bit, which you are starting to slowly move that direction. I just think it was crazy how bad they were able to vilify you.
19:15Piers Morgan:I mean, all what I would say, Jake Shields, it's not that crazy when you judge him by what he's actually said on the record. I'll give you some examples. A lot of women want to be raped, but they have to pretend that they don't. Jim Crow was better for black people, but who cares? White people are every bit justified in being racist. Hitler was really fucking cool. He compared the Holocaust to baking 6 million cookies. Now, none of those things strike me as being anything but utterly repellent. And yet you decided he was mischaracterized. Yes, because will you let me talk? First off, I met him to a black friend.
19:54You're saying he wants to kill black people. If you watch his show, he jokes a lot. Humor, Generation Z. You guys don't understand that. And when he was talking about girls getting raped, he was talking about rape fantasies. 56 % of girls, or maybe it was like 77 % of girls have rape fantasies. This is the reality. He's not saying he wants to rape girls The cooking thing, look up the numbers. They say it was, they claim they were burning bodies in 10 minutes. It takes 90 minutes to burn a body now. So there's a little bit of validity to that argument. Nick was nice, respectful. But you're denying the 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.
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20:29Piers Morgan:Are you denying those graves? I'm just saying, I'm saying it doesn't match up with the furnaces. I don't know. I'm not making a comment on that. I'm saying there's some holes in it. You are. You're questioning, you're questioning, you're questioning the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust. Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and Optimum Night all-natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them with incredible results. Optimum Day boosts your energy and supports weight loss throughout the day. Optimum Night helps you relax and get deep, refreshing sleep.
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21:47How fast would it have been acceptable to you? It's ridiculous.
21:50Piers Morgan:How fast would it be acceptable to you? Pierce, God, I mean, it's scary. I don't even care about the gas chamber thing. Pierce, Pierce, Pierce. You don't even care about the gas chamber thing. I think you just expressed a desire you did. If you were Jewish, you would. I will let Rabbi Schmooley respond to that point. I don't think they burned bodies that fast. But can I finish my point? Jake Shields, Jake Shields, Jake. I didn't even get to the point I was trying to make. I don't give a shit about that. Hold on. How many people do you think were killed in the Holocaust? You don't give an SHIT about 6 million Jews being killed.
22:19I don't fucking know how many people were killed. That's the point. We know you don't. Hold on, hold on. That's amazing. I don't know how many was killed, and I don't believe it was 6 million. But I'm not trying to have a Holocaust debate. That's crazy.
22:29Piers Morgan:You literally are trying to have a Holocaust debate. You can't expect me to be silent when someone denies the Holocaust in front of the entire KNOW ABOUT THEIR WORLD. LET ME JUST BE CLEAR. I DIDN'T DENY THE HOLOCAUST. I THINK THE NUMBER WAS EXAGGERATED. EXCUSE ME. CAN WE GET BACK TO OUR SUBJECT? THIS IS NOT AN MMA FIGHT. THIS IS A DEBATE. NUMBER ONE, PIOX XII REMAINS IN IGNOMINY AND WILL NOT BE BEATIFIED OR MADE INTO A SAINT BY THE CHURCH BECAUSE HE WAS SILENT ABOUT HITLER AND NOW
23:07WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT. HOW MANY CHRISTIANS DIED IN WORLD WAR II? HE WILL IMMEASURABLY UNDERMINE HIS MORAL STANCE. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE UTTER LIZE AND IGNORANCE OF PEOPLE LIKE JAKE SHIELDS. JAKE SHIELDS DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING. IF I ASK THE NAMES OF I did their magic furnaces. My Donnick, Gross Rosen, Vergen-Belsen. And ass furnaces. Yeah, I know all those. Stop, stop the furnaces. On every single one, they keep jumping numbers down. By the way, by the way, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, forget how many, how long it takes to burn a body.
23:38Let me ask you one question. Since you're a great Nazi lover like Nick Foyntes. Sure. Why is it the Third Reich? What is the Third Reich? Just tell me, what is the Third Reich? Where's the first two Reichs? What are they? I'm not a Nazi. You don't even know. I don't know. You have no clue. No, no, no. You have no clue about what even the third Reich is. There was the Holy Roman Empire, then there was Wilhelm II, then there was, you don't know anything. You're just using something about crematorium. But I do know for instance can't burn bodies in 10 minutes. What I do know, what I do know is the reason why you want to, the reason why, the reason why you want to minimize the Holocaust This isn't what I was trying to talk about.
24:10I had a point that I was trying to make. Is because Jewish life to you is like cattle being slaughtered. But in the same way you don't know... That's how you think of a Palestinian child. All right, let me jump in. Let me jump in.
24:23Piers Morgan:Let me jump in. I can't speak. I'm jumping in. All right, Rabbi Shmuley. I am jumping in. Rabbi Shmuley, let me speak. I would say this, Jake Shields. I say about all life equally. Hang on. Hang on. You say you don't want to talk about the Holocaust, and yet you're the one that brought it up. You're the one questioning the number of people who were killed. That is deeply offensive. Because you brought it up. That is deeply offensive to Jewish people. Well, no, I read you some quotes by Fuentes. Right, but you say you don't want to talk about it and then you say something that you... You have no basis for your argument.
24:54Piers Morgan:You have no basis to justify your argument. I have a lot of basis. Well, you don't, actually. They couldn't have cooked that big of these. You don't. And actually, what you're saying... How many crematories... He doesn't even know how many... Please don't all talk at once. Please don't all talk at once or nobody can hear a word. Nobody can hear any of you. No one can hear any of you if you all talk at once. Now, here's my point. My point to you, Jake Shields, is you said something deliberately inflammatory, which you knew would be deeply offensive. You brought the Holocaust. Huh? Well, the math doesn't add up.
25:32The math doesn't add up. Can I finish my point that I was trying to make? Well, finish the point you were trying to make. Anybody who's listening, anybody who's listening. You know what? There's a Holocaust going on today in Gaza.
25:44Piers Morgan:What's the point you were going to make? Really? Really? There's a Holocaust going on today in Gaza? There's a hug. Which Holocaust? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Please stop talking all at once. See, this is. I'll let you respond, Rabbi Shmuley. Why don't you. But unless people make their points, there's no point having a debate. So let him finish his point. Rabbi, I agree. Right. Please shut up, all of you. Jake Shields, make your point now. May I respond? I just tried to say he's speaking Generation Z because they feel left out. HE TALKED ABOUT ISRAEL TO HE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING COSTS ARE GOING UP.
26:15TRUMP HAS BETRAYED US. HE SAID NO MORE FOREIGN WARS. WHAT DOES HE DO? BOMBS IRAN. HE DIDN'T STOP THE WAR AND YOU GOT RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. HE ALLOWED ISRAEL TO SLAUGHTER THE MOST BRUTAL THING WE 'VE EVER SEEN IN GAZA. HE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE WAR WITH VENEZUELA. INFLATION IS UP. He's betrayed Thomas Massey and Green. What's he do? He's bringing over tons of visas for Chinese and Indian workers to give away to the high-paying jobs. Regular Americans suffering. The young people, a lot of boomers don't understand. It's tough out there, and he speaks directly to them. And he jokes a lot. He's not a racist.
26:52He has his humor. You guys don't get, like, the Generation Z humor. It's edgier. They don't care about World War II. I don't. I DON'T THINK SAYING HIT WAS REALLY FUNKING COOL. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. I WILL COME TO EACH OF YOU,
27:10Piers Morgan:BUT PLEASE LET EACH OTHER SPEAK. OTHERWISE NOBODY CAN HEAR YOU. I CAN PROMISE YOU THE VIEWERS AT HOME, IF YOU ALL START TALKING, NO ONE CAN HEAR ANY OF YOU. BEN? YEAH, THERE'S THREE THINGS HERE. ONE, I'M GLAD WHAT YOU JUST WITNESSED WAS SAID, AND THIS GOES I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER. YOU HAVE A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT'S VERY SMALL THAT IS OUT THERE SAYING ABSURD THINGS LIKE THE HOLOCAUST DIDN'T HAPPEN, THEY DIDN'T COOK THAT MANY COOKIES REFERRING TO JEWISH LIVES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO SHOOT SOMEBODY IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD? YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO DIG A MASS GRAVE?
27:45HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO DO A GAS CHAMBER? THE IDEA THAT YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING PEOPLE THAT ARE JEWISH. THEY DIDN'T BURN 6 MILLION, MY FRIEND. IF YOU ACTUALLY STUDYED THE HOLOCAUST AND YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAPPENED AND YOU HAVE GONE TO WHERE THIS HAPPENED, YOU HAVE IT, DUDE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD NOT SAY SOMETHING THAT'S INCOMPETENT BASED ON FACTS. YOU'RE SAYING IT BASED ON REGURGITATING, SAYING YOU HEARD FROM NICK OR SOMEBODY ELSE. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO ISRAEL? I HAVE BEEN TO THE KIBUTZ. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE KIBUTZ? YES, I HAVE. YOU HAVE BEEN TO GERMANY.
28:16AND YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE KIBUTZES. AND YOU HAVE BEEN TO GAZA WHERE I HAVE BEEN. I WASN'T ALLOWED IN GAZA BUT I HAVE BEEN TO ISRAEL. YOU HAVE BEEN TO WHERE PEOPLE WERE MURDERED. JEWS WERE KILLED IN GERMANY. HAVE YOU DONE THAT AS WELL? NO. NO. OKAY. SO YOU READ IT FROM SOMEONE. AND YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE CHANGING PEOPLE'S MINDS BY IMPLYING THAT ONE OF THE WORST MOMENTS IN THE WORLD'S HISTORY, THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DOWNPLAY AND THEN SAY, WELL, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T BURN AS MANY BODIES. MAYBE BECAUSE THEY SHOT THEM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD OR PUT THEM IN GAS CHAMPERS. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
29:00I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE NUMBER.
29:13ANYONE WATCHING RIGHT NOW SEEING YOU ACTING AS IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE. THAT IS ANTI-SEMITISM. I THINK THAT'S ANTI-SEMITISM BUT I THOUGHT THEY WERE I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT THE COST AND THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS. YOU ARE LITERALLY DOWNPLAYING IT AND IMPLYING THEM. I THOUGHT THIS CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT FORTABILITY. I THOUGHT THIS CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT FORTABILITY. I THOUGHT THIS CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT FORTABILITY. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION TO ALL OF YOU, PLEASE? WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE JEWS? SO I'M BEING TOLD BY MR. BLACK AND MR. SHIELDS THAT NICK PUERENTY APPEALS TO A Wait, wait, wait, please, please, please let me speak, and I won't interrupt you.
29:52I'm being told that Nick Fuentes appeals to a crass generation with an incredible sense of humor about rape and about blacks being criminals and Jews being cookies who are big. But he doesn't mean it. But he appeals to them because of affordability and because they're being left out, and that was the MAGA movement. How did this come back to whether the Jews, six million Jews were killed? How did this come back to the Jews control the banks? How did this come back to the Jews' community of genocide? I can answer that question. Wait, wait, wait. No, don't interrupt me, please. Please don't interrupt me.
30:19Nick Fuentes doesn't appeal to any social or economic policies. He appeals to pure, unadulterated antisemitism, which is why, if we've been speaking now for 40 minutes, 39 minutes have been about the Jews. I have every right to bring up the appearance of Nick Fuentes when his whole thing is about appearance. White supremacy. Why are white people superior to black people? Let me go on. How does Israel come into this conversation? No one here believes that I don't think. Nick Fuentes didn't criticize Israel. He criticized the American Jewish Congress. He thinks Jews have no place here. But let me ask you a question when I say that his movement will turn against him.
30:59It will not bring the Jewish community who will bring Nick Fuentes down. He's going to self-implode. He's going to step on a metaphorical grenade. As he said, he's Irish. He's Mexican. He's gay. His people hate anyone who are not part of the Aryan white supremacy. and they're going to turn on him like they did on Ernst Ruhm 1934. Night of the Long Night. All right, let me bring it. Let him be gay for a while. All right, but don't all talk at once. Thank you. Don't all start shouting. It's about Jew hatred, Jew hatred, Jew hatred.
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32:08Piers Morgan:Shopmando.com. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. MANDO HAS GOT YOU COVERED. FIRST AND FOREMOST, RABBI SCHMULI, YOU HAVE PUT YOUR FOOT SO FAR IN YOUR OWN MOUTH THAT YOU'RE CHOKING ON IT. THE REST OF CON INK AND NEOCONS ARE DROWNING AS WELL. THIS IS WHY THEY'RE PANICKING, BY THE WAY. I LIKE BEING ON THIS PANEL BECAUSE YOU GUYS MAKE ME FEEL YOUNG, BY THE WAY. YOU MAKE ME FEEL YOUNG IN A PANEL FULL OF FOSSILS. I WANT TO ADDRESS, BY THE WAY, WHAT DAVE SAID EARLIER ABOUT NICK. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS SOMEBODY WHO IS CATHOLIC. I have a real big problem with what you just said about him pulling Catholic young men.
32:45Is it Dave? The guy in the middle. I already lost his name. Sorry. Ben. What's the guy in the middle? Ben. Sorry. It would be Ben. It would be Ben. Okay. Sorry. So, Ben, you mentioned that Nick is pulling Catholic young men down the wrong road. You don't know these people. I didn't say that. These are my friends. No, you're suggesting that the Jerusalem Post should, in fact, don't interrupt me. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't say that. I just swear. YOU SAID I DIDN'T SAY THAT. LET ME MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT. IT WAS THE JERUSALEM POST
33:14Piers Morgan:THAT SAID IT, NOT BEN. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I WAS CORRECTING YOU. DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. YOU WERE DEFENDING THE POSITION OF THE JERUSALEM POST TO DO THIS, RIGHT? I KNOW A LOT OF THESE YOUNG MEN WHO HAVE STARTED LOST, ADDICTED TO PORNOGRAPHY, ADDICTED TO VIOLENCE, ADDICTED TO ALL change their lives. They become better people. Some of these people - Many people that watch him also become white supremacists. No, no, they don't. No, they don't. I'll tell you right now - Yes, they do. Oh, my gosh. I think that would insult Nick Fuentes. Let me finish talking. You don't even know what a white supremacist is.
33:53I guarantee you. And you know what? I'm looking at one right now. I'm looking at one right now. I know what a white supremacist looks like. I don't want to correct you. I almost don't want to correct you. Because you know what? If I correct you and you eventually figure it out, If you eventually figure out what you're doing wrong, then we will lose in terms of those who are coming up and taking control of the conservative movement. Because you guys are real. You're not ever going to win this battle. You're played out. As long as I'm right. You are a white supremacist. You said I don't know what one looks like.
34:21You're literally a definition of a white supremacist. You can't even define white supremacist. And you pick Jake Shields and me to bring it. I absolutely can. You want me to say it again? We have plenty of Jewish friends. I got a black friend. I got one black friend. I got a Jewish friend. Well, certainly you're not a threat if you're obviously willing to work with Jewish American voices. Obviously, you're not a threat if you're willing to host black people on your show. You have no idea what a white supremacist is. I'll tell you right now. What is your definition of white supremacist? Someone that wants to kill black people and Jews and anyone that doesn't look like them.
34:54What is your definition of a white supremacist? I will give you the definition if you just shut up. Please, tell me. I'll give you the definition, but let me finish my thought and I will move to that definition, okay? You haven't figured out on the fly? This is the problem. I don't have to figure out on the fly. You don't even know how to define it? I know you're not a white supremacist. Nick is obviously not a white supremacist. Give it a rest. First of all, a white supremacist is what? What is your definition of a white supremacist? That white people are supreme? This is not the conversation we're having, okay?
35:24And also, because you're hanging out with white supremacists. No. First and foremost, Nick Foyne said, I'm not trying to figure that out. I'm not trying to figure that out. I let you finish. I let you finish. Let me finish. But you cannot dominate the entire show. Make your point. What's a white supremacist? Say it already. Spin it out. What is a white supremacist? Stop teasing us. This is where we've arrived. They're not a host teasing a commercial. This is where we've arrived, by the way. What is a white supremacist, Mr. Black? Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Let me intervene.
35:57LET ME INTERVENE.
36:01Piers Morgan:LET ME INTERVENE. LET ME INTERVENE. LET ME ASK RITCHY BLACK.
36:11Piers Morgan:SHUT UP, PLEASE. WHAT IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST? A WHITE SUPREMACIST IS SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES WHITE PEOPLE ARE SUPREME OVER ALL RACIST. Nick obviously doesn't feel that way. I don't feel that way. Jake doesn't feel that way. We are American nationalists and this threatens you. Yes, I've never watched the show. We're young and this threatens you. We're replacing neocons and this is threatening you. Oh my gosh. Connie is drowning and this threatens you. I actually thought you were smarter than this. I actually - America first is on the rise. America must rise to the occasion. And as far as somebody who said he was an opportunist, Nick just started the America First Foundation.
36:44That would be me, by the way. Everyone go donate, by the way. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO IT. I'M GOING TO DO IT. I'M GOING TO DO IT. I'M GOING TO DO IT. I'M GOING TO DO IT. IF YOU LOOK AT ME AND NICK ON TWITTER, WE ARE CONSTANTLY BEING ATTACKED BY THE REAL WHITE SUPREMACISTS. THESE PEOPLE GO HARD AFTER US THAN THEY DO YOU GUYS. THEY ARE MAD WE ARE NOT TAKING THEIR STANCE. YOU GUYS ARE RACE TRADERS, THIS AND THAT. WE STICK UP FOR ALL RACES. that want to have our ideality. We're sick of Israel. This country gives them billions of dollars. What do they do? They bomb us, killing 34 Americans.
37:18I'm wearing anti-semitism. Philip Turney, a real patriot, gave me this shirt. Finally, God. Yes, the truth. The Levant Affair. It's about Jews, Jews, Jews. They have anti-semitism right there. It's about Israel, Israel, Israel. All four of you are currently choking. American traders that support Israel over America. It's America first, America only. We are sick and tired of working for Israel. We are done serving your country. You should move to Israel. I got it. I got it. I got it. By the way, by the way, Pierce, may I speak, please, without their interruption? Oh, yeah. Not wanting Americans to be killed.
37:53My friend, Phil, 30, 34. Mr. Shields, please. 34 Americans were killed, and I'm anti-Semitic. Bring that up. Please, please control yourself. Mr. Shields. You guys are the ones killing Americans. Pierce, may I speak? Pierce, may I speak, please? Yeah, yeah. Mr. Shields. No, go ahead. I'm letting you. May I point out, Mr. Shields, that we're in the 250th birthday of the United States. If France had not come with their fleet to Yorktown, you would be still speaking with a British accent. Democracy support one another, and Israel is the only democracy. But Israel is a tiny, tiny fragment of what American aid goes to.
38:29Ukraine has received$100 billion in American aid over the past two years. I'm against that. That doesn't bother you. Wait, wait, wait. And you know why? I'm against that. You know why it doesn't bother you? You know why it doesn't bother you? No, but you didn't say I'm tired of the Ukrainians controlling America. You said Israel. Hold on. You are interrupting me. You are interrupting me. You said the Jew, you said the Jew, then you said that you're sick of my country. I was born in frickin' Los Angeles, California, you damn racist. So stop it. But you represent Israel. Jews can be as American as you.
38:57Now, number two. Now, number two. Now, excuse me, don't interrupt me. I love Israel with all my heart. Number two, just like Irish Americans still love Ireland. Number two. Number two, when you say that someone, Mr. Black, is not a white supremacist because they think that it's about America first, that's pure garbage. You are the Klan. You are Nathan Bedford Forrest. Great. You are the Confederacy. The Confederacy was all about believing, excuse me, excuse me, that white, that's the color of someone's skin made them automatically superior. Not their character, not their morality, not their values, not their sacrifice.
39:29Wait, wait, wait, and I'll tell you more, and I'll tell you more, and I will tell you more. and Mr. Black and Mr. Shields, you're saying that America is controlled by Israel? Do you know how many 450 ,000 Americans died because they're controlled by Israel? Wait, wait, France, Belgium, Holland, the Netherlands, Norway, why doesn't that bother you? Our presidents don't go kiss a wall over there. 500 ,000 Americans liberated Europe. All right, Donald starts shouting again. All right, you guys, excuse me, I will finish, I will finish. Can you all be quiet, please? You just talk and talk and talk.
40:03I want to play another clip.
40:05Piers Morgan:I want to play another clip. They will not let me speak. I want to play another clip. They will not let me speak. I'm going to speak. So, Ben, I want to play a clip. This is certainly changing the topic a little bit, but still on Fuentes. I want to play something he said about populism and the potential alliance, which we may have seen a bit of, by the way, with Mamdani and Trump in the Oval Office. Let's take a listen. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. The message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. please for the love of everything good in this world stop with mint you can get premium wireless for just 15 a month of course if you enjoy overpaying no judgments but that's weird okay one judgment anyway give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch up front payment of 45 for three-month plan equivalent to 15 per month required intro rate first three months only then full price plan options available taxes and fees extra see full terms at mintmobile.com Why don't we have populist Republicans and populist Democrats that just solve problems?
41:05Just solve problems for Americans. And by the way, I am willing to compromise with the left hundred percent. I'll work with anybody. I saw the track APAC people. It's some progressive woman and some progressive gay guy. I'd work with them on shutting down AIPAC in a second, in a heartbeat. Same goes for Anna Kaspari and Cenk Uygur. They were in favor of democratic populism. They want to deliver healthcare. They want to deliver education. I would work with them in a second, in a second, as Zoran Mamdani all day.
41:48Piers Morgan:No, I did think that was interesting in the CONTEXT OF WHAT WE SAW IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH MANDANI AND TRUMP, IT WAS A VERY UNLIKELY CAMERADERY THAT DEVELOPED AFTER THEIR PRIVATE MEETING WHICH WAS ON PUBLIC DISPLAY. WHAT DO YOU READ INTO THAT, BEN? AND THIS THEORY OF THE HORSESHOE EFFECT THAT POPULARISM ON BOTH SIDES CAN KIND OF CONVERGE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF AMERICA? YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK DEMOCRATS THAT SAY THAT ARE FULL OF IT. AND WE SAW THAT FROM WHAT MANDANI SAID ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AFTER THAT MEETING THE NEXT DAY WHEN HE ATTACKED HIM YET AGAIN. I THINK THAT MEETING THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD WAS A SMART ONE.
42:25THE REASON WHY IS I THINK YOU MEET WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE POLITICALLY THE OPPOSITE OF YOU. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S KIM JONG UNG OR THE GUY MENDANI. I WANT TO KNOW MY ENEMY. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. AND I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO BEAT THEM. I THINK STUDYING PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST YOU IS AN IMPORTANT THING IN POLITICS. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE SMARTEST THINGS ABOUT DONALD
42:49I THINK THAT'S A SMART MOVE BY A WORLD LEADER. I THINK THAT'S A SMART MOVE BY A WORLD LEADER. I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S A REAL THREAT RIGHT NOW AS WE 'VE SEEN TWO DECLARED SOCIALISTS WIN IN MAJOR CITIES IN AMERICA AS MAYOR. WE'RE SEEING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IMPLODE. IT IS NOW RUN BY SOCIALISTS, MARXISTS AND COMMUNISTS. I SAID THIS ON YOUR SHOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DEAD. IT HAS BEEN MASQUERATING AS SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS AND COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS. NOW THEY ARE SAYING SCREW IT. THIS IS WHO WE ARE. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT MEETING. THE IDEA THAT DEMOCRATS WHO HELD AMERICA HOSTAGE AND SHUT DOWN OUR GOVERNMENT JUST TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS AND LITERALLY VOTE AGAINST FOOD STAMPS, THE PEOPLE THEY CLAIM THEY WANT TO FEED, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY WOULDN'T PAY GOVERNMENT WORKERS WOULD SOMEHOW COME TOGETHER AND WORK WITH DONALD TRUMP OR AS FUENTES DESCRIBED IT.
43:39LIKE THAT'S A PIPEDREAM BASED IN TOTAL INSANITY. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS BROKEN NOW. THEY'RE IN THEIR OWN CIVIL WAR RIGHT NOW WITH AOC AND THE OTHERS. AND SO I CAN'T IMAGINE RIGHT NOW WORKING WITH THEM BECAUSE THE PARTY IS TRYING TO DESTROY. AOC LITERALLY IS THE LEADER AND MANDANI AND CHUCK SCHUMER ISN'T EXTREME ENOUGH FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW. PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE HIS THEM. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT.
44:03Piers Morgan:IF THEY'RE SO EXTREME, WHY WAS TRUMP SO CORDEAL TO HIM IN PUBLIC? I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU MEET WITH SOMEBODY YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU DON'T WALK IN THERE LIKE IT'S A FIGHT AND PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE. YOU LEARN ABOUT THEM AND FIGURE THEM OUT AND SEE WHAT THE REAL THREAT IS AND WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT. I 'VE DEBATED A LOT OF LIBERALS who I walk away from and I look at a buddy and I'm like, that person's insane. I mean, I'll do that today. I'll be like, man, I met with a lot of white supremacists today. I learned something about their hatred and their, quote, America first. Like, I'm going to take something away from this hour and go, all right, there's a real threat here from people that are claiming that America first is white supremacy.
44:40That's what they're masquerading it as. You tell us not to interrupt them when he calls us white supremacy. I think that Trump, I think that Trump, I think that Trump played, Mom, Donnie brilliantly. Yeah, that's such a low ground effort. Trump won that interaction with Mom Donnie clearly. Because what Trump. One of you couldn't even get my name right and you're like the weasel you are, you know nothing about me. You know nothing about me. Your relevance is affecting my memory a little bit. You're a nobody. I'm a nobody. You're not gonna be on TV for a decade, but I'm a nobody now. Got it, that's good.
45:20You're all talking at the same time.
45:24Piers Morgan:I have no idea what any of you are saying. Pierce, may I say, Pierce. Why would you make such a ridiculous lie? MAGA is Donald Trump, and Trump has rejected Tucker Carlson as a kook. MAGA is mega. Trump has rejected Fuentes and said he, excuse me, he called him a kook. Yes, he did on Twitter, on X. And he said that he met Fuentes and he utterly repudiated him and Kanye won't meet with any of these people. He kicked out Marjorie Taylor Greene with her laser laser laser laser. Marjorie Taylor Greene's gone. Massey. Excuse me, Mr. Black. Excuse me, Mr. Black. I didn't say the thing. That's what I mean.
45:55Trump is kicking out every anti-Semite and every - They're very angry he is, by the way. He's like a fat dog. Now, excuse me, excuse me. Now, Pierce, Pierce, to answer your question, I think Trump played Mamdani like a fiddle. I think it was an act of political genius. What he basically did is understand that Mamdani appeals to only one set of people. I'm not talking the Islamists who globalized the intifada. Affordability, sustainability. Here in New York City, where I am right now, it really is an issue. And Trump's whole base are working-class people who have been forgotten. Remember in 2017, his first inaugural, the invisible man will be invisible no more.
46:29He understands Mamdani has tapped into something. And much better to co-opt that agenda and say that the Republican Party are going to deliver affordability and against inflation and making groceries affordable. TRUMP IS A MASTER TACTICIAN. IT TOOK A GENIUS TO PULL OFF THAT BECAUSE MUNDANI WANTED HIM TO BE THE ENEMY AND MUNDANI FAILED. ALL RIGHT.
46:53Piers Morgan:THAT'S ENOUGH. RICHY BLACK, YOUR RESPONSE. ALL RIGHT. THE TRUTH IS ON OUR SIDE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M LISTENING TO THESE GUYS TALK AND I'M THINKING THERE'S GOING TO COME A DAY, RIGHT, WHEN WE DO ASSUME POWER OF THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AND SAY, WOW, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THOUGHTS WE HAD, ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE WE WERE ACTUALLY WRONG. THEY WERE REALLY AIMING TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY WERE FACED WITH. MOVING FORWARD, THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING THIS DEBATE IS PRODUCTIVE. AT THE END OF THE DAY. WHAT WILL YOU DO? WHEN YOU TAKE CONTROL, WHAT WILL YOU DO?
47:25WHAT ARE YOUR POLICIES? GO AHEAD. I 'LL LET YOU SPEAK. YOU SAID ONE DAY WE 'LL TAKE CONTROL. WHAT ARE YOUR POLICIES? BAKING JUICE AND COOKIES. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S THE SAME OLD TROPE. I WOULD CUT UP POPPORN. Mr. Black, when you take control, what will you do with America? Go ahead. I'm just making sure you're done. Are you done? I was about to say cut off all foreign aid to Israel and influence from Israel. That would be step number one. That's$3 billion. That's.00001 % of the$20 trillion GDP. Go ahead. That's one thing. I would cut all foreign aid. Isn't it funny that the minute that we talk about ending a relationship with Israel, The moment we talk about ending the relationship with Israel.
48:08Next. The moment we talk about ending the relationship with Israel. Rabbi, I want to hear what he says. What's your second policy?
48:18Piers Morgan:Let him speak, Rabbi Shmuley. Israel the Jews. We can't hear his policies if you keep talking. Okay, go ahead. I was just saying it's quite funny that the minute we talk about ending relationships with Israel, the first thing Rabbi Shmuley does is talk about money. Say your policies. Say your policies. If you keep speaking over them, all I do is speak over them. Yeah, I'm not doing this, Rabbi. I'm not doing this with you. I'm not doing this shouting. He doesn't have one policy. It's not about having policy. I have plenty actually. So his whole policy is white supremacy. We're gonna put the white people in charge.
48:51We're gonna get rid of the Jews. We're gonna defund Israel. Let them go, Jake. Let them go. They're really putting the clown mask on. Let them go. Is all you do - No, no, no, no, sir. You have no policies at all. White supremacist, white supremacist, blah, blah. I named a few. It's the same old trope. Foreign aid, ban AIPAC from far. There's a couple right there. There is no foreign aid. Elon Musk ended USAID. There is no foreign aid. Stop printing money. You don't even read the newspapers. There is no foreign policy. There is no foreign aid. There is no foreign aid. There is foreign aid. AIPAC doesn't have to register.
49:22AIPAC doesn't have to register. AIPAC does not have to register, by the way. Throwing that out there. Okay. Is AIPAC the Jews? Is that your question? People like you have way more anti-Semitism than me, Rabbi Shmuley.
49:35Piers Morgan:All right, I have no idea what any of you are talking about. Blame me, it's like, I know, I know, I know, I know. We Jews are responsible for anti-Semitism. My yarmulke, my existence is why you hate me. And that's true. Listen, listen, no, no, no, I get it. I don't hate Jews. I asked you for your policies, and the only thing you have is an obsession with me. And you know what it is? You guys are so jealous, so ambiguous. I named a few, but you kept coming off so didn't get it anymore. Yeah, I'm really jealous of you. I WANT TO WAIT WITH A FINAL QUESTION. I WANT TO WAIT WITH A FINAL QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY.
50:08Piers Morgan:I WANT A ONE-LINE ANSWER FROM ALL OF YOU. ALL RIGHT, JAKE, WHO IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? UM, THOMAS MASSEY, HOPEFULLY. BEN? I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I HAVE NO IDEA AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE DOES EITHER RIGHT NOW. IT'S WAY TOO FAR AWAY. GIVE ME A NAME. WHO IS ON THE SHORT LIST? No, who do you think at the moment would be your favorite to win? My favorite would, I mean, would be Ted Cruz. Okay. Rabbi Shmuley. Oh, my God. My good friend, Robert Kennedy Jr. I think he, first of all, he's a great supporter of Israel for all those who hate Israel. I think that I don't agree with everything on vaccines.
50:47I'm fully vaxxed, but I think that Bobby does get Generation Z, Generation X. I think he has that mystique. And finally, I think he's extremely authentic. But I would also like to see Rubio or Ted Cruz, but Bobby would be my first choice. Okay.
50:59Piers Morgan:and Richie Black. What is the question? The question is who will be the next president of the United States in 2020? Not who I want, but who I think will be. Who do you think will be? Yeah, J.D. Vance and I'm not happy about it. Okay. Oh, yeah. I gave who I wanted, so... Okay, well, who do you think it will be? It will be Thomas Massey, so I don't... If I had to guess, I'd probably say J.D. Vance, too. But it's hard to say. Okay, well, out of interest, Richie Black, who do you want it to be? I don't know. It might be Massey, though. I think things are changing so much. People are getting so sick of Israel.
51:30In a way, we've seen how split the party. We've seen how split the right is in America. They stole our military secrets. Tell them. They stole our nuclear secrets. Okay. Richard Black. They just screw us over and over.
51:41Piers Morgan:Richard Black, out of interest, who do you want to be? Obviously, I would vote for Massey. But you know what? At the end of the day. At the end of the day. No, no. Don't you want Fuentes to be your president? No, I don't. Shut up. What happened to Nick Fuentes? You're so annoying. You're such a worm. What happened to Nick? Shut up for a second. What happened to little Nicky? Stop talking. OK, yeah, you know, that's a great bit of advice. Absolutely. Everybody on the panel. We need to stop talking. Stop talking. Thank you all very much.
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From the publisher
This weekend The Jerusalem Post called for the Pope to condemn Nick Fuentes - the latest evidence that a man and a movement many would rather pretend was a purely online phenomenon has become a very mainstream matter.
Conservatives are split between those who believe the likes of Fuentes should be buried and ignored, and those who believe the right is now dabbling in cancel culture - especially when it comes to Israel.Why did Fuentes get so popular in the first place? And is he causing more harm than good to the MAGA movement?
Joining Piers Morgan to debate is former MMA fighter and Fight Back podcast host Jake Shields, ‘The Verdict With Ted Cruz’ co-host Ben Ferguson, far-right activist Richie Black and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
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