Does Trump Deserve Nobel Peace Prize? Plus Piers Morgan DESTROYS Democrat in Trans Row

21:03And I will give you a chance to speak. Let me finish, young lady, please.

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21:44Piers Morgan:And here's the best part. Use the code peers and get 70 % off your first order. You're 70 % off with the code peers. And so what I'm saying is that I think it's inconsequential. I think people are jumping. They don't have to feed these people. They could have starved them to death if they wanted to, but they didn't. That would be a war crime. You could say it's a war crime anyway. Who cares? I'm not saying it. It would be a war crime. They killed all these innocent people in Israel. Yeah, but, Brandon, it would be a war crime. You could say it doesn't matter. They killed all these people. It does matter.

22:14Hamas is embedding themselves. Hamas is embedding themselves in the population. Yeah, Hamas are disgusting. Hamas are disgusting, and they commit endless war crimes. What are you expecting to do, Pierce?

22:27Piers Morgan:How do you fight a war when they're embedded in the people? I'm sorry, but there are international rules relating to warfare, and if Israel breaks them, they are as culpable as Hamas or anybody else. Did Netanyahu commit war crimes trying to fight this war when you have Hamas embedded in with the people? I believe he may well have done, yes. I do believe that. What else is he going to do then? Not fight? No, no, you can fight, but you have to abide by the rules of war. Well, what are you going to do? Well, this is why we have the rules of the war. Yeah, but, Brandon, this is Hamas. This is why we had the Geneva Convention set up after World War II.

23:01Piers Morgan:What do you do then? What do you do then? Brandon, after World War II, they set up a Geneva Convention because the world concluded that a lot of the stuff that went on in World War II simply crossed the line. And therefore, for future wars and conflicts, you had to have rules of engagement recognized by the international community. And if you don't have those, then anything goes, anyone can do anything. And you, I'm sure, would agree with me. I agree, I agree, Pierce. That way insanity lies, right, and total mayhem. I AGREE, PIRCE, BUT I THINK THAT THIS WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE FIGHTING THE ENEMY THAT'S EMBEDDED IN WITH THE PEOPLE.

23:37THEY LITERALLY HAVE HEADQUARTERS AT HOSPITALS. THEY'RE HAVING MILITARY WEAPONS AND DOING ALL THIS STUFF. SOME OF THEIR JOURNALISTS ARE TERRORISTS. SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS. THEY'RE NOT EVEN FIGHTING WITH UNIFORMS ON. HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW WHO'S A COMPATANT AND WHO'S NOT A COMPATANT? WHEN THEY RELEASE THE RESULTS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT DIED, they're not telling you how many people are combating. When they say that there's children that died, the range of children is from 17 all the way down. How do we know how many 17-year-olds that they've recruited to fight on the side of Hamas? So it is ridiculous to act as...

24:05Well, we don't. All we know. Wouldn't we actually find that out if we had journalists in there? Exactly. Wouldn't we actually... Would the journalists gonna have a bursar certificate in their hand? Give me a break. No, if we had journalists in there that were from every country all over, you can have your dispute with American journalists. They would be dead. They will be dead. They will be getting killed, they will be dead, they will be starving, right? Let me just interject for a sec. I wanna point something out I noticed after the ceasefire, is that before the ceasefire if you looked at videos of Gaza, it appears plenty of them were coming out, not from journalists, from civilians in Gaza.

24:38You saw no men in uniform. It's almost like Hamas did not exist in Gaza. I actually thought Israel had gotten rid of them. Suddenly, after Israel withdrew its troops, every single man, actually, let me add teenager and adult man suddenly has a machine gun and is in uniform i'm excuse me the woman in the red i forgot your name actually really respect your opinion but i do believe that these hamas militants if you're a journalist in gaza and they're dressed as regular innocent civilians you don't know who's who so what are they going to do okay you look like a normal kid you look like a normal kid you could be hamas i'm not sure they were literally as brandon's trying to say, embedding themselves in civilians, not just in their resources, in uniform as well.

25:21Piers Morgan:They obviously were doing all of those things. Let me bring in Nadine. Nadine, you and I have talked a lot during this war, often in some very contentious circumstances. But today, how do you feel? I mean, the war appears to have ended for now. Palestinians are returning to what remains of their homes. There appears to be a joyous feeling of at least the war is over and they can try and get back to their lives. They haven't been expelled as many on the Israeli government would have liked to seem. So do you give Trump any credit for this? I mean, I sincerely hope that the, you know, war is over.

26:01Palestinians have been through enough, through starvation, famine, entire bloodlines wiped out, families that will never be, you know, WHO HAVE BEEN FEELING THE SAME AGAIN. I THINK THE CEASE FIRE AREN'T NECESSARILY PROOF OF PEACE. SO FAR THEY 'VE BEEN PAUSES IN THE PROJECT OF GENOCIDE AND ETHNIC CLEANSING THAT BEGAN OVER 75 YEARS AGO WITH THE NECPA AND CONTINUES TODAY. UNDER TRUMP COUNTLESS OF PALESTINIANS WERE KILLED, THEY WERE STARVED, THEY WERE DISPLACED. THE SO-CALLED CEASE FIRE PLAN didn't even include Palestinians' negotiators at all in the construction of the plan. Instead, Palestinians were forced into submission through starvation, blockade, and these U.S.-administered Gaza humanitarian fund sites where people were rounded up and targeted by Islamophobic biker gangs.

26:49And now part of these deals demand the disarmament of Hamas, which is literally impossible, since most of the weapons that Hamas happens now were delivered by Israel itself in the form of unexploded ordinances and munitions dropped on Gaza. So it feels like, you know, this is all just a setup to extract the hostages, which Hamas said early on in October 2023 that they were willing to release all of the civilian hostages in order to just continue killing people in Gaza. You know, just last night, another Palestinian was killed, was shot by Israel, and also proxy, you know, militias that are being funded and protected by Israel in Gaza are also continuing to kill Palestinians like the Palestinian journalist Salah Jafrawi, who was murdered.

27:35And I think another thing that is important to mention here is that Israel systematically... He was killed by Hamas, you're a compulsive liar. $7 ,000,$7 ,000, we get it, you get your pay... Keep saying that, that's a long story. Who's getting paid? Who's getting paid$7 ,000? Who's getting paid? Who's getting paid? Who's getting paid? Who's getting paid? systems power plants and other essential infrastructure right before withdrawing from Gaza, leaving the population without basic services.

28:03Piers Morgan:Okay, don't all talk at once. Nadine, let me ask you a question. Out of interest, what should Israel have done on October the 8th by way of responding to the worst terror attack in modern times? What should Palestinians have done? No, no, that wasn't my question. That wasn't my question. What should Israel have done? I'm not sure why she's continuously interrupting me. I know you get$7 ,000 to sit here and spew propaganda, but that's not going to work here. Nadine, aren't you a lawyer? Don't you know what defamation is? Do you have any proof that I have ever gotten one penny from Israel? No, if you're going to make an accusation, back it up with an act.

28:40Do you have one receipt that I received$1 from Israel, or are you just yapping at it? I'm trying to respond to his question right now. Well, Nadine, I think it's a fair... Hang on, hang on. Hang on, it's a fair question, Nadine.

28:51Piers Morgan:You made an allegation against Emily that she's taken money to talk up for Israel. Do you have any proof of that? This is widely reported, and I would like to actually focus on the question that you talked about. I want to focus on the allegation. Well, just for the record, Emily, have you been paid, Emily, to talk up in Israel's favour? Zero. Nothing. OK, so we've clarified that. Nadim, answer my question, though. But what should Israel, not the Palestinians, what should Israel have done after this appalling terror attack? I think the only way that there can be peace in the Holy Land is through accountability and through justice, not through genocide.

29:31By committing this genocide, Israel hasn't stamped out Hamas. But I'm talking about the attempted genocide that Hamas waged.

29:37Piers Morgan:So let's talk about that first, right? What should Israel have done following the mass murder of 1 ,200 of its people, the wounding and maiming of 7 ,000 more and the kidnapping of over 250, including Holocaust survivors and babies. What should Israel have done? What would have been the proportionate correct response by Israel after that attack? Negotiating a hostage exchange in return for the Palestinian hostages would have saved a lot of bloodshed on both sides. And let's not forget that Israel employed the Hannibal directive on October 7th. Much of the damage that had been done could only have been carried out by Apache helicopters.

30:20And, you know... All right, but do you think what Hamas did...

30:23Piers Morgan:Okay, but do you think what Hamas did on October 7th was justified? You constantly ask me this question every time I come on your show as some sort of gotcha. You know, I think that repression and oppression breeds resistance. I'm not living at the opposite end of a barrel of an Israeli gun. I'm not having my home destroyed to rubble. So I'm not going to tell people that have constantly faced this prior to October 7, 2023, that resisting it is wrong or how they resist it is wrong. That's not my place. A terror attack is not resistance. It's a terror attack. Pierce, Pierce, Pierce, this is clear.

30:57This young lady is a propagandist. How should Israel respond to a COVID-19? I'm asking you, Pierce, now, how should Palestinians respond to 75 years of displacement for over 20 years? 75 years of displacement. The blockade is not just a few months. Okay, it's funny. You're such a hypocrite. You're talking about me interrupting you, and now you're constantly interrupting me. Okay, because it's getting crazy, what you're saying. Constant incursions on Gaza, to the destruction of refugee camps in the West Bank, to the denial of the right of return, to countless war crimes. How should a Palestinians respond to that?

31:32Well, my answer, my answer,

31:33Piers Morgan:my answer is that committing a terrorist attack of that magnitude is never, ever resistant or defensively. OK, so what's the answer? So how should they resist? Well, no, it's... You're just saying what they shouldn't do. I'm making the point that an act of terrorism is never the correct response, ever.

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32:49Piers Morgan:Do it today. What's the correct response? Let me bring Brandon in here. Brandon. OK, you can answer the question that you tried to ask me. I want everybody to get a chance. This young lady is clearly a propagandist. She will not deny or will not say that Hamas is a terrorist organization and they killed innocent people. And then she want Hamas to be fighting and killing innocent people. And then when Israel come back and whoop their socks off, she has she act like it's a genocide. They haven't been committed genocide. I don't know what world you live in or any other person is living in. I think this is a genocide.

33:22You don't feed people in a genocide. You don't feed people in a genocide. The population doesn't grow during a genocide. 75 years, the population has grown. What are you saying? Are you guys smoking or what? 75 years, the population has grown. That's not a genocide. That's not what the definition of genocide. Could you even define genocide? You clearly can't even define genocide. Well, I'll tell you what.

33:44Piers Morgan:Name another genocide. Let me just say something. The reality, and I've learned this by talking to genocide scholars, is that no country or state has ever been found guilty of waging a genocide. I was surprised by that. I didn't know that. The bar for a genocide is extremely high. And that's why, so far, no country has ever been found guilty or convicted of committing or waging a genocide. I didn't know that before this war broke out, but I do know that now. So the bar is very, very high for a... Even in Rwanda, they did not, in the end, classify that as a genocide. Now, we might have a view...

34:25Piers Morgan:They killed a million people in 100 days. We might have a view that that's wrong, But my view of what's happened in Israel is that if you believe people like Smodrich and Ben Gavir, they were operating on a basis of ethnic cleansing, seizing the opportunity created by this appalling attack to actually expel Palestinians, kick them out of their homes and take their land. That's ethnic cleansing, but I wouldn't categorise that as a genocide, which is how many people have tried to make me call it. But that's my explanation. Let me bring Destiny back. You'll be waiting. I've got to say, unusually patiently, Destiny, which I appreciate.

34:57Piers Morgan:Look, what people are talking about now is the future, whether there can be lasting peace. If it turns out this is the catalyst for lasting peace, and a lot of that may come down to the Arab and Muslim countries here, who seem to be very actively involved in trying to get a lasting peace through this, how much credit would you give Donald Trump? Should he get the Nobel Peace Prize next year? Many thought he deserved it this year. You know, it is unusual to have a Republican-American president who wants to forge peace, not war. But he talks about peace all the time. He's trying to find it in Ukraine.

35:33Piers Morgan:He seems to have found it in the Middle East. You know, I'm not sure what else he has to do, given that Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize eight months into his tenure in his first presidency for basically making a couple of fancy speeches. But it seems people don't want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize because he's Donald Trump. Yeah, I don't think Donald Trump has an interest in peace. He just wants to get rid of problems and move on to the next thing. Again, we already had peace in the Middle East with the Abraham Accords, and we saw where that led. Now we've got whatever the ceasefire is.

36:01The 20-point plan, I think, is kind of a joke. I mean, he came in saying that he was going to figure out all these issues on day one. He hasn't. He let Israel wage basically maximally the war they wanted to wage. They were able to eliminate essentially every enemy, all the top grass in Hamas, like twice. You know, they bombed Qatar. They got the United States to bomb Iran. They, you know, Syrian regime Bashar al-Assad, you know, his regime collapsed. They killed Nasrallah. They got, you know, rid of Hezbollah. The idea that Trump has come in and brokered peace after Israel has essentially eliminated all enemies and then the peace that was brokered is this insanely one-sided favorable deal to the Israelis.

36:35I mean, I feel like they're just setting themselves up for some other terrorist attack in the future and then we're all going to be scratching our heads, looking around like, I can't believe this is happening again. Tara, do you - Destiny, you won. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Congratulations. You win this pin.

36:48Piers Morgan:Well, are these destinies here prepared to talk about it? I mean, the people - You know what? Nadine is right. $7 ,000. I see it now. There's the - Is that a monthly payment or a yearly payment? Honestly, I wish I got it. I really, really wish I did. If someone else is making it, I would love the directions of how I can get the money to. But thus far, I haven't been offered, nor have I received. But thank you again for a baseless accusation. To be clear, you just baselessly accused me of having Trump derangement syndrome. I think my criticism is pretty pointed. There is no concrete plan for what this is going to look like afterwards.

37:17Israel got to end the war. They got to eliminate all enemies. They're getting to do damage to the infrastructure of the West. By the way, they didn't. Hamas is everywhere, all over Gaza, flaunting how they've won this war. What has Israel been doing for two years? They're still everywhere. How many more places do they need a bomb? Did you see the videos coming out of Gaza that Hamas is cheering and parading? Do you not see what's coming down there? I don't know how much more time you need. I don't know how many more bombs you need to drop. At some point, your war is over. You figured it out. At some point, Hamas needs to surrender and demilitarize.

37:46Did you ever think about that? Oh, well, a complete surrender and demilitarize would have been a good thing for Trump to arrange more than a year into his presidency. That's why I don't give him any credit for it.

37:56Piers Morgan:All right, Tara, let me bring you in here, because you're probably, I would say, the neutral member of the panel in many ways. It does seem there is a double standard about Trump, Nobel Peace Prize, credit for forging peace. I mean, do you think there is a double standard? I do think, you know, like you said, noted that President Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize in eight months. It's probably more of a symbol in a lot of ways than what it actually represents. Will this actually lead to peace? I think he should apply again because the application date was around January when he was not even inaugurated.

38:31How could he be, you know, how could he put his name forward before he's even president yet? And even in this case, it's a little early days, I think. We need to see if there is actual peace. I mean, next week, this could all be broken. As we've said, Hamas has yet to give up its arms. Gaza is still occupied by Israel. There are lots of unanswered questions,

38:53Piers Morgan:but I do find it extraordinary that Bernie Sanders, for example, so vocal about Trump, right? Last week, in the last seven days, 16 anti-Trump posts on his ex-account. He hasn't mentioned the Middle East at all. Bernie Sanders, a man who ran for president, hugely big figure in the United States political arena, hasn't mentioned this on his feet. All he's done is relentless Trump bashing about other stuff. And I'm like, you know, it's so transparent that, you know, you talk about Trump derangement syndrome, how does that manifest itself? If you are a senior politician in the United States and you can't find it in yourself, even Hillary Clinton gave Trump credit for this because she knows how difficult it is to get to this place.

39:37Piers Morgan:You know, I just think to Bernie Sanders, I asked him directly, you know, what's stopping you? Saying something, anything. You're very vocal all day long about Trump. And the reason is he doesn't want to say anything positive about Trump, so he'd rather not talk about this incredibly historic moment in the Middle East, which is, you know, an example of just how unhinged a lot of Trump's opponents become. Well, this is all political theater at the back. Well, let Tara respond. Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think it's the fact that it feeds President Trump's ego. They find him detestable. The fact that he needs these plaudits and awards.

40:15They don't like him as a person. It's political, obviously. But yeah, this is a big deal. He got Benjamin Netanyahu in the Oval Office to apologize to Qatar.

40:24Piers Morgan:Huge. Huge. He created a relationship with the Israeli prime minister that no other president has in decades. And he was able to almost strong arm this moment that we got to right now. And yes, he deserves credit for it. But the whole question is, does it hold up? And that's why this year-long evaluation for his Nobel Peace Prize makes the most sense. He probably hates that he has to wait for it. But I think it will show if this holds up. And I think...

40:57Piers Morgan:Ah, we slightly lost you there, Tara. Sorry, Tara, we lost you just for a couple of seconds there. We'll keep it on this issue. Tara, just repeat your last point, because you were frozen. Oh, yeah, I'll just finish on this last point if I have... Yeah. Yeah, my last point is that I hope that this period of time that it will take for them to decide if he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, will keep him fixed on the Middle East, and will not just be something he can check off and say, I did this, that it will make sure that there's actual follow-through on this 20-point plan. Yeah. Brandon, do you feel there's a double standard when it comes to giving Trump credit for this kind of thing?

41:34Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, I think Trump derangement is the real thing. I think these people, like for me, if there was a Democrat that negotiated this, I don't care how much I don't like these Democrats. I WOULD BE LIKE, THIS IS GREAT, MAN. THAT'S A WIN. IF BARACK OBAMA DOES SOMETHING GOOD, THAT WAS GREAT. I LIKE WHEN HE DOES THINGS WELL. IT'S OUR COUNTRY. SO I'M HOPING THAT HE GETS VICTORIES. BUT LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED, PIERCE. YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT TRUMP HAS NEGOTIATED PEACE, THE ONES WHO CLAIM IT WAS A GENOCIDE AND THE BABIES ARE DYING, HE'S GOT IT TO STOP AND THEY WON'T EVEN CELEBRATE THAT BECAUSE THEY HATE HIM SO MUCH.

42:08THIS SHOULD BE A CELEBRATION AT LEAST IN PART. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT GOD.

42:15this backfiring is from the Palestinians and from Hamas. It's not like Israel is going to go back on it. They're going to do another terrorist attack is the fear. But, you know, I hope that it works and we should all be cheering for it to work. We should all be giving input on, you know, what's the next step here? Because Trump can't control everything. But I agree. And also, Emily,

42:34Piers Morgan:I mean, I just feel that it gives you much more credibility, whoever you are, if you're prepared to just look at the big picture and give your opponent credit where they deserve it. It just gives you more credibility. You know, I think one of the problems of social media, it's got so tribal and so toxic that even when a new fact comes out about your side, which is obviously very damning or wrong, people will try and pretend it isn't because they think that that shows weakness. When in fact, to actually criticize your own side from time to time or to credit the other side is a good thing for democracy.

43:10Piers Morgan:And I wish we could get back to a place where we could all do that quite freely. I criticize Trump quite regularly, but I praise him quite regularly. I think that's the right... I was the same with Obama. I just think that is the way... that is the way a proper democracy works, right? But when people are so intransigent about giving any credit to someone like Donald Trump, whatever he does, I just think, to me, they lose credibility. I mean, I think you can give credit. Just give credit where credit is due. There's been, like, six Israel-Gaza wars, 2008-2014, between Castlet and Protective Edge.

43:44These were huge wars that had ceasefires after them. The conflict has been never-ending, well, basically since the inception of the state of Israel, between Israel and... Well, we've never had this number, Destiny,

43:56Piers Morgan:of Arab and Muslim countries come together to team up in this way. But they haven't come together to team up. The letter that was written, the unifying letter, all of it was, we hope that they, you know, abide by international law. No, they endorse the Trump plan, though. I mean, the words that they're using are saying, we hope that something actually comes from this. This is like all the plans that Trump had, all the trade deals. The United States has no trade deals. There is no lasting peace right now between Israel and Gaza. This is like the framework of one. Well, actually, America does have a lot of new trade deals.

44:29Piers Morgan:We have none. Well, actually, it has a lot that is signed. No, that's not true. It's true. It's not true. It's absolutely true. Well, the UK, you're sitting in the United Kingdom. We have a trade deal. You do not have a trade deal. Yes, we do. No, there is no trade deal. These things are not one page signed and posted on Twitter. They're extensive things that encompass entire markets and tons of writing for it. There's no trade deal. We have agreed a 10 % tariff on UK products to the United States. That is a trade deal. That's not a trade deal. That's an entry on an Excel spreadsheet. A trade deal is a comprehensive, market-encompassing thing that actually dictates terms that you can rely on for, you know, decades to come.

45:03It's not a thing that can change on a whim.

45:05Piers Morgan:But do you dispute that Trump has managed to negotiate a series of deals with countries which are, in terms of tariffs, more advantageous now to America than they were in January? No, our prices on everything are going up. That wasn't my question. No, they're not advantageous. They're hurting the economy in every measurable way. Inflation is up, the amount of taxes now... Why are stock markets at record highs? Because the stock market always goes up. It was under record highs under Obama. Of course it does. Every presidency is basically higher. When he launched his global tariff war, the stock market collapsed.

45:36Piers Morgan:In the long term. But now, having been promised Armageddon within six months, we've got to the point of six months, and the stock markets are higher than they were before he launched the tariff. Not as high as it should be, but the stock market will tend upwards. That's how the stock market works. This is the thing. It takes time. You know, like, Donald Trump is making an effort to do this, and it takes time to come to fruition. I hope that you will be cheering for it to come to fruition and that Donald Trump is going to realize some of these things that he's put into place. Some of these negotiations will go through in a better way.

46:03Don't you wish that, Destiny? I think we all want that, right? I don't know what anybody wants. We're talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize, hopefully, to a guy who is declaring war on his own cities. I mean, I don't know what the actual goal is for anything. You know how ridiculous that is? I do. I agree. It is ridiculous. I'm glad we can agree on that. For him saying he's going to do a war with Chicago, it's a ridiculous thing to say. I was watching Don Lemon.

46:24Piers Morgan:I was watching the citizen journalist Don Lemon out with his microphone, and he was talking to people in various cities about putting the National Guard on the streets. You know what they all said, to his astonishment? They were all in favour of it. I would be too if my city was overrun by crime and gangs and shootings and stabbings and murders. If you feel the police... If you feel the police is under-resourced and ineffective and is not protecting you, then I think people actually have rather liked the visibility of members of the National Guard on the streets. And, you know, people can call it the militarisation, the creeping fascism, all these things, or they could actually ask the people that live in those places, how do you feel about having some National Guard people on the streets?

47:08Piers Morgan:They actually feel comforted by the visibility of National Guard on the streets. The only people who don't like law enforcement are criminals. That's the reality. Right. These are just politicians that are running their mouth, just like Black Lives Matter when they want to defund the police. You ask people that live in the hood, they love the police. THEY WANT THE POLICE THERE. THEY GET SICK OF THEIR KIDS GETTING SHOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. SO MOST PEOPLE, GO TO CHICAGO. I MEAN, GO TO D.C. REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE PROTESTING D.C.? A BUNCH OF WHITE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF D.C. POPULATION IS BLACK.

47:42NONE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE PROTESTING. IT'S A BUNCH OF LEFTIST NUTJOBS AND POLITICIANS WHO ARE PUSHING THIS AGENDA. MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE SAFE. THE PROPERTY VALUE GOES UP WHEN IT'S SAFE. stores come into the community, the economy is boosted, your schools are better. No person on earth want crime to be rampant in their cities. And when their politicians do nothing, then Trump has to step in.

48:02Piers Morgan:All right, let me give the last word to Nadine. How do you see things in the next two, three years in Gaza, in the West Bank, in that region? You know, I think Trump addressing the Knesset today just proves how absurd this whole conversation is. He bragged about moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. He rewarded Israel's legal annexation. He praised Miriam Adelson while also calling her Israel first. And he also went to Egypt after the Knesset. He also went to Egypt. So, you know, yes, he was at the Knesset. Yes, he got celebrated for getting the hostages released. That's inevitable. But he also then went to Egypt immediately, right?

48:43Piers Morgan:So, you know, I look at the totality of what Trump has done on this very quick visit, and he's going to both sides. He understands you only get to peace by talking and sitting down and doing deals with all warring partners. It's the only way you do it. I mean, you know, what we've seen is the Palestinian resistance today are the orphans of the past Israeli incursions on Gaza, on the West Bank. The number of Hamas militants, just like, you know, the pro-Israel commentators here said, hasn't actually decreased since October 2023. It's just about staying the same. So I think as long as you think that you can't bring, you can't bomb people into peace, you can't bomb people into submission, and Palestinians will continue to resist no matter what, because they are facing a genocidal baby-killing machine that is built on the blood of our people, that's built on the blood of my friend Paris.

49:37My village in Palestine was annexed three weeks ago. Not a single establishment or legacy media outlet has covered it. Beitiksa was annexed. You can search this up. And as long as we continue to be dispossessed through our lands, denied the right of return, and slaughtered mercilessly, whether in Gaza, whether in the West Bank, or even 48 citizens, Palestinian citizens of Israel, Palestinians are only going to continue to fight that. And they're going to keep getting their butts whooped. Human nature. That is just human nature.

50:08Piers Morgan:All right. We will see. I'm sorry. Before we go, Chris, I want to remind you that you had Nardine and I on right after October 7th. I remember, yeah. Off the bat, you asked her, do you condemn October 7th? She said no. She hardly condemned 9-11. Now that we're seeing each other again face-to-face, Nardine. It wasn't second grade when 9-11 happened. You are pro-Israel hack. You have nothing going to tell you. $7 ,000. Larry Ellison can buy TikTok. Nardine, you are not pro-Palestine. You are pro-Hamas. Because when Hamas is slaughtering, literal, when Hamas is slaughtering all the Muslims right now, you're silent.

50:44Hamas is killing Palestinians right now, and you are silent because you're not pro-Palace.

50:48Piers Morgan:OK, well, can I just say, it's good to see... It's good to see... Blah, blah, blah. Thank you. Pro-Hamas. It's good to see the time... Pro-Hamas has to go burn things and we have it. It is good to see that you two have moved on with your relationship since you last appeared on the panel together. and there is a new harmony to it, which was lacking last time. That was Israel-Palestine in a nutshell right there. You know what? Actually, yes. And that's where we need to go. I condemn Chilean, Noreen does not. Israel-Palestine. I'm defending my people, my land, and you just have a ridiculous... You know, unusually...

51:22Piers Morgan:You've got to keep getting your way. Unusually, for when a panel includes destiny, he's ended with the most prescient point of all, probably the most pertinent point of all, which is actually, in a way, that is the problem. And we need to get to a place where we get a mutual respect. And actually, I believe one day that that will be a two-state solution. The starting point is not like 70 ,000 Palestinians in Canada. The starting point is not freezing. Probably a lot more than that. I think that offer is much higher. All right. That's the starting point. I'm going to leave it there. But thank you very much indeed, all of you, for the debate.

51:51Piers Morgan:Thank you, Piers. I appreciate it. Hey there. It's Wayfair here, where delivery and setup are as easy as a few taps on your phone. You're relaxing in an old hammock, scrolling Wayfair's app when you spot it, a brand new patio set. Next thing you know, Wayfair delivers it right to your patio and sets it up. Oh, you need a new grill too? All right, Wayfair's got you covered. With Wayfair's room of choice delivery and fast experts set up on qualifying orders, life gets a little easier. Visit Wayfair.com or the Wayfair app. Wayfair, every style, every home. One week ago, Katie Porter was measuring Gavin Newsom's curtains as a poll showed her with a commanding lead in the race to become California's next governor.

52:30Piers Morgan:Then disaster struck. Katie Porter spoke to a journalist who had the audacity to ask her a question. You just said you don't need those Trump voters. You asked me if I needed them to win. I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question? The question is the same thing I asked everybody, that this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump's power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question. This is not argumentative. And I said I support it. So, and the question is, what do you say to the 40 % of voters who voted for Trump? Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you need them to win part that I don't understand.

53:07I'm happy to answer the question as you have it written and I'll answer it. And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40 % of California voters to win? And you're saying, no, you don't. No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that... Well, to those voters, okay, so you... I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it.

53:26Piers Morgan:Well, Porter's prickly response to that simple question set her win probability on an historic downward spiral, cratering in just days from 40 to 16%. The ensuing Porter pylon has brought with a swirl of claims about disharmony among her team, and millions have viewed this clip of Porter yelling at a staffer who encroached on her Zoom shot. The state could lose... You're out of my fucking shot! I wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect. It's not that it's electric vehicles. It's that if we don't meet the commitments, I do the Paris climate report. OK, it does... OK. You also were in my shot before that.

54:06Stay out of my shot.

54:09Piers Morgan:Wow. Well, we invited Katie Porter to have a second go at answering questions here on Uncensored, but she declined. So in the interest of fairness and democracy, we invited her two leading opponents on both sides instead. In a moment, I'll talk to Republican candidate Steve Hill. But first, I'm joined by the California Democratic Party's vice chair, Betty Yee. Well, Betty, welcome to Uncensored. You posted on X following their first interview with CBS. After watching the interview, it's clear, Casey Porter doesn't have the temperament to be governor. As a candidate, I welcome the hard questions.

54:41Piers Morgan:The next governor must be accessible and transparent. No place for temper tantrums. No place for dodging the public's right to know. And you then added in another post, Katie Porter is a weak, self-destructive candidate, unfit to lead California. Mistakes are too high for her to stay in this race. It's time for her to drop out of the race. So no holding back there. What is it about the clips that have come out that sent you over the edge in terms of her ability to stay in the race? Well, thank you, Piers. Look, as a woman candidate, I know that we are held to double standards. and I believe Katie Porter failed to hold up to that standard.

55:21As a candidate, we reach out to all voters to try to make a persuasive case to earn their support, and I just believe that her temperament and, frankly, just not being responsive to the reporter was just not cutting it.

55:34Piers Morgan:I did the Bill Maher show with her a while ago last year and got into a debate with her about Riley Gaines, who's been campaigning against trans activists trying to erode women's rights in sport. And she got very prickly then. But what I was struck by was that the very liberal audience totally disagreed with her. But I remember then... We'll take a little look at a bit of this now. Let's have a look first. You talked about people, you know, using things to kind of get likes and get clicks. That's not what she's doing. It's not? I've got no truck for riding games personally, but all I've seen her do is stand up for women's rights to fairness and equality.

56:16Piers Morgan:She actually competed against Leah Thomas, and it was obviously unfair. Leah Thomas won one of the races in the NCAA championships by 50 seconds against a bunch of biological females who simply couldn't keep up. That cannot be right. It cannot be fair. That is something that I trust, I think our sporting bodies should be dealing with. And by the way, Riley is speaking up for herself, and that is her prerogative, and I respect her free speech. I think she's speaking up for pretty much every female athlete in the world. I... I mean, wasn't that... Out of interest, Betty Yee, what is your view of trans athletes in women's sport?

56:57Well, I think I always want to be sure that we are being inclusive in sports, and so I think there are ways to still have them participate in sports and try to quell just some of the controversy around it. I think everyone has an opportunity to participate in sports.

57:14Piers Morgan:Right. That wasn't really the question. It's whether you think trans athletes should compete in women's sport. Well, I think we need to learn more about just how we can enable them to participate. I don't... Look, everyone is competing in a sport and they come with abilities and perhaps there could be, you know, kind of a different leap for them or we can look at just ways not to exclude them, but I do want them to be able to have that same opportunity to participate. Well, everybody wants trans athletes to be able to participate in sport. The issue is whether they should be allowed to compete in women's sport against actual women who are biological females, who obviously have an inferior physiology in the main in terms of lung capacity, muscle mass and so on.

58:00Piers Morgan:Do you think that would be right? They are now part of, I mean, they have been through a transition, a physical transition, and I do believe that they should be able to participate with other female athletes. Wow, well, you've got the Olympics coming to California, to LA. So are you suggesting that you would allow trans athletes to compete in women's sport in the Olympics if you were governor? Well, I think there's still a lot of discussion that needs to happen. I think there's a lot of information we need to learn about what's really happening with the ability of trans athletes to compete, but my statement is about being able to be sure that they can compete.

58:36And right now...

58:38Piers Morgan:My question is whether you think they should compete in women's sport in the Olympics, because it's coming to LA, so it's relevant. I think transgender female athletes are women athletes. Wow, really? So if you were governor of California, you would support biological males who identify as women competing in women's sport in the Olympics? They are now identified as transgender female. And you think it's fair that they should then compete in women's sport? I think they should be able to compete in women's sports, but I also think that there is still some discussion about whether they should compete in the same field, but I just want them to be able to participate.

59:23Sure, I'm sure you do.

59:24Piers Morgan:Out of interest, why do you think we separate the sexes in the Olympics? Well, because they do come with different attributes in terms of physicality. So you accept that we separate the sexes because men have a physical advantage over women? I know about an advantage in some sports, yes. In other sports, maybe not. Can you think of a single sport in the Olympics where men would not have an advantage over women, with the exception potentially of archery? You know, I think you can see female athletes where, particularly in track and field, where agility is probably... Hang on, are you suggesting that women...

1:00:04Piers Morgan:Hang on, you think that women could compete against men in track and field, like in 100 metres, 200 metres, 10 ,000 metres, do you? Perhaps. You know, I'm not a sports expert. Perhaps? Of course they couldn't. Have you seen the times that women and men record in the Olympics for all track and field events? Have you watched Usain Bolt when he smashed the world record for the 100 metres? Yes, yes. So you think women could run against Usain Bolt, for example, at his peak, and that would be fair? I think... Look, I'm just going to say this. There's a lot of misinformation about the ability of transgender athletes.

1:00:47That wasn't my question.

1:00:47Piers Morgan:My question was, you've got the Olympics coming to your state. You want to be the California governor. I am actually a resident in California, in Los Angeles. I'm very curious about your response to how you would want the Olympics to be conducted, which would be fair and equitable for women. But it seems to me like you would like to remove any sexual differentiation between the Olympic sports and let them all compete. It would be gender neutral, wouldn't it, if you were governor? Well, again, I want to be sure that everyone has the ability to compete. Would you have a gender-neutral Olympics where you wouldn't have male and female sport then?

1:01:27Piers Morgan:You'd just have one that everyone could join in? Well, I don't think we're going to get that tomorrow, but I think it's a conversation worth having. You think it's a conversation worth having where you have gender-neutral Olympics? Because we need to understand what the attributes are of athletes across the spectrum. But you've already said that you understand the reason they separate the sexes is that men have a physical advantage over women. That is why we separate the sexes in the Olympics. In some sports, I believe so. Tell me a sport where it would have no impact. I do believe that women are equipped to break records in track and field.

1:02:07and some of the sports as well. Tell me one track and field event

1:02:09Piers Morgan:where a woman would beat a man in the Olympics. Well, if... In fact, let me make it easier. Tell me a single track and field event in the Olympics where a woman would qualify for any of the finals. Well, I would think that in some of the... in the short course track events, potentially. What do you mean? Like, how long? It's not going to be the long races, but the shorter races. What, 100 metres, 200 metres? Could be 100 metres, sure. You think... I'm sorry, Betty, but given that obviously I got you on because Katie Porter wouldn't answer questions, you genuinely think that we should have a gender-neutral 100 metres in the Olympics when it comes to California?

1:03:00What I am saying is I don't know that we know fully. We know fully.

1:03:05Piers Morgan:But why do you think... We do know fully because we know that women's 100-metre records compared to men's show that men are much, much faster over 100 metres than women. That's why we separate the sexes. Same with 200 metres, same with 400 metres, same with 5 ,000 metres, same with 800 metres, same with 10 ,000 metres. That is why we separate the sexes. If you had men and women competing in the same Olympic track and field events, women would never win a medal again. How do you not know that? Well, let me just say this. I think we can all agree that we want people to have equal opportunity to participate.

1:03:45I don't know that we know, frankly, just with transgender people participating in athletics, really how they would fare in competition. So I would like to be able to see full participation. And if it means having to put transgender people in a different type of division to see how they perform, we would do that.

1:04:05Piers Morgan:But would you do that? As a principal, you would quite like to see a gender-neutral Olympics when it comes to LA. If the physicality of the sexes bear true to that, including with transgender people, yes, it should be gender-neutral. I don't think we know enough. You don't think we know enough about the relative physiology of men and women to work out whether they should compete separately? Certainly when transgender people transition and they are participating in athletics, I think we need to know more. Would you like boxing to be gender neutral in the Olympics? No, of course not. Why not? Well, I'm not a boxing fan and I'm not a particularly big fan of the sport.

1:04:54It has high potential for injury and harm.

1:04:59Piers Morgan:Really? So how did you feel about Iman Khalif, the Algerian boxer, competing in the Paris Olympics when Iman Khalif had failed to qualify for the world, or had been disqualified from the world championships the year before for testing positive for male chromosomes? I don't know much about boxing, Piers. I'm sorry. I don't have a view about it. OK. Betty Yee, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it. Well, let's go to Steve Hilton, Republican candidate for governor. Steve, welcome to Uncensored. Sometimes I do an interview where I half wonder if I'm being set up, that somebody is answering in a way so deliberately ridiculous that it's part of a prank.

1:05:45Piers Morgan:But I don't think that was the case. Gender-neutral Olympics is Betty Yee's clarion call for LA. It's amazing, isn't it, Piers? I think we may just have seen another California Democrat candidate torpedo their campaign for governor. I mean, extraordinary. I'll just tell you very quickly where I stand on this. In terms of the Olympics, by the way, I think that it's the IOC that sets the participation rules. And the executive of the host city or state doesn't have a say. But I'll look into that. I'm talking to Caitlyn Jenner, actually, a friend of mine, about all of these issues in relation to the Olympics.

1:06:25She's giving me great advice on that.

1:06:26Piers Morgan:Who is, by the way, the most sensible voice on all of this. I mean, Caitlin... Yes. ..when Caitlin identified as a woman in transition, I remember Caitlin saying that she went to compete in her local golf club tournament and they said she could now go off the women's tees. And she went, well, that would be ridiculous. I'm still 6 '3 or 4'. Right. I still have the same physiology I had when I competed in the male decathlon and won gold medal. if I go off the women's tees, no woman could beat me. And she just said, look, just I'll go off the men's tees. It's fine. It's no big deal. That is a pragmatic, sensible way around all these issues.

1:07:03Piers Morgan:But to hear somebody who wants to be the governor of California advocating for a gender-neutral Olympics, thinking that track and field in particular... I know. ..is where women could compete fairly against men. I mean, completely insane. I was watching it. And it's almost like one of those reaction videos. You know, if someone was taping it in your team, it's like my jaw was literally dropping. And just short form. And as you... I mean, I think I almost said the same words that you did at the same time. What, 100 metres? Are you kidding? I mean, literally... I mean, against Usain Bolt at his peak, for example.

1:07:40Piers Morgan:I know. Insane. A woman would literally barely be halfway down the track. It's insane. Look, what I do know, what I can do about this as governor, is go back to the origin of this insanity. And actually, it's a good example of the role that California has played, the negative role that it has played across the country, because so many crazy far-left things actually start in California and then spread to the rest of America and then around the world. This all goes back to a piece of legislation. It's the law in California that biological boys have to participate, have to be allowed to participate in girls' sports.

1:08:16It was passed in 2013, 12 years ago, AB 1266. I've looked into it with my legal team. The governor can't just ignore the laws, but actually where a piece of legislation violates the California state constitution, the governor can initiate a process of overturning it. And that's what I will do, because this law violates the California constitution in two places. Section 28, which defends and protects safety in schools, because you're seeing a lot of injuries as a result of this. And Section 31, which prevents gender discrimination. And this is obviously discrimination against girls. So I'm confident that as governor, I could actually overturn that law and bring some sanity back to this whole situation.

1:09:03Piers Morgan:You know, a couple of weeks ago, it looked like Katie Porter might be a bit of a shoo-in. It now looks very different. I mean, I saw somebody on CNN, their stats guy, Harry, saying this was one of the biggest, fastest meltdowns he'd ever seen in an individual's polling to be a governor. I mean, absolute depth charge. Meanwhile, a recent poll by Zogby Strategy shows you 6 % ahead of her now. There's been a real shift here. Most people think it's impossible for a Republican candidate like you to actually become governor in California. But is it? I mean, are you beginning to think that the Porter meltdown has got a bit of momentum for you that could actually prevail?

1:09:46Look, Piz, I've always said it's going to be very difficult. I'm under no illusions, but it's not impossible. And here's a couple of things. First of all, after this 15 years now of one-party rule in California, Democrats have controlled, they've had the governor's office, the state legislature, they run all the big cities. There's no-one else to blame, and the results are terrible. And people around the world, obviously, the very visible problems of California misrule are very apparent, you know, the homelessness and the crime and so on. But actually, on a daily basis, everything else is even more of a disaster.

1:10:19Right now, we have the highest unemployment rate in all of America and the highest poverty rate, the highest housing cost, the highest cost for gas, electricity, water, you name it, the worst business climate. Everything's a disaster. And so you're seeing a majority now pretty consistently for the last two years or so. What a sizable majority who say the state's going in the wrong direction and we need change. So there's a majority for change. The question is, are people going to support a campaign from a Republican? And that's my argument that actually a non-ideological, positive, practical campaign, that's what I'm running on.

1:10:56Not divisive ideological issues, but simple, practical things. cutting gas prices, cutting electric bills, especially cutting housing costs so you can afford a home of your own. I think it is possible. And if you look at the other Democrats running, actually, although they haven't had the kind of meltdown, maybe we've just seen one with Betty Yee, as Katie Porter has, but they're all kind of the same thing. It's the same old machine politician that's come up through the ranks. They all tow the party line. They're controlled by the unions. I don't see anyone there who can actually offer the change that we so obviously need in California.

1:11:29That's why I'm confident that I can do it.

1:11:31Piers Morgan:I'm certain. I mean, the anger management issues with Katie Porter seem to go back a long way because her divorce papers resurfaced this week. Her ex-husband, Matthew Hoffman, alleged that she dumped a bowl of steaming hot boiled potatoes on his head, said she was prone to extreme anger, had a, quote, history of snapping and screaming at him and the children, and would claw and scratch her arms while blaming him for the markings He said that Porter wouldn't let him have a cell phone because she said, quotes, you're too effing dumb to operate it. And so it goes on. And then you see the clips of her screaming at the staffers for getting her shot.

1:12:11Piers Morgan:You see the way she tried to deal with that journalist for asking perfectly reasonable questions that she'd asked of every candidate. And you get an impression of somebody who has a very short fuse, very arrogant, very entitled, and the consequence of all this colliding at the same time is a dramatic drop in her popularity. Do you think now, as Betty Yee said before she probably depth-charged her own campaign, do you think it's time that Katie Porter dropped out? Well, any normal person would say that, but what's been interesting, and it shows you how things operate with this Democrat machine in California, just in the last few days since this meltdown, you've seen day after day people coming out in support...

1:12:54Not people, organisations, the unions, to be precise. unions have come out and said, and I'll just tell you the kinds of things they're saying, we don't need someone who's polite. We need a fighter in California. Katie Porter's our fighter. She may not be the most polished. She may be not the most polite, but she's the, et cetera, right? So the unions are, you know, rolling in behind her. So I'm not sure that she will drop out, but I don't think there's any prospect that she's going to actually get to the, we have a system in California that's called the top two system. So you don't have a Republican and a Democrat primary.

1:13:28Everyone's on the same ballot, and the two top candidates go forward. Right now, all the polls show me as being one of the top two. Up until now, it's been Katie Porter. I think we're looking at another Democrat coming in, and it feels as if the machine is moving behind a guy called Alex Padilla, who is the current U.S. senator for California. Seems to me they're trying to recruit him almost to get into the race. But my argument is it doesn't really matter who they put up. It is time for change in California. How can a Democrat come and clean up the mess that they made?

1:13:59Piers Morgan:And on balance, do you think Betty Yee may have to withdraw her candidanship after what we just witnessed? Well, again, there is a constituency for those views I'm sad to report here in California, but most normal people, I mean, even in California, the majority who think that biological boys should not compete in girls sports is very large. I think across the country it's like 85%, 90%. In California it's 65%, 70%, if I'm right, in remembering those numbers. So I think that, again, the activists and the real core of the Democrat machine will think that she did a good job, honestly, which is stunning, but that's how far...

1:14:40You know what, Steve?

1:14:41Piers Morgan:I've got a new book coming out called Woke is Dead, and I actually make the point it's not actually dead yet. It will keep popping up with outrageously ridiculous things that people are going to say and do. but the public tolerance of them is rapidly diminishing. In other words, they're like weeds in a garden. When they pop up, they have to be dealt with. I've got a feeling when Betty Yee sees the reaction to what she has said about the Olympics coming to California and how she would like it to be gender neutral, particularly in the 100 metres, the ridicule that is going to fall on her head is going to be such that I suspect her position as a candidate will become untenable pretty quickly.

1:15:21Piers Morgan:and that's because actually the woke ideology at its core is ridiculous. Exactly. And we've just seen a clear example of how ridiculous it can be. Steve Hilton, great to talk to you. Thank you very much. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.