'DUMBEST Man In Right Wing Media!' Dave Rubin's Jubilee Shame Unpacked

0:00Piers Morgan:It's official Dave Rubin is the dumbest man in right-wing media. What's the main metric that he made better off? What? What's the main metric that he made better off? GDP, unemployment, inflation? Do you have any idea? It's not news that Dave Rubin is one of the dumbest people in media. We did lose 13 of our soldiers and that is terrible. And killed over 200 children. But, well, things happen in war. And I like Dave a lot, but I think I'm probably a little better than Dave. I mean, he's just a good dude. What does he contribute to the right-wing space? Do you still believe America controls the state of the foremoons?

0:34I think that control is contested. I think that's the best way to frame it. They can't get their ships out. We can't get our ships out.

0:39Piers Morgan:God, mom, whoa. This is why your guy's position is so obviously facile. And you know why 25-year-olds in Los Angeles shouldn't be setting foreign policy for the United States of America. When you beat up a kid's dad in the back of a parking lot, you should apologize to that kid. So thank you for giving me the opportunity to apologize to Dave Rubin's son. The Jubilee format is always an entertaining joust of ideas with a barrage of big viral moments. That's why I went on it myself last year. But a recent episode featuring Dave Rubin has generated one of the biggest reactions ever. The formerly left-wing podcaster was challenged on his new MAGA credentials by 20 young Democrats who took particular issue with his faltering defence of the Iran war.

1:19We're now in an economic embargo of them, right? We've basically done a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. So to say it's a disastrous war, we did lose, hang on, hang on, we did lose 13 of our soldiers, and that is terrible. And killed over 200 children. But, well, things happen in war, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. If someone is born here, they're an American. If someone believes in the ideals of America, they're an American. No, wait, wait, wait, but that's just not true. Meanwhile, if someone believes in the ideals of America, they're American. So if someone in Canada believes in the ideals of America, they're American, of course that's not true.

1:50To quote the great conservative, What is one main metric that Donald Trump has made better off since he got in office? An example would be GDP, unemployment, inflation, etc. Right now, even the tariffs. All right, so let's do tariffs. Are you for or against tariffs? I'm against the universal tariffs. So what's the main metric that he made better off? What? What's the main metric that he made better off? GDP, unemployment, inflation? Do you have any idea? Listen.

2:13Piers Morgan:Well, reviews of the episode have not been kind. Conservative pundit Dave Rubin branded a complete imbecile, reported the UK's independent newspaper. MAGA host mocked after failing to name any of Trump's achievements, said the Daily Beast. Commentator Mehdi Hassan declared, it's official Dave Rubin is the dumbest man in right-wing media. Glenn Greenwald, meanwhile, said it's not news that Dave Rubin is one of the dumbest people in media, a theme developing there. Well, given that this doesn't seem to have been a fair fight, he decided to invite some of the breakout stars of what's been called the ruin of Rubin.

2:44Piers Morgan:This time they'll face a battle-hardened, uncensored contributor who often defends the indefensible and thinks he can do better. Joining me now is Will Chamberlain, Senior Counsel, Article 3 Project, and he'll be up against Jubilee contributors Mason, Evan Martinez and Hunter Dunn. Well, welcome to all of you. First of all, congratulations to the three members of the Jubilee panel. You did an awful lot better against Mr Rubin than you fared against myself, so congratulations. OK, Piers, right, right. Congratulations on improving your game. But, yeah, the clips have gone viral. They are highly entertaining.

3:19Piers Morgan:You certainly skewered Mr. Rubin. Before we get to you guys, I mean, Will Chamberlain, you obviously saw it too and seen the clips. Why do you think you can fare better against these guys? Oh, I mean, well, I'm pretty good at this thing. I don't know. I'll leave it to I think I'm probably better than Dave at this. And I like Dave a lot, but I think I'm probably a little better than Dave at this. Okay, well, let's put it. What is the thing you like about Dave, Will? I'm actually so curious. Like, what does he contribute to the right-wing space? I mean he's just a good dude like we can just start there he's not really because when I went to do Megan Kelly's show in Miami and did Patrick Ben David's podcast and went to his place in Fort Lauderdale Dave Rubin asked me to go on his podcast which involved going the wrong way out of Miami for an hour and then crisscrossing back to Patrick and I said you know what I'll do it as a favour to a guy that's been on my show a lot So I went and did all that.

4:16Piers Morgan:And literally about three months later, he's dumping all over me in public. And I was like, wow, you really are a duplicitous little shit. And you live and learn. I can only speak to my own inner hands. The idea that Dave Rubin is a good guy, I'm afraid he's not borne out by my experience. I thought he was utterly, utterly duplicitous. Hold on, hold on. I want to vouch for what Will's saying here. Huh? Yeah, I want to vouch for what Will's saying here. I think Dave Rubin has done some real good in the world. Him going on that debate did a lot for my personal political project and for the political project of the left as a whole.

4:48So I would personally want Dave to continue making public appearances. Well, hopefully you guys don't like me at the end of this very much then.

4:54Piers Morgan:OK, look, let's get into it. I think we've heard enough about Dave Rubin anyway. He died a terrible death and it's all gone viral. So let's see how Will gets on. The first thing is about the Iran war. Rubin tried to support his central claim that wokeism did more damage to America than Trump ever did. He did this by justifying the trans-war in Iran. Let's take a listen. You're talking about a 40-day military operation that stopped an apocalyptic regime from getting a nuclear bomb and exporting terrorism throughout the world. We're now in an economic embargo of them, right? We've basically done a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.

5:31So to say it's a disastrous war, we did lose 13 of our soldiers, and that is terrible. And killed over 200 children. But, well, things happen in war, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, things do happen in war. Wait, you can laugh at that. Hold on, hold on, listen. You want to talk? War is the last. If Donald Trump wanted to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, he could have just stuck with the Iran nuclear deal that he ripped up.

5:59Piers Morgan:Well, Will Chamberlain, I mean, you've tried to defend the indefensible war on Iran on my show several times. So present a better case for why it's been such a thumping triumph, given last time I checked, the slain Ayatollah has been replaced by his more radical son. The IRGC remains firmly in control of the country. There's been no popular uprising. The Strait of Hormuz remains completely in the control of the Iranians. And every time anyone tries to threaten them, they fire off rockets at their Gulf state neighbours, causing untold havoc whilst holding the entire world to an economic barrel.

6:36Piers Morgan:I mean, where's the big win, Will? No, I don't think we're winning the ceasefire at this point. I think that President Trump needs to stop dithering and escalate. And so I think that at this point, you have to look and say that the ceasefire hasn't been working. It's weakening our alliances with Israel. We're creating tension there. We're creating tension with the Gulf allies, I think. And we're not achieving anything meaningful with the ceasefire. So I think it's time to escalate. But I want to answer the sort of two points you highlighted from that clip that seems sort of, I think, kind of bizarre and poorly founded.

7:09One argument was apparently that because 200 children died, that therefore the war is a disaster. Well, then, if that's the metric we're using, why is it not a disaster that we didn't intervene and save the 40 ,000 people that were murdered by the Iranians prior to the war? So wait, can I respond to that? Can I respond to that directly? Sure, sure. Why would it not – if civilian death is disastrous as it relates to the Islamic Republic of Iran killing their own people, why would it not be disastrous for the United States to also kill Iranian civilians? If you acknowledge that civilian deaths – Well, then because we would theoretically be saving more because the collateral damage would be less than the number of people we'd be saving from being murdered by their own regime.

7:49Obviously. Except our military intervention has killed 1 ,700 Iranian civilians. We haven't saved anyone. So we're only 5 % of the way there in the same time period. So wait, so your standard is as long as we kill under the amount that the Iranian government has killed at their own people. Oh, I didn't say that. I think 5 % of the pre-dramatic production, don't you think? It's dramatically less, right? And that's also not counting over time the 1 ,000 Americans that have died of the hands of the Iranian regime over the last 30 years. So why exactly is that a standard, right? If we acknowledge that civilian deaths are always going to be an outcome.

8:22You're the one who said it was a disaster because 200 civilians died. Yes, civilians that otherwise would have been alive. Okay, so 40 ,000 civilians died in the interim. Why was it not a disaster that we let that happen? It was a disaster that – we can say that it was a disaster that that happened. But there's no evidence that our military intervention could have actually saved those people. Because considering the fact we've now engaged militarily with Iran. We've engaged militarily. We just have to let the Iranians murder everybody they want. Well, well, well. We're putting aside and it's only led to disaster.

8:53Hang on one second. Hang on one second.

8:56Piers Morgan:Will, Will, Will, when you last appeared on my show several weeks ago, you insisted the United States controls the Strait of Hormuz, which led to some ridicule heading back your way. Do you still believe America controls the Strait of Hormuz? I think that control is contested. I think that's the best way to frame it. They can't get their ships out. We can't get our ships out. Come on, Will. It's not contested. Again, why can't Iran get its ships out? Iran is letting us. Why can't Iran get its ships out? will are you saying that a u.s tomahawk missile striking an elementary school in manab iram was not a disaster yes or no i mean i'm saying it's a mistake and a tragedy so it was a disaster is it not a disaster to you you're even calling it a disaster again it's i mean obviously it's a tragedy that civilians died right like you're the central does everything in its power to avoid Hang on, don't talk over each other, otherwise unfortunately we can't hear you.

9:51Piers Morgan:I mean, I do want to play a clip, Evan. This is where you highlighted Dave Rubin's lack of understanding about enriched uranium. Let's take a listen to some of this. I'm impressed with your talking points. You've got impressive talking points and you memorized them well. They're not correct, but I am impressed. First off, the Iranians admitted in the negotiations right before the war started that they were enriching past what they were allowed to. That's number one. Number two, can you agree or verify their claims? It's one thing to say, oh, this is what we're doing, this is what we are agreed to, etc.

10:24But you have to be able to verify that. And the idea that we have people on the ground or the UN or some third-party organization that can verify what they're actually doing. The IAEA assessments agree with me. And Tulsi Gabbard, our director of national intelligence, testified in front of Congress last year. And according to the entire intelligence community, Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program. Okay, that they didn't have a nuclear reference program. They were enriching past the point that they were allowed to force civilian use. Everyone knows that.

10:53Piers Morgan:Most people were shaking their heads at that point. Will, yeah, I will bring the others in, don't worry. Yeah, so I think the central point that I made to Dave in that debate after I brought up the Iranian schoolchildren is that even if we just acknowledge, okay, civilian deaths happen in war, that's why war has to be a last resort. And if this war is about Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, what preceded Iran getting to 60 % enriched uranium? It was Donald Trump unilaterally withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018. Have you invented a time machine? Iran did not enrich past the 3.67 % agreed upon in the JCPOA.

11:30I'll finish my point and then you can speak. Iran did not enrich past the 3.67 % agreed upon in the JCPOA until Donald Trump unilaterally withdrew from that deal. Iran is closer today. In fact, the IAEA actually came out just today on June 3rd, that Iran is actually more likely to pursue nuclear weapons. You've actually made the case for the Iranian hardliners that you can't negotiate with the Americans, because if you come to a deal with the Americans, they'll just unilaterally withdraw from the deal. And if they attempt to negotiate again with the Americans like they did in either the 12-day war or now, they'll just use negotiations as a ruse and attack you during negotiations.

12:10Iran is actually at a stronger negotiating point with their leverage when it comes to the Strait of Hormuz. And there's a reason why they are threatening to withdraw from negotiations. They have the leverage in the situation. There's no indication that we militarily have weakened their negotiating leverage point. OK, do you have a time machine? No. Right. OK, so why is a terminated 10-year-old deal relevant to the decision to go to war in 2026? because Donald Trump uses so I'll explain I'll explain your question you asked the question I'll explain because the the administration uses the fact that Iran was enriching past the need for civilian use and up to 60 percent as one of the reasons cited as as to indicate that they were pursuing a nuclear weapon but they did not do that it before before Donald Trump unilaterally pulled out of that that decision so they are doing it now so should we just ignore it okay Yeah, but my question, my question, Will, would be this.

13:09Piers Morgan:It's obviously irrelevant. Will, do you accept if the Iranians do not hand over the enriched uranium and it's not seized by American or Israeli forces and therefore remains in Iranian possession, that if the goal was to stop their nuclear ambitions, then the goal has failed? Do you accept that? I think that basically that means that we have only partially succeeded in the goal because we have still set back their program with overall, you know, the overall effort. But we certainly haven't fully achieved it. And I think that's a pretty unsatisfying outcome. OK, let's go to the second. I'm still like having trouble understanding which story Will is adopting because I've heard from so many different officials in the Trump administration.

13:51I mean, no longer Tulsi Gabbard saying that Iran was not pursuing a nuclear weapon. Marco Rubio. In that very testimony, she says that they have an enriched uranium. Other Trump officials say we were never an award to begin with. This was a small military operation. Trump's saying that we depleted their ability to build a nuclear weapon last year and now saying that we have to increase the conflict to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon. I just don't really know which story to buy when I'm hearing so many contradicting narratives from every member of the Trump administration. So which one do you adopt?

14:19They're perfectly reconcilable. I mean, it just seems like you haven't really been paying very much attention. So we both depleted their ability to build a nuclear weapon last year with Operation Warhammer. And now we have to do Operation Warhammer to stop them from building a nuclear weapon again? To prevent them from reconstituting their program, yes. Donald Trump said that we destroyed their ability to last year. Were they already rebuilding? Yeah, they were set back years. Were they in the weaponization process? It wasn't permanently eliminated, but they were set back years, yes. So where is your evidence that shows that we are entering into a new weaponization process?

14:53I mean, they're not going to do the weaponization until they're at a point where they would be in a position to immediately break out and do it. That's why you don't let people get to 60 percent and risk uranium. That's why literally the IAEA was freaking out in the most recent report. Like, all right. Interesting, Will. Interesting, Will. You don't. Okay. Let me just. And then hundreds of thousands of Americans could die. This is why your guy's position is so obviously facile. And, you know, why 25-year-olds in Los Angeles shouldn't be setting foreign policy for the United States of America. Like, obviously, you shouldn't just...

15:23You know what? I would actually quite... I've got to say, hang on, hang on, hang on.

15:30Piers Morgan:I've got to say, I would quite like a bunch of 25-year-olds to be running this Iran foreign policy right now. It would probably make more sense... Sorry, you guys lost the war. More sense than the utterly confusing quagmire that we're now being dragged into with goalposts changing every three minutes. I want to move to another clip from the Rubin ruin. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile, with a message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please, for the love of everything good in this world, stop. With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just$15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments, but that's weird.

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16:19Piers Morgan:This is where he tries to talk about the economic metrics that have made America better under Donald Trump. Let's take a listen. What is one main metric that Donald Trump has made better off since he got in office? An example would be GDP, unemployment, inflation, etc. Right now, first off, the big, beautiful bill was just passed last year and it's kicking in now, right? It's kicking in now. So we are going to now see results of that. Like even the tariffs. All right, so let's do tariffs. Are you for or against tariffs? I'm against the universal tariff. So what's the main metric that he made better off?

16:49What? What's the main metric that he made better off? GDP, unemployment, inflation? Do you have any idea? Listen.

16:59Piers Morgan:Hashtag orcs. I believe, Mason, you want to say something about that? Yeah, I mean, whatever Will's going to try to say is like this abstract idea that the economy is great is probably going to say like the stock market's at all time highs, even though that's been increasing. Stock market's abstract? What are you talking about? well when you're talking about a metric that probably it's a mythical being like a mythical genocide in gaza market that applies to probably 20 americans well rent is continuing to skyrocket people are seeing increases at the grocery store or their gas prices are skyrocketing because of this bullshit foreign policy from the trump administration these aren't really good economic consumer dependent i mean the the fact that most americans feel like the economy is leaving them shows that Donald Trump lied on every variable.

17:45Who's really interested in metrics? Now you're just talking about how people feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are great at this, man. I'll do this all day. Oh my God. Violent crime is down 10 % nationwide. Murders are down 20%. Crossings at the border are down 95%. It's one of, you know, the stock market's up 20%. Immigration crime, the economy, the administration's killing it. In places where federal resources have surged, it's down 35%. Explain to me what policies Donald Trump implemented to get these metrics. Yeah, he imposed a massive new increase in federal resources, surging to impose law and order.

18:18He ended the ridiculous woke nonsense at the FBI. What law are you talking about? And surged federal resources and put the National Guard on the ground in D.C. That made the whole city much, much safer. It's so funny how you guys talk about law and order. Massively liberated energy production in the United States. Massive deregulatory. Will, let me ask you one question.

18:34Piers Morgan:Does the average American feel better off now? Will doesn't care. He said he doesn't give a shit about what Americans feel. I don't know, but we're talking about metrics. He said, I don't care if gas prices are going higher. Will, you want to talk metrics? My point would be, President Trump campaigned to keep America out of pointless wars in the Middle East and campaigned to raise living standards and reduce inflation for the average American. Right. So my question is, my question is, my question is, he's now waged the biggest possible war in the Middle East, which is turning into an increasingly pointless war.

19:13Piers Morgan:And at the same time, the the the the financial situation, economic situation of the average American has been damaged by it. It's just inarguable, isn't it? No, I don't think so, actually. I mean, like with the stock market up 20 percent, I think in general, the overall economy is booming. You're seeing a lot of economic progress. And I mean, honestly, you're saying people are like oil prices have skyrocketed. Here's the statistic for you today. If you actually look at the oil spot price, eighty two dollars a barrel. You know what it was under the last two years, the Biden administration on average, seventy seven dollars a barrel.

19:45And that's with a war in the Strait of Hormuz, obviously massively disrupting the oil supply. President Trump's doing a lot of things in order to make up for that. The brilliant stroke of genius in Venezuela that flipped an adversary to an ally overnight. The general liberation of our overall energy supply. Also, I don't know why these guys are so upset about energy prices being higher. Aren't they all environmentalists? Aren't you all global warming freaks? Let me bring in Hunter. I want to bring in Hunter Dunn now.

20:13Piers Morgan:Hunter, you've been very patient. Now, you attacked Rubin's claim that the modern left cares more about ideology than reality by countering with a claim Donald Trump is attacking the fundamental fabric that makes America America in regard to immigration. Let's take a listen. Make America Great Again is an ideological claim, that they are trying to make America great again. That is fundamentally incongruous with reality because Donald Trump is not making America great. He's attacking the fundamental fabric that makes America America. For example, birthright citizenship. One of the things that distinguishes us from other countries in the Western world, in first world countries, is that we have just solely.