“Get the F*** Out of Gaza!” Trump Seals Israel-Hamas Peace Deal | With Cenk Uygur & Daniella Weiss

23:33Piers Morgan:For him, that will be a win in itself. The Nobel Committee has been secretly deliberating nominations made globally from governments, judges, scholars and previous winners. The shortlist is always secret, many know the nominations made public by the people who made them. One eyebrow-raising name they will be discussing is Daniela Weiss, leader of the fundamentalist Israeli settler movement, Nahala, who joined me to make her final pitch on peace, democracy and human rights. Welcome back, Daniela Weiss, to Uncensored. First of all, you've been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. I have to say that given our last interview, this certainly was a surprise to me that you were being seen as somebody driving peace.

24:16Piers Morgan:But do you think that you are worthy of this honour? Well, it was a surprise for me too. The one who is most interested in it is my husband. He just wanted to know how much money it is and if he has to pay tax. But if we put this aside, I don't think that that price is something that is more important than what I do all my life. I dedicate my life to establishing communities on the mountain ridge. And now I intend, even now, to build, to establish communities in the entire Gaza area. After the hostages are home, and I hope they will be with their families in the coming two, three days. And then we will continue with our efforts to establish Jewish communities in Gaza.

25:18I think that wherever Jews live, there is more chance for peace than in areas where there are no Jewish communities. So I didn't ask for the prize. But if I compare what I do or what the Hala movement, my movement, does to other people or to other organizations, I think that we do a lot for peace in the Middle East and in the world.

25:49Piers Morgan:But as you know, since the start of this war two years ago, there has been aggressive expansion of settlements on the West Bank, for example, very aggressively fought for and land seized and Palestinians displaced from their homes. I wouldn't categorise that as... I wouldn't categorise that as peaceful actions. In fact, it's quite the opposite, isn't it? It is strange to call what Jews do in their homeland, in the land that was given to us by God, to call this grabbing or by force. This is our land. This is our homeland. And to be specific, we care to establish communities on government property.

26:38So, I mean, the word that you used should be taken back by you.

26:42Piers Morgan:Well, not really. Because it's not right. Well, let me explain why I won't. Because the UK government sanctioned you in May of this year. In the sanctions, you were described as having been involved in threatening, perpetrating, promoting and supporting acts of aggression and violence against Palestinian individuals. The vast majority of the international community, including the UK, considers these settlements illegal under international law. Last year, the UN's top court, the International Court of Justice, said Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories is against international law. You know, when I last interviewed you...

27:16Piers Morgan:It's very strange. You didn't even use the term Palestinians when I spoke to you last time. Are you prepared to acknowledge there are Palestinians? First of all, I think the British government made a big mistake by ignoring that the initial right to the land of Israel Israel is the right of the Jews. Palestinians are an invention. And it was invented as a result of the big success of the ingathering of the Jews to the land of Israel after 2 ,000 years' diaspora. When was Israel created? When was Israel created?

28:00Yes. We were created in the year 1948 of the creation of the world. Just to be clear, the state of Israel has only existed... No, no, most people don't know. No, you missed me because it didn't... Start shouting. 1948. One second. 1948 for the creation of the world. It's interesting to see that when Abraham got the promise from God for the land of Israel, the world existed 1948. And now in modern history, in 1948, the modern Jewish state was established. That was the only historical point that I wanted to make. You didn't let me finish the sentence, so I had to raise my voice. I have no intention to have any fight with you.

28:56I want to have a pleasant talk.

28:58Piers Morgan:I don't mind what kind of conversation we have. But you say the Palestinians don't exist. I didn't get your comment. Your position is that the Palestinians don't exist. So what are they? It's an invention. It's an invention that is secondary to the important fact that the Jewish nation, that the land of Israel, belongs only to one nation, and this is the Jewish nation. The Palestinians are Arabs who try to compete with the big success of the Jews in the land of Israel. And actually the word Palestine was used by Adrian, the Roman emperor. But the modern Palestinians are Arabs who want the same place that the Jews made a paradise of.

29:52They want to take it from us. and we won't let it happen.

29:55Piers Morgan:But actually what's happening is you want to take their land, isn't it? OK, so you make your position, I make mine, and the world will judge. And, I mean, you know, it's interesting that when there are historical facts that can be proven and then you still cling to what? I really don't understand what history you represent. Well, just taking your argument to its logical extension, then you believe that Israelis and Jewish people should be entitled to all of the West Bank and all of Gaza if it's your land, as you say... Not just all of the West Bank. It's not bank. Bank is a narrow place. It's the major part of the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.

30:51So you would like, just to be clear... It's not a bank.

30:52Piers Morgan:Just to be clear, you would like all of the land between... From the river to the sea to be Israeli Jewish, yeah? I want all the land from the Ephritis to the Nile. What do you mean? Why hide the history? I'm curious what you intend to do with all the Palestinians who currently live there. Those... You see, I have... I trust... In God, I trust. and I live by faith, by Emunah and by the Bible. Yeah, but what are you going to do with all the millions of Palestinians? What happens... I'm telling you, what Joshua... Joshua, the first settlers, he gave me the... I don't need a history lesson. I'm just asking you, what do you intend to do with the millions of Palestinians who currently live in Gaza and the West Bank?

31:43Exactly what Joshua did.

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33:11And those who do not accept our sovereignty, our government, they will go to other places. There is a clear formula. So I do not have to... Well, there is a clear formula. I just go by the Bible.

33:24Piers Morgan:But again, to be clear, your clear formula, there's a legal term for it. It's called ethnic cleansing. What you're saying is if Palestinian people do not subscribe to the fact they should be ruled by Israel and have you as their sovereign state, then they have to leave, right? So six, seven million Palestinians would have to leave and go and live elsewhere. That's your position. Well, why do... I know from modern history that when there was an attempt to switch between Arabs who live in Judea and Samaria and those who live inside the official state of Israel, Arabs did not want to leave Israel because we are a successful country, because it's good to live in Israel.

34:08So Arabs who accept Israel and who accept the state of Israel and who accept the government of Israel, they live here good life.

34:17Piers Morgan:So if a Palestinian agrees that they should live under the sovereignty of Israel, they can stay. But if they don't, they have to leave. They stay. But if they don't, they have to leave. Sure. Great. So really what you're saying is you're a superior race who should be dominant over the Palestinian people. You know, it's a funny story. I want to be polite. I don't find any of this very funny. What do you say? I don't think any of this is very funny. No, I'll tell you why I laugh. Because I can use the word superior. Like, if the French is proud of being French, he's superior to the British. And you know the famous, not famous, a joke that the British say that the continent was, because of fog, was cut off from England.

35:16England is the empire and the continent is secondary. So do you see in this superiority? What do you see in it? Each nation is proud of its heritage, of its culture, of its tradition. What's superior about it? Israel is our homeland. It's the homeland of the Jewish nation, and we are proud of it. Those who do not accept it will not stay. God forbid, if you go to another country and you do not accept the rules of the other country, then you cannot stay. So what's superior in it?

35:53Piers Morgan:This is why I say it's funny. We all hear you loud and clear. It's funny to distort such a basic thing. This is one of the more ludicrous pitches for a Nobel Peace Prize I think I've ever heard in my life. but I appreciate you joining me on Uncensored. Daniela Weiss, thank you very much. You're most welcome. Well, returning to the controversy surrounding protests now, and I'm joined in the studio by Zak Polanski, leader of the UK Green Party. I mean, just on that interview, Zak, your response to that. I mean, this is not an unusual thought process. There are hardline members of this Israeli government, Smodrich, Ben Givir and others, and increasingly from his rhetoric, Prime Minister Netanyahu, who probably don't necessarily disagree with what we've just heard, who do actually think this is all Israel's land and they should be entitled to have it back.

36:39Piers Morgan:I thought it was an extraordinary interview to talk about from the river to the sea, but in terms of the genocide of the Palestinians, which she couldn't have been much clearer about. You encouraged her to give more information and she backtracked a little bit, but the intent was very clear. It's not just senior ministers. The Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu talked about the Amalek, talking about the smiting of the Palestinians. So I think the mask is well and truly off. And, you know, what I would say to this is for that person, Daniela Weiss, to be given a Nobel Peace Prize shows the absolute incoherency around the world's response.

37:14Piers Morgan:To be clear, I don't think she's going to, and I think the process for nominations is quite flawed. It allows people like her to be nominated and then claim to be nominated. But there's another flip side to this, which has been the flip side from the start, which is that Hamas are also wedded to a genocidal onslaught against the Jewish people. They've made no pretense of it, what they did on October 7th, two years ago, in their marauding over the border with 1 ,200 people murdered, 250-plus kidnapped. You know, the devastation they wrought, the murder, the mayhem, and their vow to keep doing this.

37:51Piers Morgan:Do you share the same view about Hamas as you do about those who would seek to expel all Palestinians? I condemn all the violence, including from a terrorist organisation. And you accept that Hamas is a terror organisation? Of course, they kill civilians and that's literally the definition. I mean, the BBC don't call them terrorists. Well, the UN were very clear that Hamas are committing war crimes and Israel are committing war crimes, in fact, a genocide. But our British government only talk about one of those, which is Hamas. We never hear them talk about the war crimes that they're active participants in.

38:18But do you think the Israeli government is a terrorist organisation? I think the Israeli army, certainly, in terms of... should be prescribed in terms of when we look at the behaviour and the way they've behaved. There's a surgeon, a British surgeon called Nick Maynard. He was in one of the hospitals. He said that on one day you would see every casualty would come in with an ankle injury, the next an abdomen, the next day teenage boys would have wounds in their testicles. The only conclusion you could make is that the Israeli government were using these children as target practice. That's disgusting behaviour.

38:44I think more widely though, so there's only been five Jewish people in the last 100 years in Britain who have led a political party. I'm one of them. So I felt October 7th very deeply as I know the entire Jewish community. In fact, the entire world did. At the same time, that can never justify the response that we've seen from this Israeli government. And, in fact, just yesterday, I think we heard Andrew Neill say that Israel might be losing the peace. I think that's... Yeah, I thought it was a very...

39:08Piers Morgan:He said a very good thing, actually, on camera. I read the transcript to it. And there's no doubt that polling yesterday, I saw, I think, Washington Post, but it showed that most Israelis now want this over, and most Israelis' view of Netanyahu has plummeted now from his high, some several months into the war, which may be one of the reasons why he's being slow in getting across the line here. It's interesting that you categorise Hamas as a terror group, only because in the UK the BBC do not yet, which I find enduringly baffling. But Palestine Action is a complex one. So they're a British direct action group that was prescribed as a terrorist organisation by the government in July.

39:51Piers Morgan:and to be clear, that means membership or support of the group is a criminal offence punishable by up to 14 years in prison. Now, this came after activists broke into Bryce Norton, the big RAF base, in June, and caused£7 million worth of damage by spray-painting two RAF Voyager planes. They claimed responsibility, so there was a protest against the UK's support of Israel's war in Gaza and, as a consequence, had been designated a terror organisation. more than 2 ,000 people have been arrested at demonstrations across the UK. You oppose this categorisation. Why? It's absolutely outrageous. We're seeing 89-year-olds with walking sticks and wheelchairs being arrested.

40:30The conversation we just had about whether...

40:33Piers Morgan:If they were carrying, just on that point, if they were carrying Hamas flags, would you accept they should be arrested? Well, I think that's a completely separate... Well, no, it's a hypothetical, but I want to understand that it's not about whether they're 89 years old, is my point. It's what they're doing. Yeah, well, I don't think anyone should be carrying a Hamas flag. But if your 89-year-old you're talking about was carrying a Hamas flag at a protest rally, would you accept that there was a right to arrest them? I think arresting anyone for carrying a flag is probably a silly way to... So, in other words, the point I'm making is the age is kind of irrelevant.

41:04Piers Morgan:It's what they're doing. Well, I think the real point here is that we need to see a free Palestine. We know that a lot of the population in this country, the majority of the population, are disgusted by what they're seeing, and they're disgusted by what they're seeing as a genocide. And rather than worrying about the flags or the words, I think the government needs to worry about the bombs, the fighter jet components they're selling, which are literally raining down on the Palestinian people. But if somebody wants to be a British Prime Minister, I presume at some stage, otherwise why go into politics?

41:29Piers Morgan:You'd like to lead the country. Well, at the moment, I'm focused on getting more MPs and challenging the favour of government. But you don't become a politician not to one day lead... You're not going to encourage me to do a Joe Swinson on your show, so... I can't even remember what Joe Swinson did. She said that she was going to be Prime Minister and promptly lost her seat. Well, do you not want to be? At the moment, I'm really, really focused on the central mission, which is we've just got 90 ,000 members... I thought you were a bit of a straight talker. I am a completely straight talker. Do you want to be Prime Minister or not?

41:52I want to make sure that there's a Green Prime Minister in the future. Whether that's me or not, that's going to be for the British public to decide.

41:57Piers Morgan:I'm trying to work out the headline is, Zach Polanski, I do not want to be Prime Minister, or I do. That's definitely not the headline. The headline is, right now, I'm focused on growing those 90 ,000 members. We've got nearly 2 million votes. But ultimately, you want power, otherwise you can't do anything. Yes, I absolutely want to see a Green Prime Minister. Otherwise, you're just talking. Right. Right. So a politician obviously needs the mechanism of power. Otherwise, you can't do anything you're talking about. Totally. But at the same time... So, de facto, you want to be prime minister, don't you?

42:20Piers Morgan:Otherwise, how can you do anything? At the moment, I'm focused on being elected. Otherwise, why am I interviewing you? Seriously? Why would I listen to a word you say? So you only interview people who want to be prime minister in the next general election. Yes, because if you genuinely don't aspire for power, you can't do any of the things you're talking about. I really want to see a Green government. I really want to see a Green prime minister. Whether that person is me or not, I think it's a separate conversation. Why wouldn't it be you, then? Because at the moment we've only got four MPs, and even as the leader of the party, I don't expect to be in power at the next election.

42:44Really? Yeah. Why? I don't think there'll be a Green government, because I don't think there'll even be a Nigel Farage reform government.

42:49Piers Morgan:Singular lack of ambition. No, because we have a first-pass-for-post system. I have a postcard on my desk in my office, and it was given to me by my mother, and it's a hippopotamus flying with a flock of seagulls, and the headline, Ambition Knows No Bounds. Right. That's fuelled me my entire life. Why would you be so lacking in ambition? I'm deeply ambitious. I want to make sure that the Green Party is in the balance of power and the next election will be calling for a wealth tax, proportional representation and action on the climate crisis. I think that's pretty ambitious. Do you think the British people are going to be supporting and voting for somebody who thinks it's OK to go and smash up planes, RAF bases, planes which are used by us to defend our country?

43:29I think the British police, British police, British public will absolutely support someone who says that we stand against this genocide and we stand against the non-violent right to pray.

43:37Piers Morgan:Well, the UK government has not categorised it as genocide. And there's a reason for that, as you know, right? And the reason for that is that there has never been an established genocide by the International Court, ever. I mean, it's incoherent to not call this a genocide. Anyone can look on their phone or their TV screens. Rwanda, for example, was never actually determined to be a genocide. The bar for a genocide is incredibly high. That's why I've resisted using that word. I think I prefer the word ethnic cleansing for what's going on. I think the word genocide gets tossed around. It was tossed around within days of October 7th, which I found nonsensical.

44:12Piers Morgan:Well, let's start from first principles. If there's an ethnic cleansing going on, should we not stop it? Yes. Well, I think then the word... I think words do matter. Well, of course they matter, and I think it's very clearly a genocide. And, by the way, most genocide scholars... But why would you not think that actually going in, breaking into bases illegally, causing millions of pounds worth of damage to planes is not an act of terror? Because there's a genocide going on, or, as you call it, an ethnic cleansing. But that's whataboutery. I'm talking about what they actually did. No, it doesn't mean whataboutery at all.

44:39I think that's the British public saying if our politicians are not going to listen to us, we're going to take non-violent direct action. It wasn't non-violent.

44:46Piers Morgan:It was literally breaking up planes. I don't think the plane's going to cry from its hurt wounds. I think this is ultimately about making... Well,£7 million worth of taxpayer money was taken to repair the damage to these planes. What's that plane going to do, Pits? What's that plane going to do? All sorts of things. Possibly go and kill people, right, and drop bombs. Possibly defend the country against an attack, as it did in World War II, as it might do if Vladimir Putin decides to fire some rockets away. The idea that the RAF only do things that you don't like or agree with is insulting to you.

45:16Piers Morgan:Well, I think you put words in my mouth. I think the RAF... You said, what do they do? It's an RAF plane. What do you think they do? Well, when we're supplying RAF planes to Gaza and to share intelligence and flyover while we're massacring people, on average, a childhood... a classroom of children are dying every single day. I think it's about getting back to those first principles that all of this is happening. It's happening in our name. So you would ground all RAF planes now? From being involved with the genocide, absolutely. Where would you allow them to be involved? Well, if they're defending our country, as you said, but as far as I know at the moment, we're not being invaded.

45:49Piers Morgan:Would you allow them to be involved in any overseas military action? Well, I think there is a question about Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, all places we've had interventions in, and all places, in fact, Iraq that you famously opposed, and quite rightly too, where we've actually made things worse. So I'm not a pacifist. I think there are times when we do need to get involved with war, where we do need to make sure we're defending our own country. But I don't see any of that applying in Palestine. You see, if I take your 89-year-old, I have a problem just with the free speech thing and the way it's going in this country.

46:15Piers Morgan:It seems to me ridiculous. When Graham Linderham was arrested at an airport by five armed police for jokes on X, it's ridiculous. Well, I think they were armed because he was in an airport. I've heard that argument. Actually, there are many unarmed cops at the airport. But most cops in the airport are armed, right? Many are armed and many are not armed. So I think it's a bit of a fatuous... Do you really think, though, they said, we've got Graham Linehan, let's go get some... I don't know why they're arresting any British citizen for jokes on eggs. It's ridiculous. I think talking about punching someone in the balls...

46:42Piers Morgan:It was an obvious joke, wasn't it? I don't think it's funny, though. You've been to a Ricky Gervais show. OK, let's start with this. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hate crime against LGBT people has gone up 125 % Have you been to a Ricky Gervais show? In the last five years. So Ricky Gervais should be arrested? I would rather pinch my eyes out than go to see a Ricky Gervais show. But that's fine. Ricky Gervais is entitled to go make those jokes. He's actually hilarious. Jokes and inciting violence are very different things. And I think we've got to have a line. You'd agree there's a line, right? I think it was obvious the joke he was making.

47:10What, punching people in the balls?

47:12Piers Morgan:Well, let me ask you, the build-up to that joke was he does not believe that biological men should be using women's spaces. Do you? I think the phrase biological men needs unpacking them. Not really. You're either born male or female. Yes, and then lots of people transition and lots of people identify as other things. Well, yeah, but this idea you can become a woman... It's not about free speech, but what about tolerance? You know, for a long time... Yeah, but what about women's rights? Well, women's rights are totally fine. In fact, well... They're not, though, are they? They've come under massive attack.

47:38I would say they're totally fine. You didn't let me finish the sentence. They're totally fine in reference to trans people. The problems that women have are gynecology appointments that they need, the gender pay gap, violence against women and girls, domestic abuse. These are the problems. These aren't the problems of trans people. Do you think trans athletes should be... These are the problems of cis men. Should trans athletes be in women's sport? Yes. What? If a trans athlete is a woman... Nonsense!

48:03Piers Morgan:..then of course they should be in the sport. But they're not a woman, they're a man. Well, I think that's deeply offensive. They're born biological men. They can call themselves trans women. I'll respect them. If they want to be called she or he, that's fine. I don't care. But what you can't have is biological males competing in women's sport. Everybody with half a brain knows this is completely outrageous, wrong, dangerous, as we saw in the Paris Olympics, where you had a boxer quitting after 40 seconds because she'd never been hit that hard in the ring by somebody who turns out as male chromosomes.

48:34Piers Morgan:And you want to be prime minister of this country. Well, maybe you don't, we're not sure. But either way, you want to lead a party in this country that thinks that's fine. I'm glad that you think this is the number one issue when I actually want to talk about the cost of living crisis and inequality. I think it's actually a much more important issue. Let's talk about sports. Essentially, there is a whole spectrum of testosterone and oestrogen, which you have in terms of people who are biologically sexed. You're a man or woman, and men should... I think that's the simplistic, stupid argument. If you don't actually look at the information and have any nuance or complexity in it.

49:01Piers Morgan:If you're born a biological man and you want to identify as a trans woman, you'll have my full respect. You can have exactly the same rights... You don't sound very respectful. No, no, I do. It sounds very insulting. No, no, I've always said I want them to have the exact same rights to fairness, equality and safety as me and you. Do you know how many people in the country care about this when you poll them? Less than 1%. It's interesting that we talk about this so much. What's going on in there? Could it be that we're trying to distract from the wealth of multimillionaires and billionaires, the fact that people are homeless, the fact that people are struggling on the street by talking about trans people.

49:31When they're more victims of inequality itself. We should be talking about the inequality and not this culture war bollocks.

49:38Piers Morgan:You might think defending women's rights is bollocks. No, defending women's rights is really, really important, but we're not defending women's rights right now. We're in a silly culture war discussion that isn't defending women's rights. You want to trash women's rights. Let's talk about the police force who are institutionally misogynistic and sexist. Let's have a conversation about that. That's a different issue. That's about women's rights. That's not about trans rights. OK. But actually, you want to trample on women's rights in sport? No, I don't know at all. You said you're fine with biological men competing in women's sport.

50:04Because a trans woman is a woman, so I'm not trampling on their rights. What I'm doing is defending their rights.

50:08Piers Morgan:But the UK Supreme Court has established that a male is a male and a female is a female. The UK Supreme Court's job is to look at... Yeah, of course they're wrong. Their job is to look at what's been legislated for. The legislation is wrong, and we should get better parliamentarians who actually stand by trans people. Do you think a woman can... I recognise they're a marginalised group in this country who are being bullied by people like you, Piers, with wealth and power, who should know better than to target these people rather than targeting the actual problem in this country. Can a woman have a penis?

50:34Piers Morgan:Yes. It's going to take them a long time on the National Health Service to get rid of it, but that's another separate problem. I think we'll leave it on a woman can have a penis. I think you're lacking nuance and complexity about a pretty complicated conversation. You couldn't have been clearer. I'm clear, because actually when you want to look at the science... You were crystal clear. Ask a simple question. But you're laughing at it, which I think demeans trans people. I think it's an absolutely ridiculous response. What have you got against trans people? Why are you punching down? Why are you not saying the real problem in this country?

50:59Piers Morgan:I've already told you that I think trans people... You sound like you have a huge problem with trans people. No, no. It sounds to me like you don't understand what a woman is, which I think is a huge problem for someone leading a party in this country. A woman is a gender. Sorry? You said, what's a woman? No, a woman is a biological female. And gender is complicated. Gender is a spectrum. It's not complicated. A woman is a biological spectrum. Is it that binary? Do you think people are born male and female? Not necessarily. Oh, for God's sake. I think it's more complicated than that. It's not more complicated, Zach.

51:27Well, it's not more complicated than that if you're a TV show host who wants to make it binary and ridiculous. Zach, you're going to have to work this stuff out, mate. But actually, if you want to have a nuanced conversation

51:33Piers Morgan:that actually reflects science and information... You know, when I asked you if you want to be Prime Minister, there is not a cat in hell's chance of you ever becoming Prime Minister if you don't know what a woman is. Well, you'll see us going up in the polls. We're the most favourable party in London right now, so let's see about that. Why do you start going out tomorrow with your big campaign that women can have penises? I'm going to be going out tomorrow with my big campaign about inequality in this country, between the multimillionaires and billionaires and working-class communities who are really suffering.

51:57When people see you say to me, women have a penis, Well, because you're trying to distract from inequality. And actually, I think those people don't care about the conversation. If you want to be Prime Minister... They just care about the fact they want to put food on the table,

52:07Piers Morgan:eating their homes, and that's trans people as well. You are a fast-emerging politician in this country. I'm perfectly entitled to ask you what you believe. You're absolutely entitled. And you've been crystal clear what you believe. People are entitled to see the ludicrousness of these questions rather than tackling the inequality and the fact we're not funding a national health service, the fact we've got schools crumbling, the fact that people are struggling to put food on the table. That's what people are worried about, not trans people. OK. Actually, they're worried about women's rights. I'm worried about women's rights too, but as I said, I offered several times to talk about the police force.

52:36I offered several times to talk about the inequality pay gap. No, you want to talk about other things. I get that. I want to talk about women's rights. Let's have a conversation about women's rights, but let's not talk about trans women specifically. You think women have penises? You said to me, can a woman have a penis? Yeah. And I said, yes, so if they're transitioning, for instance, then of course a woman can have a penis. It's complete bullshit. When were you a doctor or an expert in women's rights?

52:55Piers Morgan:The UK Supreme Court has made it crystal clear what a woman is. But that's not the Supreme Court's job. The Supreme Court's job is to look at legislation... Lay down the law of a man. ..and then make a legal ruling. OK. So you know more than the Supreme Court? Well, yes, actually, in this case, yes, I do. Zach Polanski, it's good to meet you. Lovely to meet you, Piers. That was a flavour. Best of luck on your campaign to become British Prime Minister. If you need a biology lesson, you can find me after the show. I definitely won't be coming to you, Piers. Excellent. Well, joining me in the studio to debate the issue of protests and free speech is Israeli-American journalist Emily Schrader and the president of the Australian-Palestine advocacy network, Nasser Mashner.

53:29Piers Morgan:Well, welcome to both of you. Well, Emily, you were listening to that. This could be the future of the UK. Well, you know, I'm not going to comment on all of the women's issues and the internal issues because I'm not British, but I will say that I find it very disappointing to hear anyone who is advocating for a lack of respect for the rule of law. Whether someone is 89 years old or 19 years old, if they're breaking what the law is, that needs to be taken seriously, and that is the job of the police. It's not their job to legislate or make the laws, it's their job to enforce the laws, and I think that needs to be respected.

54:00And it's very problematic, the actions of the Palestine Action Group, and the fact that they don't have any respect for British law or even for the RAF.

54:08Piers Morgan:Is it terrorism, though, to spray on a plane if you think that plane should not be used in Gaza? Is that an act of terrorism, or is an act of vandalism by people a peaceful act of vandalism, albeit one that causes material damage? I don't think you could say that it's a peaceful action at all. I think it's clearly illegal and it is vandalism. It's not up to me to decide as someone who isn't British, who isn't a legislator here, whether or not that's terrorism. Terrorism is politically motivated violence against civilians, traditionally. But that's not a plane. Correct. Correct. Which is why I personally would categorise it as vandalism, but that has not been made my decision.

54:43It's a decision by the UK government.

54:44Piers Morgan:But the point being, as Zach Polanski pointed out, is if you've got 89-year-old people who are supporting this group, being arrested for supporting a terrorist group, does that sit easily with you? Well, I don't think it's up to me to decide. It's up to the police. And if that's what the government has determined as a terrorist group, then it is up to the police to enforce that law. Whether or not they should be designated as a terror group specifically, that's an entirely different issue. It doesn't matter whether the person is 89 years old or 19, as I said, or even if they pose an actual threat, It matters whether or not they're a member of a designated terror group.

55:16Piers Morgan:Okay. Nasser, I'm going to play a clip. This is of an incident in New York yesterday, I believe, where it's pretty clear what these protesters were saying. So let's take a look. We must show up. We must show up. Lounger than we did the first October 7th. Lounger than we did the first October 7th. Lounger than we did the first October 7th. Lounger than we did the first October 7th. To make it clear. To make it clear. That we are not going anywhere. We will keep fighting. Until Palestine is free. Until Palestine is free. The problem with that, Nazar, is that that is not... I don't call that a peaceful protest.

55:59Piers Morgan:When you have people shouting, we're going to do it louder than October 7th, what else can that mean other than an incitement to violence? Look, I can't speak to the intention of the speakers or what they meant or what anybody's articulation of. But this is what the whole protest thing is about, is that are they inciting violence? Are they supporting Hamas? Or are they just peacefully protesting against what they see as a genocide of Ghazan people? This is why it really matters. When I see a clip like that in America yesterday, that speaker whipped up a crowd to say, we should do things louder than we did on October 7th.

56:36Piers Morgan:That, to me, is a clear incitement to terrorism. Well, that's in the United States, We're in Britain, I'm an Australian. But the same principle really applies around the world. Well, I don't know, Piers. I think we need to look at what happened on October 7, but also what happened on October 6 and take all of the context of the situations. What we often framed is that this all happened, that there's a war between Israel and Hamas. Israel's at war with Palestinians. When a settler colony comes in and needs to extinguish, to eradicate the Indigenous people, they will do what they did in the country I was born in, in Australia, in North America, New Zealand, et cetera.

57:08Israel failed. The Zionist experiment failed in ethnically cleansing and extinguishing all of the Palestinians. And the Palestinians, for an oppressor, peace is when the oppressed isn't resisting, when they're silent.

57:22Piers Morgan:Would you categorise October 7th as an act of resistance? I would classify Palestinians having a right to fight against their oppressors as legitimate. That wasn't the question. Was what happened on October 7th, two years ago, an act of resistance? Palestinians rose up and resisted Israeli oppression. This is my problem. It wasn't an act of resistance. It was an act of despicable terrorism. Babies being kidnapped. Holocaust victims being kidnapped. People being tortured, set on fire. Homes set ablaze. We live in this world where nothing can justify October 7, yet October 7 justifies everything.

58:01You did justify it. 731 days. You did just justify it. 731 days where a baby has been killed every hour.

58:07Piers Morgan:I understand. Israel has used salvation as a weapon. I have been very critical of the Israeli government. You haven't been. Well, I have been. You haven't been listening. But the reason early on I was very emphatic that Israel had a right to defend itself... Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself. Well, of course they do. No, it doesn't. Of course they do. Why does it? OK, if you don't think they do, that's fine. But we'll come to that. Well, international law is very explicit. It says a country cannot or doesn't have the right to imprison people, to impose apartheid on them. Sorry, if the country has 1 ,200 people, if it's murdered, it has a right to defend itself.

58:38Against the people that it occupies?

58:39Piers Morgan:Right. But you've already framed it as resistance. And my point to you is... You're allowed to resist. If you frame an act... And I'm against the killing of civilians. If you frame an act... You're not, though. You're called it an act of resistance. No, the breaking out of Gaza, the fight of... They killed 1 ,200 people. Absolutely. They wounded 7 ,000 more. Every innocent person. They kidnapped babies and grandmothers. How's that resistance? Israeli ministers are protested, have protests in front of prisons for the right to rape Palestinian prisoners. Sorry, I'm not talking about October the 7th.

59:08Piers Morgan:No, I'm talking about the days since October the 7th. Why would you call that resistance? Palestinians, do you expect the world wants to see a situation of October 6th again? I expect any civilised, decent person with an ounce of humanity to categorise what happened on October the 7th as a despicable act of terrorism by 3 ,000 terrorists who poured over a border, who attacked a music festival, killing hundreds of young people, kidnapping them. I've been unequivocal, time after time, condemning the killing of civilians. You said you just called an act of resistance. Why would you condemn an act of resistance?

59:45Piers, I am very clear that human beings have a right to live, that killing innocent civilians... You just called it... Whether that is killed by a masked gunman, a Hamas operative... You literally called it five minutes ago

59:58Piers Morgan:an act of resistance. Palestinians will resist, whether that is... Why would you condemn an act of resistance? Yes, I'm condemning the killing of civilians, and I will continue to do that. Palestinians will resist their occupiers... Was it an act of terrorism or was it an act of resistance? Israeli terrorism has existed, yeah, absolutely, since Belfort and Malfoy. No, no, from Hamas that day. What? Was it an act of terrorism? I'm not going to call it an act of terrorism. What would you call it? I'm going to call it part of the Palestinian resistance. Right, so therefore legitimate. Well, Palestinians have a right to fight for freedom.

1:00:33Piers Morgan:Right, so why are you just pretending you care about the deaths of civilians? Of course I care. I mean, why are you saying that I'm being humane? They have a right to commit that act of resistance. I want to know why nobody cared about Palestinians on October 6th and for the 27 ,500 days before that. A lot of people cared about Palestinians. Like Daniela Weiss. They don't care about us. Israel's got a Palestinian problem. I'm sure she doesn't. And there are many like her. But I certainly did. Well, perhaps you did. Let me bring in Emily. I don't believe that Emily did. I mean, Emily, I'm pretty shocked by that.

1:00:59Piers Morgan:I think that to be the day after the second anniversary and to categorize what happened that day as an act of rightful resistance, I think is actually tantamount to supporting terrorism. I agree with you. I obviously think that that's extremely problematic. I don't see how you can say that kidnapping and killing Kfir and Ariel Bibas or maintaining the kidnapping of hostages for over 730 days, 48 of which still remain in the Gaza Strip. I don't know how you can call that resistance because we're talking about civilians who were murdered and kidnapped, but I actually want to go back to the protest issue.

1:01:32I do not think that that speech itself is terrorism. I was actually at the protest yesterday as well here in the UK and I heard very similar rhetoric. I do think, however, it's incitement to terrorism. And when you hear people chanting to globalise the intifada... Yeah, that's what I mean.

1:01:47Piers Morgan:Obviously, they're not committing an act, but it's encouraging them to think this is an act of resistance. Right, and unfortunately, what we see as the byproduct of that, whether that's what the speaker's intentions are or not, is that people do take matters into their own hands. They do engage in acts of violence against Jewish individuals, just like we saw with the Manchester attack just a few days ago. And that's part of the very concerning part about the dramatization of language when it comes to what's happening in this conflict. I think it's been really irresponsible. And I say this as someone who has plenty of condemnation for the Israeli government.

1:02:20I do not support the comments of Daniela Vice et al. I do care about the future of Palestinians. I did on October 6th as well, and I find it extremely concerning that people will continue to justify the dehumanization of Israelis, Israeli civilians, I want to emphasize, who are still being held captive by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And I also want to add one more thing, which is that Hamas is violently oppressing Palestinians as well, and has for many, many years. There is nothing pro-Palestinian about Hamas as an organization, and they are an organization that needs to be destroyed for the well-being of Israelis and Palestinians alike.

1:02:56And the way to destroy that is to destroy every single school, hospital, the IVF clinic, 4 ,000 unborn embryos, to imprison 10 ,000 people, to hostage 2 million Palestinians. Every Palestinian is hostage... Excuse me. ..is hostage to Israeli apartheid. My father is buried in land that is strange to him, not next to his grandfather, grandmother, great-grandmother, great-grandfather. That's apartheid. That's genocide. That's Israel. and the world has seen it. And so what you're seeing today... You can throw out all of the buzzwords you want, it doesn't make it the reality. What you're seeing, Emily, today, is that the world has seen what Zionism is, what we have known...

1:03:29What Zionism is, is the right to self-determination in the Jewish homeland. What they have seen is a violent... Which, by the way, is not, unlike what Danielle has said, mutually exclusive. Violent settler, racist colonial movement that is predicated... Again, with the buzzwords.

1:03:40Piers Morgan:But Nasser, Nasser, you sent you... Nasser, you gave us a picture. You gave us a picture of you with this performer, Bob Villain. Bob, yeah. You like him, yeah? Well, he's a person fighting against power, fighting for justice, fighting for humanity. And he also, as we know, sang this. And death to every single IDF soldier out there as an agent of terror for Israel. Death to the IDF.

1:04:10Piers Morgan:Death to the IDF. You think that's acceptable to sing that in the UK? If you have a look at what the IDF is doing today... My question is, is that acceptable? Do you agree with him? Look, I'm not going to be saying those words, but I'm not going to be denying... So you condemn them? I'm not condemning anything, Pierce. What I want to condemn is Israel's actions. You don't condemn anything, do you? You don't think you condemn Israel? Western support for a government that is killing, maiming, destroying humanity. But why should anybody... With respect, Nasser, with respect, why should anyone condemn Israel for their response, given that you refused to condemn what Hamas did on October 7th?

1:04:46I condemned the killing of innocent civilians.

1:04:48Piers Morgan:You didn't, though. You said the whole thing was rightful resistance. I said I condemned... No, no, you began to equivocate when I took you on. No, I did not equivocate. But then you repeated. To me, it's a rightful act of resistance. People are allowed to resist their occupiers. It's international law. Then you're endorsing what happened. An occupier? An infant? Respectfully, respectfully. Was Hind Rajab a terrorist? Hind Rajab was never a target. There's a difference between a legitimate... I'm a double. Listen. And civilian casualties in war and walking into someone's house on a Jewish holiday and kidnapping and murdering children.

1:05:22There is a difference. Yeah, yeah. That is not what the IDF is doing. Whatever mistakes the IDF has made, that is not what the IDF is doing. Emily, the world has seen your lines. You can shout over me. You can use all of... See, Vanessa, here's my point.

1:05:33Piers Morgan:My point is this. I've been really critical of the Israeli government this year, right? Increasingly. And rightly so. I think most people, actually, I've spoken to, Israelis, Jews, Muslims, everyone I've talked to, there's a general consensus emerging from those who I would say are not on the extremities of this, who say that Israel was always going to defend itself aggressively from what happened. It was the equivalent of 40 ,000 Americans being killed in one day. Of course they were going to respond with great force. Hamas knew that. They may well have sucked Israel into a trap. It may well be what the narrative eventually turns out to be.

1:06:08Piers Morgan:and they had a woeful disregard for the lives of their own Palestinian people. I don't think they cared. In the same way, I don't think Daniela Weiss cares, right? But the scale of what has been happening since, particularly this year, I think has been indefensible. And that is why a rising number of Israelis no longer support what is happening and want this war over and want Netanyahu gone. And I think that that is what most rational-minded people think looking at this. This peace plan, finally, seems to me detailed. It seems to me sensible. The Palestinian people get to stay. Hamas no longer have any form of government.

1:06:45Piers Morgan:They get to demilitarise. On the face of it, yes, it's going to be tweaked, but the Arab country leader have been responding very favourably. The Americans are behind this. Israel have accepted it. What is wrong with it? Well, firstly, I want the killing to stop. Let's be absolutely clear. I want the hostages to go home. I want Palestinian hostages to be released. What we have, when the world has abandoned the Palestinians yet again, we are being forced to negotiate with our genocide ears while they genocide us. This has to be removed from this situation where we have a master servant, where the boot of oppression, the boot of genocide, and we're having to try and speak to it from on the ground.

1:07:26It needs to go to an international formula like the United Nations. Imagine Tony Blair and Trump get to decide how Gaza gets rebuilt, how Palestinians are compensated, what sort of accountability mechanisms. It's absolutely absurd. I'm not sure why you want Palestinians to live under Hamas, which, by the way, you mentioned before that Israel is starving Palestinians. In fact, Hamas has been using food as a weapon against their own people. They have been stealing aid. They have been selling it at triple the prices. Your former defence minister cut off the food, gas, electricity... I think that anyone...

1:07:55There is no limitation on aid right now. I think that anyone who is against ending the war right now is problematic to begin with. Why do you want more Palestinians to die? Why do you want this war to continue? You don't make peace with your friends. You make peace with your enemies. That is what we're talking about doing right now. Why would you want a war to continue, which you are claiming is a genocide? You want more Palestinians to die? We want the hostages to come home. That is our number one priority when it comes to this war. Your number one priority is the vanquishing of the Palestinian people, which is why you've destroyed 91 % of the housing.

1:08:26You've destroyed every hospital. Israel wants to implement this deal.

1:08:29Piers Morgan:You've killed a child an hour for two years. All that is true. Why has Hamas not released the hostages? Hamas offered the hostages on October 8th. Why haven't they just released them? Because they know what's happening. What's going to happen, I imagine, what they've seen... But Israel has said this war ends when they release the hostages. They were offered the hostages on October 8th and October 9th. Why haven't Hamas just released them? That's the only bargaining chip they have. I imagine if I was in a negotiation... So those lies are a bargaining chip? In a negotiation, we're just talking about why wouldn't I want to end the war?

1:09:02Knowing what Israel will do, what everybody has seen today, what the world has risen up. And we used to say in our thousands and our millions, we're all Palestinians. We say in our millions and our billions, the whole world has risen up because they've seen the ideology that Emily believes in, this racist ideology that wants to kill every Palestinian and to take all the land. And according to Danielle Wise, from the Nile to the Euphrates.

1:09:23Piers Morgan:So that's Jordan, Saudi Arabia. Which I, on this show, explicitly that I disagree with. She explicitly said she doesn't agree with. She also doesn't think Palestinians have a right to a country and what might that look like? That's not true. Do I get to go home? That's not true. Do I get to go home? If they have a leadership that is willing to make peace with Israel, go for it. Is your 2 ,000-year-old right to return, can I come home? If there is a Palestinian state, you can go to a Palestinian state. What business is it of mine what the Palestinian policy is? I'm from Jerusalem, Emily. If that was a part of Palestine, yes, but it is not.

1:09:49This needs to be decided with a leadership that can actually maintain a peace agreement with the state of Israel. So how can you have peace with Israel? I can't go home. I've got to leave you there. I can't go home to Jerusalem. Thank you both. Where my grandfather is buried. I have to leave you there. You're going to deny me that right. That's Zionism, ladies and gentlemen. No, Zionism is the right to self-determination for the Jewish people, which is not mutually exclusive. Denying the right of indigenous people to return home. That's...

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