“Going To Change HISTORY” Mamdani WINS NYC Mayoral Election | With Vinny Oshana

23:08And we're going to have the most amazing election in 2028. If you were entertained by 2020 and a little bit scared about 2024, 2028 is going to be like the godfather too. It's going to be even better than what we saw in terms of competitiveness. My concern is whether or not it's better in terms of bringing voters back in, having them have faith, trust and confidence in the American political system. Because in the end, Pierce, ratings don't matter. I know they do for you. They don't matter for America. Money doesn't matter. Happiness matters. Success matters.

23:55I'm hoping that we will put people, truly, not a slogan, put people above politics in the years to come.

24:03Piers Morgan:And, Frank, finally, do you expect Donald Trump to try and change the rules so he can run again in 2028? Or is he just trolling the libs, as he would put it? I fully expect him to talk about it. I fully expect him not to do it. It is so clear what needs to be done, and there isn't enough time to get it done, but he wants to stay relevant. And I know that you and I have had these conversations now for about 10, 15 years. I know I sound different than what I used to, but we're in a different situation than what we used to be in. And I would hope that the president would acknowledge that things are very difficult for a lot of people, that they're challenged.

24:41The Democrat on your show, who talked about affordability, and here's that's your MESSAGE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR HOME, YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR HEALTH CARE, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR FUEL OR YOUR FOOD, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE. AND WE NEED THESE PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER FOR ALL OF US SO THAT THIS AFFORDABILITY IS ADDRESSED, THIS CONFIDENCE IS RESTORED, AND IN THE END, WE HAVE THE COUNTRY AND THE SYSTEM THAT WE DESERVE.

25:09Piers Morgan:FRANK LUNCE, BRILLIANT TO HAVE YOU ON AFTER SUCH A BIG NIGHT for American politics. Thank you very much. Thank you, Piers. I appreciate it. Let's go back to the panel. Aaron Marte, I mean, as always, Frank cuts through a lot of the kind of tribalism and made some really good points there. What did you think about what he said? Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and Optimum Night all-natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them with incredible results. Optimum Day boosts your energy and supports weight loss throughout the day.

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27:08Donald Trump campaigned successfully on the problem of affordability, the price of eggs, the price of other staples. But it's come to office. And what has he done? He's cut Medicaid. He's now providing over a government shutdown in which 42 million people who need SNAP benefits to get food are being denied it because of his party's refusal to extend health care subsidies for millions of people. And what is he offering people who he promised that he'd make America great again? Nothing. He just recently bragged about how he's redecorating the White House, built a new bathroom. How does that help average people?

27:45And that's the fundamental problem. Trump successfully tapped into real discontent. I'll give him credit for that. He tapped into real outrage over Democratic Party elite failures. But now you have someone in the face of Zohar Mamdani and his grassroots movement actually talking about the issue of affordability while presenting concrete proposals. And I think Frank Lentz is very correct to recognize that Republicans who are the current party in power, they control the White House and both chambers of Congress, that this is a real problem for them. And by the way, also, Piers, if I may, on this issue of this pastor who keeps coming up, this Muslim leader who Zahram I'm dying to take a photo with, again, if you look at the specifics of that case, he was an unindicted co-conspirator, former terrorism prosecutor, later criticized his inclusion in a list in that case.

28:30because basically some of the suspects in the World Trade Center bombing attended his mosque around the time of the bombing. So that's like basically. This is the hill you choose to die on. You are still apologizing for this guy. Wow. I can't believe that. That's like, excuse me, I'll finish my Senate. I'll finish my Senate. I'll finish. I didn't interrupt you. I'll finish my sentence. That's like blaming the pastor of George W. Bush's church for the Iraq war. And These are the smears of people who can't contend with the fact that you have a candidate, Nzora Mamdani, who has grassroots support, record turnout in New York State, and has galvanized the people on the issues that impact their lives.

29:08I think there's an even hypothesis. Unindicted co-conspirator, meaning he was, they can't prove that he was in the room, but he was in the room. No, they can't prove anything. It's a red herring. Give it up. Are you literally trying to stick up? Are you really trying to stick up for this guy? Are you really trying to stick up? Yes, I am. He's a respected Muslim leader. He didn't do anything wrong. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. But wait, let me explain something. You're desperately trying. I'm very, yeah, very, very desperate. Piers, mind you, on Sunday, Momdani was in a gay club, in a gay club, pandering to the gay people to try to get votes.

29:43And let me explain something to you. People were like, he's a fraud because he's a Muslim, right? What do you mean pandering to gay people? He was pandering. You mean trying to campaign to his voters? Because I'm going to finish right now because there's something. You know where he's from? Uganda. Do you know how Uganda treats gay people? Have you been to Uganda? Have you heard what Ugandans do? Is there a mom-dani responsible for the - He's a Muslim dude from there. This is what I'm talking about. And what he's practicing, Piers, what he's practicing is called takia, okay? It's a practice in Islam, all right, Piers, that you, yeah, you deceive and you lie about stuff just to have people to further your Islam agenda.

30:16You're being duke, bro. You're being duke. He's a liar. Hang on, hang on, hang on. He's a liar.

30:21Piers Morgan:Hang on, just because he's from Uganda doesn't mean he agrees with all the policies of Ugandan governments. He's Muslim, Pierce. He's Muslim. He's Muslim. How do Muslim people feel towards gays? Are you guys lost? Are you lost? There are many Muslims who have no problem with gays. That's Muslim, bro. That's a Muslim. Yeah, but there are many Muslims who have no problem with gays. Can I just do a couple of facts here? Because this is all really... Hang on, let me bring in Mark and then Lindy. Mark. Okay, a couple of things, just to inject some facts. One, taqiyah isn't about lying. Taqiyah is about concealing your faith as Muslim to get over, ostensibly in times of danger.

31:00At no point has Mamdani pretended not to be Muslim. If he had, you wouldn't be here arguing like this. Second, let me finish. Second, yes, he's from Uganda, where gay people often are harassed and killed. And there are anti-gay policies in Uganda. You know who they're organized by? Christians, not Muslims. If you just Google or read one book on Uganda, you'd understand that this is a Christian practice, not a Muslim practice. Third, when we talk about Siraj Wahaj, who's the imam who he was in the photo with, One, there's absolutely no evidence that he was in the room with 9-11 conspirators. That's not even being alleged by the prosecutors.

31:39We're not even talking about 9-11. We're talking about the World Trade Center bombing. Two different things. Please allow me to finish. We're talking about World Trade. World Trade number one. Please allow me to finish. You're not even getting the timeline right. I accidentally said 9-11 as opposed to World Trade Center. That's not the point. I concede. I said the wrong word. Now I'm going to replace the wrong word with the right word, which is World Trade Center. The point still is the prosecutors don't allege that Wahaj was in the room. So there's no evidence of that, even by the people who you're appealing to for evidence.

32:12Wahaj took a picture. A better comparable example would be when Donald Trump takes a picture with Joey Merlino, the convicted mob boss, right? He did it because he didn't know who Joey Merlino was. So what about this?

32:24Piers Morgan:All right, Mark. Who I don't believe, who was not a terrorist, was a claimed imam and celebrated in Brooklyn for his acts in the community, and that's what he was being praised for. Look, time out. What does co-conspirator mean to you? Hang on, Lindy. Hang on. I think we've discussed this particular part of the Mamdani story enough. Here's the thing that I find extraordinary, and it's this, Lindy, which is he's on record, Mamdani, as wanting to defund the New York police department. Yes, thank you, Pierce. I was just going to bring that up. I'm calling them a bunch of racists. I would have thought, I mean, call me old-fashioned, but anybody that literally posted that the racist NYPD should be defunded, that that would be disqualifying to be mayor of New York.

33:06Piers Morgan:And yet here he is, mayor of New York. Why would that be disqualifying? Pierce, amen. Why would that be disqualifying? This is New York City. To say you should defund the NYPD? Absolutely, New York City. What's the answer to the question? Mark, it's my turn. Let Lindy go first, and I'll let you respond. I'm not cutting you off. I'm asking a question. Please, let me finish. 40 % of unsolved murders. This is New York City, the biggest city in the country, and 40 % of murders have been unsolved, and he wants to defund the police? Yeah, okay. And then according to some studies, 25 % of New York, they want to flee because of his policies, okay?

33:42He's on a speedway to hell. And another thing is, Mark, I felt like I was talking to, what's his name, Frank Luntz? I felt like I was listening to a new age therapist. Like, is he crazy? He wants to put forward people like Wes Moore and Cory Booker. Let's go through his people. Like, for example, Cory Booker tried the presidential campaign thing already. He was pulling at one to 2%. Okay. So we already tried that. The trial balloon failed. Number two, Wes Moore, he lied about getting a bronze star. These are the people that Frank Luntz wants to be the face of the Democratic Party, then please.

34:16Sounds good to me. And then he talks about the importance of Prop 50. Yes, it's important, but I also think it's a gift to Republicans because in this case, it allows Republicans to tie Gavin Newsom's failed policies to him. There's no way to disentangle the two. We are now able to tie$7 per gallon gas to Gavin Newsom. We can tie homeless encampments all across the state to Gavin Newsom. And you know what Gavin Newsom did? This is all about him running for 2028. This wasn't about the people of California. This wasn't about the people of California. Well, it may be.

34:52Piers Morgan:Hang on, hang on. Hang on, hang on. Okay, I'll come to you, Mark, in a moment. Vinny, I did find, you know, Mark was asking me, what's wrong with saying defund the NYPD? I think a lot. You know, if somebody was running for mayor of London on a ticket to defund the Metropolitan Police, I would think that's completely disqualifying. Right? What is that? The idea that you brand... Well, hang on, Mark. I'll come back to you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, Mark. He asked me a question. Mark, what are you talking about, bro? You're the mayor of the city, and you're saying to defund the police department, and you don't think that's some crazy outlandish-ish to say?

35:29He's actually not saying that. And just to piggyback, Pierce, when I tell you... And when I tell you... Hold on. He did say that. My God, listen. He did say that. Aaron, he did say it. Not during the campaign, Pierce. Aaron, your job... Not during the campaign. It's a stick-off for every single lie. Yes, sure. Let him finish. It's on his record. And let me explain something, Pierce. Pierce, a couple of lies. He hates billionaires, right? Who funded his campaign? Soros, okay? He lied about defunding the police. He took that back. He lied about his aunt wearing a hijab on the subway. She wasn't his aunt, and she wasn't in New York City.

36:02Hold on. Hold on. And he wants to legalize prostitution. And he wants to legalize prostitution. Or am I lying about that? No, he doesn't. You have to stick up. Your narrative has to stick it. You have to. Because you're full of it, bro. And hold on. Last thing, and I'll give you the floor. I'll give you the floor. And Lindy nailed it. Cory Booker, Westmore. Hold on. I'll give you the floor. Give me 10 seconds. Piers, you heard Frank Lutz. And Lindy's right. They want to name all these Democrats. What's the first order of business that Newsom, Cory Booker, Westmore, they're all going to do? Number one, they're going to open up the border.

36:35Because they love illegals. illegals. Okay? That's going to be number one. So every American that's watching this, don't get it twisted. The moment a Democrat comes into power, the border's wide open. And what are you going to do? Nothing. Because nobody in your family is getting freaking touched by it. Don't all talk at once. Hang on.

36:57Piers Morgan:Hang on. If you all talk, no one can hear any of you. Mark Lamont Hill, the floor is yours. Thank you. What I'm disputing here is how we're defining or very interestingly not defining defunding. You all are saying defunding and laying it out there, as many people have, which suggests that he's saying, let's get rid of the police department and take care of all of, and get rid of all of its resources, that we're just going to fire the police, which is not what he's saying. If he were saying that, that probably would be disqualifying to be mayor. What defunding means is taking money out of the police department and placing it in other departments where that work could be done.

37:32So when you give the example of, just let me finish. So when you give the example of unsolved murders, when you give the example of unsolved murders, defunding does not affect unsolved murders in that way. In fact, to the contrary, it would help to solve murders, and I'll tell you how. When police come out right now, and I'm only telling you this as someone who's written several books on this and has been part of the defunding movement for a decade. So you can shake your head, but I'm only giving you facts. You can disagree with my approach, but I'm telling you what the actual defunding movement is.

37:57When we say defunding, what we're talking about is saying, right now, if someone has a drug overdose or someone has a mental health crisis, the police get sent out there. When someone is jaywalking, the police have to have to stop them, give them a ticket in many cities. We're using the police as tax collectors, as as as therapists and as councillors. Defunding says let's take some of those resources that we're making the police do for jobs that they shouldn't be doing. And let's give them to therapists, to social workers, to drug treatment councillors and let the police focus on, I don't know, policing.

38:25And so defunding.

38:27Piers Morgan:Mark, hang on, Mark, you also. called the NYPD... Hang on, hang on. No, I listened to you. You had the floor. But he also called the NYPD a racist organization. Racist. Also, he said queer liberation... Hang on, Lindy. It's much easier if everyone answers the questions I pose to them. Let me just ask Mark. Mark, do you believe the NYPD is racist? Yes! All of them... Oh, God. There it is. No, no, you just moved the goalposts. No, no, no, hold on, hold on. Middle Eastern, they're all racist. No, no, hold on. You asked me if the department was, the institution, and then you just said all of them as individuals.

39:11Do I think every police officer is racist? Of course not. But we're talking about systemic racism. It's just like saying the school system sucks. It doesn't mean every teacher sucks, but the system itself doesn't work. Going after crime does not make you racist. I agree, but shooting unarmed black people does. targeting black people. Let me bring in Aaron. What's the stats? Let me bring in Aaron. Let me bring in Aaron. Let me bring in Aaron. Let me bring in Aaron, please. Let me bring in Aaron. Crime is up 30 % in New York City.

39:42Piers Morgan:I'm going to bring in Aaron if he kills me. So let me bring in Aaron. You can't die, Pierce. Here's my problem with Mamdani and why I call him a wolf in sheep's clothing. I'm always very distrusting of politicians who post this kind of stuff three, four years ago, but now want us to believe that's not their real opinion. I think that is what he genuinely feels about the NYPD. And by the way, he's allowed to. We live in a free country. He can express that view. And I believe it was honestly held. But this sudden transformation to, oh, no, I don't think the NYPD is racist. Oh, no, I don't think that they should be defunded and so on.

40:19Piers Morgan:It's just a little bit too close to when he did believe that for me to think this guy is a serious person. You know, his views haven't changed in three years. His desire for power has, Aaron. Sure, yeah. I mean, people will sometimes say things to get elected. That's called being a politician. It's part of a job. And I don't know what's inside his head. I don't know what his views are. But there's plenty of evidence, as Mark laid out, for why one would think that the NYPD is a racist institution. Not saying every single police officer, but institutionally is. And so I understand why he would think that.

40:51And on the issue of policy, defunding the police, Mark laid out what that means. Mamdani wants to create a Department of Community Safety, promoting community-based solutions to problems that can be handled by people in the community, which is proven. There's a long scholarship on this about how these solutions work, and other cities do it. And it has support among a majority of New York City councils, which is not even a radical thing. And yeah, listen, I'm sure Mamdani is being pragmatic in some ways. It's called being a politician. You have to make compromises sometimes. But the bottom line is this.

41:23He centered the issue of affordability. He spoke to issues that nobody else was talking about. He sent a message of hope across the country to people who are feeling left out of politics. And look what happened in New York City. He got more than 100 ,000 people to turn out for him, to volunteer, to knock on doors. So people feel connected to his message. People feel that he stands by his convictions. And he got a record turnout, almost double, almost double the number of voters turned out in this election than did four years ago.

41:49Piers Morgan:But only 51 % voted for him. And, you know, a large number of people voted for the other Democrat candidate. Only the majority. Well, no, no. Enough to win. He's peddling a bunch of lies. Wait a minute, Lindy, don't start shouting. Enough to win. But actually, but pretty close with the other Democrat candidate, who is the kind of antithesis on the Democrat side of everything Mandani stands for, which comes back, I think, to the original point I was making. It could be a very great night for Mandani, unquestionably. HE IS A GREAT NIGHT FOR THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. BUT ACTUALLY IF HE TURNS OUT TO BE A DUDE AS WE 'VE SEEN IN THE UK WITH KEYS STAHRAM'S LABOR PARTY AND HE CAN'T DELIVER ON THE PROMISES AND HE ENDS UP JUST TAXING THE HELL OUT OF EVERYBODY, IF THAT HAPPENS, THIS COULD BECOME A REAL MILLSTONE AROUND THE NECK OF THE DEMOCRATS LEADING INTO THE MIDTERMS AND THEN PARTICULARLY THE GENERAL ELECTION, I THINK.

42:44Piers Morgan:Lindy. Well, listen, sure, of course, anything's possible. President Trump has already said he's going to withhold$18 billion. Aaron, I'm talking. President Trump has already promised he's vowed to withhold$18 billion in federal funding. Governor Hochul has also said she's not going to go all in all the socialist policies. Where is he going to get his money from? All the billionaires are fleeing. Hundreds of thousands of people might leave New York. Where do you think he's going to get the money to fuel his boondoggle. This is absolutely insane. And by the way, I want to quote exactly what he said.

43:14This is not us putting words in his mouth.

43:16Piers Morgan:He said queer liberation means defund the police. And for you to have to interpret what he said and use a Zoban Mamdani dictionary to put the best light on his words is absolutely shameful. He hates these people. He thinks they're racist. If you're a member, look, just to remind you, if you're a member of the NYPD, your new mayor five years ago said the NYPD were racist, anti-queer and a major threat to public safety and called to defund you. In 2023, just two years ago, at the Democrat Socialists of America's convention, Mamdani said, we have to make clear that when the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's been laced by the IDF.

44:00Piers Morgan:Vinny, your final thought on that? That was 100 % correct. He's referring to the fact that the NYPD was this. By the IDF. Because, Pierce, I don't know about you. You're in New York, Pierce. I'm from New York. And there's nothing that makes me happy. You know what makes me comfortable, Pierce? That if I'm getting stabbed or burned to death on the subway, I want a social worker to come and just calm the murderer down. Okay? If you never lived in New York and you've never been on a subway, don't talk to me about crime and cops being racist. They have the hardest freaking jobs on the planet. I've lived in New York for the last 20 years.

44:36I work in New York. And look at the stats about how racist they are. And what are the stats? What are the odds? Give me the percentage of a cop shooting an unarmed black person in America. What's the number? It's so outlandish that it's such a big thing that they're racist. Give me a break. You guys are all being duped by Mom Donnie, but I love what Lindy said. Lindy, I'm actually going to adopt that mindset. said is give them, let them do it, Piers. Let them happen. They're going to freaking feel it. And all the New Yorkers that are leaving, that have all the money, when they're all left and the dust settles, they'll be like, wait a minute, who's going to pay for all the free shit that Mamdani said?

45:10And you guys, they're going to feel the freaking wrath. You'll see it, Piers. Well, you know, it's interesting. Hang on, final point.

45:18Piers Morgan:People are trying to compare this to London, where Sadiq Khan's been mayor now, won three terms. Actually, it's the wrong comparison. They happen to both be Muslims, but Sadiq Khan is quite an establishment figure of the Labour Party. Go back to the start of the century to Red Ken Livingston, who was a genuine socialist. He presided over London for eight years. And you know what? It wasn't that bad. London survived. So whatever happens under Mamdani, I suspect, knowing New York as I do and having lived and worked here for 20-odd years. New York will survive whatever Mamdani can throw at it. And if it turns out that he has the magic touch and he can make what nobody has done in modern times work, socialism, in New York, who knows?

46:06Piers Morgan:You might have President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to look forward to in 2028. God help us. Help us, God. God help us. You never know. Guys, thank you. Very spirited debate. I appreciate it all. Thank you very much. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.

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