'He Was Given a PASS!' Epstein Prosecutor Says Prince Andrew HAS To Be Investigated

0:00David Boies:You ask about a cover-up, there's no doubt there's been a cover-up. There's no doubt that people have held back stuff to protect rich and powerful people.

0:08Piers Morgan:Were you aware of this? Have you ever seen this? And what do you make of the contents?

0:14David Boies:Without Congress, I don't think anybody would have seen it. This is something that has been hidden for a long time.

0:20Piers Morgan:Have you ever seen any evidence that would suggest Donald Trump either took part in or was aware of any criminal activity involving Epstein? You believe you've seen enough evidence to warrant a criminal prosecution of Prince Andrew?

0:35David Boies:Both in the UK and the United States, he was basically given a pass. There should have been a prosecutorial investigation. Looks like she's being given a favorable treatment in return for saying things that is positive to the administration. There is nothing in there that is going to implicate Donald Trump, for example. I don't believe there's anything in there that's going to implicate any current member of the administration. So let it come out.

1:09Piers Morgan:David Boyce has, for decades, been one of the most feared and revered lawyers in the United States. Just a week ago, he won a$400 million privacy suit against no less than Google. In the UK, he's best known for representing the late Virginia Dufresne in her civil case against Prince Andrew, resulting in a settlement of a reported$16 million. Well, a lot's happened since we last spoke. The Epstein files have erupted into a major US political scandal. The UK's ambassador to the US, Peter Maddelson, is facing calls to resign over his friendship with Epstein. Ghislaine Maxwell is reportedly being primed for a pardon.

1:44Piers Morgan:And lawmakers are calling for Prince Andrew to return to the US and face a criminal prosecution. Well, David Boies joins me again now. David, great to have you back on Uncensored. As you've just heard, so much has happened since we last spoke. Let me just start, first of all, if I may, with the sort of series of revelations this week involving the Epstein birthday album, for want of a better phrase, in which a number of eminent people, including Donald Trump and others, all penned these gushing tributes to Epstein. First of all, were you aware of this? Have you ever seen this? And what do you make of the contents?

2:27David Boies:We had not seen it until relatively recently. We had subpoenaed the birthday book. That is, we had subpoenaed documents that included the birthday book, but had not been produced. And it had been held back until literally about 10 days ago. So we had not seen it. And indeed, God bless the American Congress, without Congress, I don't think anybody would have seen it. Right. So I think that this is something that has been hidden for a long time. And now, of course, it comes out. And it used to be said about America that we always reacted too late. And when we did react, we overreacted. And I think that you've got a little bit of that syndrome here with the birthday book.

3:18Piers Morgan:Do you think people are making too much of it then?

3:22David Boies:Well, I don't think they're making too much of it. I think it's a very important document, and I think it shows the extent of Epstein's political and social and business relationships. On the other hand, remember the birthday book was done in 2003, which was significantly before Epstein was even accused, let alone convicted, of sex trafficking. And I think we've got to be careful that we don't combine two groups of people. One, people who had relationships with Epstein, who was very well regarded in social, academic, business, political circles at the time. And the people who were active collaborators and participants in the sex trafficking.

4:18David Boies:I think that it's critical, as you and I have talked about several times before, to go after the people who made the sex trafficking possible. This could not have gone on for the time it did, on the scope and scale it did, without a lot of support. On the other hand, I think that it's also important to distinguish between those people and the people who had relationships, social and business relationships with Epstein at the time, who may not, who very well may not have. Remember years after the birthday book, you had major respected American publications publishing very laudatory articles about Epstein and his so-called philanthropy.

5:05Piers Morgan:Do you draw a distinction, David, between, in terms of reputational damage, not people who were directly involved, allegedly, in any criminal activity with Epstein, but in terms of reputational damage in this sense, between those who distanced themselves from him after his first conviction, which exposed him as a pedophile, and those who carried on seeing him? And the reason I'm asking is, I know you'll be aware of this issue, the scandal brewing involving Lord Peter Mandelson, who's the UK new ambassador to the United States, who has now admitted for the first time that he carried on seeing Epstein staying at his homes and being engaged in what appears to be extensive business deals involving Epstein for a period of time, a number of years potentially, after his conviction.

5:58Piers Morgan:Do you see a difference between those two categories of people? I do.

6:05David Boies:I do. I think that I think the people that continued to work with Epstein afterwards face much greater, much greater scrutiny. Although I will I will also say that after Epstein was convicted, the New York Times wrote a very laudatory piece about it. So I think that the context, I think, is I think is important. I think the most important thing is who was actually participating, who was actually supporting, who was actually collaborating, who actually knew about what was going on and knew about what was going on continuing. I think that's a critical question to ask. And unfortunately, Congress, although we wouldn't have this progress without them, is not the best vehicle.

7:00David Boies:I mean, this is something that the prosecutors should be looking at. They're the ones that can separate out the wheat from the chaff.

7:07Piers Morgan:Have you ever seen any evidence that would suggest Donald Trump either took part in or was aware of any criminal activity involving Epstein?

7:18David Boies:Absolutely not. And we've looked. We've obviously looked at both President Trump and former President Clinton. We've looked at all of the really high-profile people. And between my firm's representation and Brad Edwards' firm's representation, we've represented dozens and dozens and dozens of victims, all of whom we've interviewed. We've looked at the documents. And although both Presidents Clinton and Trump had relationships, social relationships with Epstein that I know they regret, there has been no evidence at all. I'm quite confident that neither of them were involved in the actual sex trafficking or any of the sexual activities.

8:16Piers Morgan:In the birthday book, there's obviously a message purporting to be from Donald Trump, who was a good friend of his at the time, so it's entirely plausible that he would have done a message in that book. Trump has vehemently denied it was him and says the signature was not his, even though people have compared it and see it as being very similar to his signature at the time and indeed today. Is he protesting too much? I mean, is Trump sort of almost trying to get ahead of things by denying stuff that probably is true when he doesn't really need to?

8:51David Boies:I think he doesn't need to deny it. I don't think there's anything wrong about writing a note to a friend on his birthday. And remember, this was years before he was accused of sex trafficking. I don't know, obviously, I have no personal knowledge whether it's his signature or not on it. It looks like his signature, but if somebody was trying to copy his signature, they probably could. So I don't have any personal knowledge about that. But I do think that he's making more of it than he needs to in terms of denying it.

9:33Piers Morgan:Do you think, in relation to Lord Mandelson, a lot of calls now in the UK that he should resign on the basis that he has only just made public, that he stayed in contact with Epstein for a long period after his conviction, and that he believes a lot of embarrassing revelations are still to come out relating to their friendship, both professional and personal. Do you think it's tenable for someone to be holding down a position like the UK ambassador to the US once you've made an admission of that nature?

10:09David Boies:I think it's certainly politically difficult. And I think in an ideal world, what you would do is you would look at the actual facts and somebody would try to sort through that and make a judgment, taking everything into account. I think in today's world, those kind of judgments are hard. As I say, I think right now, this is a hot political topic and anybody associated with Epstein is toxic. On the other hand, I think that if you look at it in a perspective, which I think is important to do, I think that ideally people would step back and try to understand what the facts are. For the people who collaborated, participated, I think we have gone far, far too lightly.

11:10David Boies:We've simply let people skate who were integral and participants in the sex trafficking. On the other hand, what I'm concerned about is that the targets tend to be the targets that have the most public attention, as opposed to the people who actually are the worst wrongdoers.

11:33Piers Morgan:From everything you have gleaned about this, how many other men, and I presume we're talking predominantly men here, do you think you have enough information about that should warrant a criminal prosecution in relation to Epstein?

11:51David Boies:I think there are between 10 and 20 men that we have enough information on that should entail a prosecutorial investigation. I think the number who I would be confident, if I were a prosecutor, of bringing a prosecution right now, just based on what I know, is fewer than that, considerably fewer than that. But I think we know enough to know that there are more than a dozen men who the government has enough information on that would justify at least a prosecutorial investigation, a serious prosecutorial investigation. And that hasn't happened.

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14:58David Boies:Not a prosecution, but certainly an investigation. I would be cautious about saying who should be prosecuted and who should not be prosecuted. But one of the things that has frustrated us, as you and I have spoken about before, is that both in the U.K. and the United States, he was basically given a pass. And I think there's enough on the record that we have that there should have been a prosecutorial investigation. And if there had been, either there would have been a prosecution or they could have said that they had determined that there should not be. Right. Now we're in this situation in which, in some senses, from a reputational standpoint, it's almost worse.

15:54David Boies:Because you don't have a finding, you have all of the implications.

15:58Piers Morgan:There's been a sustained campaign, in particular, to discredit the infamous photograph of Prince Andrew, Ghislaine Maxwell and Virginia Dufresne when she was 17 years old. We're going to come on to Ghislaine Maxwell, who obviously has been at the centre of news, cooperating with the Trump DOJ. But in terms of that photograph, do you believe that photograph is genuine? And what do you think of the campaign to try and discredit it? There is no question at all that that photograph is genuine.

16:36David Boies:We've actually traced it back to the place where it was developed. There is absolutely no question at all that that photograph is genuine. And I think that the attack, the sustained attack on that photograph was not only misguided, but really outrageous. And I think that one of the things that it did was it totally destroyed Prince Andrew's reputation and his credibility. It was something that, as I've said before, he would have been much better off accepting and trying to explain, perhaps, than this misguided and totally baseless attack on its genuineness.

17:28Piers Morgan:What do you make of the development involving Ghislaine Maxwell, which many people are seeing as maybe a precursor to her getting pardoned by Donald Trump?

17:39David Boies:Well, I certainly hope it's not a precursor to getting pardoned by Donald Trump. I think it was, again, undesirable. It looks like she's being given favorable treatment in return for saying things that is positive to the administration. The administration doesn't need her to vouch for it. And I think showing that kind of favoritism to her really was not only wrong, but I think it backfired. I think people are unhappy with that. And I would hope that the administration doesn't go any further.

18:33Piers Morgan:In relation to Ghislaine Maxwell's culpability, she obviously was convicted, do you think there's any doubt about her role with Epstein, her complicit role in aiding and abetting him with the abuse of these so many young girls?

18:51David Boies:I think the record at her trial was conclusive. I think you can't read the testimony and look at the evidence in that trial and have any conclusion other than the conclusion that the jury reached.

19:09Piers Morgan:In relation to Andrew, there is a move by people in Congress that he should be brought to the United States and be prosecuted and be made accountable? Would you, I mean, it is highly unlikely that that scenario is going to happen. But would you encourage it to happen? Do you think that justice would be served if that was to happen?

19:32David Boies:I think justice might very well be served. I would be troubled by prosecutions that are essentially generated by the legislature. I think that is something that the prosecutorial agency should be responsible for. I think one of the issues is what happens when the prosecutors don't do their job. And I think that that has been the situation here. I think this has been a situation where you have had just prosecutorial failures, serious prosecutorial failures. And in that situation, maybe the legislature is the only vehicle that you can turn to. But I think it's certainly undesirable from a procedural standpoint.

20:28Piers Morgan:There's a general sense that there's been a cover-up and that because Donald Trump's name appeared in the Epstein files, we knew that originally from Elon Musk, who told the world his name was in the files, that he, and along with Democrat politicians, there's no one really with a vested interest politically in seeing full transparency here and seeing everything released. Do you think that from everything you know, would it serve the American public interest if literally everything that is there is revealed to the public?

21:02David Boies:Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that it all ought to come out, and it all ought to come out now. You ask about a cover-up. There's no doubt there's been a cover-up. There's no doubt that people have held back stuff to protect rich and powerful people. There's no doubt that the prosecutors have, frankly, been overwhelmed by Epstein and people supporting Epstein and people who have vested interest in Epstein files not being totally made public. I think the American people will only have confidence when it all comes out. So I think that I think Congress is doing a great service here. And as I said at the beginning, God bless the American Congress, because without that, much more would still be hidden.

22:01David Boies:But it all ought to come out. And I think that's in the interest of the administration. There is nothing in there that is going to implicate Donald Trump, for example. I don't believe there's anything in there that's going to implicate any current member of the administration. So let it come out and, you know, take out the names of the victims. But let all of the evidence come out and let the American people see it.