“He’s a MADMAN!” Donald Trump Threatens To Wipe Out Iran ‘Civilisation’

20:23He doesn't say that. Well, I think that that's what he's talking about. He's removing the Iranian news. Why doesn't he say that? If you look at the press conference that he gave yesterday, what did he say? We are now negotiating with new Iranians. We are now negotiating with the new Iranians.

20:36Piers Morgan:Who he's now threatening to kill, along with every other Iranian tonight, at 1 o 'clock in the morning, English time, 8 o 'clock Eastern time. I mean, he couldn't be less ambiguous if he tried. It couldn't be more crystal clear. I understand you don't like the words. But let me just ask you, in 24 hours... Does anybody like the words? I mean, all due respect, Casey McFarlane, explain to me who would like these words and why you would like them. Do you like them? No, of course I don't like them. But the point is not whether I like them or not. It's whether the Iranian regime believes them. Do they believe it's a legitimate and credible threat?

21:09They've already come out and said

21:10Piers Morgan:they're now stopping all negotiation with the Americans over these posts. They want nothing to do with them. They're not negotiating. And in fact, they're coming out now saying we're more than happy to give our lives for our country and our cause, which, of course, many people understand that is what the Iranian regime ideology is all about, right? So why would this kind of threat ever work? And also, what happens if we get to 8 p.m. tonight Eastern and Trump doesn't follow through with his threat? Then he's the boy that cried wolf. Then he's the emperor with no clothes. So I don't see how this works on any level.

21:48Piers Morgan:Either he commits a genocide and will be damned for eternity and probably start World War III, or he doesn't do it. The Iranians ignore his threats and Trump is made to look impotent as a leader. How does this work as a victory for him? I don't I don't get it. I think you've just made your point that Iran, you talked about the leadership of Iran. You talked about the murdering they want. They want. How do you feel if Iran has nuclear weapons? You know, there's a cost to doing nothing. There's a cost. I don't want them to have it, but my understanding of that issue is that we were told last summer, after the 12-day war, that all threat of a nuclear weapon being developed by Iran had been taken out.

22:28Piers Morgan:Now, within 10 months, we're told we now have to have threatened World War III to stop them getting a nuclear weapon, that we were told only 10 months ago we had stopped them getting. All the enriched uranium is buried deep below the ground. Most military experts I've heard talk about this say there's no way to get it without committing ground troops, which could lead to catastrophic losses on the American side. So, again, I ask, how does any of this stop Iran anyway from developing nuclear weapons? If we're not going to get the enriched uranium without blowing up the entire population, explain to me how we stop them developing a nuke.

23:04Well, what you just said is that you're willing to live with a nuclear Iran. I am not willing to live with a nuclear Iran.

23:09Piers Morgan:No, I didn't say that. The very reason that you've just said, well, you said we can't, we can't find the enriched uranium. How do you know you can't find the rich uranium? You know, one of the problems that President Trump saw is that we thought we'd obliterated everything. And what did the Iranians do the very next day? They started rebuilding. I taught nuclear weapons at MIT in the 1980s. What do you need for a nuclear weapon? You need three things. You need highly enriched uranium, which we know they've got. We're not sure where it all is. We don't know if they've already destroyed it all. You need a plan to take that highly enriched uranium and turn it into a bomb.

23:39and then you need a missile to deliver that nuclear weapon. What does Iran? So they've got the missiles. We've just seen that they've demonstrated they have the reach to reach Europe from Iran. We know they've got highly enriched uranium and we're pretty sure they've got the blueprint that's going to pull it all together. So they're close to a nuclear weapon. If the United States waits until after they have a nuclear weapon, can you imagine the blackmail that Iran would do, not just to the region, but to the world?

24:04Piers Morgan:OK, let me bring in Cenk Uygur. I mean, Cheng, I was pretty horrified when I saw the post today. I was pretty horrified when I saw the post on Easter Sunday, to be honest with you. I just thought it was so inappropriate. And, you know, I always have an allowance for Trump to do a bit of trash talking. I don't like it when he trash talks about people who've just died. I think that's inappropriate and wrong. I wish he wouldn't do it. This is a whole different level of trash talking. This is basically threatening public brazen genocide. That's what he's doing. There is no defence for this. But I just find it astonishing that there are any people prepared to defend it.

24:44Yeah. So I think what Katie McFarlane was just saying is absurd. And listen to what she said. She said, what if the Iranians get a nuke? First of all, preposterous. They don't have any ability to deliver that enriched uranium. She knows it. This is all about regime change. It's for Israel. We all know that. In fact, Israel has nukes and they're a super dangerous country. Ben Gavir on TV just yesterday was joking around about nuking Iran and how he would like to do that. And she says, oh, my God, can you imagine if the Iranians had nukes? They might want to wipe out our entire civilization. That's what Trump just said.

25:21Trump is, like you said earlier, Piers, he's talking like a terrorist. So this is the Israelification of our policy. They're pro-genocide. We're not pro-genocide. We're the good guys. And so this is unbearable. This is look, I reach out to all voters, including Trump voters, all the time. I'm the last person to rub it in and go, ha, you made a mistake. I love it when people come to the right side. I'm the guy who said Marjorie Taylor Greene, Massey and Tucker Carlson would do the right thing on war and Iran. And I'm relieved to see that they did. And I really appreciate it. But, guys, this is why I was forced to vote for three corporate Democrats.

26:00I can't stand because the alternative was this madman, Donald Trump. He's always been a madman. He's always been a spoiled child. His father gave him$400 million and he blew it. And then his second daddy, Jeff Zucker, gave him$400 million through the apprentice and he blew that. So when he gets into this quagmire, he just said yesterday, oh, he didn't think that they were going to close the Strait of Hormuz. We all knew they were going to close the Strait of Hormuz. How could you not know that? So he gets frustrated. He got talked into it by Israel. So now he can't get find a way out. And so he starts screaming into the abyss like a spoiled child.

26:39Give me what I want or I'll destroy you. And I'll take my ball and go home, except I'll nuke you first. This is disgusting talk. And look, I think there is a third alternative to what you just said. there's a possibility, Piers, that he's threatening to blow up the power plants and the bridges and to nuke them or do whatever he's madman talk that he's doing. And then he's instead going to put in ground troops and go, ha ha, I'm so clever. You were expecting the bombing, but I put in ground troops instead. But we didn't want ground troops. None of these choices are good. We shouldn't be in this war in the first place.

27:15There's nothing but disastrous choices for us. And of course, meanwhile, Israel is laughing and laughing because, number one, they want a mess and chaos in Iran so that it debilitates them and they can't fund Hamas and Hezbollah. And number two, they have the Leviathan pipeline now. It is a giant gas field. So if we bomb Iran's gas fields and they bomb the Gulf gas fields, the number one winner economically is Israel. So they can't wait for this kind of death and destruction. He should have. I mean, he fired Chrissy Noem and Pam Bondi. He should have fired all the Israel first advisers that are surrounding him, which is literally everyone at the White House.

27:56OK. Clean house. Get Americans in there, not people serving a different country and especially a genocidal country like Israel. That's why you get the kind of talk that you're seeing today.

28:06Piers Morgan:OK, I mean, any any bigger. And by the way, one more thing. Yeah. Yeah, just it's whether he does it or not. The mere fact of saying that America would destroy an entire civilization and commit genocide or a Holocaust like this puts a moral stain on us. We cannot bear that moral stain. We're supposed to be the good guys. This kind of language, even if he doesn't follow through on it, is a terrible mark on America and we shouldn't tolerate it. OK, I'm a bit concerned about you, Cenk. You're losing your voice. I'm not sure the American people could suffer that blow at this particular time.

28:43Don't worry if Katie says one more thing. I'll show you what voice I have left.

28:47Piers Morgan:I'm just worried if you do one of your regular blow-ups, this could be it. We could have the silencing of Cenk Uygur in real time. Let me come to Ryan, Max Afterburner. Max, what do you feel about this? I mean, you've served in combat. You're a U.S. Air Force combat pilot. I presume you would share Rob's view and my view. The rescue mission was unbelievable and incredible heroism, both by the pilot and by the teams that went to get him. It was remarkable. But rather than talking about that, we're all talking about this threat from Donald Trump. What do you feel about that? Yeah, good to see your peers.

29:21Good to see everybody else as well. So I think Rob would agree with this. There's never a good time in the middle of the night to come face to face with a Navy SEAL, unless you're the weapons systems officer getting rescued. So overall, just a great operation. I'm so proud of all the rescue forces and the WIZO himself. And again, what a great day for America, getting that aviator back safe. But the thing I want to talk about that I want to highlight and add some context to everybody talking about a whole civilization will die tonight. If we just go to the bottom of that truth post, it says 47 years of extortion, corruption and death will finally end.

29:58God bless the great people of Iran. So as you can see right there, he's not saying he's going to have a genocide on the people of Iran. What he's saying is the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps that took over 47 years ago is who he's focused on eradicating. And remember, he's dealing with terrorists. This is a terrorist regime. So for 10 years, I studied the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and back bolts for the U.S. Air Force. And we always knew this is what they were going to throw at the endgame of this war, which are terrorist proxy tactics. So that's going to be the first brief that President Trump got from General Raisin Cain is, hey, look, at the end of this, when their military is decimated, their Navy is decimated, they're going to rely on proxy tactics to cause pain on the global economy in the Straits of Hormuz.

30:39And so we're seeing that play out. Now, could the president have used some different choice words instead of a whole civilization? Maybe that can be taken out of context. So, yeah, he could have changed that.

30:48Piers Morgan:I mean, seriously, Max, I appreciate you translating the president's words into a far more benign wording. But the reality is, had he started by saying, I want to get rid of this IRGC regime. OK, that's one thing. But he didn't. He used the word, the whole civilization will die tonight. You might have wanted him to say what you've just articulated. And if he'd said that, there wouldn't be the outrage there is. But he didn't say that. Well, he did at the end. He brings it home. He says at the end something that is completely contradictory to what he said at the start, which is classic Trump in this war.

31:26Piers Morgan:You know, one of the things I would say to you, but should I call you Max or Ryan, by the way? Ryan's fine. Right. You know, when you were serving, right, to have a commander in chief sending such mixed messages all the time in real time publicly. right i mean this is not good for anyone serving in the united states i can understand why it's confusing but the art of war so that's one of the tactics that has been used in military operations for thousands of years the art of war is you keep them guessing you don't want to tell the iranian regime when this war is going to end you don't want to tell them what's coming next you don't want to tell them what you will or won't strike so deception is a huge part of warfare and that's something that's hard for the civilian population to understand but at the end of the day you're dealing with a terrorist regime.

32:15So you have to sometimes fight fire with fire.

32:17Piers Morgan:Okay. Before I come back to Glenn, I want to just ask Rob O 'Neill something that Tucker Carson also said. He publicly urged United States military and Pentagon officials to actively defy Trump and refuse orders if he attempts to launch nuclear weapons against Iran. If you work in the White House or in the U.S. military, now it's time to say no, absolutely not, and say directly to the president no. In case you're thinking about using some weapon of mass destruction against the population of Iran, in whose name we liberated Iran, we killed their religious leader for their benefit. Do you remember that?

32:52This was last month. Those people who are in direct contact with the president need to say no.

33:01Piers Morgan:What do you feel about that, Rob? I mean, the idea that people serving a high level in the military or the Pentagon would defy an instruction from the commander in chief to launch a nuclear weapon? Well, I mean, that's not going to happen. Those are, they're going to have to be, they'll need to be lawful orders. And the whole thing with deciding what order is lawful is completely against a uniform quote of military justice. Never happened. Plus, if you notice, he didn't say nuclear weapons. We do have weapons more powerful than nuclear weapons. People are going to get wrapped up in that 80s style of Russia versus the United States.

33:34But we have stuff there. And just other things you got to consider. Yes, the true social is social media and he's using it sort of as a bargaining chip. You've got to figure, look at the amount of time we've got tier one operators on the ground. Who's to say we didn't get the uranium already? I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we do. It's not just shoot from the hip. We have very talented people doing a lot of talented stuff. Yes, he's doing stuff with the negotiations. I mean, I don't think when you're banking on the entire population to rise up to get rid of the Islamists is the way to say you're going to wipe out an entire civilization.

34:05But, you know, different words, yes. He always goes a little bit further saying, OK, we're going to take Greenland, we're going to take Greenland. OK, maybe we'll have a few bases in Greenland. He's going to take the long shot, but then back off. Just saying you're going to wipe out a civilization, bad choice of words, I think. But I was really struck.

34:21Piers Morgan:I was really struck. For example, you know, the biggest mission in modern American history post Second World War is the mission that you were on to kill Osama bin Laden. in terms of the importance, I think, to Americans and to the country and to the people to finally see him get justice for what he did on 9-11. It was an incredible mission. But what was the theme of that mission? Utter secrecy. Absolutely everybody involved. Tiny number of people at the White House knew about it. Very small number of people in the military knew about it, even though all you top-level guys were all being brought together.

34:58Piers Morgan:Highly unusual for that to happen. But there was a wall of secrecy. because people understood that careless words cost lives, the famous World War II thing. Here with Trump, we have the complete opposite. He just spews out all this stuff like a machine gun, a verbal machine gun, all day long. And I don't understand how any of that helps. I don't think it's duping the enemy. I don't think the Iranians take any of it that seriously. I just don't understand why he feels the need to do this. Well, I mean, I don't think he's giving away any secrets. Everything is extremely close held. It's hard for me to find out any information about who's evolved in anything.

35:36And that's talking with sources in Washington, D.C., in Congress. They're keeping it very compartmentalized. And the bin Laden raid is one thing. We can't tell anybody because if we even tell the host nation because Pakistan was involved with that, they're going to run into safety. Stuff like this, we knew they were shot down. Now, we didn't know there were two pilots there until someone in the Pentagon leaked it, someone close by. So they're not giving away stuff they're doing right now. I mean, even with Karg Island, who's to say if we're going to take it completely? which, I mean, who knows now?

36:02We could. The United States could. We could take all the oil and keep it. So I don't think he's giving away secrets. I mean, appropriately having fun with it. Inappropriately having fun with it, I guess, is what I'd say.

36:13Piers Morgan:Glenn Greenwald, I mean, it seems to me that the... If you look at what Putin has done in Ukraine, if you look at what China is believed to want to do in Taiwan, for example, the moral authority that Cenk Uygur talked about is incredibly important here. If America sees any moral high ground whatsoever by openly threatening genocide, as Trump has done today, whether he meant it or not, the fact he's gone on record as saying it, how can America, when another nation commits an act which they view as morally reprehensible, how can they play the moral card with it going forward? Well, we can. And it wasn't just before that, just today.

36:54It was long before this. There have been American hawks who have gone to Europe and warned people in Europe that the reason China is rising so greatly and displacing Americans in all the regions where we used to be dominant, like Africa and Latin America, is because the world perceives that the Americans and the United States government is a bully and just uses military force and war and weapons anytime it feels like. Whereas China was able to rise to a world power, even though they haven't fought a war in 48 years. The last war they fought was 1979. That was a one-month border dispute with Vietnam.

37:28And yet we're fighting wars constantly. And now with the American president threatening civilizational annihilation. And I don't think we need to sit here and, like, dissect the true social posts as though it's like some hieroglyphic from ancient civilization. And we have to decipher what it really means. Trump has repeatedly made statements like this. As you said, on Easter, he vowed to destroy every power plant in Iran and every bridge in Iran. That wouldn't just affect the regime. That would destroy the lives of millions of people who were in Iran, people that were supposedly there to represent.

37:59And I just want to add one last point, which is it's so bizarre to have to sit here and listen to people like Katie McFarlane say, oh, we have to go to war to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon when these were the same exact people who said the same exact thing about Saddam Hussein, that we had to go to war because Saddam Hussein was going to get a nuclear weapon and pass it to al-Qaeda and they were going to detonate, all of which turned out to be lies. And they just come back like none of it ever happened. And even this rescue mission, like I'm glad the pilot was rescued. But I do think we have to be a little bit aware as well that there's a lot of propaganda disseminated in a war.

38:31We were told at the very start of the war, you may remember this, that there was this soldier named Jessica Lynch who heroically fought off Iraqi fighters and gunned bunch of them down and was finally taken and tortured in the hospital and U.S. forces rescued her in a daring raid, none of which turned out to be true. The media told this story over and over. So a lot of this is propaganda. A lot of this are things that we've seen before. And we do have a major problem even before Trump started with these insane threats, not just in this true social post. And we didn't just threaten it. We have blown up their bridges, which obviously affects the population.

39:02We've blown up their refineries that poisons their air and water. These are things we're actually doing. And the U.S. was already in a hole morally and geostrategically, which is why China is rising, because countries would rather deal with them. And this makes it infinitely worse, even if Trump doesn't follow through on these monstrous threats.

39:20Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, Casey McFarlane, you know, I remember the Donald Trump campaigning to be elected in 2024, who couldn't have been clearer. He was going to stop taking America into these Middle Eastern wars. He thought they were ruinous for the economy. They were ruinous on life. He just didn't understand them. He kept telling us how he thought Iraq had been a terrible mistake. And he wanted to stop all this. This was America First meant looking after American interests in America. And my God, there are lots of stuff that he could be doing to improve the lives of Americans right now. And he made a good start.

39:57Piers Morgan:He shut the southern border. I thought that was an excellent thing to do after what happened under Biden for four years. But ever since now, it seems like he's been on a mission to contradict his own campaigning. And what could be a bigger contradiction of I'm not going to drag America into these pointless Middle Eastern wars than dragging America into the biggest and most potentially dangerous and ruinous Middle Eastern war imaginable. And now he's talking about wiping out whole civilizations. How does that sit with Donald Trump, the campaigner. Vote for me and I won't do this. You know, I guess I would take great issue with what Glenn has just said about people like Donald Trump not supporting the Iraq war.

40:42I ran for the U.S. Senate in 2006 because I didn't think the Bush administration was doing the right thing with the Iraq war. President Trump is not against war. He's not afraid of war. He's not afraid of using military force. What he doesn't want is a forever war that goes on for decades that the United States can't win that costs us in blood and treasure. And if you've listened to what he said in the last 48 hours even, he said, we're not going to make Bush's mistakes. We are not going to go into Iran. We're not going to fire all the military. We're not going to get rid of everybody in the government.

41:10We don't want to occupy it. We don't want to run the place. We want a Venezuela model where we can go and maybe decapitate the senior leadership and then get whoever is left in the leadership to do a deal with us. We'll develop their oil. They'll get rid of their nuclear weapons. They'll open the Strait of Hormuz. So I think you're all basically taking the bait. Donald Trump negotiates from strength. So what he does is he goes in, and the first position out of his mouth is the extreme position. And then he negotiates backwards. And then at the end of the day, he gets the result he wants.

41:37Piers Morgan:Well, let me put a different argument to you, which is, I think, and I've known him a long time, Donald Trump. I like him personally. We've been friends for two decades. But knowing him as well as I do, and you know him well too, I think he has massively miscalculated with this war in Iran, which no one wants to call a war, because if it was called a war, you'd have to go through Congress. And no American president likes to do that with war. But they should, actually, another point. But, you know, looking at Donald Trump's behavioural pattern in the last few weeks, I think that he thought this would be like Venezuela.

42:12Piers Morgan:They would go in. The Israelis said, so we've got the Ayatollah, we've got all these top people in the same room. We can take them all out. And he thought, decapitate them. The people would rise up. That's what Netanyahu told him. And it would all be over very quickly. And the complete opposite has happened. And where the real miscalculation came was in Iran's ability to withstand enormous military superiority against them, but to then exercise a sort of parallel universe war, an asymmetric war of an economic kind with a straight to foremost, Moose effectively shutting that down, causing enormous damage to the global economy.

42:47Piers Morgan:We felt now for many months, whatever happens. And then attacking the Gulf states in a way that has paralyzed their business model. So attacking oil refineries in the Gulf states, its neighbors, attacking tourist centers and so on. This has been a disaster for them. And so you had it all up. And I think where's the win here? The regime is still in place. They've got, you know, they've got way more IRGC people that can come through the ranks and fill the gaps. So that hasn't changed. The people are not uprising for a number of reasons. Probably fear of bombs. The Strait of Hormuz is closed. The Strait of Hormuz is closed.

43:23And the Strait of Hormuz, exactly.

43:24Piers Morgan:As Glenda said, the Strait of Hormuz remain pretty well closed to anyone that the Iranians don't want to leave them open to. I just am struggling to conclude anything other than Trump has miscalculated, probably because he's been misled by the Israelis, that this would be indeed like it was in the 12-day war last summer and like it was in Venezuela, a quick, sharp shock and get out. And now I don't think he knows how to get out. And the Iranians know they can hold the Straits of foremost as this bargaining tool, which is almost impossible to take away from them. So what you're saying is that because Iran is using this bargaining tool, which is using this blackmail tool, the economic tool, that they would somehow, that we're supposed to let them do that and then potentially have nuclear weapons and let them blackmail the world again?

44:13No, I don't believe there was an impending threat

44:17Piers Morgan:of nuclear weapons in Iran. I think that was a totally misleading reading of their situation and flies completely in the face of what we were told happened after the 12-day war. So I think that this was a genuine desire by the Israelis least to have a regime change in Iran, and they persuaded Donald Trump to join in. That's why Antony Blinken said they tried to get Biden to do it. They tried to get Obama to do it. They both said no, and Israel did not attack. This time they got third time lucky. As Marco Rubio said, the Americans got involved because they were told another country was going in, and they knew that there would be retaliation, so we better get in first.

44:55Piers Morgan:It came out of the Secretary of State's mouth. So the beauty of this whole war, if there can be such a thing, is the clarity coming out of people's mouths. They will be judged accordingly. Let me bring Cenk back in here. You know, I keep going back to that Rubio moment, because to me, that is at the core of this war. I think Trump got bamboozled into doing this by Netanyahu, who made eight visits to America in the build up to this. And we saw J.D. Vance say similar of things any last week. Yeah. So there's three different factors with Trump and the Israelis. Number one, the Adelson family alone has given Trump over 300 million dollars in campaign contributions.

45:39So anyone saying that Trump is not affected by 300 million dollars lives on a different planet. So they literally bribed him. That's legally possible in America. Miriam Adelson is an Israeli. She's the one who flew out Jonathan Pollard in a private jet to congratulate him back to Israel, gave him a hero's welcome. So these people are not for our country. They're the opposite. Right. On top of that, let's be honest, there might be blackmail, but let's go past that. And they did. Netanyahu came and talked to him eight different times and whispered sweet nothings into his ear. And he said, oh, you're going to be a hero.

46:13You're going to conquer the whole world, Donald. And you know what? We're going to do it anyway. You'll be a spectator to history. That's a direct quote that they used. So you better not be weak. And the thing is, guys, you know, Piers, the one thing I can't agree with you on is Trump is a baboon. I mean, he's so stupid. It's he's it's like talking to a child. I mean, if you told me, oh, you're going to be a spectator to history, you better attack Iran before we do. I'd be like, shut up and get out of the American White House. And but Trump's like, oh, OK, daddy, am I going to be big and powerful?

46:47So I can't stand the guy. And I can't stand.

46:51Piers Morgan:Honestly, when you call Trump a baboon, you're kind of falling into his rhetorical trap of, you know, getting in the gutter with him. And I don't know. What is this? What is this, Piers? Well, I mean, I mean, can you agree that he's a stupid man child? No, I don't think he's a stupid man. I mean, what is he screaming into that? I'm going to kill them all. I'm the new Hitler. He's basically saying he's the new Hitler. I mean, what is that? He's either a monster. I find these posts. Or a monster and a man child. I find these posts reprehensible. But Donald Trump is not a stupid man. I can assure you that he's won the White House twice.

47:23Piers Morgan:Oh, are you crazy? He's the dumbest guy we've ever had in office. Well, he's won the White House twice. He's not stupid. Yeah, that's why I can't stand the corporate Democrats. He's not stupid. To be fair, you're right. You're right. I mean, the only people dumber than Donald Trump are the Democratic leadership that keep losing to him. Oh, let's run as elitist. Let's run as pro-corporate. Let's embrace Dick Cheney. All right. Jesus. No, but I don't think he's stupid, and I do think his foreign policy generally actually has been one of his stronger points. Until this. This makes no sense to me.

47:53Piers Morgan:It hasn't made sense from day one. He has no strong points. His foreign policy has been a disaster. So let's get back to the main issue here. So he said he was against the wars. You're absolutely right about that, especially against Middle Eastern wars. And he said he was worried that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden were going to take us in the World War III. OK, and now what do we have? Ben Gavir threatening nukes. And by the way, if you haven't heard, China and Pakistan have said that if Israel nukes Iran, they will nuke Israel. So here we are on the precipice of a nuclear holocaust because this baboon is in office.

48:28And he's like, oh, Bibi, how could I make you happy? Can you please give me more money? Am I going to be a hero, Bibi? I can't stand this guy. And doing the exact opposite of what he promised, the exact opposite. And one more thing, a point that Glenn made that is really important. So Russia goes and destroys their army and their treasure in Ukraine. Now we're going to destroy our treasure. We spent$300 million on the rescue alone. It was a brilliant operation, but$300 million. We're spending$1 to$2 billion a day. So both Russia and the U.S. are destroying themselves in these totally needless wars, and China is laughing their ass off.

49:06How did they get this lucky that they were wasting our treasure and our military on wars for other countries? It's insanity. Let's go compete with China and India economically. Stop this military madness. Get someone who's an American and who's a decent person back in charge of America.

49:24Piers Morgan:OK, let me bring Ryan back in here. I found a quote from retired Lieutenant Colonel Rachel Van Lindingham, who said on PBS, threatening to bomb every bridge and power plant in Iran in itself is a war crime, not just reckless talk, a crime. Why? Because terrorizing a civilian population through rhetoric violates the law of war. And the law of war is U.S. law. So that seems pretty clear there, that actually this kind of rhetoric can have very serious real world consequences for Donald Trump. Yes, a lot of this is a bargaining position. It's a lot of leverage that Trump is getting. And when it comes to actually targeting these structures, like a flu combat in Afghanistan, and there's a rule of engagement that you go through for every release, and you do everything you can to mitigate damage to civilians in the area.

50:13But if you look at some of these plants that have been struck so far, like PARS Energy Plant, Sharif University, PARS is basically powering the ballistic missile program for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. So that makes it a legitimate target. Sharif University is a nerve center, a data center, where the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has built and designed their missiles and their drones. And what I hear on the panel, too, is a lot of people being triggered by Trump. And I think that's what happens when someone with a backbone comes in and says, no, you know what, we're going to stand up to evil.

50:46And if you don't stand up to that evil, you're kind of like that person.

50:49Piers Morgan:What if, as Tucker Carlson said, what if in standing up to evil, you start to sound evil yourself? I mean, maybe you do have to fight fire with fire. I mean, you're going up against a terrorist regime. I've got a real problem with that. You know, I've always I've always I've said this many times. I don't want to bore people, but I come from a lot of military in my family. And they're horrified about this because there's supposed to be a moral code. I'm sure you abided by it when you served. Absolutely. I know for a fact Rob did. He's been on some of the biggest missions in American modern military history.

51:21Piers Morgan:and there's a strict moral code that abides along the way with these guys, right? It's what makes the American military one of the finest in history. It's what makes the British military fine. The moment you lose that, the moment you abandon all pretense morality or being a superior moral force and you just decide to fight evil with evil and you fight people threatening to annihilate you by annihilating the entire country, you lose me. I think he's threatening to annihilate the IRGC and the regime. I don't think he's threatening to annihilate the entire country. Well, maybe you should do his posts, right?

51:57Piers Morgan:You're being very forgiving, but maybe you should be his digital producer, because that's not what he posted. Well, I'll be the person that reads the second part of his Truth Social post. I mean, it's pretty clear right there that he's just talking about the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. 47 years ago, the Islamic Revolution happened and brought in a terrorist regime run by radical Islamic clerics who want a nuclear weapon. So my question to the panel is, yeah, it would be nice if we don't have to do anything. I would prefer that we're not in war. It would be great, Sink, if we could not have to deal with this situation and we could just all go on with our lives, run our businesses, make money.

52:33That'd be great. But to me, you're coming across as someone who's putting a blindfold on and walking towards a cliff and you're perfectly fine with that threat. And someone's like, hey, there's a cliff up there. and you're like, yeah, it's nice out today, so we're just going to keep walking towards the cliff. And that cliff is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. What happens, Ryan? So not only nuclear weapons, just take nuclear weapons off the table. Okay, but Ryan, what happens, Ryan?

52:56Piers Morgan:Look, there are many people that share your view that the Iranians had to be dealt with and that Trump's a trash talker. And my ignorance is how he's dealt with it, not the Iranians. But let me ask you, Ryan, a specific question. What happens if the Iranians call his bluff? if 8pm comes and goes tonight Trump does not wipe out the whole country and is then looking as I said earlier, like the emperor with no clothes the guy that threatened to do all this stuff and then they called his bluff and he didn't do it, that's the problem you can exaggerate when you're selling a building in New York City you can pile them high, you can exaggerate a lot of things when you're president actually you can trash talk your rivals or you can trash talk Hollywood with people when they die, whatever.

53:42Piers Morgan:That has no real world level of consequence other than people might find it disagreeable. But when you do this and you don't act on it, he is relying on the Iranian regime caving. I don't think that ideologically they will do that because they are basically nihilist. They've already said publicly in the last few hours, we don't care if we die. We'll die if we have to. And I'm sure they mean it. So what happens if his bluff gets called? I think it's a fair point. I mean, some of the choice words, the words probably could have been stated differently. I think you bring up a fair point there. However, in warfare, there's also deception.

54:20So if you're deceiving the enemy, you're doing warfare correct. And so if 8 p.m. comes tonight and the bombs don't drop on specific facilities, then it'll drop somewhere else. And Trump will pivot somewhere else and use our military in a moral way to start to systematically destroy the IRGC's ability to fund themselves. And we saw we saw Carg Island get hit this morning, late last night. And so they took out military infrastructure there while not targeting the oil infrastructure. So there's a strategic 40 chess plan. So, again, pivoting and adapting can happen, even when this claim has been made by the president.

54:53Piers Morgan:Well, the thing is, we're going to find out. Somebody said to me last night, I was I first got to know Trump when I appeared on his celebrity apprentice show. And if someone said one thing, Pierce. Yeah. So I think there's a narrative out there that everybody's blaming Israel for everything, and it comes across as a mainstream corporate news talking point to me. But if you look back at the 80s, President Trump has an interview where he says Iran needs to be bombed. They need to be taken out by a dangerous regime. There's no question he has said that before, but there's also no question, because Marco Rubio spelled it out for us on camera, that the incentive for America to get involved this time was because the Israelis said we're going to attack.

55:30I mean, obviously, Israel has an incentive for us to do this. That's obvious. That's clear. They benefit from this. However, America benefits a lot as well. But the problem, you know, my problem, the point I was going to make was having appeared on The Apprentice.

55:46Piers Morgan:Someone said to me last night, this is like watching The Apprentice. This is my problem with the way Trump is conducting this war. War is not a game. It's not a reality show. and when people are waking up for the new installment from Donald Trump about the Iran war and almost when you add all the memes that the White House has been putting out and the Hollywood style video stuff and so on, none of it sits easily with me because there is nothing worse in the world than war. As you know, and as Rob knows better than anybody, wars are about as real as life and death get, right? And the idea that the whole thing is treated like a kind of reality show sits really badly.

56:27Even maybe prime time, 8 o 'clock. 8 o 'clock p.m. Eastern. Well, that's my point.

56:31Piers Morgan:Set the time for it. That's my point. It's like it's all what you would do if you're promoting a reality TV show. I hear you. Because that's Trump's background, it sits even more uneasily, and I wish he wouldn't do it like this. I think there are different ways to do it which are more respectful. There are. I think you're right. There could be a more respectful way to do this, but at the end of the day, Pierce, you know better than anybody that this is a propaganda war. I mean, look at the IRGC's propaganda. This battle also plays out in the media. And so I think President Trump is fighting it in the media as well.

57:03Piers Morgan:OK, well, we're going to find... we will find out. Thank you very much to my panel. I really appreciate it. Thank you all very much. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.