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22:52Piers Morgan:And finally, your view of the Trump meme, which has caused so much response to this, the King's protest, where he basically dropped poop on the American people, including Harry's system. What was your reaction to that? I guess I think of it on a different plane. I think of the debate our founding fathers had over the separation of powers, of what Montesquieu said when he said that the executive powers, when united with the legislative powers, you'll have no liberty if those powers are put together. I have been a stickler for fighting against emergency powers for any president, whether it's a Democrat or a Republican president.

23:30So I see the debate over separation of powers as an important one and one that needs to be on a higher plane maybe than cartoons and memes.

23:39Piers Morgan:And just one last finally, but this is all with the context, of course, that the British royal family are massively in the news right now for very bad reasons, which is the continued scrutiny of Prince Andrew and the Epstein files. A lot of the damage is being caused by leaks from Congress who are investigating this. What is your view of the Epstein scandal and what should happen next? I voted to release the Epstein files. We had a vote about two weeks ago in the Senate, and I was one of only a handful of Republicans who did so. But I've always thought that in order to have trust in government and trust in the justice that is meted out by government, that we have to believe that justice is impartial, that it's colorblind to your ethnicity, but also blind to how wealthy you are.

24:29And if the notion becomes prominent and accepted that wealthy people are treated differently than the ordinary people, that justice is somehow skirted if you're wealthy. I think that's a really bad signal to send to the public. And so I think if we want the public to believe that justice is the same for everyone, we have to make sure that all the information comes forward and that rich people weren't given a bypass or a pass on this scandal. So I haven't been really involved with all the details of it. I don't know what's going to be turned up from it, but I think it should be transparent so people can regain trust in the justice system.

25:06Piers Morgan:Yeah, completely agree. Senator Paul, thank you so much for coming back on Uncensored. I appreciate it. Thank you. Let's go to Scott Horton. Scott, you've been incredibly patient. Thank you very much. Just what Rand Paul there was saying about... I guess it all plays to the same thing, that people think in America Donald Trump is behaving like some kind of out-of-control monarch and you could look at what's happening with the attacks on the Venezuelan boats as part of that, sort of trying to just circumnavigate the normal rules of engagement with these things. You know, you can position all of this stuff there.

25:39Piers Morgan:What is your view of the no-kings protests and the way that Trump is currently conducting his presidency, where there is validity to the idea that he thinks he's just a king and not an elected official? Well, the protests are just a joke. I mean, that's just Liberal Democrat voters whining. But I absolutely stand with Senator Paul and with his father, Dr. Ron Paul, on severe and strict constitutionalism. And that means an end to the world empire. You know, I don't know if you saw this, Pierce, but there's actually an article in Foreign Affairs, which is the Journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, the headquarters of the American Empire since 1921.

26:18They have an article this week about how, geez, how did the presidency get so imperial? Well, you need an imperial presidency to rule a world empire, don't you now? If you're going to be the dominant political and military force in all of Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa, as well as Latin America, then yeah, you're going to need a pretty powerful president and a national security council that can declare any emergency and act with haste to do whatever they want. He listened to Dr. Paul talk about the strikes going on there off the coast of Venezuela, where there's no, as Al Gore would say, there's no controlling legal authority.

26:56No one even pretends that anyone can make them stop. The president of the United States, hell, he could launch H-bombs at any city he chooses. There's no one to tell him no. And that's because America is a world empire instead of a limited constitutional republic. And that's why, you know, I just, I regret. I don't mean to, like, diminish anyone. I just think it's sad how partisan politics makes everyone so stupid. We need to abolish the Federal Reserve system and institute a 100 % gold standard. We need to bring all our troops home from the world. We need to repeal about 99 % of the laws passed since 1900 to save this country.

27:36We got people crying about, you know, ex-cartoons.

27:41Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, I take your point. I mean, the irony, I think, of this whole no kings thing is that the US president legally has far more power, actually, than the royal family have in the UK. They have no real power at all. They're just figureheads. So there's a kind of irony there is no kings. But actually, if you had a king like ours, then the power of the presidency would be massively reduced, not increased. So there is a kind of weird, I think, assumption going on here that our king or queen, as it was before, of course, the king's mother, that they somehow have great powers. They don't. Isabel, I want to just play a clip.

28:18Piers Morgan:This is Robert De Niro talking about Stephen Miller, one of Donald Trump's senior aides. He will not... We see it, we see it, we see it. He will not want to leave. He set it up with his... I guess he's the Goebbels of the Cabinet, Stephen Miller. He's a Nazi. Yes, he is, and he's Jewish, and he should be ashamed of himself. I'm sorry, I just find that unbelievably offensive. To call a Jewish man a Nazi, to call him Goebbels after the propaganda chief of the Nazis. And they keep doing this, the Democrats and Democrat supporters. And, you know, De Niro's been doing this about Trump for decades, it seems.

29:04Piers Morgan:You know, he's almost hysterical about it. But to call a Jewish member of the Trump administration a Nazi like that, just beyond the pale, isn't it, Isabel? I'm a busy man travelling the world promoting my new book, Woke Is Dead, hosting Uncensored. You might be wondering, how do I stay so fresh? Well, let me introduce you to Mando Deodorant. It's a game-changer. One swipe covers me all the way through busy days. It's made with science packs and gentle ingredients like mandelic acid, giving double protection to the clinical strength and reduces sweat by 92 % after 12 hours. Mando's starter pack is perfect for newcomers.

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30:25You've watched the legacy media, our academic institutions, the entertainment industry, all of the loudest voices in society called Donald Trump or anyone who supports him or works for him, a fascist, a Nazi, literally Adolf Hitler, Hitler Youth. I was called regularly on my college campus. And I know Jack Posobiec, myself, and many people who've been fighting on the front lines of this conservative movement have been warning for upwards of a decade. This is the natural result when you label people with this rising political temperature, a fascist, a Nazi, transphobic, white supremacist, the literal KKK and Photoshop hoods over them, people eventually resort to violence because they'll believe this constant narrative.

31:05Piers Morgan:Well, that is the key... Yeah, I mean, that's the key thing. I mean, bringing in Jack here, I mean, we saw with Charlie Kirk that some of the bullet casings the shooter used had anti-fascism slogans on there. So, you know, we don't know the full motivation yet. That is still unravelling. but clearly it looks like this person was attacking somebody he thought was a fascist. And that's because a lot of people on the left called Charlie Kirk a fascist and a Nazi, as they do with Trump, as they do with Stephen Miller. And to me, if you're a deranged, young, impressionable mind, if you do buy into that notion that they're genuine fascists and Nazis, you would see it as your civic duty to kill these people.

31:45Piers Morgan:Why wouldn't you? And that's the danger. Yeah, no, Piers, that's exactly right. that's what we're facing and by the way hats off to uh oxford because i understand the oxford union has just voted to uh take out the in i think it was the incoming president of the oxford union he'd been the president elected i guess he hadn't taken it yet but this here's a guy who had debated charlie had invited him to campus just a couple of weeks before charlie's murder and then is celebrating blatantly celebrating the murder of a man that he had just shared a stage with and Certainly they had disagreed on that stage, and that's fine.

32:23That's what free speech and free dialogue and free debate, especially on campus, which is the modern public square, is all about. Yet here he is now celebrating this, laughing about Charlie's murder. And the issue, Piers, is that these violent Marxist ideologies are commonplace, and they're becoming more and more increasingly common. And I even have a bone to pick with some conservatives who say, oh, well, it's just video games or it's just social media. I said, no, no, no, no, no. Go back in time and you can find throughout history, whether it's the French Revolution, which, by the way, one of the watchwords when they were leading people up to the guillotine in revolutionary France in the reign of terror and Robespierre was no kings, no kings, no masters.

33:05That's where the phrase no kings comes from right before they chop the king's head off. So that's where that phrase comes from. And everyone needs to understand the violent tendencies and the violent origin of all of these symbols that they're still tapping back into. Bella Chow, which was written on one of the bullet casings. I believe the one's not one of the ones that was fired. Destiny was very, very emphatic that I say that the last time I was here. So, yes, it was not the specific bullet casing that shot and killed Charlie Kirk. It was the one next to that bullet casing. But Bella Ciao is again an anti-fascist communist song from Italy from World War II and has now essentially become the national or international anthem of Antifa.

33:45This violent ideology is spreading throughout college campuses. We see teacher after teacher where they're buying into this. So many times when we look up one of these people that find one of these protests, they end up being a teacher. And unfortunately, this is all over the place. And I went to the White House and I told the president of the United States to his face that the next person who could be assassinated is very likely sitting around this table right now. After we saw Luigi Maggioni, after we saw Thomas Matthew Crooks, Ryan Routh, and now this individual Tyler Robinson there in Utah Valley.

34:16Piers Morgan:Right. Harry Sisson, you posted last year in the run-up to the election, Donald Trump called for a united Reich in his new campaign ad. America, are you listening? Trump is telling us what he wants and he's referencing Nazi Germany while doing it. It's unacceptable. He must lose in 2024. And again, you know, I just played De Niro calling Stephen Miller a Nazi. This constant refrain from people on the left of invoking the Nazis, Adolf Hitler, all this stuff. I just don't know why you guys do this. Obviously, Trump is not Adolf Hitler. Apart from anything else, he's trying to find peace, right? Not actually killing everyone that gets in his way.

34:59Piers Morgan:You know, and he has a Jewish son-in-law, right? So these things are just... They're not just wrong. They're unbelievably offensive in a way that actually the woke left would normally lead the charge of wanting to cancel people that did this, that said these kind of things. But apparently it's fine on the left. I mean, what is your reaction first to De Niro? And then maybe talk about your post and whether you regret using the Nazi language? Well, I'm going to work backwards. I'm going to start with mine and then talk about what De Niro said. So first and foremost, in that ad that Donald Trump posted, the words Unified Reich were on a newspaper that appeared in the ad that was like praising Donald Trump.

35:39So if the Trump campaign is putting that in an ad, I think that deserves to be called out. Number two, I don't think anybody in this debate can name me a high-ranking elected Democrat who has called Donald Trump Hitler. I don't think anybody can. Number three, one of the only high ranking politicians in American politics who called Donald Trump Hitler is J.D. Vance calling him America's Hitler. Now, working backwards to what Robert De Niro said, I think what Robert De Niro said is a little distasteful. I think he certainly could have worded it better, taken out some charged language. But I just see these recent stories about Republicans, whether it be the youth leader group chat or Paul Ingrassia, who is still Donald Trump's nominee to lead the office of special counsel, pledging affinity for Hitler.

36:21Peter Gunter, who is the chair of the Young Republicans Party in New York, said, I love Hitler in a chat. Other people were musing about refitting gas chambers so they, quote, fit the Hitler aesthetic. Paul Ingrassia, the special counsel nominee, just got caught in other leaked texts saying that he has a Nazi streak. So when these high-ranking Republicans who are working in the party right now are pledging affinity to Hitler, I think that deserves to be called out. Not that every Republican should be painted as that. I certainly don't do that. I don't agree with that. But can the conservatives on this panel condemn, number one, Donald Trump's nominee?

36:57And number two, can they condemn the youth Republican group chat? And then number three, if they write it off as a joke, then why were they so against people joking about Charlie Kirk? I never joked about Charlie Kirk. But they pick and choose when humor can be applied in politics. And when you're pledging affinity to Hitler, that's a joke, according to many. Well, I said it a lot. From my point of view, I said it a lot. about whether or not a high-ranking Democrat has used this rhetoric. Who is Kamala Harris? I know. I want you to answer all the questions. I want you to answer all the questions I just gave you.

37:28Who is Kamala Harris? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Answer all the questions I just gave you. And can you name me when Kamala Harris said that Donald Trump is Hitler? This is your first question. Who was— Great, great, great, great. When did Kamala Harris call Donald Trump Hitler? When did Kamala Harris call Donald Trump Hitler? When did Kamala Harris call Donald Trump Hitler? October of 2024. Kamala Harris said on the campaign trail, Donald Trump vowed to be a dictator on day one. His former chief of staff said he wanted generals like Hitler's. Donald Trump openly admires dictators, including Adolf Hitler.

37:57Last October, that was said on the campaign trail from the Democrat nomination. Kamala Harris said this during the campaign, during the closing days of the campaign. It was her final campaign pitch. Is that high enough ranking for you? You guys supported her for president. Exactly, because there have been reports that Donald Trump kept - Wait, wait, wait, just relax. was campaigning by calling Trump Hitler. You're so disingenuous when you bring this stuff up. You can't even acknowledge the fact that your own candidate was on the campaign. She's got a video about it. It's on her Facebook.

38:27Piers Morgan:Let me offer one here, which is Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton literally compared Trump's rally in Ohio last week to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's speeches. Speaking of a Texas Tribune festival last week, she made reference to Hitler's speeches, which saw people raise their right arms in the air in the Nazi salute. I remember as a young student, you know, trying to figure out how people basically got bought in by Hitler, she said. How did that happen? I'd watch newsreels and I'd see this guy standing there ranting and raving and so on. It happens all the time. And, you know... Wait, but wait, but wait.

39:00Piers Morgan:And, Harry, Harry, I would say... Oh, my God, guys. Come on, guys. J.D. Vance was totally wrong to say it about Trump as well. I think the young conservatives who've been exposed by this political expose were totally wrong too. Can they say that? some grotesque stuff in there i have no problem saying that harry but there are can you say that like jasmine crockett who literally just weeks ago called donald trump a wannabe i mean it's crazy can you say that jack can you say that can you condemn the young republicans group chat where they pledged affinity for hitler hey i don't really care about some group chat right now while you guys keep shooting up all of my friends oh no no jack jack you can condemn I really don't care.

39:38Piers Morgan:But, Jack, I do think for consistency, actually, you should care. You know, J.D. Vance tried to downplay what the young Republicans were saying in these racist, sexist messages. One guy said that rape was epic. I don't think J.D. Vance said anything wrong. One said rape was epic. Another said, I love Hitler. He tried to say they're all very young, but actually some of them were nearly his age. The reality is that kids do stupid things to tell edgy, offensive jokes. Well, Pierce, let me just ask this. But they are still part of the conservative movement. On top of rooftops outside of the Mill King's rallies shooting at Democrats.

40:14Well, that's terrible, too. You're being so slimy. You're being so slimy. Which they don't happen. So I'm sorry. Wait, wait, wait. Jack, Jack, Jack. My friends, then I'm not really concerned about some group. You can condemn both. I don't hire those guys. You can condemn both. Jack, you can condemn both. I think you can easily condemn all the... I think you can actually... Wait, wait, wait.

40:33Piers Morgan:Well, hang on. No, you wait, Harry. If you're going to be intellectually honest, actually, it should be easy to condemn all of these things. All the invoking of the Nazis and Hitler should be condemned. It's never appropriate because Hitler and the Nazis were a gazillion times worse than anything we're seeing here. I think the messaging between these young Republicans was appalling and should be condemned. I think that J.D. Vance trying to defend it and calling Trump Hitler before, that should be easily condemned. Obviously, it should be condemned. The killing of Charlie Cook should be absolutely condemned by anyone, right?

41:04Piers Morgan:All of these things, if you're going to be intellectually honest, should be condemned. I want to just change gears now. I want to bring Scott back in. Let's talk about Israel. I feel like we should hold them to account, Piers. Well, everyone should be held to account, but everyone should be... But you're talking about political violence. It would be much better for the political discourse in America. Piers, you're letting him get away. I want him to get away. Yes, you are. And let me just explain why briefly before you bring in the other guests. Jack is in a corner right now, right? He continues to go with this line of, I'm very upset about Charlie Kirk, which is understandable as he should be.

41:37It's not a line, Harry. You guys shot and killed Charlie Kirk. It is a line. You guys did that, Harry. First of all, you guys was not the Democratic Party. But second of all, Jack, you can condemn both. You can condemn both. Look at the isolated incidents of these young Republicans praising Hitler. Can you condemn that, Jack? Jack, can you condemn people who pledge allegiance to Hitler? Can you pledge allegiance to Hitler? No, but actually, let me look.

42:05Piers Morgan:Don't talk over each other. Jack, I don't think it is difficult for you to just say that what those young Republicans were saying in these messages that was exposed was wrong and should be condemned. Why is that difficult? No, I don't think it's difficult at all. But what I do think is very obvious here that that was timed by Politico. Politico, by the way, would refuse to... Harry, I let you talk. You won't do it. But if they were young people on the left who were exposed to saying this stuff... same day as Charlie Kirk's presidential nomination. And that's exactly right, Piers. He condemns people on the left who joke about other things he doesn't like, but when it comes to pledging allegiance to Hitler, he won't condemn it.

42:42Jack, let me ask you a simple question.

42:44Piers Morgan:Yeah, but they can both be wrong, Jack, and I do think if it was young people on the left, if it was young people on the left who were doing these messages, you would condemn it. Jack, let me ask you a simple question. Before we run out of time, all right, I want to move on. He won't do it. He won't. Everybody, all the Republicans talk about political violence and extreme rhetoric on the left. He will not condemn people who pledge allegiance to Hitler. Time out, please. In the wake of Charlie's murder. Time out, please. You know what I did? Time out, please. I posted videos condemning it. Time out.

43:13I'm bringing you, Scott, in.

43:14Piers Morgan:I don't want to mute your mics. Please, some respect for Scott, who's not had as much chance to talk as you guys, which is a shame. I hope he condemns it. Scott, before we run out of time, I do want to talk about Israel. The president has slightly reigned back on his use of the word we. when it comes to any retribution against Hamas if they do not disarm. What do you think is going on here now? Obviously, none of this was ever going to be easy. Trump deserves enormous credit for getting the hostages released. I think everyone should agree to that. But do you think this ceasefire can hold? And if the critical part of that equation is that Hamas disarm, are you confident that they will do that?

43:56well no look i think uh the entire deal hinges on donald trump's very large promises to hamas that he will restrain israel and prevent them from going back to war and hamas climbed down on full withdrawal from the strip and a couple of other things based on trump's promise so they made a huge gamble there and it's either going to pay off or they're going to suffer. There, of course, are people in Netanyahu's cabinet already saying, well, now we got the hostages back. Let's finish the job and that kind of thing. And it's only Donald Trump that can restrain Benjamin Netanyahu. And I certainly hope that he will.

44:37I think that he means to, I believe that he's sincere. He's talked such a big game about this. I do think that he means in this case. So we'll see how it goes. Now, of course, Hamas is not truly a state in any way. They do not have a true monopoly on force there. And some coup from the Popular Front or the Palestinian Islamic Jihad or even one of their own guys could fire off a rocket. So the question is, or just shoot off a rifle or any kind of thing, set off a landmine. So then the question is, is America going to give Israel permission to take any pretext, any small thing in order to completely restart the war or not?

45:19As far as the total disarmament of Hamas and what's to come, what's supposed to come next as the next stage of this, stages of this thing, I don't think anyone's really thought that through very well. Hamas, I mean, look at what's happened after two years of this. They haven't gone anywhere. They're right there. All those people that were killed were essentially killed for nothing. And, you know, how to get them to disarm. I mean, I'm not in favor of any American intervention here at all. We should just absolutely stop in every way. But all other things being equal, I guess would make sense to let the Egyptians or some of the Gulf states try to set up a thing to reconstruct the place.

45:54But of course, the Israelis don't want to let anyone rebuild Gaza for the Palestinians. They're still determined to kick them out of there. So this is absolutely, you know, the unstoppable force in Netanyahu versus the hopefully immovable object in Donald Trump. But from the Israeli point of view, I don't think they're done taking that territory whatsoever. And let me say one more thing here in reference to y 'all's conversation about national socialism. The most dangerous Nazi on the face of the earth right now is a man named Andrei Beletsky. And he was just promoted to brigadier general and runs what's now called the Third Army Corps of the Ukrainian Army.

46:36It was the third separate infantry division. It was founded as the Azov Battalion. And this guy Beletsky is formerly of the Patriot of Ukraine gang and is an avowed Hitlerian national socialist. And whenever you see coverage of the Ukrainian Nazis, you'll most often see this quote of him talking about leading the white race against the Semite-led Untermenschen, which means the subhumans. You can find that whole speech. I've reprinted it on the blog at antiwar.com. It's called Racial Social Nationalism, and it is absolute straight-up Hitlerian insanity. And this guy is in the top running, top two or three most powerful men in the running to succeed Zelensky as president of Ukraine, and he's made his ambitions extremely clear.

47:22So you want to talk about national socialism, How about America's sock puppets in Kiev right now? And their armed forces at war. Well, it seems like Jack wouldn't condemn that. I don't think Jack would condemn that. I don't think, because he can't condemn two things at once. He's focused entirely on one topic. He can't condemn that. So you can't talk to Jack about it, but Isabel and I, we can discuss that with you as well. Jack is, you know, he's in his own world, so. Harry, have you taken a shower yet to get the president's mud and goo off of you? I don't have you crawled out of Donald Trump's colon yet.

47:48Your hair looks nice, so you must have used some conditioner. I did take a shower. Have you crawled out of Donald Trump's colon yet? I know it's hard. It's dark in there with everything you do to suck up to him on a daily basis. See, again, this is what they do. It's just it's just constant crudity. He's so upset when you give it to me. When you give it to me, I can't give it back. Come on, man. Here you give it to me. I can't give it back to you. That's how you get offended. To be fair, Jack, you did throw the first unclean slur. Yeah, exactly. Pierce, he threw the first punch and he gets mad when I give it back to me.

48:20He goes right for it.

48:23Piers Morgan:OK, let me let me give the final one. Let me give the final word to Isabel. You know, I think ultimately we're missing a larger point of this entire conversation, which is that the irony of all of this is we're watching the president who has worked tirelessly to instill peace in the Middle East and around the world consistently be called the president who surely was going to start World War Three by the same people who are leading so-called no kings protests in every major city across America who have been in office longer than twice the time we have been elected. alive. Look at people like Nancy Pelosi, who were first elected into office into the United States House of Representatives 38 years ago, 10 years before I was even born.

49:03These people have made hundreds of millions of dollars off of their career in public service, supposedly serving the American people, but we're seeing the modern version of a king. So you're watching this.

49:14Piers Morgan:Cryptocurrency. Okay. One thing I would say, Isabel, is that, like I say, the British king does not have the power, for example, to pardon people who've been put in prison for crimes, right? So I want to end by asking you all one question, same question. I want a one-word answer. And the question is, should President Trump have pardoned George Santos? Harry? No. Scott? Yes, he should... Yeah. Only that one word, I'm sorry. OK, go ahead. Is it yes? Yes. Isabel? He has the constitutional power to do so. Yes or no? One word. Yes. Okay. Jack? Yes, but also he didn't pardon him. He commuted him, which is a different thing.

50:03Okay. No, it is a different thing. It's a different thing. He commuted him a sentence. He commuted a sentence, which was an excessive sentence, and it was right for commutation. The pro-crime Republican Party. He's still legally... The pro-crime Republican Party. It was a one-word answer, everybody.

50:15Piers Morgan:And the reason is... The pro-crime Republican Party was not what I did. The reason is, and you might be ahead of me here, I'm about to interview George Santos, who's just heard what you all said. So thank you. Thank you all very much indeed. He got three yeses. I'm sure he'd be happy with that. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it. But one man, like I say, who might be thankful that President Trump has king-like powers, in fact, exceeding king-like powers, is the former New York Congressman George Santos, who had his 87-month prison centres commuted this weekend. And he joins me now. Well, George, welcome back.

50:45Honey, did you invite the minions over? Well, you know how we talked about getting Wi-Fi from Xfinity? Yeah. I ordered it this morning. It was online in minutes. Then they showed up. So they just came over to use the Wi-Fi? For what?

51:00Better not to know. Get online in minutes with same-day Wi-Fi from Xfinity. Plus lock in your price for five years and see Minions and Monsters only in theaters. Xfinity. Imagine that. Restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. Learn more at Xfinity.com slash same-day Wi-Fi. Piers, good to be with you. It's a shame that you weren't my first interview this time. You usually have the firsts.

51:22Piers Morgan:Well, I thought I was going to get the first, so, you know, you cheated on me. I'm sorry. It's OK. I'm sorry I cheated on you, Piers. It's OK. You're still one of the best-looking men on British TV. How about that? Well, that bar is quite low, as you know. George, on a personal level, I was pleased for you. On a sort of more public level, Obviously, a lot of contentious views about what President Trump did here. You know, I was fascinated that you found out yourself by watching television in prison. You just suddenly saw that your sentence was being commuted. Just on that point, that moment, what did that feel like?

52:02I'm still processing it, Piers. I'm pretty sure you've been watching. I've been doing the circuit. And I haven't really had a proper night's sleep. I'M STILL HAVING A HARD TIME SLEEPING AND ADAPTING. BUT I'M STILL IN A STATE OF SHOCK. I STILL, IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN. I MEAN, I HAD JUST GOTTEN OUT OF BEING 41 DAYS IN COMPLETE ISOLATION WITH NO REAL HUMAN INTERACTION. SO IT'S, IT, I'M STILL, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET MY LINING AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REAL, THIS IS HAPPENING. PRESIDENT TRUMP EXTENDED CLEMENCY AND MERCY TOWARDS ME. But it's good to just point this out.

52:44I really wish that Harry Sasson was as outraged as he is when President Biden pardoned Hunter Biden on a complete slate of crimes committed and crimes that God only knows what else he committed. But Harry is really good at being partisan. I wish him well. But, you know, look, Piers, I learned a whole deal. It was not an easy process. It was very punitive. It was not reformatory or meant for rehabilitation. It was a targeted torture of nearly half the time I was in prison. I was in solitary confinement for an extended period of time. Why was that, George?

53:22Piers Morgan:For those who don't know, why were you kept in solitary for so long? There was an initial old death threat that was recycled by Project Veritas, and it was taken serious, even though it had already been debunked years before by Capitol Police. So then the FBI got involved. They actually did their process quite fast, but in 21 days, they were able to conclude it was old, fake, not credible, and that no one was actually going to break into prison to kill me. But the warden, who I had been critical of on my column for the SOUTH SHORE PRESS. SINCE MY INCEPTION IN PRISON BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS, UNSANITARY, INHUMANE CONDITIONS THAT THEY KEPT US FROM FEEDING US EXPIRED FOOD TO HAVING BLACK MOLD ALL OVER THE CEILING, THIS WARDEN SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO SILENCE ME.

54:14THIS WOMAN DIDN'T ALLOW COMMISSARY TO SELL ME STAMPS. SHE DIDN'T ALLOW COS TO GIVE ME ENVELOPES. I HAD TO WORK AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE HELP FROM COS WHO FELT BAD FOR ME AND OTHER INMATES who felt bad for me and gave me their stamps. This was a torturous, dehumanizing process. And I got to say, she allowed me to stay an additional almost three weeks in solitary so she can run her, quote, internal process. And all along calling this protective custody while she put me alongside with people who were in segregated isolation for disciplinary custody, I THINK IT'S A FACILITY. MEANING ONE PHONE CALL EVERY 30 DAYS FOR 15 MINUTES.

54:58NO VISITS ONLY ONCE A MONTH WITH SHACKLES. THEY PUT ME IN SHACKLES, PIERCE. YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY USUALLY PUT MURDERERS AND DANGEROUS PEOPLE IN. SO THIS IS THE KIND OF TREATMENT I RECEIVED. NO REAL MENTAL HEALTH. THEY TOOK ME OFF MY MEDICATIONS THAT I 'VE BEEN ON FOR 22 YEARS WHICH IS VIVANCE. and anyone who knows ADHD and ADD understand how imperative that is for your mental health. This warden runs a slaughterhouse of a facility and she used it to weaponize it against me.

55:26Piers Morgan:What was the first night like when that door clanked shut and you left there? What were you feeling? I was in this big dorm with almost 50 other guys and I cried. I cried every night, Pierce. I'm an emotional guy. We've been in person together. You've seen that firsthand. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY. I'M EMOTIONAL. I CRIED. I WAS TRYING TO ADJUST THE BEST I COULD UNTIL THE WARDEN SLAPPED ME INTO THE ISOLATION. THE FIRST NIGHT WAS AWFUL. YOU WALK IN, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYBODY. YOU'RE CAUGHT OFF GUARD. THE CONDITIONS ARE AWFUL. THE SANITATION AND SANITARY CONDITIONS DON'T REALLY EXIST.

56:04NUTRITION IS ABSOLUTELY SUBPAR. and you're forced to live in an environment that's unsafe, hostile and unsanitary. How can you even start to comprehend that this is how the FCI ferritin institution and the warden expect to rehabilitate someone? It doesn't happen.

56:25Piers Morgan:Did you feel physically scared those first few days and weeks? The first few days, my guard was up. I was absolutely terrified. I TOLD YOU IN YOUR AUDIENCE BEFORE GOING, YOU KNOW, VIOLENCE, SEXUAL VIOLENCE, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, ALL THOSE THINGS WENT THROUGH MY HEAD. LUCKILY, THERE WAS A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE WITH A GOOD HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS WHO KIND OF WERE JUST LIKE, LOOK, NOBODY'S GOING TO MESS WITH YOU. NOBODY'S GOING TO HURT YOU. WE'RE HERE. WE'RE NOT THAT KIND OF FACILITY. THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD SAY AT THE CAMP. AND TRULY, I NEVER REALLY WAS IN PHYSICAL HARM THERE. PEOPLE TREATED ME REALLY GRACIOUSLY, AND I'M FOREVER thankful for that.

57:01All people from all walks of life and different political opinions were very generous and very gracious towards me. So no physical harm there for sure.

57:11Piers Morgan:There will be people watching this saying, you know, get out the smallest violin in the world. You know, you were a liar, you were a cheat, you were a fraudster and so on. That's why you were in prison. You know, it's not a holiday camp, it's not a hotel. And prisons are tough for a reason. They're THERE TO DETER PEOPLE. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WON'T HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR WHAT YOU 'VE BEEN SAYING? YOU KNOW, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND MY CRITICS. I CREATED MY CRITICS BECAUSE IT WAS MY OWN SELF-DOING. I WAS IN SUCH A DESTRUCTIVE, SELF-DESTRUCTIVE PATH THAT I LEFT A TRAIL OF HURT ALL ALONG THE WAY TO MY FORMER COLLEAGUES IN THE HOUSE, MY FORMER NEW YORK GOP APPARATUS, MY SUPPORTERS, MY VOTERS, THE CONSTITUENTS OF NEW YORK'S 3RD DISTRICT, ALONG with friends and family.

57:55It's my own doing. So it's part of my mission. It's part of my path towards redemption is to endure the criticism and take it as, you know, constructive and built on it and prove to them through actions, not just words, that I will do better and I will be better and show them that side. And only time will heal wounds and only time will warrant true forgiveness from people and Pearson. That's all I can do. You know, I can't expect any much more than that. I HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AHEAD OF ME.

58:25Piers Morgan:YOU SAID THAT YOU OW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU ALSO OWED THEM$373 ,000, WHICH WAS THE FINE PUT AGAINST YOU. THAT ALSO GETS WIPED IN THE COMMUTATION OF YOUR SENTENCE. AND THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS AS WHETHER YOU WILL FEEL A PERSONAL MORAL OBLIGATION TO PAY IT. WHAT IS YOUR VIEW? SO I WAS ACTUALLY SPEAKING WITH MY ATTORNEYS THIS MORNING. WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL vehicle or way to do that. But we are going to explore options. We are going to consult. We'll figure something out. I think, as you said, and I've spoken to other people, they said it would be a great start. Obviously, I want to, if it's what it takes, I want to do it.

59:07It's just a matter of understanding how can we do it. And I look forward to figuring that out. It's only day five and I look forward to doing the best I can to start really regaining public trust and rebuilding my life, Pierce. So again, it's not off the table. It's just a matter of how and what will be the vehicle to do so.

59:24Piers Morgan:People can come out of prison, George, and go one or two ways. I've seen it with people I know myself. They can either become genuinely better people who understand what they did was completely wrong and then pledge to leading a better, more honest and decent life, or they go completely off the rails and double down and travel down and end up being lifetime criminals. What do you feel about where you are in yourself today? I mean, spiritually speaking, I'll be very clear. I had such a revelation while I was in there. Just a couple of days before coming out of solitary confinement, I'm sorry, just a couple of days after coming out of solitary confinement, our visiting priest was there for mass.

1:00:08I went to confession as he offered. I TOOK COMMUNION AFTER MANY YEARS OF BEING PRETTY MUCH IGNORING MY FAITH AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THAT WAS THURSDAY. AND ON FRIDAY, I GOT COMMUTED. SO TO TELL ME THAT I SQUARED AWAY WITH GOD AND WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT PEACE AND AMEND, I SEE THAT THERE'S NO OTHER PATH OTHER THAN A PATH OF GOOD AND PROSPERITY AND TO DO THE RIGHT THING. TO GO BACK AND GO BACK INTO THIS SELF-DESTRUCTIVE WRONG-DOING PATH WOULD BE UTTERLY IRRESPONSIBLE AND JUST MORALLY BANKRUPT. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO PORTRAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT FOR MY LIFE. WE DON'T GET A START OVER IN LIFE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REWRITE THE ENDING OF OUR LIFE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET THAT GO OR FORGO THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS GRANTED TO ME BY THE GRACE OF GOD AND THE MERCY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BY EXTENDING CLEMENCY TOWARDS ME.

1:00:59SO I HAVE A LOT ON MY SHOULDERS TO PERFORM A VERY SOLID FUTURE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND ABOVE ALL GOD. So there's just no turning back at this point.

1:01:10Piers Morgan:Have you had a chance to talk to President Trump yet? I did. On Saturday, he called me. We had a lovely conversation. He was very, you know, George, have a good life, do good. And I told him, President Trump, I want to work on prison reform. I want to help you and the team and the party do as much as we can to do the right thing. And he was receptive. And I look forward to doing anything I can in my capacity. This isn't about money. This isn't about fame. This is about doing the right thing and advocating. Imagine 250 ,000 Americans are in federal custody today in our country, by far the largest country with the percentage of inmates in federal custody in the first world.

1:01:49The fact that we have a 35 percent recidivism in federal inmates shows you that we have a very broke rehabilitation system and that all the recidivism is actually higher transgressions than the previous, making that the custody levels higher. And I believe that that happens because we don't have a good reformatory system. We have a punitive system. It's not about making it a hotel stay, but it's also about rehabilitating people so that they can go back to communities and be treated with dignity while incarcerated. I have a voice. If they did what they did to me, can you imagine what they do to people who don't have the same privilege that I have and the same relationships that I have?

1:02:30So that opened my eyes to want to go out there and do what is right.

1:02:34Piers Morgan:Finally, George, what was the thing you missed most when you were banged up in prison? And what was the first thing you did when you got your freedom back? My family. My family means everything to me, Piers. My spouse, my sister, my niece, Chloe, who's seven years old and she's autistic and she's my full-time job. I take her to her therapies and all of her activities and that being taken away from me hurt me profoundly. and, you know, I've just been indulging in their presence. And the first thing I did was go for a good meal of sushi. I needed to make sure that my first meal was not out of a can and not frozen not too long ago.

1:03:14So sushi was the first meal I had and the first thing I did when I got out of prison, Pierce.

1:03:19Piers Morgan:Well, George, it's good to see you. You know, I think that you... Thank you. By the time you were about to go to prison, when we last did an interview, I felt you would reconcile with the fact that you had gone down the wrong path in life, you regretted it, and you were going to take your punishment, whatever that was going to ensue. It was a very difficult interview to do. When I previously interviewed you, you were so full of life and exuberant and so on, but you were nearly a broken man, but it didn't break you. And I'm glad that President Trump has given you a second chance here to be a different person.

1:03:53Piers Morgan:And I hope that you become that person that you want to be. I think it would be really what, you know, the best outcome that can come from a bad situation like this. Pierce, I appreciate you saying that because it's humbling. It's really humbling to look back. I look back at a lot of clips. I was angry. I was poisoned. My soul and body were poisoned by anger. And that's a poison I no longer want in my life because it nearly destroyed me permanently. So, like I said, it's great to be with you. It's great to be with your audience. and I just want to say thank you for the opportunity to always communicate with you openly.

1:04:30And I will say, you've always been my toughest interviewer and you've always called me on my BS and I want to say thank you, Piers, for keeping me up to snuff and holding me accountable.

1:04:40Piers Morgan:George, it's good to see you. And I will watch what you do next with great interest. Thank you very much for coming on. Thank you, Piers. Thank you for having me. Piers Morgan on Sensor is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate, and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.

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