‘I’m Afraid Mom’s Going To Die’ Kevin Federline & Sons Fear For Britney Spears’ LIFE

23 Oct 2025 · 49 min · 17 chapters

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In short

Kevin Federline’s memoir “You Thought You Knew” and his claims that Britney Spears’ mental health and drug use are so severe that her sons fear she may die; he argues the “Free Britney” movement and conservatorship ending left professionals afraid to help.

Guest backgrounds

Kevin Federline (Britney Spears’ ex-husband; father of their two sons). Panelists: DJ Vlad (cultural commentator), Javier de Rousseau (PragerU commentator), Esther Krakow (Uncensored contributor), Tyler Wells (Free Britney advocate). Host: Piers Morgan.

Key claims

Kevin says he stayed silent for 20 years, sought custody and “full custody” for the boys, and hasn’t spoken to Britney for 5–6 years. He claims the sons stopped seeing Britney after witnessing “shocking” behavior and that substance abuse is involved (including cocaine while nursing, plus “a variety” of drugs). He says Britney’s Instagram statement about only 45 minutes of contact is inaccurate. He argues “Free Britney” vilified people and reduced help availability; he frames the book as a “last cry for help.”

Notable examples

The View clip celebrating the divorce; Kevin’s “two ways” ending (get help or tragedy); allegations of conservatorship-related fear among lawyers/judges; debate over whether publicity could trigger care.

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Kevin Federline's Controversial Memoir

0:30 to 2:01

Kevin Federline discusses his motivations for writing his memoir about Britney Spears.

“I'm trying to show people that help is needed now because time is running out.”

Reflections on Public Perception

2:01 to 4:58

Kevin shares his experiences of being portrayed negatively in the media and its impact.

“We'll begin by hearing from the man himself, Kevin Federline, joins me now.”

The Impact of Divorce on Britney and Kevin

4:58 to 7:35

Discussion on the fallout of Kevin's divorce from Britney and the media's role.

“And, you know, I honestly think that that even had to have hurt her, right?”

Kevin's Perspective on Britney's Mental Health

7:35 to 11:31

Kevin discusses his observations of Britney Spears' mental health struggles.

“Well, I've seen the reaction about you as a father and it's generally positive.”

Kevin's Last Efforts to Help Britney

12:40 to 14:00

Kevin explains why he wrote his book as a plea for help regarding Britney's situation.

“For one, my family and I are tired of living the lie.”

Kevin’s Concerns for Britney's Health

14:00 to 19:22

Kevin Federline discusses his fears for Britney Spears and the impact on their sons.

“I don't want my kids waking up having to deal with the unimaginable.”

Substance Abuse and Family Dynamics

19:22 to 21:28

Kevin addresses substance abuse issues and their impact on family relationships.

“Yeah, and is this to do with substance abuse or what are we talking about?”

Substance Abuse and Family Dynamics

22:30 to 22:40

Kevin addresses substance abuse issues and their impact on family relationships.

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The Impact of Fame on Britney

22:40 to 25:02

Kevin reflects on Britney's struggles with fame and its potential effects on her mental health.

“I mean, I'm not going to dive into her finances, but who knows?”

Seeking Answers for Britney's Future

25:02 to 26:58

Discussion on the future of Britney Spears and the quest for support and answers.

“I do feel the logic and mindfulness in my body as one was 100 % murdered and destroyed.”
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Message to Britney

26:58 to 27:51

Kevin sends a heartfelt message to Britney Spears about love and support.

“We've tried to help her in every which way we possibly can.”

The Impact of the Free Britney Movement

28:00 to 32:51

Discussing how the Free Britney campaign and the conservatorship have affected Britney Spears.

“by Javier de Rousseau, the commentator with PragerU, and Esther Krakow, uncensored contributor, and Tyler Wells, a Free Britney advocate.”

Kevin Federline's Role and Exploitation Allegations

33:03 to 34:46

Examining Kevin Federline's parenting, his motivations for writing a book, and the implications for Britney Spears.

“I think that he was put in a position where he had no other choice but to get a divorce and ultimately the court sided with him in terms of giving him 100 % custody.”

Kevin Federline's Role and Exploitation Allegations

34:53 to 42:00

Examining Kevin Federline's parenting, his motivations for writing a book, and the implications for Britney Spears.

“If they weren't famous and it was just somebody I knew, I'd be incredibly concerned about what that means.”

Reflections on Parenting and Britney Spears

42:00 to 42:28

Discussion on the implications of Kevin Federline's parenting and the children's perspective on their mother.

“They don't want to put themselves through that again.”

Debate on Kevin Federline's Role

42:56 to 45:52

Exploration of Kevin Federline's actions and the societal perception of Britney Spears' struggles.

“Yeah, I think multiple things can be true at once.”

The Impact of Freedom on Britney

45:52 to 47:26

Discussion on the effects of Britney Spears' conservatorship and her current state post-freedom.

“how do you trust the people that were turned against you and forced upon you for years?”
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0:45But ultimately, he went to the courts and he got exactly what he deserved. The proof speaks for itself with the kids actually wanting to be with him and are actually troubled when they're around their mom. If there is one thing that you can unite every nation, it is the fact that Kevin Federline has always been a greedy bastard. If this were actually about him caring about Britney Spears, then why is he writing in his book about her alleged lesbian hookup? If Britney wanted to get some nookie, Britney deserved to get some nookie. I think he is basically one of the leeches that he's accusing have taken advantage of her in her life.

1:15Well, you're writing a book about her. You're revealing the fact that she apparently had a lesbian affair. You are one of those people that are exploiting her. He's going to gain nothing from this book.

1:24Piers Morgan:A quarter of a century on from her first global hit, Britney Spears, remains one of the most talked-about celebrities in the world and one of the biggest stars of her generation. It's into that maelstrom that her ex-husband Kevin Federline steps with his controversial new memoir, You Thought You Knew. Kayfed, as he was known, says he's releasing the book because it's time to set the record straight after years of the media, blogs, strangers and exes telling his story for him, as he puts it. Some critics have a different take. One reviewer called it a vapid memoir, which is just another means to kick Britney while she's down.

1:58Piers Morgan:Well, we'll debate that in true Uncensored style shortly. We'll begin by hearing from the man himself, Kevin Federline, joins me now. Kevin, welcome to Uncensored. Thank you so much for having me. Well, let's try and cut through all the crap around the release of the book and all the stuff, good, bad, and ugly has been said about it. Tell me, in your own words, why you wrote the book. well I feel like you know I've stayed silent for 20 years trying to do right as a father and raise my children outside of the spotlight or Hollywood whatever you want to call it um while so many others have told my story I feel like my story's been told through a different lens and now finally I'm ready to tell my truth.

2:47Piers Morgan:For those who don't know the background to this, you dated Brittany for three months. You then got married in July 2004. You had two sons between you in September 2005 and then September the following year. And you had pretty much full custody of those boys going forward when the troubles set in. They're now at adult age. Was that part of your calculation to to wait until they were adults themselves absolutely I wanted to make sure that my kids had a chance to grow and and really you know give them a chance at a normal life right as much as I possibly could which obviously it was very difficult and and through the book you'll find, you know, all of the stories that led us up to this point.

3:41You know, yeah, I mean, I was just a struggling father trying to give my kids a normal life.

3:49Piers Morgan:It's been, I think, fair to say that you've been viewed as the bad guy in this for a long time in terms of relationship with Britney. I want to play a clip. This is from The View, the day after your divorce was announced. Britney Spears is leaving K-Stan!

4:09Prince Benny!

4:15She's crazy. She's crazy. Britney!

4:26Piers Morgan:Now, I don't know you. I've never met Britney. But I've got to say, I found that a pretty ugly spectacle. I don't think you'd see anything like that airing on American television now without them all getting fired. The kind of gleeful response to the breakdown of a relationship and a divorce, whatever the background, whatever was circulating in the media, that seemed to me actually pretty cruel. If you're you watching that, that's a pretty cruel thing to watch. What do you feel watching it back does now?

4:57It hurts. I'm not going to lie to you. It hurts. And, you know, I honestly think that that even had to have hurt her, right? Because you're talking about a family being split and that's not easy in itself. And to have that celebrated at a time where clearly she's spiralling, I fell into depression and people were celebrating that. I mean, it's disgusting.

5:26Piers Morgan:What is your view of the host of The View? for what they did that day. Well, I don't watch them, I'll tell you that. I mean, the cast has changed significantly since then, but it's pretty shocking watching it, I have to say. I've done The View a few times, but it's pretty shocking to watch that actually go out. This was 20 years ago. Right, right. I mean, you know, and that's it. It's like my life being told through a different lens has led to that, you know, to all of that. And people feel like... And I think that by me staying silent, it also did the same thing, right? I think that people felt, you know, they had the right to go and say whatever they want because they knew that I wasn't going to come out and speak up for myself.

6:19Piers Morgan:I mean, it's interesting to see the ringleader there was Rosie O'Donnell, who's now the lead attack dog against Donald Trump, has even left the country. so she can attack him, I think, from Ireland, where she now lives. But, you know, this is somebody who purports herself to be the kind, empathetic one and trumps the monster that has to be trashed all the time. When I watch her behaviour that day towards you, again, I don't know you, but whatever led up to that, the way she did that was like a circus ringleader, circus master, basically unleashing the dogs on you through a television. Yeah. Yeah.

7:01I mean, it's horrible, right? It feels horrible being judged by somebody that doesn't even know me. But I mean, really, if you want to judge me, look at what I've done as a father. Judge me off of my children. None of my children have been in trouble with the law. None of my children have been addicted to drugs. all of my children, every single one of them, and I have six, are really good human beings with a good head on their shoulders and they're all falling into their own. They know who they are and they know their identity. And that, you know, if you want to judge me, judge me on that.

7:35Piers Morgan:Well, I've seen the reaction about you as a father and it's generally positive. People, whether they love you or hate you, they all concede you've been a good father. And certainly taking custody of your two boys when Britney was clearly unable to be a proper parent, that's very laudable, right? I give you credit for that. I guess the flip side of all this is that you know that from 2008 to 2021, Britney was put under a conservative ship, a legal arrangement, allowed her father to manage her financial affairs, and the reason for that was that she was clearly... And we see Miss Tuba's day. You know, I don't know her, but I see the video she puts out, I see some of the stuff that circulates around Britney.

8:18Piers Morgan:This is a mentally unstable woman. She was then, she was during, she is now. That is why she didn't have the custody of your kids. You know this better than anybody. And, you know, you've written a book which is... You know, you're entitled to write a book. Let me just say that. You're entitled to have your say. But knowing her mental state, knowing how fragile she clearly is... You know, I see these videos she puts out of herself dancing And honestly, they're tragic. They're tragic things to watch. It is a woman who was the biggest pop star on the planet who is clearly continuing to battle a lot of mental health issues.

8:57Piers Morgan:And it's sad to watch, and we all feel that, I'm sure, when we see these videos. But you've written a book, you know, you blame her for being a narcissist, for her own behaviour. You just say that she has nobody there that truly cares for. I'm sure that's right. you say that, you know, you talk about her mental issues, you talk about her being taken to Cedars-Sinai Medical Centre in L.A. and placed under psychiatric hold, the toughest night of your life you talk about. You talk about the impact on your kids. You do all this stuff. And I'm just thinking, as I'm reading all this, because it's graphically told, how does this help Britney Spears?

9:35Piers Morgan:How does this not actually have an even more damaging effect on an already damaged woman? to have the intimate details of the breakdown of your relationship, the breakdown of her mental health, laid bare now in a book. And you going on a big media tour talking about all this. Now, she has said she's had enough writing. She put a comment out on her Instagram. The constant gas signing from my ex-husband is extremely hurtful and exhausting. She says she's felt demoralised about the fracture of the relationship with your boys. I've always pleaded and screamed to have a life with my boys. She said she's only seen one of her sons for 45 minutes in the past five years.

10:14Piers Morgan:So quite a cry from the heart there. And I guess my question for you, Kevin, is you've been a good father. You've brought these kids up well. They've obviously relied on that. They couldn't rely on their mother. But you know how damaged Britney is. Why would you deliberately seek to pour fuel on the flames of her mental illness in the way that you have with this book. Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have eczema. So I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about ebglis? Ebglis, Lubrikizumab LBKZ, a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema.

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12:43So there's quite a few reasons, right? For one, my family and I are tired of living the lie. For two, I want my sons and my family to be able to go out and live their lives out from under all of this, you know, and get out of the shadow of this. And a major, major part of why I'm doing this is because we have tried everything else, and I see no other way to try and get her help. I mean, you know, everybody has been alienated from the situation. so once we've done everything this is like my last final straw of trying to plead for help and support for my sons to you know get her to a place where it's better and I understand that this hurts and the truth hurts and all of that and that is not what I want I'm not trying to hurt anybody I'm trying to put a perspective on it and show people that help is needed now because time is running out.

13:52Piers Morgan:And when you say time is running out, what do you mean? It's exactly what it sounds like. I don't want my kids waking up having to deal with the unimaginable. Their mother might die. Yes. There's only two ways that this ends. Two ways that this ends right now. We've seen it a million times with so many different people. And so this is a cry for help. Kevin, just to be clear, what are the two ways? Either you get help or you don't. Do you talk to Britney at all? I haven't spoken to her in years. How many years? I mean, at least five, six. So when she says in this Instagram statement that she's only seen one of your sons for 45 minutes in the past five years, is that accurate?

14:58No, that's not. She's seen one of my sons, she saw one of my sons one day this year and he decided not to go back over there because of what he saw. The other one, Jaden, who's my younger son, is 19 now. He's been over there quite a few times over the past year and he stopped seeing her in the last few months because of the situation. And they're terrified and they're worried about their mom and they don't know how to help because of what all of this has caused.

15:31Piers Morgan:Do you think the blaze of publicity around your book, though, is going to help? or could it be the trigger for the disastrous option that you've articulated? I mean, I'm hoping that it helps. This is a last cry. There was this famous Free Britney movement. A lot of people felt that she was under a damaging control from her father, and in 2021, like I said, an L.A. judge ruled it was no longer required after fan pressure. You say in the book that this Free Britney movement, which was a push by fans and supporters to have the conservatorship terminated, may have started from a good place, but it vilified people around Spears so intensely that now professionals with the ability to help your ex-wife may be too afraid to step in.

16:30Piers Morgan:Just explain that. And that's exactly what I'm talking about, of how this situation that's been created to where nobody knows how to navigate this situation. I don't know that there's ever been any situation like this. Lawyers, judges, anybody, they're afraid to touch it. I mean, it's such a hard thing, right? And that is another purpose of why I'm going about it this way. because there is no other way. And that has been created from that movement. Do you talk to Britney's father at all? I speak to... Yes, I've spoken to all of her family members. And do they share your concern about where things have reached?

17:25Anybody that cares and truly cares about Britney is worried about her right now, yes. Do you still love her, Kevin?

17:37I mean, yes, not in love with her, but I've always had love for her. She's the mother of my children. I don't want to see anything bad happen to her. Obviously, I want her to be able to share the type of relationship that I have with our kids. You know, I mean, even Char. I share a relationship with Char, and she shares that relationship with our kids. I want that for Brittany. this isn't about bringing her down. This is about telling the truth and trying to build her back up.

18:10Piers Morgan:And you said that both your sons have stopped seeing her now because of what they witnessed when they saw her. What kind of thing did they see that has really freaked them out? I mean, look, I don't want to get into the details of, you know, her privacy. Obviously, I've said so much in my book that, you know, adding to that is not going to help. Yeah, but look, to be honest with you, that's where... OK, come on, Kevin. It's like you've written a whole book invading her privacy. So that ship has sailed. It's just a question of scale. I do think it's pertinent to her current situation, why your sons don't want to be around her.

18:54Piers Morgan:And I think it's not unreasonable that you've explained that to me without saying the kind of thing you're talking about. Right, but that's not my story to tell. That's my son's story to tell if they decide to. I mean, the things that they've seen are shocking, right? So shocking that one of my sons came to me and called me and was like, I don't know what to do. I'm afraid mom is going to die. Does that help? Yeah, and is this to do with substance abuse or what are we talking about? Absolutely. Absolutely. You talk in the book about her doing cocaine while she was still nursing your boys when they were very young.

19:35Piers Morgan:Is it that kind of substance we're talking about? I mean, it's... It is that, all of it. So much more. A variety of different drugs. Yes. It's a desperately sad situation. Again, critics of you, Kevin, have said that you've just done this for money. So let me just deal with that. How much are you being paid for this book?

20:07Look, if this was about money, I would have cashed in years ago when I was being offered seven figures to sit down with people like yourself and tell my story. You know, I would have cashed in when the story was at its height. If this was about money, I would have taken Britney to court and demanded$100 ,000 a month in child support, especially when I knew she was making 50 million a year or whatever. This is not about money. And the one thing that I've learned through all of this is the most important thing to me is my family, the love I have for my kids, my wife now, and everybody that's involved in this situation.

20:49Because money cannot touch that. Material things have no meaning to me anymore in my life.

20:55Piers Morgan:When you got divorced, the court awarded you$20 ,000 a month in child support and alimony of another$20 ,000 a month for half the duration of your marriage. And you make the point in the book, people hear figures like that, they think you're financially set, just maintaining a home and lifestyle that matched what the boys were used to with their mother easily ran to that amount a month. Rent, security, full-time nanny, transportation, all the other day-to-day needs of raising two kids in LA, as well as my two kids added up fast. That money was gone almost as soon as it came in. Do you receive any money from Britney now?

21:33No, I haven't received any money from Britney for a year at least.

21:39Piers Morgan:For how long, sorry? For a year at least. So it stopped a year ago.

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23:24Piers Morgan:I mean, you see this slippery path a lot with people, especially when they're young and they become big stars. They turn to drugs, they turn to alcohol, they turn to all sorts of stuff, and it can end up killing them. It can. I always think fame is one of the most lethal drugs of all. But do you think it's that that was the catalyst or were there demons there long before she became famous?

23:51I don't know. I think, honestly, that it could be a little bit of both. And I agree with you 100%. I even talk about it in my book. I think that fame is the most powerful drug in the world. And it's a very dangerous place to be. I mean, I've lived through some of that myself. And, you know, it's really, really tough. But I couldn't honestly tell you for sure because when we were first together, you know, things were so great, you know. And I talk about a lot of this in my book about how incredible it was until it wasn't. And I mean, it's just, it's really hard to say if things were there before, right?

24:36I think that that's a big possibility. but I also think that the situation that she's in with how famous that she was at such a young age, I mean, it definitely played a part. I think everything has played a part in this.

24:50Piers Morgan:She also said on Instagram at the weekend that she may have a lot more to reveal. She said, trust me, there's a lot I didn't share in my book and still things at this very moment I've kept hidden because it's incredibly painful and sad. I do feel the logic and mindfulness in my body as one was 100 % murdered and destroyed. I couldn't dance or move for five months. I do feel like my wings were taken away and brain damage happened to me a long time ago, 100%. I have, of course, moved on from that troubling time in my life and I'm blessed to be alive. What did you make of that when you saw it? I mean, look, I feel that everybody has the right to tell their truth, right?

25:32But I would just make sure that it's the truth. That's what I would say.

25:38Piers Morgan:Do you think she should be back in a conservative ship? Do you think she needs to be back in a conservative ship? Do you think the Free Britney campaign ended up having the complete opposite effect? I do think that the campaign had the opposite effect, but I also think that if you really look at it, like, they want her at her best, right? And I think that's something that all of us can agree on. Like, we all want her at her best, you know? And I just hope that somehow, someway, it gets there. I don't have the answers. I don't know if a conservatorship is the right thing. I don't know what the answers are.

26:20I don't. I mean, that's another reason why I've gone so public with this, is, you know, we're searching for answers and we're searching for support. My sons, they, you know, I mean, that's really, at the end of the day of what this whole thing is. I've done everything for my kids. I've done everything for my family. And this is a part of that. Like, what type of father am I to not try and reach out and help? And I understand that a lot of people think that this is only going to hurt. There is no other way. You have to trust me in that because we've tried everything. We've tried to do it privately.

26:58We've tried to help her in every which way we possibly can. And everybody's She's been shut out. So what do you do?

27:05Piers Morgan:Have your boys read the book? My boys know everything that's in this book, yes. And they support you with all of it? 100%. If Britney happens to see this interview, Kevin, what would your message to her be?

27:29my message to Brittany is know that you are loved there are so many people around that care about you and please please try to find your way back to the people that actually love you

27:49Piers Morgan:Kevin Federline I appreciate you coming on the censor thank you very much thank you so much Piers Well, fascinating interview. I'm joined now by DJ Vlad, the cultural commentator, by Javier de Rousseau, the commentator with PragerU, and Esther Krakow, uncensored contributor, and Tyler Wells, a Free Britney advocate. Well, let me start with you, Tyler Wells, there, because Kevin Feddle, I'm making it very clear that he thinks the Free Britney campaign, albeit well-intentioned, actually ended up having a very damaging effect on Britney. What's your response to that? I think we can argue that the same can be said about the conservatorship.

28:27Excuse me. It was intended to help her out maybe in the beginning, but we all saw what it turned out to be. And Brittany has spoken out many times about how it turned into something to suppress her and silence her for many years. She wasn't allowed to use her voice for 15 years.

28:47And yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I'm taken aback by Kevin's interview.

28:54Piers Morgan:In what way? He just said a lot of things that contradicted himself. He has spoken out many times over the years. He's spoken with DJ Vlad many times. He's sat, and I feel like every time we hear about him in the media, it is about Britney.

29:13He's spoken out in 2021 with Daphne Barak. the boys spoke out in that interview they talked about what they thought about their mother

29:24Wow

29:26Piers Morgan:Esther let me come to you what did you think of the interview with Kevin Peddler I think I agreed with only one thing that he said which was that the intention of the conservatorship while it was initially good I do think that there were problems I do agree with him there I find it completely ironic that he thinks the only way to save her is to flog a book, which he's undoubtedly going to get paid at the very least tens of thousands of dollars for. Now, if he said all the proceeds from the book, including the advance, would have gone to mental health charities, that's different. And he obviously knows Britney better than I do.

30:01And he thinks, if he thinks that the only way to get through to her at this point in her life is to go somehow public with the kind of story of their lives together, fine. I still think it's tacky. I think it's always tacky when a parent publishes a book on another parent and the parent of their children. But, you know, that's neither here nor there. But I think in terms of the conservatorship, it was kind of threw the baby out with the bathwater, ending it so abruptly. Now, we don't know all the kind of detail that the judge who imposed this conservatorship on Britney Spears, we don't know the information that they had.

30:34But clearly it was significant enough for them to impose a permanent one on her. So one indefinitely. I do think there are serious problems with the fact that her father was being paid$16 ,000 a month to be her conservator. I do think the fact that he got kickbacks from her tours in her residencies in Las Vegas is a horrible thing. You should absolutely not be paid for managing someone's estate if you're doing it in good faith, with the exception of, let's say, expenses. However, I do think there should be some sort of fiduciary oversight because she has worked so hard. And I think it would be a shame if, due to her mental health, she loses it all.

31:10What if tomorrow she becomes a Scientologist and decides to pay all her money to the Church of Scientology? We thank God that her last marriage, she had the good sense to sign a prenup. But she's worth over$60 million, allegedly. What if, you know, she gets involved with someone that takes advantage of her in that way? And I think, you know, the whole free Britney, freedom without competence is not freedom, it's just chaos. And so there has to be a middle ground here.

31:33Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, DJ Vlad, you know, the problem with the free Britney thing is that she doesn't seem very free to me. She seems extremely troubled, extremely damaged. And to hear Kevin Federline explain how both of their sons have stopped seeing her because they're so shocked by what happens when they go and see her, you know, that should be a wake-up call for everybody, that the logical way this ends is either going to be she gets help or we're going to wake up to a tragedy with Britney Spears. And, you know, I think he was genuine, that. You know, I don't know Kevin Federline, and maybe he's just scamming me with all this stuff, but you know him.

32:08Piers Morgan:You've interviewed him a few times. What did you make of the interview? The tax extension deadline has passed, but for millions of Americans, trouble is just beginning. If you miss the October deadline or owe back taxes, the IRS is now ramping up enforcement. Every day you could wait could make it worse. The IRS can charge penalties up to 25 % of your tax bill simply for not filing, and that's on top of what you already owe. Well, Tax Network USA can help. If you're self-employed, a business owner, or if your books are a mess, Tax Network USA resolves the chaos and gets you back on track. Your consultation is free.

32:44Piers Morgan:In one short call and a few questions, their experts will determine how much you can save. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com slash peers. Let Tax Network USA help you before the IRS makes the next move. Well, I've interviewed him once. I think he was very transparent. Yeah, he was very transparent. I think that he was put in a position where he had no other choice but to get a divorce and ultimately the court sided with him in terms of giving him 100 % custody. I think the problem is that in society, women do this to men 99 % of the time. They marry a rich person, they have a couple of kids, they get divorced, they get a lot of alimony, a lot of child support and so forth and everyone applauds them and so forth but when a man does it with a rich woman he's the villain and this is what i think has been happening with kevin federline for years and years uh but ultimately he went to the courts and he got exactly what he deserved and the proof speaks for itself with the kids actually wanting to be with him and are actually troubled when they're around their mom right i mean javier that seems to me to be at the crux of this, you know, is that he's been a very good father to those boys.

33:58Piers Morgan:If he hadn't been a good father to those boys, I don't think any of us think that they would have had a comfortable existence if Britney had full control of them, because she doesn't seem in control of herself. Right. You know, I'll give it to Kevin. It seems like that he is a decent father, but nobody is buying his gaslighting just like nobody is buying his book. If there is one thing that you can unite every nation, it is the fact that Kevin Federline has always been a greedy bastard. He has just spent the last two decades exploiting every mistake that Britney Spears made so that he could maximize his millions of dollars in child support.

34:31Because if this were actually about him caring about Britney Spears, then why is he writing in his book about her alleged lesbian hookup? That information is irrelevant. If Britney wanted to get some nookie, Britney deserved to get some nookie. What does that have to do with her mental health today? And the real problem is there is a huge epidemic happening where the most prolific women in hollywood are being disempowered by these conservatorships from child support spousal support and having their platforms hijacked and kevin federline you're ultimately going to hell just like your book sales you know it's

35:01Piers Morgan:interesting uh i mean tyler you know go to hell is very similar to what we saw with the scene from the view when they celebrated so gleefully the divorce he's been this hate figure for 20 years and yet underneath it he's brought up these two boys and I do, as a father of three boys myself, I think about that and what it takes and I give him credit for that, right? Now, like I say, he might have been putting the wool over my eyes but I thought he came over authentically when he talked about wanting Britney to survive what he thinks clearly and his sons clearly think is a very dangerous time in her life where whatever they're seeing when they go and see her and they've now stopped was so shocking They don't even want to see it again.

35:43Piers Morgan:You know, if I was... If they weren't famous and it was just somebody I knew, I'd be incredibly concerned about what that means. So, you know, he could be a lot of things at the same time. He might be a bit greedy. He might have been someone who's tried to exploit his relationship with Britney. I'm sure all that is true. I'm sure he's taken money, to talk about it before. He's making money from this book. That doesn't automatically mean he doesn't care what happens to the mother of his sons. I agree with that. And also something to point out is that he leaked videos that the boys took of Britney a couple years back, intended to harm her, and it actually backfired on him.

36:21What people saw was a regular mother disciplining her children, but he took personal home footage of Britney and released it on his Instagram, trying to show her in a bad light that ultimately backfired on him. So he hasn't always painted himself in the best light either.

36:39Piers Morgan:No, I think that's right. But Esther, the one thing I did think he was right about, and I think everyone could agree, fame is a very insidious and damaging drug. And particularly when you're 16, as she was, when her first big hits were coming out. To be a 16-year-old kid and be propelled into pop superstardom, I've seen it with pop stars. I used to write a showbiz column for a big newspaper in the UK and I used to interview a lot of pop stars. and I saw them go up and I saw them crash down and I saw some appalling stuff. We saw one of one direction. You know, Liam Payne tragically loses life recently and that looked to me like somebody who was a victim of too much fame and with all the excess that it brings.

37:23Piers Morgan:And some people say, well, don't excuse them, it's their choice. It is, but they're very young. Again, I've had four kids. They're now 32 down to nearly 14, but I remember them all in their teenage years. The idea of giving them millions of dollars and allowing them unfettered access to booze and drugs and girls or whatever, or boys if they're female, whatever. You know, it's a recipe for disaster. Of course it is. But I think this is why when he says that, you know, she isn't surrounded by people that love her and that she needs to, you know, be surrounded by people that actually care for her.

38:02Well, you're writing a book about her. You're revealing the fact that she apparently had a lesbian affair. You are one of those people that are exploiting her. Yes, she may have had a hard start because she had all this fame and wealth when she was 16, and I do think that should be protected, but I think he is basically one of the leeches that he's accusing have taken advantage of her in her life. And yes, she is the mother of his children. He should also feel the need to protect her. He's going to gain nothing from this book. He's not going to help her get better. He's not going to help her get the mental health support or treatment that she needs.

38:30Piers Morgan:Well, so let's just take that... OK, that's an interesting point. Let me take that up with DJ Vlad. You know, I do... I'm not convinced, actually, that it may not help her. You know, sometimes the shock of all this being talked about publicly in the way it now is... And the book isn't doing very well, by the way, just to, you know, that point Javier made is completely correct. People aren't really buying it. However, it could lead to her getting the help she needs. And I don't think that's an impossibility here. I think one thing that people... I don't know. Sorry, that was for DJ Vlad. Sorry, Tyler.

39:04Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a possibility that she could get some help, but she's been in the media for decades at this point and everything has been brought forward. And she's had lots of people that really care about her try to help. And she is where she is. I think the timing of the book based on the child support ending about a year ago, I think it is what it is. I think that speaks for itself. I think the money is right now. and he's looking for the book for another source of income. And that just is what it is. I don't think you can really talk your way out of that one. By the way, does he have a job?

39:37But possibly he'll get some help, possibly not. I'm not sure.

39:43Piers Morgan:Yeah, no, I think I don't disagree. The timing of the end of the payments and doing the book is probably not unconnected. I would also say if he's done pretty much 100 % of the parenting with these two boys for 18, 19 years, Do I begrudge him a bit of money now that they've left and the money's stopped coming in? Not particularly. You know, people are very, very quick to defend Brittany from being a pretty awful parent for a long period of time to those boys, right? So, you know, again, is there a double standard there because she's the woman, he's the man? If it was reversed... Well, he was...

40:20I'm sorry. What if it was a man...

40:22Piers Morgan:Let me paint a picture for you, Esther. If it was a male pop star who had embarked on a pretty catastrophically self-harming, sustained period of many years of drug abuse and alcohol abuse and so on, to the extent that he got no custody of his kids, would we be vilifying the woman who they were with, who brought up the kids because they weren't capable? I'm not sure we would in the same way. But that's not what we're vilifying Kevin for. We're vilifying him after receiving$40 ,000 a month, allegedly, for about 15 years. But why shouldn't he? He was bringing those... I'm playing devil's advocate, but why shouldn't he get paid?

41:01Piers Morgan:If she's worth$50 million, why shouldn't he get$40 ,000 a month to bring up their children? I'm not disputing that. If she's incapable. I'm not sure I blame him for that. They're now adults. He's gained as much money as he possibly can from raising the kids and from being her ex-husband. That's enough. He has four other kids to raise. Maybe he should focus on that and get a job. Because I think with$40 ,000 a month, he's probably got a pretty good nest egg if he's been sensible with his money. I think... Well, I doubt... To be honest, I mean, Javier, I'll bring you in here. I doubt that, actually.

41:32Piers Morgan:You know, it sounds a lot of money until as he laid out where it goes. You know, all this kind of money to regular people sounds obscene, right? So let's just start from that. People hear 40 grand a month, they think, this is ridiculous, these people are super rich or whatever. But actually, if they're used to a certain lifestyle with their mum and blah, blah, blah, then I can understand how this money fritters away quite quickly. the point is he might be he might be all the negative things that you're collectively saying but it might also be that without him those kids would have had a pretty awful life and I'm not sure you can put a price on that I do think he's probably been a pretty good father I do think that's clear from what people have said about the way he's brought up those children I'd be interested to talk to them actually and get their side of this but when he said that they just don't want to see their mum because when they've been this year It's so shocking.

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42:56Wayfair, every style, every home. Yeah, I think multiple things can be true at once. I don't doubt that he is a decent father. Like I said, I don't know too much about his parenting, but I will say that it's very justified that he was getting child support, especially if he had full custody. But what I don't respect is that he's made a full-time career out of being Britney's ex and that he continues to exploit it in this way. If he was working on something, working on more hustles, working on building a brand or a company or something for himself to sustain his life after the child support, then that's fine.

43:28Piers Morgan:But you know what, Javier, I would say watching that scene at The View, which I think is pretty shocking when you look back at it now, when you're the most hated guy in America and you're Britney Spears' ex-husband and the father of her two kids, there's no escaping that. You're that forever. That was like a century ago. He was branded the biggest rat. He was branded the biggest rat in America. everyone gleefully celebrating his demise and he's like i'm not sure how you ever come back from that everybody's hiring there nobody if kevin federlein was walking down the street right now nobody would be checking for him we all forgot about him until he started putting this book out there respectfully so it's like he could have went and developed a life for himself that did none of you are criticizing britney spears i noticed which i find fascinating if it was the other way around if it was a male pop star, if their behaviour was considered non-conducive to raising their kids at all, right?

44:24Piers Morgan:I don't think you'd be so hasty in condemning the partner who brings them up and not condemning the parent deemed unfit for parenting. I don't think that's what it is. She was feeling mentally unwell. She's had loads of mental health struggles. And she's really worked very hard to overcome them. In the period of her conservatorship, She released two albums. She had multiple Vegas residencies. She was on, I believe, America's Got Talent. She did a lot for herself, and she really tried to prove herself. And in the middle of that... But do you really know, Esther? Do you really know, I mean, if you were with those kids when they visited their mum this year, can you be 100 % certain about what you think they saw?

45:04We know one sign of her career that she took seriously was her career.

45:06Piers Morgan:I remember supporting the... And her family. I supported... Listen, I supported the Free Britney thing, actually. I thought she should have been released and given her freedom. But I now regret that support, actually. I think... The trouble is, I don't know any of these people, so I only took it at face value. But there's very little evidence to me that her life has been improved by the so-called freedom that she got from the end of the Conservativeship. In fact, the opposite. And if what Kevin Federline says is true, then maybe he is a loathsome little, you know, money-grabbing rat. Maybe he's all those things.

45:41Piers Morgan:But maybe he also genuinely cares that the mother of his two kids doesn't do something terrible. And he clearly feels that she's on the edge. Tyler. I think something that people don't discuss enough with this situation is when therapy and doctors and all those types of people are forced upon you for 15 years, and then all of a sudden you get your freedom back, there's no care plan to get you back on track. how do you trust the people that were turned against you and forced upon you for years? Brittany has spoken out about... I'm going to bring Brittany's direct voice into this. Brittany has spoken out directly about that for the past couple of years, about how therapy was forced upon her.

46:24So what do you do in that situation? This situation has never really happened before on such a grand scale.

46:31Piers Morgan:Well, you know, I think ultimately... We've got to bring this to a close. It's been an interesting debate. I think ultimately we all just want her to be OK. Britney Spears is one of the most iconic pop stars of my lifetime. And at her best, she was like this incredibly fresh-faced, innocent, fantastically high-energy dancer, singer, performer, incredible talent. And it's just desperately sad to see where she now is. And like I said again, when I hear that the boys don't even want to be around her, that's just incredibly sad and worrying. and I hope she gets the help. And if, perversely, it takes Kevin Federline's book and his media tour around it, albeit if he's feathering his nest, fine, criticise him for that, but if ultimately it does lead to her getting the help she needs because he keeps telling people how desperate the situation is, it could end up being a good thing for her.

47:24Piers Morgan:We'll see. We will see. Got to leave it there. Thank you all very much. Pittsburgh on a sense that is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.

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From the publisher

A quarter of a century on from her first global hit, Britney Spears remains one of the most talked-about celebrities in the world and one of the biggest stars of her generation.

And now her ex-husband and father of her two sons Kevin Federline has brought out a controversial new memoir, ‘You Thought You Knew.’

‘K-Fed’ says he’s releasing the book because it’s time to set the record straight after years of ‘the media, blogs, strangers and exes’ telling his story for him. But some critics have a different take, with one reviewer calling it a “vapid memoir” which “is just another means to kick Britney while she’s down.”

Kevin joins Piers Morgan to reveal ‘his truth’ - before Piers welcomes cultural commentators DJ Vlad, Xaviaer DuRousseau and Esther Krakue plus ‘Free Britney’ advocate Tyler Wells to give their reaction to the interview.

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