‘I’m Getting EMOTIONAL!” Gaza Debate + Megyn Kelly Says Charlie Kirk Proved RIGHT on Israel

21:48The Al-Solol Hospital is a great example of that, where they claimed over 500 Palestinians had been killed in an airstrike before Israel even went in there. Turns out it was a PIJ rocket that actually misfired and had gone down into that hospital parking lot. Didn't even kill anywhere over a dozen, right? But you had a lot of vehicles that were burned, et cetera. That is the type of narrative shaping that's been taking place, that's been going on over inside of them. But you also have, you also have, yeah, but I would say, let me bring Dave back in.

22:13Piers Morgan:I mean, I would say the tactic that the Israelis have used, and the IDF in particular, is whenever there's been any suggestion of a war crime or atrocity, they simply say we're going to launch an inquiry and then we never hear any more about it. Hardly any of these inquiries ever come back with any public statement to say we've actually decided we got it wrong, right? Very occasionally when it's incontrovertible. But otherwise, they just obfuscate, they threaten legal action. Netanyahu responds to every allegation against him by saying, I'm suing, he never actually seems to, and so on. So it's a tactic they're doing, right?

22:46Piers Morgan:They're not the only ones who've done this in times of war, but they do it very, very regularly. I guess my question for you, Dave, is slightly different to what I pose to Matt, which is, you know, Matt looks at this from a military perspective and he raises an interesting question, which is when you have terrorists living amongst a civilian population in urban terrain, whether it's in Gaza or it's in southern Lebanon, wherever it may be, you know, what is the way to get them, right? Donald Trump, I felt, when he came out and said, you don't have to blow up whole apartment blocks to kill out one Hamas terrorist, right?

23:21Piers Morgan:That, to me, is the point, is you don't wreck everything to get the single bad guys. And that seems to be the big strategic mistake that they've made, the Israelis. They've gone way too big, way too, you know, have they deliberately targeted children? There are many people who claim they have. I would simply say they've shown a callous indifference for the deaths of children. A callous indifference. They will always frame it as there was a terrorist in the school, so we blew the school up. All right, 50 kids died, 50 kids died. That's not on us, it's on Hamas. That's what they say. And I absolutely take Matt's point that 20 ,000 kids have been kidnapped in Ukraine.

24:02Piers Morgan:And it's disgusting. And it is genocidal. And it's appalling. And it hasn't had as much attention, if I'm honest, about what's happened in Gaza. So I take that point. But for you, Dave, when you look at it, when you're Israel and you're feeling like you've got this border coming at you from Lebanon, you've got Hamas coming at you from Gaza, maybe the Houthis getting involved, you've got these constant rockets being fired, constant threats and so on, and the people doing it are living in urban areas amongst civilians, what do they do? Yeah. Well, OK, so a bunch of things there. Number one, I would just first and foremost point out, and I think this is part of the reason, man, why this just isn't selling.

24:42And I understand that we could probably all, I guess, agree that Israel's PR effort has been awful. But I also think that this attempt is not doing any better. I don't think that if your argument had been made by every single Israeli leader that the PR campaign would have gone any different. And it's simply because, look, even when you directly get asked about Smotrich and Ben Gavir, you got to just basically immediately say, yeah, I don't agree with them. Let's talk about the Moss Charter. Let's talk about what's going on in Russia. Let's talk about everything else except for that. But the point is that you got like these genocidal maniacs in like the number two and three post in the Israeli government and their policies are being implemented.

25:20So it's not enough to just go, yeah, yeah, yeah. It sure is annoying that Hitler and Goebbels occupy the number two and number three post, but I don't really agree with them. Anyway, now let me get back to how I defend the government doing the things that those guys want to be done. And I'm sorry, Pierce, but the asymmetry between the situation between Ukraine and Russia and Israel-Gaza is obvious. The debate over the war in Ukraine was always a debate over whether or not our tax dollars should be backing up Ukraine, with you taking the positive and me taking the negative on that debate. But there was never a debate over whether we should support what Vladimir Putin is doing.

25:57Obviously, none of us support that. And so, of course, it makes perfect sense that the discussion in the West would be much more focused on atrocities being committed that could only be committed because the West is propping Israel up, specifically the United States when it comes to Israel. So, of course, it makes every bit of sense that we would just judge these things in a different way. But I'm sorry, I don't want to move off the topic. The reason why everybody's talking about Gaza is because of the humanitarian catastrophe that those pictures that Pierce showed at the beginning demonstrated.

26:27And I'm sorry, but like everybody, like everybody on the other side, you guys all love to bring up what the Iranian leaders chant. You all love to bring up what Vladimir Putin says when it favors you. But so why don't we get to like if we go by that standard, then Israel is committing a genocide. Their leaders have been saying it the entire time.

26:47Piers Morgan:Yeah, Matt, final word to you. Look, you know, people, I've not used the word genocide simply for one reason, actually, which is although the international criminal courts have brought actions against individuals for waging genocide, they've never done it successfully against a state or country. And I think it's important to remind ourselves of that. People may think they should have done, that the ICJ has never convicted a state or country of waging a genocide, right? And that's despite places like Rwanda, where many, many, obviously, more people were slaughtered. So you've got to look at this in, I think, context of other situations around the world going back many decades.

27:28Piers Morgan:And that's the reason I've held off. I find it impossible to avoid the charge against Israel of ethnic cleansing. I think that Smodrich and Ben-Givir, people try and downplay their involvement or influence, they are, as Dave said, very senior members of his government. And they talk openly about wanting to ethically cleanse the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. And, you know, when it comes to the war crimes that Israel may or may not have committed, and whether it's genocide or ethnic cleansing or whether it's individuals perpetrating or ordering war crimes, You know, the best way to find out, actually, what's really gone on is for Netanyahu to lift this ridiculous ban, an unjustified ban on the media, let international war correspondents go in and let's find out.

28:14Piers Morgan:Can you, at least on that point, concede that we should all be in agreement about that? Absolutely. I mean, personally, again, like I told you, I was begging to be able to go in there last year, like pack plenty of stuff to make sure I could go in and just, you know, go to town. I was going to stay out there as long as humanly possible. But again, banned, right? Like, can't go do it. I was allowed into a distribution site and a distribution site alone. And I can tell you driving through Rafa, yeah, it looks just like the imagery. Like, the whole place is leveled, right? But as we talk about this and we look at it, the real question, what we need to be asking is, what is the way forward?

28:47You and I can disagree on the principles and the way to go about it. But if we look at what's actually taking place inside Gaza, we look at the humanitarian issue that we have inside there. We have a lot of different problems that need to be solved, particularly the extremism portion of it. You have a vast majority of the population in an area of the city the size of Las Vegas that started off with over 40 ,000 terrorists, a quarter of the population supporting them, and over 70 % of them agreeing that October 7th was justified, and over 85 % of them who've watched the videos and said that there wasn't any sort of atrocities that were committed.

29:21That's a very real issue. That's a very real issue. Even if the war ended today, if Hamas turned over their weapons, you still have an environment that's just ripe for more extremism to come out. And unless we want to see this again in the future, we need to figure out how to solve that problem.

29:36Piers Morgan:Okay. We're going to leave it there. Interesting debate. And I appreciate the respectful way you conducted it. Thank you both very much. Thanks. Thank you. Well, tomorrow on Uncensored, an extraordinary and revealing interview with the man who is mediating two of the biggest crises in the world, the prime minister of Qatar, exclusive on Uncensored. What is the truth about your relationship, Qatar and Hamas? I mean, this has been the accusation forever. We reject the whole thing. Would it be easier for you if the president cooled his jets on social media? Much easier for us if there is no media at all.

30:13Piers Morgan:There's been no sign of the new Supreme Leader. Have you had any direct contact with him? Is he definitely alive? Netanyahu has crossed the line like he has crossed other lines. Do you think he's a war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu? Joining me now is Megyn Kelly, host of The Megyn Kelly Show. Megyn, how are you? I'm great. How are you, Piers? Well, it's been a long week, I've got to be honest with you, last week with the Earl Spencer shenanigans. I know you've been very supportive over. Thank you very much. What do you make of it? I see he's been all over the US television this morning, on with Gayle King, revealing that he told, he'd found someone he told about these incendiary comments about then Prince Charles, now King Charles, the stuff about we'll forget about her soon.

31:02Piers Morgan:He says he told Barbara Walters, who of course is no longer alive and therefore cannot confirm or deny either way. You know, methinks the Earl is struggling here over credibility. I've been telling people that I'm 5 '9 for many, many years, and that doesn't make it true. At my peak, I was 5 '7, but I'm going down by the minute, it feels. Who cares? Who cares whether he told somebody that? He hasn't liked then Prince, now King Charles, ever. And I'm sure he has been lying about him for years. So I don't know that this is a lie, but I know somebody who knows him with whom I've been in contact. And this person told me directly that he is known, Carlos Spencer, for exaggerating and telling stories over and over with different details added or subtracted, depending on the audience.

31:58And wasn't sure whether it was a memory problem or whether he just enjoys embellishing stories. But either way, I think there's some serious credibility problems. And the thing that he said about you is just absolutely devastating to his case that he be taken seriously. You know, it reminds me of the jury instruction we would get when we closed out trials, which is, you know, false in one thing, false in all. You can tell a jury that directly. They're allowed to conclude if I caught you in one lie, then I'm allowed to disbelieve all of what you're saying. and clearly, at best, what he wrote about you was incredibly recklessly false.

32:38So, I mean, he approached it in a way. What was really interesting, actually?

32:40Piers Morgan:I assumed. Yeah, what was really interesting was two things about it, because there are several references to me in the book. But one is over two pages, and it's this claim he makes, I was editor of The Mirror in 1993, one of the big papers, obviously, in the UK. In 1993, when they published these now infamous pictures of Princess Diana working out in a gym, It was a big invasion of her privacy. She sued. She got a million pounds in damages back in the 90s. So this was a big deal. This actually, to this day, remains the biggest payout in damages against any media entity ever awarded on behalf of the royal family.

33:15Piers Morgan:So this is not a small thing. And over two pages, he outlines how I was the editor of the paper. I ordered my press people to get out and boast about rising circulation figures off the back of this invasion of privacy, and so on and so on and so on. Now, that was easily disprovable because all I had to do was Google to remind myself that I joined the Mirror in late 95, two years after these pictures were published. So it's a prima facie defamatory lie. And I immediately got my lawyers onto his people. He rushed out an immediate panicky apology, but has refused to withdraw the copies from sale.

33:52Piers Morgan:And my argument, through my lawyers, back to his, is every copy you still sell with this defamatory lie in it is going to cost you more money in the long run. And I don't want the money for myself. It's all going to go to the King's Trust, which is King Charles' charity. But I find it extraordinary that he bills himself as his great historian. I'm a historian. That's why I'm doing this. Historical record, a tribute to my sisters. Everything I say about Prince Charles at the time is true because I'm a historian. And yet there he is, over two pages, accusing me of something which is historically, provably, complete bullshit.

34:29Piers Morgan:Now, to compound it, he then says that the reason why when he rang all the tabloid editors after Diana died to uninvite us from her funeral, because we'd all been formally invited, and he did ring us, and I remember the call very clearly, He says that the reason I was, as he put it, snarly with him and rude and offhand when he rang me was because of the guilt I felt over what I did to his sister in 1993. So it's all interwoven. Now, the relevance, Megan, of that call that I had with him is it was in the same week that he had the call with Prince Charles, where Charles supposedly said, we'll forget about her soon, and where he sounded as giddy with excitement as a lottery winner.

35:13Piers Morgan:neither of which I can ever imagine Prince Charles saying. So it goes to the heart of his memory and his credibility. And the reason I'm so sure, I wrote my own book in diary form, and it came out in 2005, and if you go and read it, you'll find an entry about that phone call we had where it shows the enormous respect I gave him in that call, even extending my condolences to his family, to his mother, who I knew well, and so on. So I've got him, as we say in England, by the short and curly. And yet he's got this book still flying out the bookshelves, presumably, all around the world with this whopper in it.

35:51He really needs to be careful because we took a look at this last week in connection with your story, Piers, just to see because it would be really extraordinary here in the United States for them to pull a book off the shelves because of a suit or a threat of a suit around defamation. And in the UK, it's not unusual at all. I mean, we found just in a simple Google search about eight to 10 incidents in which it's been done in many cases under far less persuasive circumstances than this. So he's really in a bit of a pickle here, which is why I think he changed it to he's trying to minimize it down to the only thing that was wrong was I misstated the date that Pierce was in this position as editor of the Daily Mirror.

36:36But, you know, all everything else is correct because he's trying to just say it was a minor date. But the minor date actually goes right to the heart of what he's alleging about you. What is like me saying? It's like me saying Earl Spencer. With despicable responsibility.

36:49Piers Morgan:Yeah, it's like saying, you know, Earl Spencer, somebody murdered someone in his house. And although he didn't live there for another 100 years, he did it. He did it. And then when you get caught, you say, well, actually, it's just a small technicality. I got the date wrong. It's just a date. No, you were keeping somebody with an egregious crime. Yeah. No, exactly. And you can see this light of hand, quite obviously. And his explanation for why he did it was, well, I just assumed. I assumed these things. Well, that doesn't help you in defamatory land. Also, how many historians? What you need is a false statement that maligns somebody unfairly.

37:23Piers Morgan:How many historians use the word I assumed when they're fact-checking? Well, what's amazing is clearly he did none. I mean, clearly there was no fact-check. As you point out, it was a simple Google search that would take you about 30 seconds, not to mention his editors. You know, I mean, I realize we just went through this over here with a so-called memoir that was written by a woman who said she got recovered memories. And when a bunch of things came out that looked very untrue, they just said, oh, well, we don't really fact check these editors anymore. So I guess it's all up to him and his historian.

37:57I mean, maybe his research assistant is ChatGPT because that one, I think, also verified the last name like Hunter Butts as being the last person to get a presidential pardon. and the View ladies were humiliated by it. That seems like his research assistant.

38:13Piers Morgan:But, you know, they wouldn't have had to look very far, Penguin, his publishers, because they published my diaries back in 2005. I'm in their vaults, literally. Go and check my diaries and you'll see I didn't join the Mirror for two more years. It's unbelievable. Talking of unbelievable, there's been a lot bubbling around about, obviously, the Iran war, about Netanyahu in New York for the UN, and we'll come to that. But these pretty extraordinary, shocking images that have come out from Google Earth, showing for the first time the scale of devastation in Gaza. And it is shocking. I mean, anyone who looks at this and compares what we see on the left, which was what it was like before October 7th, and what we see now on the right, you know, you read that 70 % of Gaza has been destroyed.

39:03But when you see it, it is extraordinary.

39:05Piers Morgan:And it comes against the backdrop of Netanyahu being accused now by several different sources and newspapers of being warned in advance about October the 7th by the president of UAE and also by Egypt, it now is alleged. What do you make of all this, Megan? First, what we're seeing with our own eyes for the first time here. Secondly, where this all leaves Netanyahu, given he may have been warned, he may have done nothing about it, and so on. You know, I can't help but think of Charlie Kirk when I see this. Because Charlie Kirk, when he first heard about 10-7, and there was no bigger Israel supporter, the very first thing he said he was on a podcast was, it seems like they would have had to know.

39:54like the Israelis would have had to know because, you know, their their commandos are just so incredibly talented and their intel is second to none. And he took so much guff for saying that back here from people who didn't know Charlie and didn't understand Charlie. He's just thinking like he was just this, you know, irresponsible shit stirrer. That's not exactly that's not at all what was happening. It was Charlie understanding how good the Israelis are and intel and defense and calculating there would only be one way that this could ever happen to Israel. And they would have had to have made a strategic decision, in his view, to allow it.

40:31And I think the thing you just showed on screen right is probably what he was thinking, right, that they could finally get to eradicate all of Gaza. I mean, yes, all of Hamas, but that would mean most Palestinians too, or many. And his instincts, Piers, I think are being backed up right now by these multiple reports that Netanyahu was warned. Now, he denies them, but if he was warned, why wouldn't he have said anything? Because in these same reports, we're getting top Israeli officials saying, he didn't tell me. I wasn't told, I wasn't told, I wasn't told. So it was either he decided to discard the intelligence, which, according to these reports, that the UAE and Egypt went to great lengths to get to him.

41:16I mean, it wasn't like some, hey, by the way, we're getting a little chatter. It was, you know, a special trip to Israel just for this and on the ground for only 56 minutes just to make sure he knew this was going to happen. And the next logical conclusion would obviously be because he saw a strategic advantage in allowing an attack as the permission slip for Israel to finally get rid of a terrorist group that has been attacking it for years, Hamas, and then some. And that's really where Israel and Netanyahu got in such trouble on the international scale all over the world now as people look at this and say, how do I not call it a genocide?

41:54How do I look at it and defend it? Please walk me through how I defend what looks like carpet bombing on screen, right? And, you know, Netanyahu is going to have to deal with that as an electoral matter. And Israel is dealing with it on a geopolitical level.

42:09Piers Morgan:And we're going to see, obviously, you know, potentially he could get thrown out of office in his election in Israel in the next few weeks. You could also see a massive kickback against President Trump in the midterms in America as a consequence of the war against Iran and all the upheaval that has caused to gas prices, inflation of foods and so on. You know, you can see a direct line here from that one decision on February the 28th, now costing the Republicans the House and potentially the Senate. And with that comes a kind of presidential paralysis for Trump. It's actually very sad because President Trump, while he couldn't get a lot of legislation through, because as a reality here in America, you need 60 senators now to get legislation passed.

42:59That's the number to get a vote on anything in the U.S. Senate. And they only have 53. He was accomplishing a fair amount via executive order. And yes, it's only temporary. But look, the border being closed by executive order is a win. Things along those lines. And then came the Iran war. And now we've gone from that. That was just February. Now, here we are, September, and you've got several GOP Senate candidates and others running for office. And, you know, about 30 days from now, 35 days or so, their elections come distancing themselves from President Trump. That that's brand new to have it so widespread.

43:36People don't want to mention him. There was just a study done, Piers, on podcasters and cable news steering away from mentions, right wingers, mentions of President Trump because people are turned off. People are upset by him, even his fans. The Wall Street Journal just had a report today showing that 11 percent of the people who voted for Trump and identify as Republicans have now said that they regret their vote. There's just there's a lower approval rating for President Trump than at ever at any point. In fact, for any sitting president going into the midterms in decades. And so all of this spells potential disaster for the GOP come November.

44:18And instead of dealing with this reality, what we're getting is like snarky tweets from his top advisers to reporters like Mark Halperin, who's trying to honestly report on this and sound the alarm. Um, if the Democrats win not only the House, but also the Senate, um, it's going to be, you know, a complete game changer in Washington. We are in for two years of not just every single legislative initiative being blocked, but investigation Rama. And then the map doesn't get any better next time around. Now, like if we have a strong democratic candidate actually running for the White House, that will only help their chances in improving those numbers.

44:57God forbid they get up to 60. I mean, if they get a filibuster-proof majority in the U.S. Senate in, you know, the next two election cycles, the country will never be the same again. So all of this is very serious, and it is directly linked to that decision on February 28th, which I believe, even though the president says differently, he would do differently if he had to do over again. He would not, he would not have gone into Iran.

45:20Piers Morgan:He's been misled. No, I just think no chance. I think he was persuaded that it could all work by Netanyahu, and I think he realised quite quickly it wasn't going to go the way Netanyahu said it was. And now he's trying to get out, but it's very hard to get an off-ramp when your enemy, Iran, constantly gets told, we're going to annihilate you, and they know they've got the Strait of Hormuz under their control, which can be as effective as a nuclear bomb. The whole thing is a massive... And they're watching those poll numbers, and they know they've got him by the same thing you say in the UK. Exactly.

45:53Piers Morgan:I just want to end on a slightly lighter note, although it caused me some horror when I saw it. Madonna at the VMAs. I don't know if you've seen this, Megan, but let's watch a little different. Oh, I've seen it. First of all, I just want to get this thing out of my ass. Just, it's been in here all night. Anyways, now I can party in the park. I'm kind of unclear what this award is for. I guess it's for the short film. Wait, hold on. it's uh confessions to the film okay your face horrified you know my parents used to run my parents used to run a country pub and this reminded me of the scene at closing time at 11 o 'clock on a friday night when some of the locals would have had a little too much cider and that was then the result but she's crossed over you know madonna used to be somebody if you went to such a pub you'd bring her front and center and you'd hope everybody sees you.

46:54Now she's the person you'd meet there at 4 a.m. in the back dark corner, hoping to get like an hour at the local motel. I'm really hoping that when I hit 68, you and I are the same age, so we've got a ways to go. Thank God. I really hope when I hit 68, my sex appeal is not the thing that I consider to be my calling card. I really hope at that point I can look great for my age, that I can age somewhat gracefully. I mean, I'm going to fight it a little. I'm not going to completely lay down to it. But I am not going to prance around half naked, pretending I'm shooting lasers out of my ass. And that's something that's exciting or sexy or understandable in any way.

47:35I'm looking for people's approval. I hope I have more confidence. I'm also you can take me to the bank on this. Piers, you will be my conscience on this will not have lips like Mr. Potato Head that cover half of my face to where you can no longer even speak. I don't know why women are obsessed with doing this to themselves. Like the upper lip thing that Kim Kardashian did through surgery or however the hell she did it has spread in a way that's very damaging for women. Same as the ass because Madonna definitely looks like she's had ass implants. I think they happened actually a few years ago. Last night, she added extra padding to it.

48:14I mean, in my day, we used to call that eat, eating, go eat and you will get a bigger ass or go to the gym. But you don't need a surgeon. You don't need a bunch of like, you know, pads back there. And then you don't need to lie on the stage as though you're giving birth and literally have lasers shooting out of your rectum. How is this hot?

48:36Piers Morgan:You know, somebody asked Grok on X today what I should do to myself to be more like clavicular, who's obviously now actually facing some quite serious charges, but is this lux-maxing kind of influencer. And Grok came up with a series of things that I ought to consider doing to myself, you know, chiselling my cheekbones, all this kind of thing. And I replied, there's one word you're missing here, natural. This is what God intended me to look like. This is au naturel, and I'm comfortable with that. Because when I see what these people do to themselves, I would rather shoot myself than look like that.

49:13And the thing is, it's like, even if you do all the work, you know, Madonna's clearly had some facelifts. And by the way, the way you can tell is a woman can't really do anything about this area here. Like a facelift or whatever. You can always see, you can see on Dolly Parton, and you can see on Madonna last night. And so she's clearly had some facelifts, I think, at least one. So they look like a little pulled and prodded and less wrinkly than your average 68 year old, but they do still look in their late 60s. That is the like secret reveal about all these surgeries. It's like, I hate to break it to you.

49:51You're going to look a little bit more like prodded and pulled, but you're still going to look generally around your age. So like better to let yourself get a few lines, get a little sad. You don't have to surrender all the way, but stop trying to look 38 when you're 68 because it only translates to sad.

50:09Piers Morgan:You know, the problem, Megan, is they just cannot be as naturally hot as we are, much as they would like to be. Next life. Next life. What they need is the stress and cynicism of 30 years in news. Yes. Megan, great to talk to you. Thank you very much. You too, Piers. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free.

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