'I’m NOT Apologizing!' Clavicular FULL Interview With Piers Morgan

0:00You survived the Miami weekend, nailed the speech, and maxed out your credit card in the name of friendship. Now you've got one hangover, four pastel dresses, and zero reasons to wear them again. Sell them on Depop. Just snap a few photos and we'll take care of the rest. And you at least get some of your dignity, money, back. Someone on Depop wants what you've got. Start selling now. Depop. Where taste recognizes taste. What do I call you? I usually just go by Clav, if you want to keep it chill. Clav, let's keep it chill. You're with the number one looks maxer. You know, maybe some of it could be attributed to charisma, to generational run.

0:42Would not have been possible without the looks. You mentioned your charisma. What another phrase is, jester maxing. Self-deprecating humor, you know, someone cracking an egg on their head and saying, oh, look at me, I'm such an idiot, or something in front of girls. I might argue that I'm mogging you right now. Go for it. Him never having sex with a woman, you were trying to make him look bad. All I said to you was, do you think you'd be less intense about everything if you just got laid? I was doing a bit of jester maxing. You were in a van singing along to Heil Hitler. Do you regret doing that?

1:19Every so often there's a trend or a craze which makes many reasonable people want to turn off the internet, possibly forever and live in a deserted barn. And my cortisol certainly spiked. What I read very recently about looks maxing, it's the catch-all term for a male-only regimen of intensive grooming for the purposes of maximizing, in their view, physical attractiveness. Measures may include fillers, facial implants, tongue exercises, or even smashing in your own face, breaking bones to make it look more chiseled. Well, Brayden Peters, better known as Clavicular, is the world-leading looks-maxer.

1:58He was recently profiled in the New York Times, no less, and he joins me now. Clavicular, welcome to Uncensored. Thanks for having me, Piers. Do you like me to call Brayden Clavicular? Clavicular? What do I call you? I usually just go by Clav, if you want to keep it chill. Clav, let's keep it chill. um so i want to start with a clip this is you talking to andrew tate actually about the prospect of being interviewed by me do you have any advice for club on facing dears morgan uh dears he's uh he's not a snake because he doesn't stab you in the back he stabs you directly in the chest so he's going to go to war with you but you know that yeah let's keep it cool It's going to come for you.

2:48It's going to interrupt you, try and frustrate you, all this bullshit. That's perfect for me. I never... Yeah, I think... Yeah, I think media up here is all these people. They all have a lot more power four or five years. Now, Clav, what I found kind of a bit mystifying about that was, A, that you would be a bit panicky about being interviewed by me because you seem a confident young man. And secondly, you take any advice from Andrew Tate because by definition of what he does and the way he conducts himself, interviews with him are always quite full-on, quite confrontational, and so on. I'm struggling, having researched you and your life and what you've built for yourself.

3:31I don't really see that you're the same kind of character. I'm going to come to the night that you had with him and Nick Fuentes and his other guys. But you've been positioned with them all as a kind of right-wing headbanger online and so on. I'm not entirely sure that's who you are. So we'll come to why that's happened. But why were you slightly apprehensive about doing this? Well, you know, it's just like he said. I think you've run a lot of hit pieces on people. You know, I don't think your production team is fully honest about, you know, sort of why you want to do these interviews. And I think you like to catch people, you know, kind of off guard and make them look bad.

4:14But I don't think you're going to be as hostile towards me Because like you said, I'm really not a political figure This is kind of something new that we're discussing We're discussing something that's more along the lines of self-improvement That's kind of like a new philosophy I haven't really seen anywhere on the internet before Yeah, I mean look, in relation to what you just said about what I do I would take issue with that As I would with all the people I suppose you're referring to because I don't set out to be overtly confrontational. I certainly don't set out to gotcha these people, whether it's Andrew Tate, Nick Quentis or whatever.

4:51What I tend to do is, when they're people who deliberately say inflammatory things, I tend to put those comments back to them. We do our research. The production team that you've slightly maligned there will do a very thorough professional job, and I will put back to them their own words. Now, I will then challenge them about why they said it, the context in which they said it, do they mean it, do they really hold these inflammatory views, or are they just winding people up, and so on. But that is the job of a journalist. That's why you and I are different people. We're different animals. I'm a different animal to Fuentes and Tate and the others.

5:31They're kind of influencers-struck commentators, and you're in that category, I guess, without much of the commentary, you're a different kind of person. But my job when I interview people like you is just to get to the bottom of who you are, what you stand for, stuff you've done, stuff you've said. Why would you automatically assume that is a kind of gotcha mechanism? Well, I just assume that because that's kind of, you know, historically what I've seen, right? That's just based off my own experiences. So you've watched my interviews and think I try and trap people. I think so. I think you deliberately try to make people look bad.

6:13Usually people on the fringe of the right wing, but like I said before, as long as you haven't automatically aligned me there, maybe we'll be able to have a good interview that's not just you looking for gotcha clips. No, listen, I've got no desire to just look for a gotcha clip. I can promise you that. I don't think I've said that with other people. Yeah, I don't think challenging people on what's come out of their own mouths is ever a gotcha in relation to the other people you're talking about. They can get quite lively, those interviews, because people tend to not be challenged like that. In the world that you swim in, it's rare that people like Nick Fuentes or Andrew Tate or others like that, Sneeko and others, that they get directly challenged about what they've said and they find it a little bit unusual.

7:08and sometimes a bit unsettling. But the clips that go out, I often think, I see the reaction to them. I'm like, really, you think that I just sit here and I just want to trap people when all I'm doing is repeating back to them what they've said? I don't think that's a trap. That's just holding people accountable for their own outpourings, right? Which is, like in your case, this is why I'm slightly mystified why you get boxed in with these guys because I don't see much of a track record of you saying inflammatory right-wing things. Yeah, I'd agree with you there. I would say sort of people don't really know how to handle my ideology.

7:48So they want to figure out which political camp I'm a part of so desperately. So there's kind of a struggle to loop me into specific groups. But it's like I always say, politics are jester. It's not something that I want to involve myself in. It's not something I want to talk about because I just simply don't care. You know, my main pursuit is that of aesthetics and improving my looks to the maximum degree, you know, using every single mechanism available to me. So the fact that that's become a political phenomenon just really doesn't make sense to me at all. You've done pretty much everything in terms of aesthetics to make yourself look perfect, right?

8:30This is your ambition. I've done absolutely nothing. I don't even moisturize my face. I've never had any plastic surgery, never had any Botox, never taken any enhancing drugs, nothing. This is me the way God intended. Do you think when you look at the pair of us that you are more aesthetically appealing than me um i don't really think it's necessary or beneficial to anyone to sort of you know do some comparison um you know in our looks level because while most of it can be attributed to self-improvement there is a big genetic role so you know my entire ideology is more so about improving, not really about comparison too much.

9:23But my argument about that, just generally about the whole self-improvement boom of the last 20 years, is a lot of people that go down that path end up looking worse than they did to start with. And actually, the best way to look good is not to go down the path of relentless self-improvement, to trust what you were given by the good Lord, and to avoid doing too much to yourself. I see so many people, particularly in entertainment, who've just ruined themselves, ruined their faces in the pursuit of what they perceive to be aesthetic perfection. Well, that's because they don't know what they're doing.

10:04A lot of them are opting to go with things like filler and Botox, which can, like you said, lead to these botch jobs. You look at guys like Zac Efron, who have tons of filler in their face and it starts to migrate. It's just not a look that anyone should be pursuing. But looks maxing can be as simple as losing weight, right? So even going on a diet, which I'm sure is something that you've done previously, is part of looks maxing. It's not just these super intensive plastic surgeries or these cosmetic procedures. It's just anything that's going to improve your looks. Well, I've never been on a diet, one.

10:44Secondly, I have recently lost five kilograms because I managed to break my femur and have a hip replacement. And so I've not been drinking and I've been eating quite healthily. And it's amazing the way it just drops off. So I'm somebody who likes to drink. Well, it's not a diet. It's an enforced regime that's come about through an injury. So a diet is a... That's ridiculous, man. That's literally a diet. Well, no, it's not, because a diet is a voluntary regime you go into for no other reason than you want to lose weight. I went into an involuntary regime forced upon me by circumstance of a fracture.

11:25It doesn't matter how it's forced upon you. Well, it actually does. One is voluntary. No, it doesn't matter if it's voluntary or not. It's a deviation from your normal routine, right? Whether or not you're forced to be in a caloric deficit or not, it's still a diet. Regardless, it doesn't really matter. You've done a calorie deficit before. That can be something that's considered lux maxing. By definition, Pierce, you are a lux maxer. You're just someone who is on the surface level of it. I'm saying that in such a competitive dating market, you might need to take it a step further and sort of maybe utilize some peptides, maybe get a little bit leaner than your current body fat percentage.

12:11That's kind of all I'm saying. Right, but I mean, I might argue that I'm mogging you right now. Okay, well, you know, that's a fair perspective. Go for it. For those who don't know what I just said, what does mogging mean? uh basically outshining someone looking better than them and there's different types of mogs right there's uh status mogs there's you know money mogs so you know you might have me in those categories but I think we need to add in a little bit of nuance that it's not a uh a looks mog you know you you would say that you have the edge over me in looks mogging i i think i might have you by just a small margin i don't know but that could be attributed to youth you know so yeah but youth is back in the day youth a lot a lot of women find the older dude a lot of women find the older dude more appealing than the young pimply youth you know well you know absolutely but i would say for the most part uh looks are an extremely objective thing.

13:23And that's sort of what I'm trying to, you know, push people towards realizing is that, well, you might not know these facial ratios that make someone attractive and harmonious or not. They're subconscious, right? And everyone is judging you based off of them. And it's not something that's within anyone's control. So simply being able to identify them and improve upon them is a very beneficial thing. okay well let's have a look at you before you started all this and we'll compare to what you look like now so there's the before and after um what age were you in the before picture can you see that where you are yeah i would have been i would have been 16 years old and the one on the the one on the right is you what are you now you're 20 yeah so you've been that would have been when I was 19, I believe.

14:18Okay, so you've been through a big physical transformation, that's clear. Your face has changed dramatically. So what have you done to your face to look max yourself? It's a lot of pharmaceutical intervention, especially during puberty, right? So this is going to be the time where it's most important for people to optimize sort of their growth mechanisms and their growth pathways. And a few of the ways I did this is with exogenous hormones like testosterone, like human growth hormone. I did things like block aromatase, which is testosterone converting into estrogen so that I would actually grow taller.

14:59So there's plenty of different mechanisms that I leverage to sort of masculinize myself a little more and to become a little bit bigger. So, you know, it would just take me so long to go through every little step that I took to Luxmax. Okay, but then there's a harder degree called hard maxing, which is my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because this is your lingo, not mine, which is often surgical or invasive methods to alter appearance, fillers, implants, plastic surgery. So a more dramatic way to use surgical enhancement. Is that accurate? That's accurate. Yes.

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16:35Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit BotoxChronicMigraine.com, or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. Have you done much hard maxing to yourself? Well, a lot of people consider anabolic steroids to be within the hard maxing category, and I've done things like Botox. But in terms of like actual surgical osteotomies, rhinoplasties, I haven't done that. It's just more so about pharmacology. Have you partaken in mewing, a technique involving specific tongue posture to improve your jawline structure? I have participated in mewing. And the whole idea behind mewing is that it should be your natural tongue position, right?

17:23That basically means that your palate has enough space to accommodate your tongue and that you've got proper development. And this also is going to help you with focusing on nose breathing, which during your development is one of the key things for Luxmax. There's not much you can do after you've already developed improperly, but mewing is going to be one of those things that's absolutely required during the youth. Where do you come up with these phrases? I mean, I've got two cats, two Burmese cats. they they mew they meow that's what i perceive to be mewing where do you get this lingo from so a lot of the lingo comes from forums over the years um this was a very niche part of the internet for a while and this was one of the techniques from uh dr mike mew that that became very popular i would say that this is kind of just like the most surface level form of looks maxing that's sort of been known throughout internet spaces since really about 2016, I would say.

18:28But the more hardcore forms of Luxmaxing weren't really discovered and weren't really in the mainstream until a little bit later on. See, people watching this, you've never heard of, you go, why are you giving all this airtime to this guy? It's all quite interesting, but what's special about you, right? And I would argue the reason the New York Times did a big profile on you, is that you're now making, it is reported, at least$100 ,000 a month from your daily stream, which often involves hours and hours of you just streaming whatever you're up to. And I presume you'll include your impressions of how our interview goes, for example.

19:06It is fascinating to me that someone like you at your age can come and become a millionaire, really by just using a load of phraseology combined with, I guess, self-improvement, nothing new about self-improvement, but you're combining the two and what people, young people perceive to be a cool way, which you have tapped into, which is very lucrative. That is why you're interesting, right? Yeah, I would say so. And I don't really think it comes down to the finances. That's sort of something that has been, you know, really pushed in the media for some reason. But I don't think that social media money in this day and age should really be that surprising to people.

19:50I think there's content creators who are a lot better off than me financially. So I'm kind of just shocked that people cared about that headline so much. And the thing is, Piers, simply what I'm saying is my life is kind of on a one-to-one linear timeline with my exact ideologies that improving your looks is going to have a direct correlation with improvement in your life, right? So sort of as soon as I started really ascending and really getting into those high percentile looks, look at what happened to my life, right? I became that millionaire. I became famous. And a lot of things just started going really well for me.

20:27Who knows if this would have happened if I were, you know, in the lower percentiles of looks, you know maybe some of it could be attributed to charisma to my personality and uniqueness but i would say for the most part this wouldn't be possible this generational run as they like to say would not have been possible without the looks you mentioned your charisma what another phrase is jester maxing the act of using humor clowning or absurd behavior to gain attention from women uh i mean that's just chatting them up isn't it and having the old gift of the gab uh no i think jester maxing is its own category right being funny uh being you know that's not necessarily jester maxing i would say that jester maxing um a lot of the times it's like that kind of self-deprecating humor uh like you know someone cracking an egg on their head or something like that and saying oh look at me i'm such an idiot or something in front of girls so it's its own very unique thing uh just being a clown and you know stuff like that i think everyone knows a jester when they see it and sort of once you know this terminology you're going to be able to use it in your day to day life quite perfectly have you managed to seduce many women by cracking eggs on yourself no I have not yeah I'm not entirely convinced jester maxing is the way to go slay maxing no no no I'm anti jester maxing yeah oh you're anti yeah jester maxing is a very deep term Yes, no, I agree with you.

22:02I got it. Jester maxing is a... I'm sorry. I've got my... I've got this wrong around. So jester maxing is an insult. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know. The last thing you want to do is be a jester. Very last thing. Got it. Slay maxing, that means to have sex, right? Yeah, absolutely. What's the significance of using the word slay? uh slay is just uh sort of a term that we use on the forums um for you know having sex with a girl because a lot of people would directly correlate success in their ascension with um success with females right so getting a slay was sort of like the ultimate pursuit for looks maxers i think it goes a whole lot deeper than this i think a lot of it uh and the reasoning that you should looks max is just overall quality of life stuff but you know improvements in the whole dating scene uh is certainly something that we've seen so that's kind of just placing like a value or you know just being able to gauge your successes and your argument is as you've pursued this looks maxing campaign for yourself you've become more attractive and you've had more women yeah that's correct so in that sense you're very different to someone like nick fuentes who told me proudly that he's a virgin he's never had sex right well i don't really understand why it's it's so you know controversial to say that when you know that's for religious reasons right uh i seriously doubt that you would ever say that to someone who is uh of the islamic faith someone saying that they're reserving themselves for marriage i think uh you know yeah i would probably be screwed in media if you were to use that same argument against the muslim uh that you know but it's simply because he's catholic yeah yeah but it's yeah but hang on it wasn't i didn't use it as an argument i just asked him if it was true i didn't care either way it doesn't bother me no you know it's just interesting to me that what do you think i was doing you were trying to make him look bad and sort of use the whole thing of him never having sex with a woman as some sort of like insult or some sort of way for you to you know like make him look bad it was just a little ridiculous well actually all i said to you was do you think you'd be less intense about everything if you just got laid i was just having I was doing a bit of fun with it.

24:41I was doing a bit of jester-maxing. Yeah, but I mean, like, that's just attacking someone based on their, you know, religious beliefs, and I don't really think that that makes any sense. You don't think Nick Fuentes ever does that? Well, you know, this is about you. If you want to morally grandstand over people, you know, just because he did it, does that mean I can do it? Like, that argument... No, no, no, it's not morally grandstanding. but it's not... No, it is. Hang on, hang on. I'm not morally grandstanding, but I do think if somebody, for example, like him has been very critical of people who are Jewish, for example, and have a Jewish faith, what's wrong with questioning him with his faith?

25:23And by the way, his faith is the same as mine. He's a Christian. I'm a Catholic, right? And I had no problem with his answer. I was just curious what kind of person he is. I'm curious what kind of person you are. What's interesting is you're clearly very different people, because I'm going to come to the the van where you're all in the same van. And I'm like, I'm sort of scratching my head as to what you guys have in common. I just don't see that you have much in common with someone like Fuentes or why you would think it would benefit you to be seen with him in the way... Let's come to it, because it was quite interesting.

25:54You know, one of the few controversial things, genuinely, I think you've been involved with was this scene in Miami when you're in a van with the Tate brothers, with Nick Fuentes, with Sneeko. when you watch that video. Are you comfortable about that? Well, listen, Piers, historically, you've kind of been talking about this whole thing with yay for a little while, so I've actually got a yay thing as well for you. So why would you go to that island, Piers? Which island? You know what I mean? so that's the point hang on wait a minute which island? you mean the Epstein island? obviously I've never been there never met Epstein never had any connection with him not in the Epstein files other than references to being at lunches other than well no no you can go read them well no the beauty of the Epstein files you can go and check my name you can read every entry you'll see none of them have anything to do with him or his activities or anything.

27:04I just mentioned in passing as having been at completely unconnected events. So there's something to do with that. I met Ghislaine Maxwell. Well, I'm about to come to that. So I was pictured with her at a book launch for five minutes. I've talked about it. She admitted that under oath, the only time we'd ever met was for five minutes. So I have no connection to that scandal at all other than I once met her for five minutes at a book launch. So let me come back to you in the van with the Heil Hitler song playing. Well, this is like a little bit ridiculous because you're with the number one Luxemaxer.

27:39Hang on, hang on, hang on. You're with the number one Luxemaxer. Okay, go ahead. Let me finish my question. I'm just curious because Ye has now publicly apologized for all his anti-Semitic behavior and language in a full-page advertisement he took out in a newspaper. That came after the thing with the van. You've seen Andrew Tate trying to backtrack from what happened there. Fuentes doubles down because that's what he does about everything. He views it all probably as a bit of a joke and it doesn't matter. Pstico, I don't think it really matters. He's not significant in the way I think that you are in terms of influence.

28:18But I look at you there and you've got a guy behind you literally doing a Nazi salute as Heil Hitler plays in this van. A song that basically pays... Well, hang on, a song that pays tribute. You're singing along to the song, and it pays tribute to the most genocidal monster of the last 100 years. And I'm just curious whether you think it's funny, whether you now regret being put in that position, whether you wish you hadn't been so enthusiastic about singing along to that song, or whether you don't care at all. And I don't have a fixed answer for you. I'm just curious what you genuinely feel. well the thing is pierce i'm not political and i didn't play the song so that's kind of all there is to it right and i find it quite silly to me that you're with the number one looks maxer and instead of asking how you could ascend so that you know your wife wouldn't tweet out captions like when my husband's away mr sud comes out to play maybe if you ask me how to ascend then i would stop happening to you.

29:20You know what I mean? OK, so you're distracting, and that's fine. You're having your fun. I've got no problem with that. But just to be clear, you were in a van singing along to Heil Hitler. Do you regret doing that? Well, I didn't play it, right? So it's like if someone were to come next to you in the street and play a song, it's like, you know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know why you're trying to get political. And this is exactly what I mean by your production. Wait, listen No, no, no, no, no I've got nothing to do with it I've got nothing to do with it Well, you're singing along I really have nothing to do with it I have nothing to do with it And this is what I mean, right?

30:03So you basically lied to my PR team That you wanted to come and interview me about looks maxing And this is what you do, right? I've literally spent the first Well, hang on, hang on Stop being such a baby I spent the first half hour of the interview taking you seriously about all the looks-maxing thing. I find it genuinely interesting. I find it also interesting... OK, so let's talk about that. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me finish my point. Let me finish my point, all right? Let's try and keep things civil. There's no reason not to be. I'm just bemused why you would want to be associated with those other guys, most of whom have doubled and trebled down on it, who don't care, they don't mind idolising Hitler, they think it's funny, they joke about the Holocaust and so on.

30:51I'm not sure you're that kind of person, but you have a chance to tell me whether you are, right? You were in this... I just told you, I'm not political. Well, it's pretty political to chant Heil... Well, to sing to a song called Heil Hitler, you're being political. It's like, I don't know why you're trying to... I don't know why you're trying to make me this political figure when it's something that I've tried so hard to avoid. It's like, I want to talk about looks maxing, but my position on everything is, Like I'm not going to be, you know, scared to collaborate with people. That's something that was good for my career, objectively to collab with bigger creators.

31:25It's like, just as I would with any leftist, like it really doesn't make any sense for you to do this whole gesture max where you're trying to make me this like right wing guy. Oh, I'm not joking. I'm literally doing, I'm actually literally, hang on. I'm literally doing, hang on, hang on, Clav. I'm literally doing the opposite. I'm actually giving you the chance to say You're not one of those right wing guys That you don't I'm not political For the sixth time I just said I'm not political That's my comment So it's like If you're going to make me come on here And denounce every single political figure I'm not political That's all you're getting Piers That's all you're getting I'm not political whatsoever Anyway So back to lip maxing Back to Luxmaster Pierce.

32:16I understand. You're not going to have this gotcha moment. I'm going to try. Okay. It's not a gotcha moment. You were singing Heil Hitler, right? You made it political, not me. As I said to you at the start of the interview, I will always challenge people on what comes out of their mouths. You were singing Heil Hitler with a bunch of people, some of whom have been brazenly anti-Semitic. I'm simply asking you, do you feel comfortable looking back on that video do you wish you hadn't done it and do you understand why people were so offended by it yeah I absolutely understand why uh people are offended by it but at the end of the day it's like something that went viral and um you know like I'm a content creator but it was sort of more of a headache than it was a positive so at the end of the day uh and I'm not political And this is kind of like what happened was now people are asking me all these questions about podcasts.