"I'm SICK Of It!" Iran War, Strait Of Hormuz Blockade & Tucker Carlson Row | With Megyn Kelly

22:52And Trump is not used to being in this position. He's used to bullying his way out of everything. And these guys cannot be bullied. He doesn't know what to do. He's great at shit talking. And he's really not great at winding up wars that he starts by choice. That's what we're learning.

23:10Piers Morgan:Yeah, it's hard to disagree. Megyn Kelly, always brilliant to have you on Uncensored. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. See you soon. Well, listening patiently, I'm ready to debate. I'm joined by my panel. Curtis Sliwa, he's the Guardian Angels founder and former Republican candidate for Mayor of New York. Geraldo Rivera, the correspondent at large of NewsNation. Adam Mockler, political commentator and Mindless Touch contributor. And Anna Kasperin, host and executive producer of The Young Turks. Geraldo, let me start with you. You've always struck me as a reasonable voice in America in a cacophony of mayhem.

23:46Piers Morgan:This war in Iran, from where I'm looking, and I raised these concerns after day one, and nothing has shaken my belief, it looks to me like Donald Trump has got into something which has turned out to be a lot more difficult than he thought it would be, perhaps because the Israelis had assured him it would be easier than this. And now he's in a position where, if he carries on, it's politically disastrous, economically disastrous. and if he gets out, he'll have the accusation that it's all been a waste of time and a failure. You know Trump extremely well. You've done him longer than I have. What would you be advising him right now?

24:28I think here is nice to see you. I think that, first of all, now that there are dueling blockades, now that we are blockading Iran and their commerce, and they are, of course, blockading the world's oil supply, 20 % of the world's oil supply. You have this, I think that the blockade by the United States of Iran and its commerce was a brilliant move and a losing hand. I think that the war has gone not the way anyone in the United States side wanted it to. It's been bloodier, more prolonged, seemingly more pointless, has no end in sight. But now that you have this situation in the strait, in the Persian Gulf generally, I think that the blockade, the American blockade of Iran is more impactful than the Iranian blockade, even though they are stopping the world's oil supply.

25:34I think what has to happen is what appears to be happening now with this Project Freedom, using as an excuse the humanitarian needs of the crews of all the vessels that have been stranded because of the Iranian blockade, using the fact they've been on these vessels now for many weeks with no end in sight. I think that the United States Navy has to be aggressive. And let's see. Iran says it has the Straits of Hormuz closed with its drones and its ball craft and et cetera. Let's test that. I think that one more time, once more into the breach, I think that the United States has to try and see whether or not Iran has the capacity to close the strait.

26:27I believe that a kinetic response to any actions against any neutral ship has to happen, has to be dramatic, has to be overwhelming, has to be soon, or we leave with our tail between our legs.

26:50Piers Morgan:OK, I meant to mention earlier, forgive me, Deborah Lee, Conservative Minister, is also joining us. Deborah, nice to see you. Sorry, the eagle-eyed viewers would have seen five faces pop up and thought, who's the other one? So it's Deborah. Welcome back. Anna Kasparian, welcome back to you. I want to play a clip from John Bolton, which is kind of summing up what a lot of people on his side of the argument are feeling right now. Let's take a look at this. OK, Ambassador, who is going to blink first here? How does this finish? Well, it's anybody's guess at this point. I think the United States holds a great advantage here, but it hasn't finished the job that was started.

27:32My definition of finishing the job is ousting the regime in Tehran. But there are steps less than that that Trump could take. And I'm a little surprised that he hasn't done it. For example, if he were to use military force to open the Strait of Hormuz, which does not involve going back to the kinds of attacks we saw three or four weeks ago, if he could do that but keep the blockade on Iranian oil shipments, that would continue to put a huge financial squeeze on Iran but would get a lot of much-needed oil out of the Gulf and into international markets. I think that is certainly something he can do to up the pressure, keep things moving and avoid having to make some of the choices he clearly doesn't want to make and shouldn't have to make.

28:17Piers Morgan:I mean, Anna, this comes with a backdrop, as I discussed with Megyn Kelly, where, you know, you've got the Israelis itching to get back into fighting in Iran. They're making no secret of that. Already a lot of stuff going on again in Lebanon. You know, there are conflicting agendas at play here. Trump getting a lot of pressure from all sides. A lot of people wanting to end this right now. Over 60 % of Americans are not supportive of this war in Iran. Unprecedented negative numbers for a military conflict like this. What do you make of where we are? And what do you think is going to happen here?

28:55Well, I think that the only way to secure the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, so you have transit of incredibly important cargo, including, you know, energy supply that the globe needs, is to do so diplomatically. If there were a military option to do so, I believe that that military option would have been used already. But we don't have that military option. Just to give you a comparison, when the United States was at the height of the war in Iraq, we had about 250 ,000 soldiers dedicated to that war. Right now we have, what, 10 ,000 to 15 ,000 military personnel. We're not even talking about the entire number of troops being in combat or even able to engage in combat in the Middle East right now as we speak.

29:45So the point that I'm trying to make is there is no military option. When you look at the military weaponry we have, when you look at our THAAD missile interceptor system and the fact that we've depleted 80 percent of our missile interceptors, that puts our troops at a significant disadvantage. And I'm not the one saying this. The Wall Street Journal reported very specific details about how much of our weaponry and interceptors have been depleted already. And we do not have the manufacturing capacity to build quick enough in order to basically withstand the very cheap drones that Iran is able to quickly produce.

30:24So the point that I'm trying to make here, Pierce, is that you have to reach an agreement diplomatically and leaders lead, meaning that President Donald Trump has the leverage, has the power to force this in a diplomatic fashion. He just needs to basically push Israel aside and actually be a leader, not have Israel, you know, dictate our foreign policy.

30:47Piers Morgan:Curtis Sliwa, welcome to you, to Uncensored. You're a former Republican candidate for mayor of New York. And I should just say at this point, my thoughts go out to Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York, and to his family. He's in critical condition in hospital, which was very sad news in the last few days. And I interviewed him actually on our censored only two weeks ago. So my best wishes to him and his family. And I hope he comes through that. But in terms of this war, a lot of Republicans I've been talking to are now having serious doubts about this. the longer it goes on. We were assured it was going to be over in two to three weeks, then six weeks.

31:24Piers Morgan:And now here we are over two months into this with no sign of it coming to any end anytime soon. And the obvious economic damage it's causing with gas prices and with inevitably food prices because of the loss of fertiliser that's being held up and so on. What do you make of it? Are you still supportive of this war, do you think, as John Bolton does, that now you're in it, You've got to finish it and maybe try to affect regime change as well. Well, Pierce, I'm happy that you played John Bolton, who was the national security advisor for Trump in his first four years. Because remember, it was Bolton who barged into the president's office and said, Mr.

32:07President, you have to launch the Air Force because the Iranians just shot down a very expensive drone over the Straits of Hormuz. And the president Trump said it's unmanned, right? Where's the proportionality? And Bolton wanted us to just bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. He's a war hawk. That's why I'm shocked that President Trump, who didn't get who kept us out of these ongoing foreign disputes, did not get us involved, has suddenly flipped the script. And now he's war hawk number one. And we all know why he's been pushed into this. Bibi, an excellent salesman, convinced him that if you come in with us, there will be regime change.

32:49There will be insurrection in the streets, even though our CIA and Marco Rubio told the president the next day after that meeting, that's not going to happen. And we see that Trump got bamboozled by Bibi. This is Bibi's war. We should not be involved in this.

33:04Piers Morgan:Deborah Lee, are you supportive still of this war? Well, first off, this is obviously not Bibi's war. Let's not throw Trump. Trump is a sovereign leader of the United States of America. He's our president. All of his decisions are his own. There's nobody who can bully him into a war. Every decision he makes, even the bad ones, are because he solely wanted to do them. As far as this war, as somebody who has wanted to see the end of the Iranian regime or the Islamic Iranian regime for a very long time, since childhood, growing up around Jews who fled from Iran very young, I'm kind of surprised that the war is still going on at this point.

33:37And as far as Anna said earlier, diplomatically, ideally, this would be a diplomatic exit. But a big challenge that we've seen, I can't attest to the exact numbers, but they prepared for this exact situation. There are factions split across the entire country. So even if the United States were to make a deal with somebody in Tehran, there could be a separate faction up in the north or in the south or somewhere that would challenge a diplomatic exit that would really create safety for the entire region. So at this point, I never thought that they were actually going to go after the Ayatollah. That was shocking for me.

34:05I didn't think that the United States of America would really take that chance, not knowing that we can guarantee regime change. Would I love regime change? Absolutely. Do I see a clear off ramp for this war? Absolutely not. We cannot just surrender to Iran because simply with flights, I'm flying to Israel in a few weeks. If we tell Iran that at any point they launch ballistic missiles, they can shut down airfare for the entire Middle East, can take complete control of the Strait of Hormuz, that is a dangerous position to leave them in. So I think we're at a really unfortunate time, but that's why I trust the leadership that I voted for in this administration.

34:34I trust them to get out of this in the best way possible. And at the very least, if we do get out without no more additional changes, it was avenging the close to a thousand Americans who've been murdered by the Islamic regime over the last 47 years. So it wouldn't be a total loss.

34:47Piers Morgan:You know, when you say you trust this administration, okay, but you voted for them and Donald Trump couldn't have been clearer when he campaigned to be president in 2024. He was not going to take America into any more of these Middle Eastern wars. And then within a year or so, he's gone into the biggest one imaginable. And we've all seen the consequences. Well, President Trump has also been very clear that he will not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. And Iran is committed to a nuclear weapon. I know we destroyed a lot of their weaponry last June. That was miraculous. But at the same time, they're not going to stop building.

35:20They're not going to stop enriching uranium. We saw this with the Obama-Iran nuclear deal, which is horrible. They are committed to building nuclear weapons and trying to destroy the western part of this world with everything that they got. They will divert every resource to try and destroy Western civilization. And so I'm not surprised that we need to keep our, for lack of a better word, our knee on their necks to make sure that they are not trying to destroy the world that we know and love.

35:42Piers Morgan:Yeah, I'm just not quite sure whose knee is on whose neck at the moment, because it looks to me like, as I've been saying regularly, there's an asymmetric war going on. One is the military conflict, which America and Israel have overwhelming superiority. And I don't doubt for a moment. They've caused enormous damage to Iran's military. But there's also the economic war being waged around this Strait of Hormuz, which has enormous global consequences, as we're seeing. And at the moment, that strait remains shut. Despite all the protestation and late night rage tweets from the president, there seems to be very little he can do to get it open again.

36:19Piers Morgan:Let me bring in Adam Mockler. Welcome to Uncensored, Adam. You've obviously hit the headlines in the last few days. For those who haven't seen it, I think it's up there with my Russell Brand clip as the two most memed and republished clips of the week. So let's take a look at your one. This is you with Scott Jennings at CNN. I mean, honestly, they have been at war with us for 47 years. We all know that Scott Jennings is more than happy to defend a war with a country that starts with the letters IRA that we are currently failing, that is going to put us trillions and trillions of dollars more in debt.

36:50I was only a few years old while you were in the administration defending prior endless wars. Now, this war is failing. Eight weeks is endless to you? Okay, you said it was going to be four to six weeks. You have the attention span of a net? I debated you on TV four to six weeks ago and you said we were weeks away from it. Now you're making condescending remarks because you can't defend the fact that this war is not going your way. Wait, one more time. Not going your way? Name one political concession. Name one political concession. Hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. Honestly, I'm not going to have this guy's name on my face.

37:15Everybody, everybody, hang tight, okay?

37:18Piers Morgan:No, everybody calm down, okay? Now, as somebody who was repeatedly actually manhandled by Russell Brand, I think your manhandling was at least a little bit removed. There was daylight between your arms and Scott Jennings. But what was interesting about the exchange to me was not that he was not entitled to get annoyed with the way you were gesticulating. I probably would have done too. But I've not seen him that rattled. Scott Jennings is normally ice cool on that panel show. I watch it a lot. I think he's a really interesting commentator for the right on CNN. It's an unusual beast. They don't have many of them.

37:55Piers Morgan:And he holds his own often against three or four people. And on this occasion, Geraldo was also on the panel, I noted. And we'll come to Geraldo for his view of it in a minute. But I haven't seen Scott Jennings react like that to anybody. And that, to me, in the same way that I'm seeing with Donald Trump's slightly erratic and, you know, quite angry and testy social media activity in the last few weeks, It just looks to me like people have gone all in on this war in Iran. Now it's not playing out in any way that they predicted or told everybody that it was going to play out. They're getting testy.

38:32Piers Morgan:They're getting quite angry about it, which is a natural human reaction, but is increasingly obvious. And I thought your exchange with Scott was indicative of that. What did you think? I don't want to take away from the point that I was making and the question that I was asking in that moment, because I have sat on panel after panel after panel with Scott Jennings as he lies about this war, not bound by any facts whatsoever, as he makes failed predictions, not bound by any timelines whatsoever, and as he condescends and trolls and provokes everyone else on the panel. I mean, even in the same panel, he made fun of my bedtime like five minutes earlier.

39:05So this is a man that's not bound by any facts or timelines or rules. So I said, I'm not going to be bound by rules that my opponent is not playing. And so you can say that I was gesticulating a bit too much. That's a fair criticism, but he could have politely asked me to tone it down. That is not what he did. He snapped because he realized he does not have an answer to the simple question, name one political concession we've gotten from Iran 60 days into this war. We've had moving, shifting timelines, shifting objectives for this war. They've been lowering the threshold for what victory is considered as.

39:35And just because I asked the question of, hey, what concessions have we gotten, that pisses them off. We've seen billions of dollars spent. We saw dozens of people, thousands of people in Iran have died, tens of thousands, but we saw over a dozen US soldiers die. So I'm going to continue to ask this very same question. What political concessions have we gotten from Iran 60 days into this war? The answer is absolutely none. And he knows the answer is none. That's why he freaked out.

40:00Piers Morgan:Yeah, I think it's a perfectly reasonable... Don't apologise. Don't apologise for your gesturing. I don't think you shouldn't be apologising. I mean, let me bring Geraldo in first, because Geraldo, you were on the panel. I want to play your reaction on News Nation to what you saw on that panel. The kid was a dick. I mean, he was smart, eloquent, had his argument together, had obviously debated Scott before, and he was really being a dick. I mean, it was like, shut up, you know, go out and get some life experience. How many different... I wasn't sure if you were talking about Chris Cuomo there, actually, Gerardo.

40:36Piers Morgan:I had to clarify, you were talking actually about Adam Mockler. Now... You still think so? Well, Adam, I mean, what do you want to say to Geraldo? He called you a dick. Do you have a response? Yeah, it's not a dick to try to force a critical question and try to force the conversation to where the American people want it. Geraldo, you were there when Scott made fun of my bedtime five minutes earlier. Again, this is somebody not bound by any rules whatsoever on this show. He's able to lie over and over. Why should I be bound by some decorum that my opponents aren't bound by? Do you see what I'm saying?

41:07It's not the 80s anymore. It's not even 2010 anymore. We are in a new era where we are playing in a reciprocal manner. So I'm not playing the games where I have to be nice. And regarding life experience, really quickly, you have a whole life of experience and you're on the same panels as me. We're on the same shows. We have a show last week. We have a show today. So life experience, what has it got in you? I don't know.

41:27Piers Morgan:All right, Geraldo, your life experience has got you nowhere, says the young dick. It's gotten me a career that's lasted 56 years so far and counting. And aside from 10 Emmys and a few other trinkets, I guess. Adam, listen, don't be a wise ass, OK? I said to you in the commercial break that immediately followed your confrontation with Scott that I thought that you made some good points. The problem is that you can be very obnoxious in your presentation. Now, sometimes being obnoxious can lead to a whole career. But I advise you strongly because you're a smart kid and you obviously prepared, you know, for the debate.

42:11You know, stick to that. Stick to the substance, because I think that you do have a future. In terms of Scott Jennings, I like Scott very much. I didn't know him before the CNN experience. You know, it's fun talking to him in the green room before the show. and then see the confrontation, this spontaneous combustion. I was surprised. I was surprised by the fact that Scott reacted as he did. But then, you know, just listening to Adam, he can be very grating. And, you know, sometimes that works. You know, I remember Morton Downey and a bunch of others from daytime TV and so forth. But I strongly advise you to stick to the substance because you can, as I indicated in the commercial break following the confrontation, you can be a voice for a generation that has so far been unable to penetrate into the mainstream media.

43:11That's that's my. This is so indicative of the double standards that we see all throughout the media. I mean, you went on that whole rant, but you didn't mention that Scott Jennings made fun of my bedtime or whatever. Not that I care, but he's the one who has an obnoxious air to him. What did he say about your bedtime? I missed that. So I asked him a question five minutes before. I said, hey, what concession has Iran gotten? And he says, aren't you a little bit up past your bedtime or something? He started with the condescending jabs.

43:35Piers Morgan:To be fair, Adam, you are literally beaming into the show from your bedroom. It's a hotel room. I'm currently at a hotel room. I mean, either way... It's not the best way to refute the suggestion that it's past your bedtime. What are you talking about? I'm in a hotel room in New York because I have CNN again tonight. I don't... It's a joke. You're reacting a bit... You're reacting a bit like Scott did the other day. So take a chill pill. You happen to have a bed behind you as you're refuting the charge that it's past your bedtime. I'm just making a joke. It's a good joke. One final thing. I'm 23.

44:11Maybe my youthful arrogance will drop with time. But there's no excuse for Scott Jennings to be on air all the time, making remarks at everybody else. And then the moment somebody gives it back, he can dish it, but he can't take it. The moment somebody tries to force the question, what political concession have we gotten from Iran? He gets worked up. So, yeah.

44:28Piers Morgan:Well, OK, I don't know Scott Jennings at all. I never met him. I think he's a very effective communicator on a network, CNN, that when I was there was very, very, very cautious about revealing any kind of partisan bias, but now has a panel show where quite often on that show they have four on one side and Scott Jennings. So I actually feel like he puts up a pretty good fight given he's often heavily outnumbered. But Anna, on a sort of slightly wider point here, it's very interesting to me. I've just interviewed Megyn Kelly for 20 minutes at the start of this show. And I could have been talking to you about some of these issues, right?

45:06Piers Morgan:Same with Tucker Carlson. A lot of you have blended now into a weird family of people who have a lot of agreement about a lot of things. Iran, the influence of Israel, Donald Trump and his mistake, as you see it, and so on. Did you think a time would come when you would be siding rhetorically on these big, big issues with so many who are on the conservative right? And what does that tell you about the state of the conservative right when you've got people like Mark Levin saying Tucker's mentally ill, everyone trashing Candace Owens and her trashing everybody else. There is a real split going on on the conservative right.

45:42Piers Morgan:And there's you firmly on the left as you've always been, but now siding rhetorically to me, it seems, on these big issues with people that would historically have been the complete opposite to you. I'm going to get back to your question in just one second, but I have to say the debate about tone is the exact type of distraction that Zionists are hoping for. So you don't actually debate the substance. Mockler, your tone was fine. Your hand was nowhere near his face. You have no reason to apologize. The reason why they're attacking your tone is because they can't attack your substance. Now, moving on to Pierce's question.

46:19Somehow blame Zionists for that. That's mental illness, but OK. Yeah. OK, right. Oh, you're calling me mentally ill. Do you want to go there? Do you want to go there? What does blaming Zionists have to do with viral... I'm not talking to you. I'm going to answer Pierce's question calmly and not let you bait me because that's what you guys do. I hope you can. Pierce, to answer your question, I think that right now it's not really a question of left versus right on this issue. It's a question of good versus evil, America first versus a foreign country first. And right now this war is something that, as Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, has said repeatedly has been a dream of his for decades.

46:57And he finally got his dream to the detriment of the American people, since we're the ones paying for this war. We're the ones who lost 13 soldiers as a result of this war, and we shouldn't be fighting it. And so I think Tucker, I think Megyn Kelly, I think people like me and Cenk, regardless of our political views overall, look at this war, look at the undue influence of Israel over our government and foreign policy. And we have a problem with that. We are America first. We have some very real problems here within our own borders that are not being addressed at all, even though President Trump alleged that he was going to address those issues.

47:31And in fact, the very issues that people voted for him on, including doing something about affordability, he has only made worse by agreeing to enter this war. So I think that's what's going on, why there's a little bit of agreement when it comes to big picture issues, like whether or not our leadership is America first, whether or not our foreign policy is serving us, and whether or not we really want to continue this alliance with a country that has only sucked our resources and forced us into wars that we shouldn't be fighting.

48:00Piers Morgan:OK, Deborah Lee, what was the point you were trying to make? At the beginning, she referenced that this is Zionist distraction to talk about tone. And I was just pointing out that to blame Zionist for pointing out the tone. This was a very viral interaction between Adam and Scott. A lot of people had a lot of opinions. That's the kind of mental illness that we ascribe to anti-Semitism, where it rots your brain and you start seeing these connections where they come from nowhere. And something very worth mentioning is somebody who's very passionate about making sure that Republicans win in this country for the midterms.

48:28If we stop this war tomorrow, that would really not move the needle for the Republican Party in terms of the midterms. And the biggest reason is because we have these rogue liberal activist judges who consistently overturn every single win from the Trump administration. And so until we rein back these activist judges in our country and assure that we can actually have the long lasting wins that we voted for lasting in this country, that is the biggest challenge for the midterms. Americans are not feeling the wins from the administration. I don't think that's going to be the problem.

48:53Piers Morgan:I think the problem for the midterms is going to be if this war drags on with all the economic havoc it's causing, then what's going to happen is that regular Americans are going to look at two promises Donald Trump made, not to drag America into pointless, expensive Middle Eastern wars, and to focus on America first and getting the cost of living down. And if neither of those things have been achieved, in fact, the complete opposite has happened, then I suspect the Republicans are in for an absolute shellacking in November. Now, there's still time to rectify this, but every week that goes by with this war is another week, which is longer than we were told this was all going to last.

49:32Piers Morgan:And I'm looking at the prices of gas prices, the inevitable surge in food prices that's going to come because of the fertiliser issue and so on. It's all bad news for Trump. His approval rating is at a record low. He should just get out of this thing. I just want to come to you Curtis if I may about something completely different because there was another big event last week where my king and queen came to your great country and you said this oh total agreement to him because I was in India this was about 15 years ago and I met with historians there they stole all the artifacts not just in India all over the world they refused to give it back so they have the king and the queen you know the royalty they're a bunch of deadbeats slackers, the worst welfare cheats in the world.

50:17So the countries ask, you know, could we have our artifacts back? And they say no. Meantime, India, they had 2 million volunteers join the king's army in World War II to defend the crown. 100 ,000 casualties, many more injured. I think the least that the royal family, the royal stiffs, could do is not stiff, the Indian people.

50:40Piers Morgan:But they do it, and they don't think twice about it. and they should have met with the Epstein victims. So a stinging attack on my monarch and his wife there. This is about the Cunor diamond, which is an ongoing argument and dispute. It dates back several hundred years, and I'm not going to get into that particular argument. But when you call King Charles a slacker, Curtis, I just wanted to point something out to you. King Charles is 77. I believe you're a very robust 72. So he's five years older than you. He was diagnosed with cancer in February 2024 and is still having regular treatment for this cancer.

51:18Piers Morgan:And yet in 2025, he conducted 390 solo engagements and 488 solo and joint engagements. Slacker? Really? My king? A slacker? He's the hardest working cancer patient in the world. Let me let me let me get the small violin out. I had stage four prostate cancer. I was shot five times with hollow point bullets on the orders of the Gatties to the Gambinos. I'm out there every day. The difference is when your king and your queen came to lay the flowers at the memorial at 9-11, which was good, not only for all the Americans lost 3 ,000, but the 69 Brits. Just a block away is the memorial to the Irish famine, where your royalty was responsible for the killing of a million Irish up the rebels, Easter Rising, John Conley.

52:19Your Queen Victoria did this and your royalty never apologized for the death of one million Irish. You have a lot. Your royalty has a lot to apologize for.

52:30Piers Morgan:And do your leaders have a blameless record going back 250 years, Curtis? Or should I start slinging my arrows back your way for some of the transgressions of the past? No, you can't. You can't. Because I don't believe in idolatry. I question authority. I am a Republican who constantly questions the authority of Donald Trump. You see, here in America, we have total free speech. And the answer to hate speech is more free speech. But in England, you don't have complete free speech. And you know what I'm talking about, Pierce. Well, we have issues with free speech, particularly on social media, which I'm very concerned about.

53:06Piers Morgan:I agree with you. You know, we've had some ridiculous cases where people have cracked jokes, inappropriate, tasteless jokes on social media and then get arrested by five armed policemen at Heathrow Airport and charged with crimes. It's ridiculous. Can I reach my hands across the pond? You keep the king and the queen there. We'll keep Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse here because that's your Disney world. The king and the queen. Geraldo, I actually like that. I was in New York last week and I actually really like the fact that after a lot of Brit bashing from Trump aimed at Keir Starmer, who's been a pretty useless Prime Minister, I have to be honest, of my country, following a lot of other useless Prime Ministers in recent years, that after all the Brit bashing, some of it deserves some over the top, we finally had a reminder that actually there is a very historic and abiding and genuinely special relationship between our two great countries.

54:04Piers Morgan:What did you feel about it? Was it significant to you at all or not really? I thought that the royal family, well, the royal couple, anyway, the king and queen, did a magnificent job. The king's speech before the Joint Chamber of Congress was brilliant. I thought that he, here he was, you know, in a hostile environment where the relationship between the secular British government and the United States is horrible. Britain and the United States historic allies have had this awful divorce mainly over what's going on in Iran and the Persian Gulf. But the king came, despite the bitter feelings between the British government and the American government, the king came and made a speech that reminded Americans of what our democracy is all about.

55:02reminded Americans that we have elected representatives, that there's a separation between the legislative branch and the executive branch, that there is power in America's pounding documents and our government structure, as long as each branch allows the other to do its constitutionally mandated job. It took the king of England. Ironically, they took the king to teach Americans what our democracy was about, what separation of powers is about. And I was enormously impressed by his sincerity. I thought that his speech really resonated with many people who were apolitical. You know, I really believe that he was, in my view, this was the most impressive visit by a royal ever, certainly in my adult lifetime.

56:03I thought Charles was brilliant. And I was never a huge fan of his. Of course, Princess Diana and all that. But to see Charles, kind of a stiff, generally, as he was regarded, come and make such a clever speech, so brilliantly delivered, connecting not only with the joint, he gets standing ovation from Republican and Democrat, standing together, an ovation in Congress. You would never get that from an American president standing before the American Congress. But there was King Charles standing ovation, not a seat. No one sitting in the whole room. And he dominated and then graciously went to Harlem, was with the kids there.

56:50You know, remembered the 67 Brits who, you know, who died on 9-11. I thought that he and Queen Camilla really did a wonderful job, and I'm very glad they came. It reminded us that politicians can be effective and that the monarchy was more than just symbolic.

57:12Piers Morgan:And only a voice that posh and charming and warm and eloquent could get away with standing next to the American president and crack jokes about burning down the White House and the fact you'd all be speaking French if it wasn't for us. And get away with it. But that was great. And actually, you know what, to return the favour, I thought Donald Trump was on his very best behaviour throughout that trip. He obviously loves the royals. I had a text exchange with him. He was ecstatic about how it all went. You know, you and I did The Apprentice. We've got to finish, but I just want to end with this, Geraldo.

57:49Piers Morgan:We both did The Apprentice. When you do The Apprentice, I sat opposite Donald Trump. This is back in 2007-8. I sat opposite him in that boardroom for three hours every night and watched him in action. He was often so charming, so empathetic, so funny. All the things we see when he's at his best, like with The Royal Visit. And it just makes me scratch my head about why he's so reluctant to show that side of himself more and why he likes to be so over-the-top aggressive and bombastic all the time and do things like, honestly, like when he talks about, you know, annihilating everyone in Iran, or he trashes Rob Reiner the day after he's murdered, or wherever it may be.

58:30Piers Morgan:It's like, I just, there's another guy lurking inside Donald Trump, which I wish he would show people more of, because I think then he would be less of a demon figure to everybody. And it's just a pity, because when you see him like he was with the Royals, it was great. Everybody wins, right? Everyone enjoyed that. That state dinner was fantastic. Anyway, that's for another time. Thank you all to my panel. I appreciate it very much. Thank you.

59:18Piers Morgan:never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.