‘It Was BRUTALITY’ Milo Yiannopoulos Deported - Exclusive Interview | Nancy Mace CONFRONTED Over AIPAC & Gaza

21:31symbiotic, you know, sort of toxic relationship with Trump where he can't get enough of her obsequious, toadying praise. and she can't get enough of, you know, the clout from the proximity. And so I think he, you know, allows her to run riot because he, you know, likes anybody who praises him, especially, I guess, these days, because they're pretty few and far between.

21:52Piers Morgan:I don't want to get into the specifics of this... You know, I... Let me just finish my point. Because of the defamation law in the UK, where we're doing this interview, we have to be careful. But, you know, my understanding is that you accused her of something when you were working with her in relation to another staff member, which I don't want you to discuss in detail because we don't have any way of corroborating it. That's right. But do you believe that this may then be a sort of payback for what you tried to do then? Well, because I saw that there was something very seriously wrong with her.

22:28I was one of the people who, you know, made sure that Trump did not endorse her the second time when she ran for Congress the second time. So, I mean, if she's got a grudge about that, fair enough. I don't think... Look, I find it difficult, in a way, to hold anything against her because I don't think she's well. And whenever the Laura Loomer show comes crashing down, as I'm sure it will any moment, I think she's going to need a lot of prayer and she's going to need a lot of... You know, she's going to need a lot of the people that she's really burned. I may not find time in my diary to send her a loving note, But that is a...

23:05I have to say, and I've spoken to, you know, mutual friends of ours and, you know, other people in Washington about the fact that, you know, this administration seems to have... seems to have kind of devolved into the loomer admin to think that the promise and hope and joy and anticipation of Trump 2016 could sort of, you know, over the course of ten years, collapse into this ugly, warmongering, you know, taken as a whole mentally ill heap of crazy, with some of the most, you know, unstable and, you know, lunatic people, seemingly directing the president's actions. If I had any clue that anything remotely like this, you know, was even possible, I would never have got involved in supporting Trump in the first place.

24:03And I'm very ashamed that I did.

24:05Piers Morgan:I want to play you a clip. This is from Ben Shapiro, no great friend of yours, who, well, he's basically trampling on your deportation grave. Let's take a look.

24:16Ana Kasparian:This guy, this one, why he was hanging around in the United States for so long, nobody really understands. Does he have benefits to the United States? As long as we're evoking H-1B visas, it seems to me that there's no special talent visa applicable for Milo Yiannopoulos. We have plenty of nut jobs here in the United States. We don't need more.

24:32Piers Morgan:What's your reaction to Ben Shapiro? Well, I've written a lot more New York Times bestsellers than he has. So, you know, as far as extraordinary ability goes, you know, let's not punch down. When he calls you a decrepit pervert and scuzzbucket. I mean... As he did in his lengthy tirade. What do you feel about that? Ben has been very upset for a very long time because when I started to become popular way back in 2016 and Ben was, you know, juicing his numbers and, you know, paying for it, like they do in America, you know, the influencer kind of, you know, astroturfing and the rest of it and I was just sailing past him in every way, completely organically.

25:21You know, he couldn't really understand why. He's one of those people that, you know, one of those terminal mediocrities that can't really understand the difference between them and the talented people and just sort of sits and fumes and froths and, you know, occasionally tries to sort of engage with them and then has to eject them out of, you know, out of rage and envy. I mean, he did the same thing with Candice. You know, Ben has become... Well, Ben became somewhat wealthy and somewhat influential by being, you know, a nasty, dark, slippery person behind the scenes. I think everyone's kind of got the measure of him now and, you know, sorry to hear that his organisation's doing so poorly, but if he's very cross about something, it should be the state of his P &L, not me.

26:04Piers Morgan:The criticism against you is a charge of hypocrisy because people say, well, look, you spent a lot of time supporting publicly ICE being very aggressive with deportations. On January 2nd, 2025, you posted, punishing Somalis indiscriminately as a group and deported them all is the only way this administration would persuade the voters it is serious enough to the job. And then again in May 25, there's one concrete thing we must insist on this administration delivering. It matters a lot more than debts measured in imaginary money. We're going to deport millions and millions of people without that nothing else matters.

26:41Piers Morgan:In September 2025, total legal immunity for ICE agents when they're on duty. And 21st of September 2025, the justice system should be just ICE. So there you are aggressively promoting ICE being very aggressive and demanding that millions of people be deported. People say, Milo, you've been hoisted by your own petard. And I don't have a word to say. You got me. I'm very... Look... I mean, they're doing what you told them to do, deport millions of people. Well, not really. It just happened to include you. They're not doing it lawfully. And I think... But you did say about Somalis, they should be deported indiscriminately as a group.

27:19Well, I'm obviously exaggerating.

27:20Piers Morgan:Deporting them all. Obviously exaggerating there. I think another tweet, I said something like, you know, we shouldn't let the 97 % of Somalis, you know, create a bad reputation for the law-abiding 3%. I tell all kinds of mean-spirited and exaggerated jokes. Right, but the point... The point is that ISIS is supposed to be deporting criminals. I understand, Martin. They're supposed to be prioritising people who come in illegally... I know. who sell people, who murder, who rape, who sell drugs... I get it. I get it. ..and they're not doing that. I get it. The problem you have, I think, in these tweets and public statements is that you weren't singling out Somali criminals, for example, or just criminals.

27:59Piers Morgan:You wanted Somalis as a group all deported. No. You said that. I was... Look, when the... You can't deny saying it. No, of course not. I'm not... So the argument against you goes, well, Milo, you know, you didn't care about Somalis being legally or illegally there. You wanted them all thrown out. I'm generalising about groups that have rampant criminality. I don't think British ghostwriters are an especially egregiously violent group of people. But, yes, it is true that, you know, the majority of Somalis in Minnesota are in some way connected with the fraud there. Yes, it is true that there are some demographic kind of tendencies or, you know, in the statistics about violent crime and sexual crime and stuff in America.

28:49If ICE were doing its job and clearing America out of the people who rape, kill, murder and sell drugs and a couple of extra people got caught up in the dragnet and if I was one of them, nobody would have very much to say. But they're not doing that. They're not doing that. When I was taken in, something struck me really remarkable, right? I was in three different ICE detention facilities. And do you know what I saw? Do you know the kind of people that I saw in the cells next to me? Nobody. There was nobody there. I was the only person in the entire facility three times in a row because they're not doing the job, they're not doing anything.

29:26The ICE agents all have lovely, brand-new vehicles. They've got gorgeous new Infiniti and Chevrolet, you know, whatever you call it, SUVs. They've got great uniforms, great equipment, but every single one of those facilities I was taken to, every one, I was put in a huge line of cells in which there was nobody.

29:52Piers Morgan:That seems to me an argument for deporting more people like you. Well, I don't think like me, but maybe deporting more people in general. Are you bemused, annoyed, upset by the deafening silence from people on the alt-right that you might expect to be supported publicly? Steve Bannon, for example. No, I'm... Candice Owens, Nick Fuentes. No, no, Candice. They've been pretty noticeable by their public silence. Candice has... You know, you don't always know what people reach out to say and do privately, so... Publicly, I mean. No. Why are they not supporting you publicly? I haven't... I honestly haven't seen who has and who hasn't on Twitter.

30:32It's not something that's ever bothered me. I mean, look, the kinds of... I would call it comedy. Maybe you would have a different word for it. The kinds of commentary and tweets that I have been publishing for the better part of 15 years now don't make you a lot of friends. And it's never a shock to me when I get myself into hot water that everybody kind of backs away quietly.

30:52Piers Morgan:What about... What about... What about Ye West? I don't blame people for that. My boss and his wife were just worried that I was OK. So he has contacted you? Of course. He phoned you, he texted you? We were in touch. Texted? Yes, and I'd been back to work for two days. For him? Yeah, of course. So you're working for Ye? That's my full-time job, yeah. How would you describe a job for him? Well, I manage as lawyers, which I can do from anywhere. Right. But, you know, that you might... Does Ye think it's a miscarriage of justice that you've been deported? I didn't ask for his opinion on the subject.

31:30You know, I was just... I was really just expressing my regret that it was a distraction and irritation for him and reassuring him that I'd be back to work. And, you know, he was happy that I was all right and that was it.

31:45Piers Morgan:You've been obviously very associated with the MAGA movement, with Trump, with the alt-right and so on. and some people, you know, are sympathetic to you for what's happened to you. So you've just basically been chewed up and spat out by the very people that you were, in many cases, instrumental in making more popular and making more money. Do you feel that? I mean, do you feel like... That's true, but that's a decision I made because I decided to be the one to say it first and I decided to be the one to be the furthest out there and I decided to be the one to be the most outrageous and I decided to be the one to, you know, mentor and to germinate the others.

32:24So I never like to see people whinge about getting what they ask for. And if you are a provocateur in public life and you get banned from things and you get blacklisted from things and people say nasty things and then when you're in trouble, people go quiet. I don't think you, like, it's kind of a bad look, you know. You know, if you get under people's skin for a living, To make a political point, you know, for a higher purpose, we hope, most of the time. And then, you know, and then you squeal and cry... ..play the victim when people don't rush to your aid. I think that's pretty pathetic. I hate to see that.

33:01I hope that I never do that, and I try and do that. That's a decision I made. This that we're talking about today is not a decision I made. In fact, you know, as I just mentioned, I manage lawyers for a living, I'm married to an American. There is no reason on earth I would have allowed a situation to emerge...

33:22Piers Morgan:Are you going to sue the administration, the Department of Unbound Security? How are you going to play this? Well, they did not allow for the proper lawful appeals procedure to be followed, so I'm going to start with that. And we'll see how we go. And we'll see how the Miami judge feels when they are fully apprised of exactly what went down in the run-up to that order being issued and what they did with that order afterwards, because I don't think that judge is going to be very happy. And so I'm going to pursue the orderly, lawful appeals process and see where that leads, and we'll see where we are after that.

34:02But I don't believe this will stand. I have a family, I have a home, I have employees, I have two very gorgeous little Bengal cats. I've got a whole life, a whole life. and I'm not going to allow a very frightening and politically motivated, you know, weekend of hell to rip my whole life away from me. I'm sorry, I'm not going to.

34:26Piers Morgan:Some would say, Milo, that you've been an enthusiastic supporter of a movement which has attracted a lot of white supremacists, anti-women people, anti-Semites, racists and so on, to whip up political discourse for traction, for clicks, for money and so on, and now all your chickens have come home to roost. You know, I won't get into all the things you've said there. I don't think that's fair. My only question was this. Was it worth it? I mean, if you look back at the whole arc of what's happened... Of course, of course. As you sit here now... Of course. You know, looking... Not a broken man, but a pretty beaten-up guy.

35:05Piers Morgan:Was it worth it? I'm a very successful millionaire. I'm OK. Like, I'm all right. I'm just not in the country that I choose to live in. I'm all right. You know, like, I'm not... I'm not a refugee from a war zone. I had a frightening weekend, right? And I'm gonna fix a situation that happened that was unjust and wrong. But I'm not, you know... I have a pretty... I have it pretty good. Um... Yes, it was worth it, because it's always worth it to tell the truth. And, you know, I'll see... I think sometimes, you know, I get characterised as the... You know, sometimes I am the ringleader and sometimes I'm not.

35:38But if you go back to the things that I was writing about the alt-right in 2016, it wasn't a bristling encomium to encourage people to the far fringes. I wrote an analysis, I wrote an anatomy. It was called An Establishment Conservative's Guide to the Alt-Right. It was the most influential piece of political journalism that half decade. Millions of people read it. And it was an anatomy of the movement from the fringes to the mainstream. I've always thought of myself as being in the mainstream, even if I have a big mouth, even if I tell nasty jokes, my...

36:09Piers Morgan:I mean, look, you did once say that feminism was a cancer and the only women who are deeply physically unattractive turned to it. That's absolutely true. True? Absolutely true. The only women who are deeply physically unattractive are feminists. Yes, I mean, the only question... The only serious question about that is whether feminism makes women ugly or whether they're ugly, you know... You see, here's the point, Marlow. You double down, you just say, yep, I still believe that. I mean, only 7 % of women, you know, describe themselves as feminists. I mean, you know, this is not a popular movement.

36:44But I know many feminists who are not... You say this, like, you know, oh, you've got these terrible things to say about feminism. I mean, feminism... That's a terrible thing to say about... Feminism has lower approval ratings than some serial killers. That's a terrible thing to say about women.

36:57Piers Morgan:What? The only deeply physically attractive women, unattractive women are feminists. to a movement that is terrible for men and women, that is driven by grievance and angst and doesn't get anybody anywhere... But do you accept... But Milo, do you accept this makes you sound... ..made women more unhappy? Milo, notwithstanding your argument about feminism as a movement, do you understand that the way you categorise that makes you sound like a flaming misogynist? It's the kind of thing Andrew Tate would say.

37:31If the one bigotry that you get me on is woman-hating, I can live with that. Really? Why would you be proud to be a woman-hater? I didn't say that. I didn't say I was proud of it. I said that I see in myself that flaw. That you hate women? No, that I... I have said hateful things about women. Yeah, I have. do I struggle with... Do I struggle mustering affection for women? Yeah, sometimes. Probably lots to do with my mother, probably lots to do with being homosexual for a lot of my life. Yeah, I do struggle to muster sympathy and affection for women sometimes. If I'm guilty of a really serious, you know, hatred toward anyone, maybe I do hate women a bit.

38:18And I see that flaw in myself. But that does not mean I'm going to give an ugly, poisonous movement like feminism, an easy ride, because it makes men and women more miserable.

38:30Piers Morgan:Milo, I appreciate you coming to the studio and giving your case. People will better judge it for themselves, what they heard, but thank you very much. God bless you. Thanks. Well, it's been reported that the Lindsay Clancy jury has been unable to reach a unanimous verdict. Juries were ordered to continue deliberating on Tuesday morning after informing the judge that they could not reach a consensus on murder charges. Joining me now is Nancy Mace, Republican Congresswoman for South Carolina, Anna Gasperin, the host and executive producer of The Young Turks, Carrie Prejean-Abollah, she's a conservative commentator and Trump critic, and Tiffany Smiley, conservative commentator.

39:02Piers Morgan:Well, welcome to all of you. Well, let me start with you, Nancy, if I may. Your reaction to what you've just been hearing from Milo Yiannopoulos? Well, certainly I hope he has all of the statements he made documented because I think he has a good case on appeal for what happened to him. You know, it doesn't feel good when you have the mob coming after you. And I'm someone who's had the mob on both the left and the right after them at any number of times for any number of statements. I know how that feels when they are going after you. And it makes you wonder, is this retribution? Is it political retribution?

39:37What was behind it? What happened? I want to know why his mail or his warnings were returned to sender if they knew where he lived. But it was a fascinating interview. But it leaves a lot of questions behind, I think.

39:49Piers Morgan:What about what he said about women at the end? Oh, well, certainly heartbreaking to hear that. But I think when we see some of the, I think, discussion about women or women's issues, I've been shamed over being a survivor by people on both sides of the aisle. Like, it really tugs at my heartstrings as a mom to hear that. But at least he's sort of, I guess, understands that that's where he is. And I think it is, I mean, obviously, it's harmful to women having that kind of rhetoric out there. but, you know, was sad. I really, like, I'm a mom and, you know, thinking about the Lindsay Clancy thing, thinking about the cultural divide we have in our country, and honestly, it makes me sad for our country.

40:30Piers Morgan:Let me bring in Anna Kasperin. And, Anna, I mean, I was pretty shocked by what he said at the end about women, I've got to be honest. To sort of just calmly admit you probably have a problem hating women, you know, you're not going to get many female supporters for your cause by being quite so brazenly misogynist.

40:48Ana Kasparian:Yeah, I don't know. I don't really care what he thinks about women at all. Doesn't matter to me. Doesn't affect my life, even in the least.

40:56Piers Morgan:What do you feel about what's happened to him in terms of, as he says, he believes he had a green card, he's married to an American man, and that he should never have been deported. Many people think because of Laura Loomer's involvement, because of the way she boasted about her involvement, that he's been a political scapegoat for turning on the MAGA movement, if you like, or as he would see it, you know, the Trump administration and those who he thinks have strayed away from the MAGA movement. But what do you feel about that part of it, notwithstanding his views on women?

41:29Ana Kasparian:I think he might have a legitimate claim there. I mean, supporters of the Trump administration really don't make it a secret that they want to use immigration status to retaliate against critics. And that's the bigger issue that I'm having here. You see this broader trend of Trump's allies calling for American citizens to be denaturalized or for actual American citizens who were born here in the United States to be deported, although they're never clear about where they would be deported to, considering the fact they were born here in the United States. So the use of our laws, including immigration law, doing so cynically in an effort to retaliate against political opponents, I think is a really big problem.

42:17Ana Kasparian:And it leads to a lot of disdain and distrust toward our political system. I think it's a bad idea and they keep doing it.

42:23Piers Morgan:Carrie, welcome back to Uncensored. There is a free speech issue here, people think. which is that as long as he was saying the right things about President Trump and the administration, there were no questions being raised about his immigration status. The moment he turned against the administration, Laura Loomer, who may have a personal vested interest in disliking him from when they worked together and stuff that may have gone on there, has led a politically motivated campaign, which he's talked about publicly, to get him thrown out of the country. Are you comfortable with that? No, I'm not comfortable with it.

43:01at all. I agree with Anna. I think that this is politically motivated. I think that this goes to the sense of, you know, if they don't like what you say, they're going to get rid of you. They're going to deport you. I mean, look at Marco Rubio. He's telling people that if you criticize the genocidal state of Israel, that you won't be welcomed into this country. I know Palestinians that are living here on a visa, they're afraid to, you know, speak out about the genocide because they're afraid to be deported as well. I mean, this cannot happen in the United States of America. And I would really love it if Nancy Mace right now on this panel could come out and talk about the genocide that is happening in Gaza.

43:38I mean, she's taken over$100 ,000 from AIPAC over her career. I would really love for you to call it a genocide right here, right now. I think it was about$138 ,000 and clearly wasn't enough. I would like your take on the genocide of Christian Syria, which is a story nobody wants to cover at all. The difference between you and I, as I'm willing to say. I support Jews. There is only one Jewish state in the world and they are under attack. Do you support the Palestinians' right to exist or do you just support Israel? I do not support a two-state solution. I mean, this has been Israel's land. Can you condemn the genocide in Gaza right now, right here?

44:19I condemn genocide everywhere. Will you condemn the genocide of Christians? Can you condemn Israel's genocide in Gaza? murder when you can't even children can she's killed at the table or six minutes to kill them when you condemn murder murderous moms that that's the difference as an excuse to kids that's the difference between you and i is that i don't take money from apac like you do and so you're you're a slave you're honestly a slave to the system it's people like you that i'm a slave are you not willing to condemn killing 20 000 innocent children in gaza can you condemn that right now, Nancy.

44:59Can you condemn Lindsey Clancy's murdering her kids? Can you condemn Don't pivot. Don't pivot. Don't pivot. Do not pivot. Do not pivot. Answer the question. Can you condemn the killing of 20 ,000 innocent children in Gaza? And you can't say it. Can you say it? Can you say it? It looks like the check's cleared. Can you say it? Can you condemn Israel's genocide in Gaza killing 20 ,000 innocent children. I don't believe there's been genocide in Gaza. You can't do it because you're bought and paid for it. Let me ask a different question. You're a slave. Let me jump in, please, ladies. Jews are not safe to come out of their home now.

45:41You're no free woman. Ladies, please,

45:44Piers Morgan:I am moderating this panel, whether you like it or not. Nancy Mace, my question to you would be, do you condemn anything that Israel's been doing in Gaza? I don't condemn. I think Israel is protecting Jews as they should. Even the gang rapes? I support Israel. I support Israel's righteousness. And by the way, ladies, before Iran broke out, you know where I went? I went to Israel to rescue Americans. Of course you did. Of course you did. You let Israel. You should move there. Of course you did. You should move there. You're a slave. You're pathetic. You are no free woman. All right. Well, I asked the question.

46:17Listen, I asked the question.

46:20Piers Morgan:These don't all talk at once. I asked the question. We got an answer. Let me go to Tiffany Smiley. Let's just move on to another big story that's been happening. And as we've been talking, they kind of hit a gridlock on this. And I'm not surprised. It's a very complicated story. And this is the story of Lindsay Clancy, the woman who killed her three children, and the defence being she was suffering from severe postpartum depression, a sort of psychosis, and didn't know what she was doing, even though it looked like a lot of the actions have been premeditated and so on. The jury's obviously having a lot of trouble trying to work out where guilt may or may not lie here in terms of first-degree murder.

47:04Piers Morgan:And this has caused a lot of controversy. People like Matt Walsh and others on the Conservative right saying, well, of course it's murder. She killed three children. You might have, you know, some explanation for why she did it. But when did we become a society which has, you know, hundreds of people, fans outside the courtroom, supporting someone who killed three children. What is your view of this case?

47:27Ana Kasparian:Yeah, I mean, my heart breaks for everyone in this case, and there are three beautiful souls who are dead. And the conspiracy theorists, and like we've just witnessed on your panel, people who just run to their corners and yell and scream takes away from a bigger conversation that I think needs to be had on a lot of issues, and that cuts through and asks the question, How do we make sure that this never happens again? And how we do that is we have to understand it from a holistic perspective. We have to understand where the breakdown was. Where did it occur? Was it in the health care system? Was it her caretakers?

48:06Ana Kasparian:We know that she suffered from some forms of postpartum depression. I was a triage nurse on an OBGYN floor. I have seen firsthand the mental health crisis that our country faces. And Americans would be shocked if they understood and knew what our health care providers face on a daily basis. This was 15 years ago that I was working. And you would be shocked if I told you some of the stories that women had coming into our triage center. And and that was a long time ago. And it's only gotten worse. I do know as a former healthcare professional that postpartum depression can get worse with each child.

48:46Ana Kasparian:Now, was it addressed appropriately with her first one and then it subsequently got worse, leading to psychosis? Did she not have a care network at home that understood her? Did she wrap shame around it? Did the medical system fail her? Should she have been institutionalized and why was she released? These are the questions that we need to know so we can make sure that this absolutely never happens again. We are a society that just pushes medication and says, go have a nice day. She had three children under her care who are now dead. And in some way, this woman felt that her only option out of the pain, out of the torture, was to kill her children and try to kill herself.

49:28Ana Kasparian:So we need answers to these questions. You know, I was speaking with a legal analyst just last week and there were five of us talking about this case. And he said this is going to be a hung jury because all five of us in this conversation looked at this case from a different lens. I am not surprised by what's going on. I do believe it will be a hung jury. There are women on the panel that that have seen the facts, have understood her situation on a level that perhaps we we will not until the verdict comes out. But the prosecution, you know, they want first-degree murder. And I think they had a very hard time proving that a sane, rational mother would do the most unrational thing.

50:13Piers Morgan:Right. So let me bring Nancy back into this. I mean, the defence case, you know, I read it in detail to try and get my head around exactly what's happened here. And they said that following the birth of a third child, that Clancy spent months seeking help from multiple hospitals and outpatient programmes for worsening severe insomnia, depression, intrusive thoughts and intense brain fog. In the three months leading up to the tragedy, clinicians had prescribed a revolving cocktail of heavy psychiatric medications, antidepressant sleep aids and antipsychotic, which expert witnesses suggest exacerbated a manic episode rather than treat it.

50:51Piers Morgan:And her own personal diaries and notes and journal entries detailed an increasing desperation, where she talks of feeling disconnected and resentful of how her older children were impacting her time with the baby. She said, I want help, I want to be well, I'm a great mum, I love my kids. Now, we know how this ended. It ended in the most appalling way imaginable, with her killing her children and trying to kill herself. But there are, like I say, there are many people who feel not only that she is a murderess, but that actually there's something very distasteful about these many women turning up outside court, treating her like some kind of heroin.

51:31Piers Morgan:What's your view? Well, as we just heard, Tiffany, like make excuses for a mom who murdered her kids. Like, why is it somebody else's fault? Why is it the healthcare system? Why is it her doctors? Why is it the woman who put her hands around her children's tiny necks and strangled them? It took six minutes each, and she shoved their faces into the floor of her home when she did it. And there were others that testified to psychologists and psychiatrists that said while she was prescribed those medications, she did not take them. And I say all this because I've got a pretty conservative viewpoint on the Lindsay Clancy murders.

52:04I had postpartum with my second child and like almost every other mom who has postpartum. I didn't murder my children. It is very difficult. It is very harrowing. But if we're going to give postpartum the get out of jail free card for any mommy murders or kids, then by that same logic, we have to say to any mom who is diagnosed with postpartum that maybe your kids should be taken away. I have been appalled and disgusted and completely grossed out by the shocking interviews of the Lindsay Clancy pink mob going on TV and saying they, too, would harm their kids. I think this is crazy what's going on.

52:41I can't make sense of it. the supporters. Basically, these women are fawning over Lindsey Clancy's attorney, figuratively giving him fellatio every time he walks into the courtroom and, you know, just fawning over a woman who murdered her kids. And there's very little sympathy. And this mom blamed her husband, the man that walked home, came into the house to see and witness three of his children dead. I just that to me, this thing is crazy. There's going to be a hung jury. A jury is supposed to be impartial. And you saw two or three of the female jurists walk in yesterday with pink shirts on, I guess, in solidarity with Lindsay Clancy.

53:18To me, this is crazy talk. And at some point we have to get back to what are our values? Do we value life? Do we value or do we value murderers? To me, I can't make sense of it. And I think that the support is absolute insanity. Like, where was the support when Irena Zarutska got murdered or when we had women that were murdered by illegal aliens or raped by them? Where was the sympathy in that? It just didn't exist with these, quote, feminists.

53:44Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, Anna Kasperi, I think it's a complex case. I don't think it's a straightforward, easy thing to assess. But I... Rather like with Luigi Mangione, after he, you know, killed and murdered the healthcare boss, something about the hero worship of people that do despicable things. So whatever your argument about Lindsay Clancy, it was a despicable act to murder her three young children. That should be inarguable. The hero worship in modern society, fuelled by social media, I think, of people that do these things, I find that regardless of the merits of the individual case or the trials or whatever, that aspect of it is incredibly distasteful, isn't it?

54:26Ana Kasparian:Well, we have a problem in our culture, And I think that culture is a symptom of the fish rotting from the head down. When you have a government that consistently justifies the mass slaughter of children abroad, as Congresswoman Nancy Mace just did, well, then that communicates to the American people that, hey, maybe the lives of children don't matter all that much. Maybe you can find a convenient excuse to justify killing them. I actually happen to agree with Nancy Mace on the issue of Clancy. I don't think that we are going down a good road when we start making justifications for health issues or hormone imbalances leading to the killing, the brutal, vicious killing of three innocent little kids.

55:13Ana Kasparian:And I see the same type of commentary kind of playing out when it comes to our foreign policy, and I find it all disgusting. In the case of Clancy, though, if we're going to start making justifications due to things like postpartum depression, which is serious, it isn't something that people should take lightly. However, as the Congresswoman noted, it is true that many women suffer from postpartum depression and they don't carry out these violent acts, including murder. I think that, you know, if we start making these types of justifications, what does it mean when it comes to young men who might have, let's say, unusually high testosterone levels?

55:49Ana Kasparian:Are we going to start justifying them going out and harming women, beating women, potentially sexually assaulting women? Well, he has high testosterone. You know, we did a levels test and we saw that it was high. So what could he do? He couldn't control himself. I just think that we need to be careful in the way that we talk about these issues, because literally we're discussing children's lives. And, look, I don't know how the jury is going to rule on this, but so far it seems like it could, you know, it could be a hung jury in the end. We'll see. I don't know.

56:20Piers Morgan:Yeah, and if it is, there'll be another trial. Carrie Prejean-Boller, I mean, you know, I think this is something a lot of women I've spoken to have violently different views about this. A lot of their views can be driven by religion, by the kind of lives, backgrounds they come from and so on. What do you make of this? I mean, I think it's probably too heartless to just say, well, she's just a cold-bellied killer and should be judged accordingly. And I think it's too generous to say, well, there's all these excuses and that's why we shouldn't punish her, right? To me, I personally sit somewhere in the middle.

56:58Piers Morgan:You know, I would not be unhappy if I saw a verdict of sort of manslaughter based on diminished responsibility. But there will be lots of people that hear me say that who go, don't be ridiculous. She murdered these children. What do you think? Yeah, I think if Lindsay Clancy was in an altered state of mind, if she was experiencing a postpartum psychosis, then, you know, culpability is at play here. And I think that it's so interesting how conservative women have just completely are supporting now the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, Lindsay Clancy was suffering. She was suffering tremendously.

57:35And now all of a sudden we're just in support of the pharmaceutical industry. There is serious questions here. There is serious questions. No one's in support of the pharmaceutical industry. She was missing seven Zoloft pills out of her prescription. She wasn't taking the medicine according to the experts. No one is supporting Big Pharma. I'm the last one to support Big Pharma. Okay. How much of the case have you actually been following up on, Nancy? How much of the trial have you been actually watching? I watch what I can and read what I can when I can. And you had people testify and there were media reports that she wasn't taking all the medication.

58:09So I think that has to be balanced in the conversation. And why blame a pill? There are millions of women that have. I'm not blaming the pill. If you stop talking and let me talk, if you stop talking and let me talk, I'll be able to finish what I was trying to say. What I'm trying to say is that I believe that she was experiencing a complete postpartum psychosis. I know women who have experienced actual tearing during childbirth that that causes extreme psychosis in women. And so we have to be having these conversations. Is it an excuse for her to kill her children? Absolutely not. The act of of killing those children was evil.

58:47But all I'm saying is that we have to have a broader discussion about drugs in this country and what these drugs are causing people to do. Period. Well, remember, remember, I mean, I would say, let me just say that I think I read recently

59:00Piers Morgan:that 80 % of the world's painkillers are consumed by Americans. If that stat doesn't worry people in America, it should. I do think America, America is by far the most heavily medicated country in the world. And I say that as somebody who loves America and loves Americans, I would be really concerned if those stats applied in my country.

59:21Ana Kasparian:um just finally to your point yeah just real quick a comment on that i didn't know that stat so thank you for sharing that with us but we have to ask ourselves why is it that so many americans are in such a terrible place in their lives that they feel that they need to turn well i would say

59:38Piers Morgan:i would say to that i don't think it's americans are in any worse place than people in the uk it's just you get handed out drugs like i mean that's the problem it is it is part of the culture I think, in America, where the first answer to everything is a lot of medication. And I think that's the problem. And you end up with a lot... You know, I felt this way, for example, about mass shooters in America who often tend to be young, disenfranchised young men sitting in, you know, their mum's basement, you know, playing violent video games all day, but they invariably are pretty heavily medicated, it turns out.

1:00:12Piers Morgan:Yes. Right? And I just think that heavy medication, particularly of more youthful minds in particular, can be extremely damaging. We've got to end it there. I want to ask Nancy very quickly before we end, a lot of people very concerned about you and your mental state because of the tattoo images you put out. A cry for help, a strident move for womanhood, a slip down into rock chick superstardom. Where were you going with this, Nancy? No, it's just I happened to be trolling people that had, I guess, a very visceral reaction to seeing a woman with tattoos. And I have made no, I've not hidden behind the trauma that I've been through over the last couple of years.

1:00:56And one of the ways that I have dealt with that trauma, like a lot of other women, is by artwork, is by the tattooing. It's something that got me through some tough times. I love my ink. And I don't, and I kind of love trolling people that the same people that were, you know, defending Pete Hegseth and his tattoos were then attacking me. And some of the folks that were attacking me have their own tattoos. To me, this has been around for thousands of years. I love it. Half the country, I think, is tattooed. Who really cares? And I'm getting ready to leave Congress so I can go sleeveless if I want.

1:01:28I cover up when I'm in my government job. But it's been a very liberating experience for me, getting them and showing them off. And there'll be more. And I'll tell you, Pierce, I've got more than nine.

1:01:40Piers Morgan:Really? No one really cares. No one cares. Well, I broke the Internet for somebody else. Actually, okay. Yeah, that's not completely true. I'm actually quite interested in Nancy's nine tattoos. How about you start criticising the Israeli government and their genocide in Gaza, not talking about your stupid tattoos? OK. Well, I'm going to criticise genocide everywhere, especially the killing of Christians. On that moment of panel solidarity, I'm going to bring things to a close. Thank you all very much indeed. Peaceful and our sense that is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing.

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