‘Made Themselves Villains of the WORLD’ Megyn Kelly on Israel + Trump’s Trade Deal

25:12Yeah. Finally, you've made a bit of news yourself as I walked in to do this today. You've just hired a good friend of mine who was brilliant in her previous role. Hope Hicks, the former Trump press secretary, is going to run your burgeoning global media empire. And it comes at a time, other than congratulations on a great hire, because I think Hope's fantastic. But other than that, there's a brilliant thing that's come out. Time magazine has released its list of the top 100 podcasters ever. These are the most innovative, influential, informative listeners in the history of podcast medium. Do you know who they didn't include on there, Megan, out of 100?

25:52Joe Rogan, who's probably the most famous podcaster in the history of the medium. The biggest. Megyn Kelly, Ben Shapiro, Brett Cooper, Candace Owens, Theo Vaughn, me. Nobody actually out there who does not tow the woke liberal line made the top 100 ever. And if a list ever laid bare, the obvious problem with mainstream media, it's right there. It's there. The combination of Colbert and his left-leaning late-night hosts and the fact that in a list by Time magazine of 100 top podcasters, A, they leave us out, but they leave Joe Rogan out, the number one podcast in the world. What do you think of that?

26:36Well, I think it's predictable. And it's funny because the left, when more honest, will lament how strong we all are and is constantly saying they've got to find their own version of Joe Rogan, of Megyn Kelly, of Piers Morgan. They've got to find their own. So wait, if we're so important and relevant that they need in order to win more elections to find their own version of us, how do none of us make the list? And I actually did look at this the other day because I found it so amusing. Do you sense any theme in the ones that they selected? The New York Times' The Daily. Here's one. Code Switch, unpacking race in America.

27:11Who hasn't listened to that one, Pierce? The Ezra Klein Show, another New York Post. Okay. Fresh Air from NPR, Pivot with Kara Swisher, Slate's podcast about Audiobook Club, This American Life. All of them are far left. And the woman who was the correspondent for Time who made this election focuses for her living on culture, society and gender. She writes extensively on feminism, diversity and the Me Too movement has written, for example, at length on the evolution of Barbie. That is how we did not make the list. And these other irrelevant people did. Wait, you know what, Megan? I've got a new book coming out in the fall called Woke is Dead.

27:57I look forward to discussing that with you on your increasingly globally renowned podcast when it comes out. Can't wait. I'm joined now by the founder of Outkick, Clay Travis, and by Crystal Ball, the co-host of Breaking Points. Welcome to both of you. Crystal Ball, let me start with you. The Democrats have just crashed to a new 35-year low in popularity. Trump has just announced a new trade deal with the EU, which is more advantageous to America than the previous deal. Are you prepared to give Trump any credit today? I will give him credit for humiliating the Europeans effectively. But in terms of delivering for the American people, I mean, remember what we were sold originally?

28:4590 deals in 90 days. How did that work out? And now we're going to have tariffs put on especially key pharmaceuticals coming out of Europe, not to mention European cars. So what you're likely to see is prices go up for your average working class American. So, no, for the American people, I think that this is not even close to a win. And reducing the number of people coming in illegally on the southern border from 10 million in four years to, I think it was 6 ,000 last month. You give him credit for that? He certainly has cracked down on the border, no doubt about it. But, you know, the cruelty of this immigration system.

29:21We're learning more and more about the men who were sent to Seacott with no due process, who were raped and tortured and abused. We're learning more about the conditions in Alligator Alcatraz. I mean, it's a horror show, which is exactly why the American people are revolting against all of his immigration policies across the board, even though that had previously been a strength for him. All right, Clay Travis, one of the problems it seems to me for the Democrats is their unwillingness to give Trump credit when he gets things right. The Trump dementia or derangement syndrome, as people call it, it is a real thing, isn't it?

29:58Because I think they would get so much better in terms of a relationship with Trump with themselves if they were just able to give him credit where he deserves it. Well, first, the last time I was on with you, Pierce, I think I said that I would dress as a full clown if the stock market in 18 months had not rebounded to where it was on Election Day. We are, as I speak to you right now, at an all-time high. I think you're right. And, by the way, I don't know if anybody else on that show who disagreed with me is willing to put on the clown nose, but maybe they should. I hope they at least didn't sell their stocks, despite the fact they were telling everybody else to do it.

30:34But yeah, look, Trump ran primarily peers on three things. He ran on the economy. He ran on border. He ran on crime. On the economy where record highs in the stock market, inflation is basically beaten down to about two and a half percent. On the border, as you just mentioned, there are no illegals coming in at all. We are deporting violent, illegal criminals at record rates. And on crime, it's not getting a ton of attention. But we are on pace in the United States potentially for the lowest murder rate, lowest violent crime rate in the 21st century if these numbers can hold for the remainder of this calendar year.

31:13I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD LOOK AT THOSE THREE THINGS AND NOT SAY, HEY, FIRST SIX MONTHS OF TRUMP, IT'S NOT A DISASTER. WE 'VE ALSO STARTED TO LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF WAR. THERE ARE LESS PEOPLE DYING. HE MANAGED TO DESTABILIZE THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT AND TAKE BACK THEIR CHANCES OF GETTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS WITHOUT A SINGLE LOSS OF LIFE. I CAN'T THINK, PIERCE, IN MY LIFE, I'M 46, OF A BETTER SIX MONTHS' PRESIDENCY THAN WHAT WE 'VE SEEN FROM TRUMP SO FAR. Where would you criticize him, Clay? If I were going to criticize him, it would probably be that I think on the Epstein case, I think that they totally overpromised and underdelivered.

31:53And I think it has knocked them off their stride. I think Pam Bondi with phase one on the binders, whoever okayed that, it was a colossal misstep that has created a mess of their own creation that was unnecessary. and that they could have addressed in a more succinct, honest way with the public. But if you take that off the calendar, I think you can say, look, the Senate has not moved as aggressively as they should have to confirm his judges. They're not moving at a very good pace there. I think you can address issues on that front. But I think in general, if I were giving him a letter grade, I'd give him an A, maybe not an A plus, but an A.

32:36And again, I think it's the best first six months of any president in my life. Well, Crystal, what grade would you give Donald Trump? So let me just clear up for your audience. I am not some liberal Democratic sycophant who capes for the Democratic Party and can never give Trump credit. In fact, in his first term, I actually supported the tariffs that he put in place because I thought they made some sort of sense. This term, there is virtually nothing, maybe changing like the pressure on the showerheads, that executive order, that I can get behind. And I'll tell you why, Pierce. First of all, his major, quote unquote, accomplishment at this point is the big, beautiful bill, which will strip health care away from millions of people in order to fund a tax cut for the people who need it the least.

33:21Second of all, the level of fascistic cruelty with regard to the immigrant population here is more horrifying than I ever could have even anticipated. Deploying military in American streets, rounding up people at Home Depot, sending them off with no due process to a slave labor camp. Are you kidding me? The idea that this is a peace president. Hey, I thought he was going to solve the Ukraine-Russia crisis in a day before he even got into office. That's still ongoing. No changes there. We have backed and funded an absolute campaign of starvation and horror in Gaza. And we started a new war with Iran.

33:57So on every single level, this presidency has been a chaotic horror show and a disaster. And the people who will be hurt the most in this country are the very working class people that Trump claimed and lied to support. So I give him an F across the board. And again, I am not some Trump deranged. I've given him credit in the past. I said it was good when he went and talked to the leader of North Korea. I said it was good when he met with the Taliban to try to negotiate a deal. But he never actually had the stones to pull out of Afghanistan. But in any case, he's a disaster this time. I could not in my wildest dreams have imagined how terrible this administration would be and how quickly here only six months in.

34:40Do you know, out of interest, Crystal, how many people Barack Obama deported in eight years? I know he deported a lot, Pierce. But here, do you realize this, though? Clay said something earlier. He said, oh, we're deporting record-breaking numbers of violent criminals. Look, I'm fine with deporting violent criminals. The reality is that's not what's happening. Actually, the proportion of violent criminals that we are deporting is far less. Why? Because ICE agents have been told, stop chasing after the gang members. Stop going after the criminals, because that takes time, that takes energy. Instead, Stephen Miller says go to the Home Depot, go to the 7-Eleven, round up the mom, round up the grandma, round up the person who is going through the asylum process and actually doing the proper things and hasn't done anything wrong and shipped them off to Seacott.

35:26It's disgusting. And that's why there's truly a revolt against it from the American public. I mean, the backlash against immigration policies is striking. That wasn't actually my question. Are you looking for a beach read this summer? May I suggest your big wireless bill? It's got suspense, mystery, a slightly flat emotional arc, and a shocking twist where you realize you've been overpaying the entire time. Fortunately, though, Mint's story is better. Every plan,$15 a month, even unlimited. That's it. Happy ending. Zero tears. Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of$45 for three months,$90 for six months, or$180 for 12-month plan required.

36:04$15 per month equivalent. Taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. See terms. Yeah. What is your question? Well, do you know how many people Barack Obama deported in eight years? He deported millions of people. I'm not here to simp for Barack Obama. I think he had a lot of cruelty in his immigration system as well, which I said at the time and have said afterwards as well. Okay, that's fair enough. Clay, in this immigration policy that Trump is prosecuting, I completely think what he's done on the southern border is brilliant. It's great for America.

36:43It's great for security. He's completely stemmed the flow of people coming in there illegally. And everyone should agree to that. I also completely agree, and I think most Americans would completely agree, that the strategy that he set out to do of deporting people who are here in the United States, undocumented, and then commit a crime, I don't hear any Americans demurring about that. They're like, OK, fine. If you commit a crime and you're here and you're undocumented, you leave. Where the problem comes, and Crystal hit on this, I think, there's something, it feels something very un-American about ICE patrolling Home Depot to find people who may have been there 10 years, may have had kids in the United States, may be paying taxes, doing an honest day's work, who may be here undocumented, but who actually are contributing to American society.

37:33Do you not have a problem with those kind of people being rounded up in the way they are and shipped out of the country? Tom Homan says there's 20 million illegals in this country right now. We know Joe Biden let in around 10 million in his four years, which is an unprecedented stem of illegal immigration. So the first thing Trump had to do was shut down that flow. Second thing he has to do is start to reverse it. And this year he is starting to reverse that process. I think it's unfortunate. But when you break the law, sometimes there are going to be stories that are important to get back. In the same way when you were in Venezuela and somebody got on the phone and they said, hey, if you come to America right now, they'll put you up in a hotel.

38:16They'll feed you. They'll give you Wi-Fi and you get to stay in Manhattan and you're living in squalor in Venezuela. Do you think that encouraged millions of people all over Latin America, those kind of phone calls to make the trip to America? I think it did. And at some point, American generosity was being taken advantage of and actual American citizens don't have the resources that they need. So sometimes daddy has to take control and you have to sometimes be mean. And I think that's the way that the Trump immigration policy has to go, because the phone calls have to shift from, hey, you can stay in a four star Manhattan hotel and get taken care of on American taxpayer dime to, hey, they're looking for people who are here illegally.

38:58don't come and maybe even consider going back. And historically, the way that immigration worked in this country when illegals came in was they came in seasonally and then they walked back, basically traveled back to Mexico and still had lives there. What's happened is people have stopped going back to their country's origin at all. And we can't be. I would ask to Crystal or anybody else, OK, you think it's being too mean. What's the number of illegal immigrants in this country that would be too many for you. For Crystal, for anybody else out there, for me, 20 million is too many. For a lot of Democrats, I think 100 million wouldn't be enough.

39:37So where do you draw the line? If you're breaking the law, sooner or later, there have to be consequences. So can I just... Well, that was a good question. And Crystal... Yeah, Crystal, yeah, answer that. I want to address a couple of things about that. So first of all, I'm probably more permissive of immigration than your average Democratic Party member. I know there's this idea that Democrats are open borders. That's obviously preposterous. But I believe, and I think this is borne out by the data, that immigrants overall are good for the country. Now, that doesn't mean that there isn't a limit to the number of people that you can reasonably absorb.

40:11Exactly what that number is, you'd have to get an expert to study and to be able to say. But there's something honest about what play is saying here, which is basically like the cruelty is the point. We need to make an example of people. It needs to be a horror show. That's exactly why you have these grotesque ASMR videos of deportations, all this like fascist, fascist theater of marching everybody through the park, the intentional cruelty at Alligator Alcatraz, the shipping of people to Seacod, where again, we now know that there are reports of rape and torture and abuse. Yeah, that is all an intentional part of the policy.

40:47So I appreciate the honesty about that. The dishonest part is there's always this rhetoric about, oh, well, we've got to take care of our people first. Oh, we've got to make sure that American citizens are taken care of. Bullshit. This president just took healthcare away from 17 million people. He's cutting food assistance to millions of people. And you expect me to believe he cares about your average American citizen. This trade deal that you guys are so hot on is going to jack up the prices on pharmaceuticals, on medicine, for your average American people. So, you know, where is the current concern for the American citizen here?

41:23It's all just about scapegoating an immigrant population and saying they're the reason. They're the reason for your pain and your problems, when in reality, it's the very oligarchic class that Trump himself represents and serves and protects with all of his actions, including the protection of the Epstein files, by the way. OK, well, let's just pivot, if we can, to Gaza. Megyn Kelly earlier, Clay, was saying enough is enough. Whether you supported Israel at the start of this, as she did and I did, this has gone on too long. It's too painful. The disproportionate scale of what is happening now is turning Israel into a global pariah.

42:06And I completely agree with that. I just feel like someone like me, who has always supported Israel, has a lot of Israeli friends, Jewish friends. Every day this continues with all these images coming out of Gaza now, starving children and the endless civilian deaths are being recorded every day. The worst this gets for Israel and I think for the security of Jews around the world. And it shouldn't do, but it is. Do you agree, Clay, that the time has come, that this is brought to an end? Well, I think Hamas is a suicide cult. And the problem is they're not behaving in a rational fashion, which I think is what President Trump has kind of just thrown up his hands about, is they see the destruction of Gaza and the suffering of their people as good for them politically because of what you just laid out.

42:56There is no rationality associated with their decision making. So how do you negotiate peace with a suicidal cult? I think that's the challenge that Israel has found itself in the midst of. And I think there is no good solution at this point in the wake of what they did on October 7th, which basically created the seeds of their own destruction. And I think the analogy here is you can either go to Pearl Harbor or you can go to 9-11, where you had a sneak attack that initially appeared that it was going to be profoundly successful that actually led to the utter destruction of the people who engaged in the sneak attack.

43:36And if you go back and look at what happened to Japan or you go back and look at what happened to everyone associated with al-Qaeda in the wake of 9-11, it's been an unmitigated disaster. I think ultimately pierce the challenges. I think everybody wants there to be less kids dying. I think everybody wants there to be peace in the Middle East of rational, good, sound mind. The problem is Hamas is not a rational, sound actor, and they are, in fact, a suicide cult. So how do you negotiate with them? But I truly believe they see this as politically beneficial to them. They're restricting the distribution of aid to the people who need it.

44:10They're sometimes killing people when they're trying to take it. So I think we're in a position whether it's the United States or it's Israel. The problem, Clay, the problem with that is, as a New York Times reporter at the weekend, there is no actual proof that it's Hamas that has been preventing this U.N.A. getting through to the Gazans. I believe the evidence is pretty clear that Hamas is not acting in the best interests of the people that are living in Gaza. And it's profoundly unfortunate. Well, that is indisputable. political will. That is indisputable. I'm talking about the issue of the aid.

44:49And the truth is nearly a thousand or maybe more than a thousand now, Garzans have been killed in these lines, you know, waiting for aid. And the reality is that the vast majority have been killed by the IDF. And the IDF says, well, we're firing warning shots or people were moving towards us in a THREATENING WAY OR WHATEVER IT IS. THERE'S ALWAYS SOME EXCUSE. WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, DO THAT, AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. AND THE TRUTH, THIS IS WHY ISRAEL'S REPUTATION IS PLUMMETING AROUND THE WORLD, BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THOUSANDS OF STARVING GAZANS, POPULATION OF 2 MILLION WHERE HALF ARE UNDER 18.

45:26THEY'RE STARVING HUNGRY. WE'RE SEEING A MACEY 80, YOU KNOW, WE 'VE GOT THE 40TH ANNIVERSITY OF LIVE AID. THESE ARE SCENES REMINISCENT NOW OF WHAT WE SAW IN

45:38This is a win for Israel. It just, it just, every day, Israel's reputation is damaged. I think the challenge is how do you end it? And I think the challenge is if you don't have a rational political actor on the other side. This is so ridiculous because they still have hostages. They don't give a shit about the hostages, Clay. They're starving the hostages. They're bombing the hostages. The hostages have been emotional blackmail. It's a lie. They admit they don't give a shit about the hostages. Ask the hostage families. Ask the hostage families about how much Netanyahu cares about the hostages.

46:15Listen, Clay, listen. You ask, how do you negotiate with Hamas? Guess what? The Trump administration can answer that question because they did it. They negotiated a ceasefire. And guess who blew that ceasefire up? Guess who blew that ceasefire up? Guess who blew that ceasefire? It wasn't Hamas. It was Israel and greenlit by the Trump administration, which has allowed Bibi Netanyahu and his psycho far right ministers who are openly announcing that their plan is complete starvation and ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip. That is their plan. It's not a mystery what's going on here. They had to engineer over months, over years at this point, a complete famine over the past 24 hours.

47:0214 more people have starved to death. Do you know how hard it is to starve an entire population? So your but Hamas bullshit is so tired. Israel never, oh, they could never be in the wrong. It could never be that they intentionally want to have a final solution here and cleanse as they do. And they have no interest in the people of Gaza. it. Hamas is not. Okay. Smotrich, who is an Israeli minister, just announced there should be no aid sent into Gaza, just shells. That's it. They have openly announced their plans to ethnically cleanse the entire Gaza Strip. Is that okay with you? Are you okay with innocent women and children who are not Hamas?

47:49Babies who are starving before they even say their first word? No one wants innocent people to die of rational mind. Then why are you running cover for them? I'm not running. Why are you running cover? Yes, you are. Obviously, you are. You just lied about Hamas stealing the aid and trying to kill people who are getting aid. What a bunch of lies and bullshit. This is the idea that we don't have the ability to call to it. The Israeli military said that's not true. The ability to call for evil. The Israeli military said that's not true. Do you think Hamas is evil? I think killing innocent civilians is evil.

48:25And I'm willing to say it when it's Hamas who did it on October 7th. And I'm willing to say it when it's our government funding the genocide of the Gaza Strip. There's a difference between intentional terroristic killing, which is what Hamas did, and trying to negotiate peace with terrorists, which is what Israeli leaders are doing. What makes you think that the Israelis are intentionally negotiating peace? There is no sign of that whatsoever. None at all. Only safe place in the Middle East where you have basic human rights is material. Clay, do you think that just all of the Gaza Strip being turned into rubble, churches, mosques, hospitals, pools, all being destroyed?

49:08Oh, it's just an accident. It's just an accident. As many different places as they can. Hamas is to blame for all of it. Please. Oh, please. This is so tired. No one believes this anymore. Let me jump in. Your own party doesn't believe this anymore. Let me jump in. I would make the point, Clay, that I totally agree with everything you say about Hamas. But the problem is Israel should be better than Hamas. Israel should show more humanity. This is the challenge. Well, here's my point. Here's my point. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East should be showing the world what humanity actually looks like.

49:49They shouldn't be replicating the lack of humanity that Hamas show. Everybody knows Hamas are a inhumane terrorist organization. For Israel to behave in a way that appears to be as inhumane towards starving children, innocent women being killed in huge numbers. all of this happening. This is inhumane. And I don't think it suits Israel's purposes, either in getting rid of Hamas, which they can't appear to do, getting the hostages released, which they can't appear to do, or in enhancing their reputation around the world. It's having the opposite effect. And so I say, as a friend of Israel, enough.

50:28You've got to stop this. You know, I messaged Netanyahu today on X and said, you've got to start starving children. You have to. Otherwise, the end result for Israel will be catastrophic. I think the challenge they have is the minute they step out of controlling and patrolling Gaza and trying to, in some way, keep Hamas from coming back into power, the people who live there are going to allow Hamas to return to power. And so there needs to be, in my opinion, a solution that removes Hamas from leadership in Gaza for all time, if that means that you have to bring in other Arab countries that are also opposed to Hamas, which is many of them now, and thanks to a weakened Iran, there is no supplement that is going to continue to uplift Hamas in Gaza.

51:17That, to me, feels like the long-term solution. Can I say something that can be helpful in that? Okay, I want to just hang on. Crystal, I want to just put on. This is important. Very quickly. In the last in the last peace negotiations, Hamas agreed to step down from political leadership. They they agreed to that in the peace negotiations. You can check Jeremy Scahill drop sites reporting on all of this. And the Israelis said, we don't want that. Bibi Netanyahu has loved having Hamas there. He flew to Qatar to make sure that they were still getting their money because he always wants to be able to say there is no partner for peace.

51:54So let's deal in facts and reality here. The Israelis have decided they want to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip. That is the plan they're putting into place. They're announcing it, Clay. You don't have to believe me. You can listen to them. Listen to what they're saying. Starvation plan. If they were, they could have killed the two million people immediately. The head of Mossad. The head of Mossad. If they wanted to. You know what I actually think? I actually think, if I could jump in, Crystal, if I could jump in, I actually think, Clay, when you listen to what Smodrich said three weeks ago on camera, he made it absolutely clear what he wants, which is to, in his words, cleanse Gaza of Palestinians.

52:35I now watch them pushing the Palestinian population into a smaller and smaller part of the Gaza Strip. They've demolished 70 % of it, making it uninhabitable. I think it is crystal clear now that there is a movement in the Israeli government to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza and move them into neighboring Arab countries. And some of them are saying it openly. And the actions on the ground suggest that is exactly what they want to do. And I say that as somebody who, when people said this was the real plan all along, I used to...

53:12I think they want to get the Palestinians out of Gaza now. And if they do that, it is a war crime and it's ethnic cleansing. Anyway, we've debated Gaza. Let's just move on quickly to something a lot lighter, I hope. But it may be contentious in its own way. Are you a golfer, Clay? A poor one, but yes, I love to golf. Well, let's take a look at Donald Trump golfing in Scotland and see if you spot anything untoward.

53:49Now, what you actually saw there was the second caddy dropping a ball out of his pocket. Let's have a look at it again now that we know that. You see him there. He's the guy in the red there. Now, watch. Out comes the ball and down it drops. So Trump then plays the ball dropped by the caddy. Now, a lot of people have said clear evidence that President Trump cheats at golf. I have a different perspective on this. He, when he's not playing competitive golf, i.e. at his club or whatever, he tends to go around in about two hours. As a golfer for many years, you can only do that if you're basically doing what Trump is doing there.

54:29And I'm told that what he does when he's playing for fun with friends or his kids or whatever, is that the caddies carry the balls. If he's in a bad position, in the rough, in a bunker, to save time, they just drop a ball nearby and he plays on, which I don't have a problem with, if that's what he's doing. What do you think? Look, I love when I'm out on the golf course. There has never been a time where I've been on the 11th or 12th hole and not thought, I wish this round was over. 18 holes of golf takes an interminable amount of time. If you're playing every ball where it lies, if you're recording every shot.

55:07Look, if it's the Open in Britain, if it's the U.S. Open, if it's the Masters, yes, assiduously record every shot. But that rough, if you hit it in the rough, you could spend, you know, this 30 minutes looking for your ball. Or you can just say, well, it went in here. Let's just play one here and we'll go ahead and hit it. Everybody has played with a guy that refuses to just drop. And it's miserable because you all have to go look for his ball. And then it's like, oh, no, that title is three. Oh, that's a title is one. That's not me. Buddy, it's not the U.S. Open. Let's go ahead and keep this train moving.

55:43And Trump plays fast. he plays rapid. I think that's the best way to play golf. Frankly, 18 holes is too long. They should, everybody should just play nine or 12 and call it a day. So I got no issues here. And Crystal, I would imagine you would be delighted that the president of the United States, as he approaches 80, is getting two hours of healthy living and fresh air, but isn't taking the usual four hours for a round of golf, which would mean he would spend too long not working for the American people. You must be thrilled by this. I am old enough to remember when Trump himself would criticize Obama for being away from the office on the golf course at all.

56:21I haven't looked at the stats, but the number of days that Trump is. Although, to be honest with you, you know what? I would rather Trump be away and not like locking people up in Seacott. So go ahead, play some golf. And I just will say I am also a golfer and a bad one. And I also cheat all the time because I'm not hitting it out of some horrible situation. Nobody has time for all of that. But we ought to look at his record and how he somehow always wins his own club championships, but not on other courses. It's a little suspicious, Pierce. That's all I'm saying. Well, I know a few golfers, Rory McIlroy, amongst others, who played with Trump and said he was very good and played to a six handicap and no cheating.

57:01So I take people like Rory, who've played with him, who said that. But I haven't played with Trump. I want to play golf with him. Then I can announce to the world what really goes on. Thank you both very much indeed for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.