“Mamdani Should Be ARRESTED!” NYC Mayor vs ‘War Criminal’ Netanyahu | With Nancy Mace

20:43Senate. There's nowhere else to go but the International Criminal Court, and that's why he's pushing this. This isn't actually about Israel. Ultimately, it's about undermining American sovereignty.

20:55We're not talking about crimes against humanity. This is not about Trump. I saw the little cute. But it depends. But ultimately, this is about messaging to the world what we represent as Americans. Do we provide cover for modern day Nazis or do we actually want to bring those Nazis to justice? And unfortunately, the world that we live in today, where corruption is baked into our system and foreign lobbying groups have the ability to buy off our politicians, we get dragged into wars ON BEHALF OF ISRAEL, WE GET IMPLICATED IN THE WAR CRIMES THAT THEY COMMIT, AND WHAT MAMDATI IS TRYING TO SIGNAL IS THAT THERE ARE AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH THIS, THERE ARE AMERICANS WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED AS PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO ARE ACTUALLY AGAINST THIS, THEY CAN'T BE BOUGHT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO UNILATERALLY ARREST NETANYAHU.

21:47IT'S ABOUT MESSAGING AND BASICALLY MESSAGING WHAT OUR VALUES ARE AS AMERICANS.

21:52Piers Morgan:OKAY, LET ME BRING IN... Hang on, Janet. I want to bring in Caroline. She's not had a chance to speak yet. Donald Trump said on Monday Netanyahu will not be arrested. He wrote, Benjamin Netanyahu will not be arrested in any way, shape or form while in the United States of America. He's fighting against the Islamic Republic of Iran, which recently killed 52 ,000 innocent protesters and has spent the last 47 years killing American soldiers and others. The only ones who should be arrested are the people that led Iran into this unprecedented spiral of death and destruction, something that should have been dealt with years ago by previous presidents.

22:23Piers Morgan:So what is your view of this? Hey, great to see you. Great to see everybody. You know, I envy Israel because I think Netanyahu does one hell of a job of putting Israel first and getting larger, more powerful countries to subjugate their own interests to align with his interests. And I wish I had people in my country that were doing the same thing, because maybe then we wouldn't be in the most unpopular war in our country's history. that the president refuses to call a war. As of yesterday, he called it the Iran military conflict. You know, is Netanyahu a war criminal? Maybe, maybe not. I still believe everybody in my system is innocent until proven guilty.

23:03So that would mean that he would have to go to trial and he would have to go to the International Criminal Court. Let's play it out, right? Let's say he gets a trial. But he's not going to do that, is the point, isn't it?

23:14Piers Morgan:He doesn't recognise it either. He thinks it's a load of trumped-up charges. for political reasons. So he's saying, I want nothing to do with the ICC. America doesn't recognise the ICC. So it's very hard to see how, given those two situations and those two positions, he would ever face a trial by the ICC. I mean, he'll just refuse. Yeah, and what I worry is that it'll just create a political martyrdom effect, where I think the better solution here is what I want is peace and justice in the Middle East. And I think the best way to get that is to withdraw US military aid to Israel. Israel cannot wage war, and it cannot commit war crimes without the aid of the US military.

23:57And right now, Netanyahu's not very popular inside Israel, is my understanding. Not too popular of a guy. Well, the interesting thing, actually,

24:05Piers Morgan:about his poll numbers is personally not very popular, but his military actions against Iran, against Hezbollah in Lebanon, and so on, they are very popular internally. So there's a slight disconnect, and it may explain why he is so aggressively pursuing such an aggressive military strategy. It's that that gets him the polling numbers rather than anything he's doing domestically. Yeah, and that's where I say I worry that if there was ever to be any prosecution of Netanyahu, you would create a martyrdom effect within Israel where you would just essentially get a younger version of him at some point, which is what we've seen in Iran, right?

24:43when we took out the ayatollah they've had a rally around the flag effect martyrdom effects are are very real um but i think it would send an important message i'd like to see how popular the military action is once the u.s military aid is withdrawn as a result of overstepping boundaries i'd like to see how those poll numbers do but i think right now yeah sorry to the point of sovereignty yeah just just to finish though you know we might not have control to your point over what goes on in the International Criminal Court. But what we do have control over is a bill that's in the U.S. Congress right now up for a vote suggesting that the United States military and the Israeli military merge.

25:21And I don't see any reason for that to happen. I see that only benefiting, again, Israeli interests, not American interests. And Benjamin Netanyahu, war criminal or not, is very good at getting a much larger, more powerful country to subjugate its own interest to his, and that should not continue.

25:37Piers Morgan:Well, he certainly is, Anakasperin, from one big country, and it happens to be the biggest country in the world, which is the United States. And, you know, look, the thing with Netanyahu, he's even avoiding a trial involving personal alleged criminal conduct by using the warfare he's engaged in as a constant reason to postpone the trial. So this is a very seasoned, skilful, ruthless and cunning political operator at work here. But where do we go from here? I mean, it's all very well Mamdani saying all this. Trump has now said it's never going to happen federally on his watch. So where does that accountability come?

26:16Piers Morgan:It's not going to come, I don't think, internally in Israel, unless potentially he takes a huge beating in the election, which is not by any means certain. The poll numbers are quite close there at the moment for a number of candidates, and he's still right in the mix, so he could easily win again. But where does the accountability come if he simply says, you know, two fingers to the ICC? I don't care.

26:41Look, this is going to sound a little woo-woo for some people, and that's fine. But I've already accepted that we do not live in a just world, and it's very likely that he wouldn't suffer any consequences in this lifetime. But if you take a look at his recent appearances, he's very sick, you can tell. He's lost a lot of weight. He's pale. I know that he had some bout with cancer. He claims he's conquered it. I don't believe him. And I think that behaving as an evil person who devalues human lives, who uses acts of war in order to skirt responsibility for corruption charges, that type of evil eats away at you from the inside.

27:24And I think that's what we're seeing with his public appearances lately. I mean, he has a raspier voice every time I hear him speak. And so I've kind of made peace with the fact that maybe it's not going to be real justice in the tangible world that we live in. Maybe the justice is actually going to be carried out on a much deeper level. But I will say this. I totally agree with what Caroline just said. I think the best thing that we can do as Americans is really consider what we want our values to be, what we want to project out into the world and what kind of alliances we want to forge. I think questioning our alliance with Israel is a very important thing to do at this moment, especially considering the fact that we are currently losing American service members fighting a war on Israel's behalf.

28:12And Israel's finance minister, Basilel Smotrich, was just on tape basically bragging about the fact that they've got us exactly where they want us. We are fighting their war for them. They're not dealing with strikes from Iran. They're not dealing with IDF soldiers getting killed. They're not paying for this war. bankrolling it like the American taxpayers are. And so he's happy to see this happen. This is what the Israelis wanted. They got what they wanted. And I think it's important for Americans to be honest to themselves about what's actually going on here. Because we're being taken for a ride, we're being taken advantage of.

28:45Right.

28:45Piers Morgan:How significant is Rahm Emanuel's position in this? Because here you've got one of the leading candidates potentially to run for president as a Democrat who has come out and said that the funding from the United States should stop for Israel. That's a big call by him. And he's got a powerful family, R. Emmanuel's brother, obviously one of the most powerful people in Hollywood. That's a very deliberate play he's making, I think. Could that be successful? I mean, is this the way the party's going? There's been reporting about Rahm Emanuel's family and their ties to the Irgun terrorists in Israel, which, by the way, terrorized my own maternal family members who fled the Armenian genocide for safety to Haifa.

29:30But putting that aside, I just, I don't trust Rahm Emanuel. I think that he thinks he's pulling a fast one on us. Some people are buying it. I'm not buying it. He's a huge Zionist, huge supporter of Israel. He knows that, you know, making these statements might help him with his 2028 presidential bid. He knows that it's not actually going to happen. We're not going to cut funding to Israel. So it's an easy trick, an easy way to market himself as something that he is not. He is not a peacenik. He is definitely a pro-Israel operative, and he will prove to be such if he's ever elected into public service ever again.

30:04Piers Morgan:OK, Jenna, the U.S. Defence Secretary, or he's the Secretary of War now, Pete Hegseth, told the Senate on Tuesday that the U.S.-Israel war on Iran so far cost$37.5 billion. That's from February 28th to July 22nd. Now, per day, that is$260.4 million a day. Per hour,$10.8 million per hour. Per minute,$180 ,000 per minute and$3 ,000 per second. So even as I say the words, Caroline Sunshine, what is your reaction to that? I've probably incurred another$10 ,000 in American public costs for a war that the American public do not want to be happening. They didn't to start with. They definitely don't now.

30:57Piers Morgan:I still am scratching my head about how a president who, in his campaign to be re-elected, said that he didn't want to get involved in any more pointless Middle Eastern wars. He wanted America first, get the cost of living down and so on. How does any of this make sense? Yeah, it doesn't. And my first reaction is that's a lot of money just to close the Strait of Hormuz and enter into what is now, according to recent polling from The Economist, America's most unpopular war in our history. That's including Vietnam. So what's interesting is if you look at the president's true social post from yesterday, he too also has an awareness of how unpopular this war is.

31:43He sent out a tweet on Truth Social that I found to be insensitive, if I'm honest. I have a pretty high tolerance for what the president posts on Truth Social. I don't consider myself to be a snowflake. 99 % that's on there, good with me. But this one listed out, you know, America's wars, everything from the Korean War up into this current war. And it listed out the death totals of how many soldiers we lost in each conflict. and then it didn't call the Iran war the Iran war. It called the Iran war the Iranian military conflict. But you know why they do that. Which is interesting. You know why they do that.

32:18Piers Morgan:They do it because at the moment they call it a war, they have to get congressional approval. And in fact, to be fair to Trump on this particular point, no American president since World War II has called any military action a war for that reason. So Obama didn't. No one does, right? Clinton didn't. that they don't do it because that way they can avoid having to seek prior congressional approval. Yes, and I also think it has to do with the president understanding where public sentiment is. If this was a war that we were winning, if this was a war that was popular, I think the president would be happy to be the wartime president.

32:55You know, he's the producer-in-chief. He sees himself as the star in a movie. He would be happy to be that. But even he has an awareness that this has gone on a lot longer than the four to six weeks we were promised.

33:05Piers Morgan:Well, actually, Jenna Ellis, it was two to three weeks, then it was four to six weeks, then it was two months. It's all been completely different to how it was sold to the American people and indeed to the world. Pete Hegseff argued that the Pentagon was now running low on cash to keep this fight war going. And he's asked the Senate Appropriations Committee for nearly$67 billion more to continue the effort. Let's take a look at a clip. Mr. Exef, you're requesting roughly$68 billion for the department through the supplemental, correct? 67, yes. You said on day 14 Iran's military had been, quote, destroyed and, quote, made combat ineffective.

33:52Yes or no, was that an accurate statement? What the American military has done to the Iranian military is a historic military defeat. and they're ineffective in that context.

34:04Piers Morgan:I mean, you know, they tangle themselves up in this because of all the false promises and pledges that simply haven't been met by reality and continue to be not met by reality. But honestly, Jenna, this idea that the American people, you know, after four months of this war that was supposed to last just a couple of weeks, may be in the hook for, what,$100 billion at a time when gas prices have never been high? I'm going to California at the end of this week. And, you know, I'm told that gas prices are like twice as much as last time I was there in October. How does any of this make sense? And politically, it's so damaging for the Republican chances in the midterm, surely.

34:46Well, you can blame Gavin Newsom for that. I live in Florida where our gas prices are actually OK, thanks to Governor DeSantis. But I would much rather the Senate appropriate money to go to keeping Iran away from nuclear capability than funding Arab Sesame Street. I mean, this is exactly why Doge was so deeply popular when Trump first retook office. Hold on, let me finish. That's a bold claim. What evidence do you have of that? Let me, let me, let me finish. What evidence do you have? I would rather, I would rather have this. That Iran has nuclear capabilities that they're pursuing. What's the evidence of that?

35:16The point of, the point of this mission overall from the beginning that was deeply popular was to prevent Iran from getting nuclear capabilities. And that comes directly from the Department of War. And so while we can debate what is the ongoing objective...

35:32Piers Morgan:How does that square with the President of the United States a year ago at the end of the 12-day war announcing to the world that the Iranian nuclear program had been put back, his words, decades? It turned out it wasn't even eight months. And then suddenly we're supposed to believe the Iranians were about to attack with a nuclear weapon within days, weeks. That's why there was this urgent sense of a need to attack. None of that makes sense. How can it go from being put back decades with this incredibly successful 12-day war and then within eight months, we have to launch a fully-fledged war? Well, I don't think it's a fully-fledged war, but I think that intelligence, of course, can change.

36:15What would you call it? I think he's right to call it a conflict. And the longer that it continues... It's a war. The more that Americans... But we've also been told it's been going on for 47 years. It's a 47-year war. How many times have I heard that talking point on television? The fact that intelligence can change is the fact that the Secretary of War said that the intelligence changed and we have no evidence to the contrary to disbelieve that the Department of War thought that there was a national security threat. And when our government is telling us that Iran... There's been zero evidence.

36:44All 18 U.S. and... I'm just curious what your source is. Have you looked at everything? Have you looked at everything that the Pentagon has seen? Were you sitting in this situation? Don't talk over each other because we can't actually hear either of you do that. So the point, though, is that while we can debate the ongoing conflict or war, whatever you want to call it, yes, Congress hasn't specifically declared war. But you're right, peers, of the history of the American history of this. I don't think that actually the president needs to have congressional approval at this point for it. But we can debate those ongoing issues.

37:14But the fact that this is still a matter of national security, the fact that this appropriation continues, it may, to your point, affect the midterms unless the White House can message this. But I disagree with Caroline in this respect. I don't think that President Trump actually wants to be a wartime president. He wants to be the peace president. What he actually thought he could do was to go into the Iranian government and actually negotiate this memorandum of understanding that clearly didn't happen. Because Iran calls the United States the great Satan. I don't think that that and that one particular point, I disagree with the administration that that was ever a possibility.

37:48Piers Morgan:So, Janet, out of interest, if the sole mission statement, And the mission statement has changed dramatically in the last few months. But let's assume for a moment's sake that Donald Trump's, you know, when he says it was all about the nuclear capability, stopping them having a bomb. OK. As far as I last checked, the Iranians still have every single piece of their enriched uranium. All of it. None of it's been secured. So what does victory look like to you? If they maintain the enriched uranium, they keep it. if they maintain control of the Strait of Hormuz, if the Ayatollah who was killed has been replaced by his son who's even more hardline, if the IRGC remain in a tight grip on their country, which is why no-one's been rising up to protest, if all those things are still in place when the United States pulls out of this, would you say that the war, the conflict, whatever you want to call it, has been a spectacular failure?

38:48Piers Morgan:Because I'll play this tape back to you. when that moment happens. Right. And I have long been an advocate of saying that the initial conflict and going in to ensure that Iran does not have nuclear capabilities is a matter of national security. And again, we can continue to debate whether the ongoing conflict is appropriate, and I'm not sure that it is. I have been asking that same question on my daily radio program. What is the objective? Right, but if it ends with the Iranians keeping all their enriched uranium and their regime in place, and the Ayatollah simply replaced by his more hardline son, and there are no protests, and they have control of the Strait of Hormuz.

39:28Piers Morgan:Would you accept it's been a terrible failure? I would not say that that would be the appropriate conclusion, which is probably why we are still engaged in this conflict, to ensure that we don't leave Iran in that situation. But the entire point here of there has been an assumption on this panel, going back to Netanyahu, that he is actually guilty of war crimes and that he needs to face justice and accountability. For what? For defending his national sovereignty? Well, you know, there's one way... You know the reason I think he might be? Just a little hunch I have. Your anti-Semitism is disgusting.

40:02Piers Morgan:Sorry? Anti-Semitism is disgusting, yeah. Right, right, right. But criticising Netanyahu... No, no, she called me an anti-Semite, by the way. Well, criticising Netanyahu's government. You think I'm an anti-Semite, Pierce? No, I don't, no. Oh, because I'm criticizing someone who's responsible for the mass slaughter of innocents of an anti-Semite? I don't know if you really want to perpetuate that message. That's not a great message. You're literally marketing that anti-Semitism is a good thing. You know the one way to resolve this? No, when you argue that you're an anti-Semite for criticizing someone who's carrying out mass slaughter, you're making anti-Semitism a good thing.

40:40Piers Morgan:Honestly, Jenna, the whole shtick of accusing... No, I'm not assuming. I'm just not a moron like you are. Hang on, hang on. The whole shtick, honestly, of accusing people who criticize Netanyahu's government of doing bad things, if you do, you're anti-Semitic, is bullshit. And I'm kind of done with that. But what I'm also done with is that Netanyahu is still preventing any members of the foreign media, international media, international press, from going into Gaza, despite this supposed ceasefire now being in place for many months. There is no reason other to me that he doesn't want the world to see what they've done in Gaza.

41:18Piers Morgan:If you want to exonerate yourself from the charge of committing war crimes in Gaza, let's keep it to Gaza for now, then let the international media in to do their jobs freely, not embedded with the IDF, because there's a ceasefire. There shouldn't be any risk to journalists. Let them do their job, and then we can all decide, based on their reporting, whether there's been war crimes. And the reason that he doesn't... Do you think that someone who is like Anna Kasparin would ever be unbiased to actually go in there? The reason Netanyahu won't let people in freely... Do you think he'd be unbiased, Jenna?

41:51Would you be unbiased?

41:52Piers Morgan:I believe war crimes have been committed, and that is what will eventually be uncovered. We shall see. But what other reason could there possibly be for not letting the media in? But the assumption... Because they are biased, and the assumption... Well, they're biased. Somehow Israel is situated differently than any other country across the world who can defend themselves. Even all of us sitting here saying America first is actually a good thing, like what Caroline Sunshine said. Well, what about Israel defending its own sovereignty? And that's why I say it is anti-Semitic to somehow suggest that Israel is the only nation.

42:25It's very successful. It's subjugating. OK, OK, listen, we've run out of time.

42:30Piers Morgan:Final word to Caroline on that point. Well, Israel has an absolute right to defend itself. But if those goals don't align with the goals of the American people and the American government, the American people are not obligated to subsidise those goals. Israel absolutely has a right to defend itself. We are not obligated because of that right to defend it. Exactly. OK, we've got to leave it there. Thank you all very much indeed. I appreciate it. That's why elections matter. They certainly do. And there's some big ones coming up. But thank you all very much. Well, someone who will have a say on whether Pete Heggseth's plea for more money for the war is successful or not is Republican Congresswoman for Colorado, Laurent Bobert.

43:06Piers Morgan:Welcome back to Uncensored. Pierce, thanks so much for having me again. Pete Hexth wants$67 billion more to add to the$37 billion so far spent on this non-war in Iran. Your reaction to that? Yes, well, actually, the number is much greater than that. Pete Hexth doesn't just want$67 billion. He wants$350 billion as soon as possible and a total of$1.5 trillion. So this is actually a much larger price tag, but this is overall for our military capabilities to remain the largest military power in the world so we can have peace through strength. I'm not one of the members who is propping up the war that is going on in Iran.

43:51I also can trust our military, our military leaders, and our president to do the right thing over there, but I certainly am of the mind that I want this to come to an end. I did not vote for new wars, more wars, never ending wars. And I want this resolved as quickly as possible. I was proud of what happened in Venezuela or even earlier last year in Iran with Operation Midnight Hammer. And I was hoping we could just solve things with quick in and out combative measures like that rather than weeks and months of actual war. But right now we are coming up on the vote for the National Defense Authorization Act.

44:35And this is something that may not even have the votes to pass. We did have a procedural vote on the rule that allowed the NDAA and other bills to come to the floor last night. We offered amendments to the NDAA. And there are still members who have issues. I have an issue with Section 219. And this the very controversial issue of merging or what is being perceived as merging our military with Israel's military. This is something that I believe the Senate has already removed from the NDAA. So it's not a vote that we should even be taking here in the House. And now leadership is promising that this Section 219 will be removed when the bill is conferenced between the House and the Senate before it is sent to the president.

45:25Piers Morgan:I noticed that you repeatedly said that you've had months of war, but of course the president and the administration do not categorise what's been going on as war. They call it conflict, because if it was a war, they'd have to get congressional approval, which they don't have. So are you now telling us that it is a war? I believe that this is a war. I believe that it has been categorised as a war. I was also under the impression that it's now a new war. Hang on. I understand. Yeah, but, Lauren, if it was a war, and they're very careful not to call it war, which is why it's interesting that you have, they would need congressional approval, which they don't have.

46:01So there is a 60-day grace period, and so I'm under the impression that the president has classified this as a new war, and he has another 60 days before that grace period ends. So certainly there is a conflict. I don't believe that it is everyday war. I do believe that there are negotiations that are happening, but I would like to see an ultimate end. I know that our people have done tremendous jobs at working with Iran and Israel to bring this to an end. Even Vice President J.D. Vance has been out talking about the negotiations that he was involved in, expressing his frustrations.

46:43Piers Morgan:It's all been a complete disaster, hasn't it? I don't disagree. I don't love it. I am here for the America First agenda. I'm not being critical of the president, but I am being critical of... Why wouldn't you be critical of the president? It was his idea. He ordered the troops in. He ordered the strikes. I mean, why wouldn't you criticize him? And I'm not OK with that. But also, I'm going to allow the president, who likely has more information than I do, on this issue to do what he's doing. I do not want to see more of our service members harmed or killed. But they're going to be. An absolute disgrace to lose their lives.

47:23And I would love for this to come to an end. Again, we're voting on the NDAA this week, and hopefully that brings some sort of a resolve and not just funds more of this conflict or war.

47:36Piers Morgan:Let's switch gears. Let's talk about the New York mayor, Zoran Mamdani's, call for Benjamin Netanyahu to be arrested for war crimes. What is your view of that? Well, the mayor of New York City needs to work on New York City. Socialist Mayor Mondani is actually doing his best to flip our entire nation into a socialist nation. You have Democrat socialists who are now winning congressional elections, three who won in New York, as you know, one who took out a 30 year incumbent in Denver, Colorado, and is is coming in to usher in this. What's that got to do with Netanyahu? Well, I'm saying that this is his ultimate agenda and him talking about Benjamin Netanyahu, someone he's clearly not a fan of.

48:26He made that clear on the campaign trail. He's going to say other things to make a splash and distract from his failing policies in the city of New York. While New York is soon to go bankrupt, I can almost guarantee you that with his policies and the crime, of course, that is there. But he needs to focus on New York and not other countries and other leaders. Again, I'm not here to give praise to Benjamin Netanyahu or any of the conflicts that are going on. I was critical of Zelensky in Ukraine over the years and still am. And, you know, these aren't my leaders. These aren't the people that I voted for.

49:11And I would love to get to a place of putting our country first.

49:15Piers Morgan:Just finally, the Tate brothers, Andrew and Tristan Tate, were arrested in the United States in the last few days, and the UK has asked for them to be extradited back to the UK to face a number of very serious charges involving all sorts of sexual crime. There's been a debate raging on the Conservative right in America as to whether they should be extradited or whether the Trump administration should intervene because people on the right believe this may be politically motivated. What is your view? Well, I'm not versed on the extradition laws there. I have heard the Tate brothers' case. I know that they have been raided multiple times.

49:56I know that they have been released. And I don't know the details. I don't follow them that closely. However, I will say that I have been one of the few members of Congress who has been loud and vocal and actually took action to expose those who are guilty of sex crimes. I was one of four Republicans to release, force the release of the Epstein files. There are congressional slush funds that I voted numerous times to release to the public so the American people can see these sexual deviants and the sexual inappropriateness that goes on within the halls of Congress and elsewhere that has been covered up.

50:40So if they are guilty of sex crimes, absolutely charge them to the fullest. I don't know their case well enough to speak to that. I'm not here to be the bedroom police. I was here to get more water storage in Colorado, protect our farmers and ranchers, and develop more of our good, clean, reliable energy from the Rocky Mountains. and now here we are talking about all the creeps in America and elsewhere and I would really love to get back to a place of actually legislating and serving the people that elected me to do so.

51:14Piers Morgan:Lauren Boebert, always good to have you on Uncensored. Thank you very much. Thanks, Piers. Well, for more on New York Mayor Zoran Mandani's threat to Benjamin Netanyahu, we're joined by Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Danon. Danny, welcome back to Uncensored. Thank you for having me, Piers. So the mayor of New York City couldn't be clearer. He believes that Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, as he puts it, the architect of a horrific genocide against the Palestinian people. He wanted to be able to arrest him if he came to New York City. He's been told that that is outside the purview of the New York mayor's office to do that.

51:51Piers Morgan:But he's called on the federal government to join the ICC and execute this warrant. I want to be very clear, he says, Netanyahu is not welcome in New York City, nor is any other war criminal at large. What is your reaction? With all due respect, Peel, who cares about what the mayor of New York thinks? You know, he should take care of the garbage of New York. I don't know, you are in London, I'm in New York. It's horrible, the situation here. He should take care of the education in New York and not trying to play that he's the Minister of Foreign Affairs or the President of the US. He's the mayor of New York, period.

52:26It's a stunt. You know, I think that Mayor Mammdani should be arrested. He will not be arrested. I think he should because he supports terrorists. You should look at the way he actually spoke about Hamas terrorist. He said he was a journalist. A few days ago, he sent his commissioner to meet with the Iranian ambassador to the UN. At the same time, with the American soldiers fighting this evil regime. So, you know, he can say whatever he wants. But the U.S., you have the rule of law. and according to the rule of law, the US is not part of the ICC. That's why Prime Minister Netanyahu will come to the US, will speak at the UN, will address the General Assembly.

53:08It's a political stunt in order to distract from the main problems of the city. And it's not the first time you see politicians using Israel as a distraction. That's what he's trying to do.

53:20Piers Morgan:Do you think he's anti-Semitic, the New York mayor? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I don't know if you can show it to the audience, but, you know, a few weeks ago, he spoke about Jewish organizations and he called them monsters, monsters that used black money. You know, that's language of a mayor. You know, when you elect a mayor, you want him to make sure that he's actually making the life better for the people of his city. How is it? How is it, Mr. Ambassador? How is it if he is so anti-Semitic in your estimation? And he would absolutely, of course, deny that. But if he is, why is it that one of the reasons Mandani got elected was that so many younger Jewish people in New York, which has more Jews living in the city than any city outside of Tel Aviv in the world, that they race to vote for this guy?

54:08Piers Morgan:Why would Jewish people vote for a guy who you think is anti-Semitic? Because most of the people who voted for him, they didn't vote for him because of his opinions about the Middle East, about Hamas, about Iran. they voted for him because he promised them a better life, affordable housing, he promised free buses, a clean old city. That didn't happen. So those issues for him, you know, it's about time to deal with the promises he gave to the public that voted for him. It doesn't matter if they are Muslim, Jews or Christians, and not deal with foreign affairs. You know, but you see, you see the videos he put out.

54:47I think for him, it's more interesting to speak about Netanyahu and Hamas and Iran rather than to speak about the busts and the problems of the city.

54:58Piers Morgan:Earlier, I spoke to Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace. She said that the Jews that voted for Mandani in New York were self-loathing. Would you agree with that? You know, I respect the democracy. You know, Israel is a strong democracy. One of the reasons we are so close to the American people because we have a real democracy. So I respect, you know, he won the elections, Mayor Mamdani. He got the overwhelming majority because he was a stronger candidate. He had a great campaign. But what about the point that any Jews who voted for him are self-loathing? Would you agree with that? I don't want to give, like, points or grades to people who voted for him.

55:38I think they have to look at his actions and the expectations are not met. And I think people are disappointed, not only the Jews who voted for him, by the people in New York, because they see him dealing with issues he shouldn't be dealing with. And, you know, talking about the UN, you know, you have an agreement between the US and the UN that basically anyone is allowed to come to the UN. And, you know, if you look at the history of the UN, you know, leaders who were dictators came to the UN to speak. Ahmadinejad spoke here, Mohammed Gaddafi spoke here, Arafat spoke here. So all of a sudden, the mayor thinks he will start to decide who will come to the UN or not.

56:17It's not going to happen. You know, he knows it, but I'm sure I can tell you for sure that he will continue to speak about Netanyahu until he will leave back to Israel after his speech.

56:29Piers Morgan:Which, out of interest, given the abuse which has come the UN's way from many Israelis and members of the government and from American administrators and politicians, and given the same to the ICC, which international jurisdiction in terms of law does Israel respect and would listen to? I mean, who do you listen to other than yourselves? Anyone? Absolutely. You know, we are a member of the UN and it's not only Israel that is not respecting the ICC, also the US and other countries. And on Friday, we're going to have a discussion at the UN, in the General Assembly, about Karim Khan, the prosecutor, who actually charged Netanyahu.

57:19And we're not going to speak about what he said about Israel or the IDF for Netanyahu. We will speak about sexual allegations of this same prosecutor. So it's not a real court. It is a show. They care about publicity. We will continue to work with the UN. We will participate in the debates in the UN. But like the US, we are not taking part in a court, which is a theatre. OK.

57:44Piers Morgan:Are you 100 % certain that Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered no war crimes? Absolutely. I can tell you that because I was there. I was there in Israel. I was a member of the parliament. I participated in many meetings. And I can tell you that no one can blame Israel for committing war crimes. On the contrary, we lost the lives of hundreds of young Israelis because we tried to minimize civilian casualties. The war took us for so long. You know, you look at the pace of the war because we wanted to minimize civilian casualties. So the last thing somebody can blame us is for committing war crimes. But, you know, that's part of the anti-Semitism.

58:28You know, it's legitimate to criticize Israel. But you have to apply the same standards when you criticize Israel. And you could have said other countries. But if I can remind you, Israel lost 1 ,200 people on October 7th

58:43Piers Morgan:in an absolutely horrific terror attack. But it's believed that Israel's response has been to kill 73 ,000 Palestinians and to kill nearly 4 ,000 people in Lebanon now as well. No one can quite tell us exactly what the split of terrorist terrorist stroke combatant to civilian is. But a huge number of civilians are known to have been killed in this. And what people say is that, yeah, Israel keeps saying we don't target civilians, but by targeting your alleged terrorists, people you believe have committed acts of terror against you or want to, you are killing a vast amount of civilians. And that is one of the reasons why Mamdani said what he said and why Israel's popularity has been plummeting?

59:35Piers Morgan:Well, you know, I think we had this debate in the past, you know, about the numbers. You know, we don't think we can actually agree about the numbers, but you can agree about the intentions. And the intention of the Israeli government and the Israeli military was not, and will never be, to arms civilians. We take precautions. We ask the population to move to another area. We send them text messages. We give them weeks to move to safer places where they can meet humanitarian aid. So if someone is doing all of those actions, it's not about committing a war crime. It's about defeating terror. If you've done nothing wrong in Gaza, why is there still a ban on international media going in there freely to do their job, given there is a supposed ceasefire?

1:00:23Piers Morgan:Well, first, you know, reporters do go into Gaza, not freely. They don't operate freely. They go in with the IDF embedded, so it's controlled. So there is an ongoing ban on all international media operating freely in Gaza. Why? Well, we discussed that in the past. I told you that we care about the safety of the journalists. I know you will tell me now, you know, you shouldn't care. We take their own responsibility. Well, they do. It's not your job to worry about their security. And also, you've managed to kill over 200 Palestinian journalists. I don't think the welfare of journalists has been uppermost in the minds of this Israeli government, with all due respect.

1:01:01Well, I'd like to differ with you. I don't think that most of those people were journalists.

1:01:05Piers Morgan:How many were journalists and how many were not journalists? Many of them were supporters. How many? How many out of the 200? I think it's 220-odd. How many of those were actual journalists and how many were terrorists in your eyes? No, we did it in the past. We cannot go into the numbers. Do you know the answer or not? Mayor Maldani, a few weeks ago, spoke about one of them, and he said that he mourned the death of a journalist... No, no, but how many of the 220 or so... We checked the fact and we found out... How many of the 220 or so journalists have been killed? A record number of journalists.

1:01:37Piers Morgan:He was a sniper of Hamas, and we showed the picture of the guy. Mr Ambassador, with respect, a record number of journalists have been killed in Gaza by your forces. How many do you believe, of the 220-plus who have been killed, were actual journalists? I believe it. And how many were terrorists? I believe that most of them were active Hamas members, participated. Some of them actually entered Israel on October 7th. So, you know, when I see the picture of someone entering our communities on October 7th to take pictures on a motorcycle with a Hamas terrorist, I don't consider them a journalist. He's a terrorist first.

1:02:14Piers Morgan:So why don't you let the media in and they can find out the truth about all of these stories? well as i told you you know we allow we get in but we coordinate that and i think you know today when you look you know you there is no limit of information you have people in gaza taking pictures and actually why don't you just let the journalists in like like you would in any other case where there's a ceasefire why wouldn't you what are you hiding because because it is not safe and at the end of the day israel will be blamed if something will happen to those Well, Israel will be blamed if it turns out they've committed war crimes.

1:02:50Piers Morgan:And the only way to find that out, actually, is if it's investigated properly by the media in a free way. But at the moment, you refuse to let them do that. And that, I'm afraid, becomes increasingly suspicious and, in my eyes, increasingly damning. If there's nothing to hide, let the journalists in to do their job and let the world find out. Let me give you an offer, please. Maybe you want to come to Israel, see the humanitarian aid that is going into Gaza every day, you know, hundreds of trucks, and you are welcome to come and see part of the area. What I'd like is I'd like the world's top independent journalists who work for reputable organisations, be it Associated Press, Reuters, CNN, BBC, whoever it may be, establish war correspondents, let them in, all of them, to do their job freely on the ground and work out whether your claim that there have been no war crimes committed is true.

1:03:44Piers Morgan:And the longer the Israeli government refuses to allow them in to do their job, the suspicion will grow that it's because you've committed war crimes. And that's the reality. That's ridiculous what you are saying now. Not really. No, it's actually very common sense. No one is blaming Israel for committing war crimes today. No one. No one because there's no war in Gaza today. You have a ceasefire and you have aid coming in. How many people have been killed in Gaza since the start of the ceasefire? The UN put a statement last week that it is Hamas which is not fulfilling the Board of Peace decisions, not Israel.

1:04:21So nobody's blaming us for a war crime today. You know, the lies about the genocide and war crimes were when we were actually fighting in Gaza against Hamas. Well, I've got to say, a lot of people are dying in Gaza

1:04:33Piers Morgan:given there's supposedly a ceasefire. Anyway, we've run out of time. Ambassador, I always appreciate you coming on Uncensored. Thank you very much. Thank you. Peace Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.