“More Painful Than Surgery!” Piers Morgan TORCHES Beckhams + Kanye Apology & Blake Lively Texts

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0:29Piers Morgan:Imagine the scenario, an ungrateful son born into a life of immense privilege, turning publicly on his fated father, a pampered wife whose recollections seem to vary from those of the posh matriarch, an iconic British family unravelling in an ugly public spat. Well, for once, it's not Harry and Meghan. The saga of the Beckhams has gripped the internet in my brief absence, and I thought we should get to the bottom of what is really going on here. Here to give their take, uncensored contributors, Esther Krakow, comedian and commentator James Barr, and the host of Popcorn to Planet, Andy Signor. Welcome to all of you.

1:07Piers Morgan:Everyone's been talking about this. I was having to endure this as I lay in a hospital bed on morphine, having fractured my femur, and I determined, after about an hour of people talking about it, it was the only thing I could think of that was actually more painful than fracturing a femur and having a replacement hip was the Beckham family saga. But let's try and break this down a bit. Esther, my take is this. The Beckhams, the family, led by the parents, if David and Victoria could preemptively sell their death to Netflix for a 10-part series and bring the kids into it, they would, right? They are the single most commercial money grabbers I think I've ever seen in the history of celebrity, and that bar is very high.

1:56Piers Morgan:So they've been utterly shameless. They sold their wedding, they sold their gristenings, they sold their baby pictures, and so these kids were brought up into a world where everything was commercialised. And I can imagine that that has inevitably, along with their gigantic fame, it has a corrosive effect on them. However, there are lots of kids that grow up to famous parents, including ones who do deals to sell stories, magazines, interviews, whatever. And they don't all turn out to do what Brooklyn Beckham has done here. And I just think what he's done, very similar to Prince Harry, right? He's met and fallen in love with an American woman where they may have a different outlook about this kind of thing, who seems to have with, I don't know how, but has wrestled him away from his family over back to America and then all hell's broken loose and now we've got a complete estrangement.

2:56Piers Morgan:The parallels are obvious, as I detailed in a monologue there, but from my point of view, therefore, as a father of three sons, for example, all hovering around Brooklyn's age, I was with them at the time the other day, I would be so enraged if one of them had the brass neck to do this, given the whining in that statement, the entitlement, the victimhood, all of it from a boy who's had the silver spoon from the day he was born, pretends to be a photographer, can't even get a bloody elephant in focus, which is miraculous, given the size of an elephant. They're very difficult to photograph here.

3:36Piers Morgan:He makes sandwiches and calls himself a chef but can basically cook a sandwich and beans on toast and so on. trading off the Beckham name like Harry trades off being a royal. So the parallels are there. They're different stories, but the common theme is, you know, handsome young son meets American woman, gets wrestled back to America. Next thing, whole family estranged. What's happening? I have this theory that American women that marry into prominent British families are like a secret nuclear weapon, and it's a form of terrorism, domestic terrorism, that is being imported onto the British Isles because this always happens.

4:17I think in the case of Brooklyn, he's so ungrateful. This is someone that tried to convince people when he was moonlighting as a chef that they should boil pasta with seawater because somehow people want brown floating things in their pasta. And he's only been able to do that because his parents, as much as he doesn't like the fact that they are, they have commercialized their name to the high heavens, have been able to give him that kind of platform. Now, I know that the Beckhams, like, they speak money first. I mean, David Beckham got in trouble during the Qatar World Cup for volunteering his commentary, and members of the LGBT community was like, oh, he's an icon, why is he doing this?

4:55Homosexuality's illegal. Because money comes first. And this is something people need to understand about the Beckhams. Anyone who's been in their orbit knows that that's what matters. But at the end of the day, being a Beckham has awarded or afforded Brooklyn Beckham all these benefits. And I'm sorry, all of his grievances are quite pathetic. So what if your mum was shaking her ass at your wedding? Okay, she hasn't done this since the Spice Girls. Give her some grace. If she wants to grind Pondi Dancefloor or grind on you, she can do that. She gave birth to you. Like, he's just, his grievances are so pathetic.

5:25And the reason why I have to draw parallels with Prince Harry is because they have no grace with their family. It's kind of just this grievance economy they exist in. If someone makes me a little bit upset, I can't have a high tolerance threshold for my family, which is effectively the first tribe, is the only tribe that you ever really truly belong into because you're bonded by blood. So it's just this kind of entitlement where he thinks, oh, yeah, I'm not going to speak to my parents anymore because my mum was whining Pondy dance floor at my wedding. Get over it.

5:51Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, James, you know, when I read this statement, six pages of stuff on Instagram that's spray-gunning his mum and dad, and about the first dance, there's a lot of conjecture about whether it was even the first dance. Apparently there had been an earlier one. I think I know the flashpoint. from everything I've read, but he says, in front of our 500 wedding guests, Mark Antony called me to the stage, he was DJing, where the schedule was planned to be my romantic dance with my wife, but instead my mum was willing to dance with me. She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone.

6:21Piers Morgan:I've never felt more uncomfortable even though I did my entire life. Hey, really mate, you've never been more uncomfortable than your mum having a bit of fun with you, dancing at the wedding. I think the flashpoint is that Mark Antony introduced and said, I'm now going to bring up the most beautiful woman in the world, I think is what he said. Well, the most beautiful woman in the room. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Was it in the room? Posh is pretty hot, though. Nicola Pels was obviously... She'd obviously already started to move and then realised to her utter horror it wasn't just not her, it was the mother-in-law.

6:55Piers Morgan:I know. That is guaranteed. So my friend, in fact, Tony DJed at the wedding and you probably saw his statement on it And he said that, yeah, it was really awkward and a bit inappropriate for everyone, but not because of the dancing, not because she was grinding up against Brooklyn, but because the whole point of it was that it was going to be the first dance. And then Mark Anthony obviously made this joke, invited Victoria up for this romantic Latin dance and was telling Brooklyn where to put his hands. That's not nice for anyone. But if there's already a rift there between Nicola and Victoria, which it sounds like there was, that is going to really hurt.

7:29and then Nicola left the room and then Brooklyn eventually then left the room. It just sounds really awkward, to be honest. I find that so offensive what Esther just said, by the way. I love you so much, Esther. Describing an American woman entering a British marriage with a man as a nuclear bomb is crazy. I think what's actually happening in terms of Meghan and Harry and Nicola here is that Americans do a lot more self-work, right? like I think it's fair to say that Americans know that what words like boundaries are British people are sort of a bit more stiff upper lip so when it comes to an American woman entering like she's meeting a British man she's teaching him words like boundaries and so he's learning how to respect himself which quite frankly he needed to do because as we pointed out

8:17Piers Morgan:okay let me bring in Andy I mean there were lots of things that Brooklyn said which I can quite believe you know um it was a whole shenanigans around the dress apparently victoria cancelled making nicholas dress in the 11th hour uh we don't know why brooklyn said these parents have repeatedly pressured and attempted to bribe me into signing away the rights to my name i can quite believe that they have a battery of lawyers want to control all image rights for themselves their family he says that he and his wife had traveled to the uk for sir david's birthday but rejected for a week as we waited in our hotel room trying to plan quality time.

8:54Piers Morgan:It all sounds completely absurd but then all family disputes when they're aired in public always sound absurd don't they? Have you noticed because they're so deep these things blow up after years and when they get exposed to when people when you hear about your friends right think about friends who've been through terrible family bust-ups they always sound slightly mad. I think these things send them all mad um he said brad beckham comes first this is the bit that really i thought resonated family love decided by how much you post on social media i've been controlled by my parents for most of my life i grew up with overwhelming anxiety for the first time in my life and stepping away from my family that anxiety disappeared this sounds like harry but you know harry's anxiety has not disappeared he's not found a better happier more enriching life he's back in court in the UK at the moment, suing another newspaper group.

9:44Piers Morgan:You see, the one I used to be with. He's got this pathological thing about the media, whilst, as everybody keeps pointing out, aggressively invading the privacy of the royal family for money whenever it suits him, right? So there's complete hypocrisy there. But putting that to one side, where's your sympathy here? I mean, the interesting American angle to this is the Peltz family are worth billions. Nelson Peltz is a billionaire investor, her father. You know, there is a theory. They're trying to kind of slightly flex their financial muscle, pull rank, show the Beckhams what real wealth looks like and so on.

10:20Piers Morgan:But is it simpler than that? Is it just that there's an American-British thing here which just doesn't work, that we just shouldn't marry each other? I don't know if it's that. I mean, rumours are Harry is now coaching him, Pierce. That's what I've heard. But what shocks me is the fact that, yeah, look, this guy, most people are lucky to have one dream achieved. This guy's had like eight achieved, all sponsored by his parents. So I'm not going to doubt that being a Beckham is hard. I'm not going to doubt that brand Beckham is important. You couldn't have all those dreams without brand Beckham.

10:55You got to just bow to the crown or bow to the brand. That comes with the territory. And I do believe there's trouble there. But do I have empathy? No. There's so much bigger things happening in the world. and the fact that he's on Instagram and he can't spice up his life with his mom at the dance floor is absurd to me. This is a guy who's making hot sauce. He needs to spice it up more. He needs to be okay with this. It does feel like I just can't stomach anybody who will go public and trash their parents. Unless their parents are abusive, unless their parents are, you know, abuse them in some way, there's no excuse to go out there and tarnish them and hurt the brand that built you.

11:34Piers Morgan:yeah and but also there's the hypocrisy of them wanting to continue the brand which he will do aggressively if he thinks anyone's buying his pictures as a photographer or buying his sandwiches because he's anything other than a beckham he's living in cloud cuckoo land uh he's got 15 million uh wherever he is followers on instagram and so on all this is is residual fame from his parents and it's you know he's on a human level it's incredibly so I couldn't think of anything worse than if one of my kids disowned me like this. But actually, the only worse thing is doing it publicly and trashing it.

12:08Piers Morgan:You glossed over Pierce, though. You glossed over Pierce. He is caught lying because you were like, oh, some of this stuff could be true about the dress. It's important. He's caught lying about that. She was in Vogue magazine talking about designing that for a year, her dream long wedding dress. And he puts that in as one of the prime examples. So how can I trust anything else he said when she's clearly she had four dresses, I think, for that wedding at various parties. So how can we believe anything he's saying if he's going to lie about the dumbest things, such as the dress, which clearly was not an 11th hour cancellation?

12:38Well, as Her Majesty once said, recollections may vary. And although there are different stories about the dress, I do think if he's experienced what he says he's experiencing, it's okay for him to say, I don't want to be part of this anymore. And that isn't him using the brand. Yeah, but on Instagram, and if that's, I'm sorry, his tolerance threshold is pathetic. These grievances are not like, someone was sexually assaulted, there was some sort of massive fraud that took place, oh, she didn't design my fiancé's wedding dress, oh, she was grinding on me at my wedding. Get over it. Are you serious?

13:08This is indicative of the kind of generation we're living in. It's actually... Yeah, I agree. I agree.

13:14Piers Morgan:It's also... Yeah, also, it's hard to think of anything nastier to say about your mother than what he said about Victoria. Basically accusing her of being a bit perverted and sort of abusing him in some sexual way at his wedding. I mean, it's really revolting, actually, what he did. I want to bring in somebody who knows Brooklyn Beckham better than we all do, that's for sure. It's someone who probably has a better insight in that dynamic in that family, particularly Lady Victoria, because she was romantically attached to Brooklyn when they were both young teenagers. It's Talia Storm, the singer, who claims she was Brooklyn's first love and joins me now.

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14:58How are you? Well, good.

15:01Piers Morgan:So for those who don't know your important role in the history of the Beckhams, you dated, I think, Brooklyn for about 18 months in 2014. Is that right? OK, so that's actually not true. I can't escape this Brooklyn story that has been going on for, like, 10 years now. And I'd like to think I'm here as a broadcaster and I've definitely done my air miles now, but we were friends when I was younger. And it was definitely my first crush. I was the first of a girl spotted with Brooklyn, for sure. But the way that this has kind of attached to me ever since then is insane. But with that, I feel like I'm definitely going to stand here and be like, the compassion I have for this man, because I know that I am irrelevant to this story.

15:430.2%. I'm not a part of this family dynamic and I know how everywhere I go, you know, I'm presenting at the BAFTA red carpet, going to the Grammys tomorrow. The first question is, Brooklyn, Beckham's, how do you know them? How was it? Like, so being in that as a first-hander, i.e. Brooklyn and any of the other siblings, I can imagine comes with tremendous amount of pressure.

16:05Piers Morgan:OK, well, OK, so let's get to the nitty-gritty then. Did you actually date him? Yeah, when I was 16. So call it what you want. It was a long time ago, but we were kids. So nothing comes from your kids. Sure, sure. Hang on, just to be clear, I'm not making some sort of terrible allegation. I said you were like a teenage crush, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like a little fun teenage romance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know, I know. That's fine. That is fine. And look, don't get me wrong, I did have a crush on him. And I was that first girl that supported him, which I think is why they still bring me into this often.

16:38but to be very clear by the first time I ever met Victoria and I met David I was Talia Storm the 13 year old who opened for Elton John so I wasn't just like a random girl like they were kind they were welcoming they were lovely to me and at the time I had nothing bad to say I was actually performing at a lot of Eva Longoria's balls and I know that came from a good word from Victoria so I feel like I had the seal of approval because I had my own thing going on like whether or not I was you know friends with Brooklyn or hanging out with Brooklyn I already had a two-book deal with Scholastic. So I had my own thing on, which I was proud of.

17:12But, you know, when it comes to now, the big 2026, and I'm 27 years old, and I definitely don't think about that family, so forgive me for being slightly defensive, is the fact that that is the first name that comes up no matter where I am in the world. I'm literally going to LA tomorrow to present on the red carpet at the Grammys, and it doesn't matter what I do. It's Brooklyn.com. So the only thing I will say is, I was listening to the debate, you guys all having a go at him. He didn't choose to be born into that family. He was born into that family. Yes, it comes with incredible amount of privilege, but he's still a young boy finding his feet now on the other side of the world with his soul mate, with his new lady.

17:48He's not that young.

17:49Piers Morgan:He's not that young. Yeah, but I know... I've got a 25. I've got a 25-year-old. I've got two younger brothers, and let me tell you, they have got a long way to go. I'm 27 and I'm only finding my feet now, and I've been at this since I was 13. Like, and men take a lot longer to mature. So I think now he's finally finding that voice and that power to say hang in a minute I'm not this little show pony. I don't want to do all this and you know We contradict ourselves because one minute we're saying we don't have it in him next minute We're saying he he did take these photos of the elephants and he did do all these business ventures He absolutely did not.

18:19I'm sure that was an incredible team behind him making him do all these things But like the story doesn't really add up So we either think he's smart and he's done all these things that we own or we think it's brand Beckham And he's been forced into this since he was 10 years old. So it's like which one is it?

18:33Piers Morgan:So do you have any sympathy for him or not? I have an incredible amount of sympathy. I think, especially in the UK, we only have compassion for vulnerability when it's entertainment. But when a young man is just being vulnerable and saying, hey, this is how I feel, regardless of your opinion on certain lines, because certain lines are questionable, but you have to, from the human perspective, be like, this is a boy who was born into the spotlight, showing pain, let's have some compassion, let's have empathy, because I'm not going to lie. that doesn't make him look cool, you know? So that would have taken a lot for him to come out and say that.

19:07You know, they're the biggest, most iconic brand in the world. I'm sure he didn't just decide overnight, let me go and create a war with my parents. That's not kind. You know, and it's like all that money in the world, for me especially, when I'm building my brand and my personality, it's like my family is the most important thing I have.

19:26Piers Morgan:You know, but my problem with him, my problem is, he wangs on in this statement, you know, amongst all sorts of incendiary things. The problem with the family is you're all judged by what you put on social media. Where has he made the statement? On his Instagram page. But what do you want him to do? He doesn't have his own Piers Morgan uncensored. What is he going to do? Issue a statement through a press person like everybody else. But that's even worse. Then we would be here going, can you believe he's done a Beckham on a Beckham? My point... But my point being, he's using the very social media he's claiming to sow to test, and yet he's an aggressive user of it to promote himself.

20:04I don't think he's necessarily hating on social media. I think he's hating on the puppet master he's been born into. And, you know, you said there that he's got the 15 million followers because of the Beckham brand, but, you know, I don't think he's done really anything with that. And I'm sure if he tried, he really wanted to build something with that name, with what we're seeing here, and the privilege that brings, he'd have his own show now. He'd be entertainment. You can quite obviously see he doesn't care. He doesn't want to be...

20:30Piers Morgan:I think we're just seeing... Well, I think we're seeing the start of the campaign now. There'll be the book and there'll be the Netflix series and everything else. He's going to follow the Harry and Meghan playbook. You told an interesting story about how Brooklyn came to see one of your gigs early on in Hanover Square when you were very young and it was all sweet and innocent. Whatever. I don't care. You were just associated with him. It's fine. It was a little teenage romance. Who cares? But you were around the families, I think, an interesting point. And you said, Victoria sent a security team during the day to check the venue.

21:00Piers Morgan:I thought, it's not that deep, but OK. We went to the gig that night. Brooklyn came in with my sister as I was sound checking. And then when we left with the security, there were 20 paparazzi outside. Do you think they were told to be there? Yeah, well... And if so, by who? Since then, yes, they were. But at the time, I got such a fright because we'd been hanging around for ages. By this point, David had already dropped Brooklyn off at my house. I'd met Victoria in her pyjamas. It was all just lovely and no big deal. So when he came to the gig and he sent the security team at the start, that was already a bit off because it was like, like, like, we're chilling.