In short
The episode is a debate over an “Anti-Semite of the Year” shortlist and whether the criteria are being stretched to include people who criticize Israel. The hosts argue the list has expanded to “pretty much anyone” critical of Israel, while some panelists say certain nominees cross into antisemitic tropes or platforming violence.
Guests
Ana Kasparian (executive producer/host of The Young Turks; argues she’s criticized Israel’s government, not Jews), Jake Donnelly (pro-Palestinian “Red, White and Blue Jew”; disputes calling Miss Rachel antisemitic), Hen Mazik (Israeli influencer/author; claims Kasparian’s rhetoric contributes to harm against Jews), and Guy Christensen (pro-Palestinian TikTok influencer; says he won’t condemn a DC embassy shooting).
Key claims/examples
Miss Rachel (children’s YouTuber) is accused of “selective empathy,” sharing Hamas-celebrating guest Motaz Aziza, and using debunked/inflated Gaza casualty imagery; she responds she’s against antisemitism and cites Palestinian child deaths. The show also discusses the May 2024 Washington, DC shooting of Israeli embassy workers, with Christensen refusing to condemn it as terrorism.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Case Against Ms. Rachel
0:00 to 1:00
Discussion on the selective empathy of children's entertainer Ms. Rachel.
“For two years she's flooded her platform with one-sized children and when it comes to Israeli children she offers crumbs.”
Anti-Semite of the Year Overview
1:00 to 2:00
Exploration of the Anti-Semite of the Year nominations and their criteria.
“Nominees are making their case and rehearsing their speeches.”
Ms. Rachel's Platform and Controversy
2:00 to 4:00
Debate over Ms. Rachel's platform and the implications of her content.
“Yes, it's Miss Rachel, the massively popular children's YouTuber who teaches toddlers, amongst many other things, how to use the potty.”
Critique of Selective Empathy
4:00 to 5:00
Discussion on the implications of selective empathy in media representation.
“dissuade me from speaking the truth about what's going on in the Middle East, they'd sadly be mistaken.”
Anna Kasparian's Response
5:00 to 7:00
Anna Kasparian discusses her nomination and her stance on the issues.
“And first up, Pierce, thank you so much for having me on.”
Debating Anti-Semitism Allegations
7:00 to 9:00
A debate on whether various commentators should be labeled anti-Semitic.
“So when it comes to people who are acting entirely one-sided, I don't want any of that.”
Debating Anti-Semitism Allegations
10:47 to 11:13
A debate on whether various commentators should be labeled anti-Semitic.
“It's weeknight dinners, sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once.”
Concluding Remarks on Ms. Rachel
11:13 to 14:03
Final thoughts from the panel on Ms. Rachel's actions and their consequences.
“So let me just stop you there, because I've been branded anti-Semitic, okay, by a lot of people on social media.”
Advocating for Palestinian Children
14:03 to 14:28
Discussion on the plight of Palestinian children amid the conflict.
“I'm incredibly proud of my work to help Palestinian children.”
Miss Rachel's Impact
14:30 to 15:12
Exploring Miss Rachel's statements on Gaza and childhood needs.
“What was it that made you step out and support these children in Gaza?”
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Facing Controversy
15:12 to 15:30
Addressing the backlash against Miss Rachel for her outspoken views.
“And it was very clear to me, along with so many others in our country and around the world, that it's so critical to speak up.”
Discussion on Anti-Semitism
15:30 to 16:00
Examining accusations of anti-Semitism related to pro-Palestinian sentiments.
“Because even before you spoke up, it was a hornet's nest of controversy.”
Debating the Right to Speak
16:00 to 17:26
Debate on whether a children's entertainer should engage in political issues.
“OK, so Jake, when you hear what she says there and you read her statement, she's very keen to stress she's not anti-Semitic, she doesn't hate Jewish people.”
The Role of Public Figures
17:26 to 18:29
Discussion on the responsibility of public figures in political matters.
“Was it unwise of Miss Rachel to be so outspoken about this?”
Weaponizing Anti-Semitism
18:29 to 18:58
Debate on how anti-Semitism is perceived and used in political narratives.
“Because they're going to call everyone an anti-Semite.”
Double Standards in Media
18:58 to 21:11
Exploring perceived double standards in media coverage of the conflict.
“who was pro-israeli yeah oh anna would have what would you say and be honest about this if she is if she is showing the humanity of israeli children why would i have a problem with that.”
Double Standards in Media
21:59 to 22:09
Exploring perceived double standards in media coverage of the conflict.
“Use the code peers and get 70 % off your first order.”
Death Toll and Human Impact
22:09 to 24:22
Discussing the impact of child casualties in the conflict on both sides.
“Probably not, no, because it totally ignores the fact that since I've been over seven...”
Glorifying Violence
24:22 to 25:14
Examining the ethical implications of endorsing violence in conflict.
“Palestinian children and I fully agree that there's double standards and hypocrisy on both sides.”
Defining Terrorism
25:14 to 28:00
A heated debate on the definitions of terrorism and resistance.
“I mean, you were actively supporting an attack on two innocent people in Washington, D.C.”
Debating Terrorism and Resistance
28:00 to 28:58
A heated discussion on the definitions of terrorism and resistance fighters.
“Just to be clear, when I said to you, did he murder these people, you said yes.”
The Complexity of Conflict
30:05 to 33:35
Discussion on the conflict's impact and the moral implications of violence.
“You've supported somebody who murdered people by your own admission for political reasons, by your own admission.”
Understanding Anti-Semitism
33:36 to 38:52
Exploration of the definitions and implications of anti-Semitism in modern discourse.
“I don't condemn and I will never ever condemn the Palestinian resistance.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05Piers Morgan:For two years she's flooded her platform with one-sized children and when it comes to Israeli children she offers crumbs. That isn't humanitarian, it's selective empathy. If you're going to be a children's entertainer you shouldn't have somebody on your show who glorifies the murder of 38 Israeli children.
0:22Ana Kasparian:Miss Rachel is an American, God bless her. Jewish parents are really afraid because they're showing their kids how to write the letter M. And on the other side, they're getting a video with Muadiz Aziza, who celebrates Hamas. That's very concerning.
0:39Piers Morgan:It's very hard to not conclude that you were anti-Semitic. It's reaction to the genocide. Couldn't bear it anymore. No, no, it's just cold-blooded murder. That's what it is. I agree it's murder. Okay, so then he's a terrorist then, right? No, he's not a terrorist. What is he? He's a murderer. He's reacting to the genocide. Yeah, sure, he's a murderer. It's that special time of year again. Nominees are making their case and rehearsing their speeches. Everyone's having their say on who should get the top prize. Anti-Semite of a Year began six years ago as what seemed to be a well-meaning campaign to highlight prominent people who had done or said things which were anti-Semitic.
1:15Piers Morgan:But I'm not alone in noticing that the entry criteria fixed by the Stop Anti-Semitism Advocacy Group has expanded to pretty much anyone who criticises the Israeli government. This year's shortlist includes a couple of people who have peddled genuine anti-Semitic tropes. And a lot of people, including Cenk Yuga, Anna Kasparian and Tucker Carlson, who, to my knowledge, have not. But there's one name getting all the awards season buzz this year.
1:44Dinosaur eggs! Days of the week, days of the week, yeah! Can you help me teach them to stomp? What a special day! We're so smart! Let's pretend that while we're having fun with bubbles, Bean starts to pee. Bean, you're peeing on the floor. Pee goes in the potty. Let's walk to the potty.
2:10Piers Morgan:Yes, it's Miss Rachel, the massively popular children's YouTuber who teaches toddlers, amongst many other things, how to use the potty. Critics say she belongs on the list because she's used her enormous platform to advance her mass propaganda. She posted this video featuring one of her most popular songs to highlight a three-year-old Ghazan refugee who lost her legs in an Israeli airstrike.
2:44Piers Morgan:Glenn Greenwald, who is Jewish, posted yesterday most people now see that anti-Semitism has no operational meaning beyond one who criticizes Israel. But having Miss Rachel Wynn will make that clearer, even for the few who don't yet see it. Her crime is speaking sympathetically of girls and children. Vote Miss Rachel. Well, does he have a point? Do you want me to debate this? A 2025 Anti-Semite of the Year nominee alongside Miss Rachel, Anna Kasparian, who's also the executive producer and host at The Young Turks. Jake Donnelly, aka the Red, White and Blue Jew. Hen Mazik, Israeli influencer and author.
3:18Piers Morgan:So welcome to all of you. All right, let's start with you, Anna Kasparian. you're on the list, you've been nominated. How do you feel about that?
3:29Ana Kasparian:I feel fine about it because obviously the list is not one that actually contains real anti-Semites. It's a list that contains individuals who are sometimes very aggressively critical of a foreign country, a foreign country's government, and that would be the country that's currently engaging in multiple wars in an effort to annex more land and territory that doesn't belong to them. And of course, that's Israel. And if anyone's under the impression that putting me on lists is going to dissuade me from speaking the truth about what's going on in the Middle East, they'd sadly be mistaken. And I know a little information about the grotesque woman behind Stop Anti-Semitism, which we can talk about a little bit if you'd like.
4:13Ana Kasparian:But I feel fine about being included in that list. And Miss Rachel is a national treasure.
4:19Piers Morgan:Well, let's come to the case against her before I go to my other panellists. The Stop Anti-Semitism citation for Miss Rachel's nomination states since earlier this year, Miss Rachel has published Hamas propaganda to millions, sharing debunked images, inflated casualty claims, and almost entirely ignoring Israeli child victims. What point to you, Jake Donnelly? She's entitled if she wants to give more attention to kids in Gaza than Israeli kids. If she completely ignored what has happened to Israeli children, that's one thing. But if she's acknowledged it, but chosen to give more of her time to Gaza children, that doesn't make her anti-Semitic.
5:02No, it doesn't. And first up, Pierce, thank you so much for having me on. I really do appreciate the opportunity to speak about this. What makes her anti-Semitic is her relationship with Motez Azaza. Because if you're going to be a children's entertainer, you shouldn't have somebody on your show who glorifies the murder of 38 Israeli children. That doesn't make any sense to me. And any parent that puts their child in front of somebody like that so that she can push her propaganda, use fake AI imagery in order to do so, and to continue to just publish everywhere the Hamas-run numbers, 14 ,000 imminent starving children.
5:38I've yet to see where any of those are. Yeah, that is what makes you an anti-Semite. So it's not necessarily the one-sided stuff that she does. But when you go and you talk about all of the children, well, okay, why don't you talk about the 12 children that were murdered by Hezbollah, the Druze children who are simply playing soccer? She says that she cares about all of the children, but I don't see that. In fact, I see what she's doing as a political game, and I'd rather call this stuff out in 1933 than call it out in November 1938. And that's what I'm seeing, and that's what Stavrosky-Semitism is seeing as well.
6:14Piers Morgan:But to be clear, if that is your criteria, is that she shows selective empathy, and we'll come to the issue of Motaz Azaza in a moment, but if that's your criteria, should we then apply the same criteria to any pro-Israeli commentator on social media or on the airways, wherever it may be, who has shown selective empathy towards the plight of Israeli children but never addressed the plight of Palestinian children? Are they Islamophobic? I think, well, those were two different questions. So for somebody like me, let's just take my case. You will see on my actual X page that I am constantly republishing, reposting and commenting on the Center for Peace Communications.
6:55which are the people who are pushing the Palestinians that are against both Hamas as well as the Palestinian authority. So when it comes to people who are acting entirely one-sided, I don't want any of that. We have Anna here, and actually, from my opinion, Anna's not the worst of the worst by any stretch of the imagination. But do you believe she's anti-Semitic? No, I do not. I do not believe that Anna is anti-Semitic. I think that she can sometimes be easily manipulated and push the same Hamas-run Ministry of Health numbers. And out of interest, out of interest, Jane.
7:27Piers Morgan:Let's talk about data. I'll let you respond.
7:30Ana Kasparian:Let's talk about data. No, no, no, no, no. I get to respond to that. Let's talk about data from the IDF, the IDF's internal data. I don't read American media on what's happening in the Middle East. I actually like to read Israeli media because they're super honest and I really appreciate their honesty. So Israeli papers got a hold of the IDF's internal data in regard to civilian casualties in Gaza. and their own data indicates 83 % of people slaughtered in Gaza, 83 % are civilians. Israel, the IDF, just shot and killed. Stop. Don't interrupt me. IDF just shot and killed an eight-year-old and an 11-year-old in Gaza claiming that they had crossed the yellow line when no such thing happened.
8:15Ana Kasparian:And they tried to make it seem as though an eight-year-old and an 11-year-old are literal militants deserving of the type of slaughter they were met with. Okay, listen, I am not going to sit here and just stomach the ridiculous propaganda and lies that keeps getting regurgitated over and over and over again. You guys have to find better talking points. You really do, because these have been debunked over and over again on this show, and they will continue to be debunked on this show, on my show. Americans aren't stupid. They see what's happening. the evidence is abundantly clear. What's amazing to me is the dehumanization of every human life that isn't Israeli or isn't in favor of what that disgusting genocidal government is up to.
9:01Piers Morgan:Okay, look, we've had some tech issues, Jake, with your signal, so we're trying to fix that. Let me go to Hen Mazzi.
9:08Ana Kasparian:Divine intervention, must be.
9:10Piers Morgan:Well, Hen Mazzi, you've been listening to this. What is your response to what Anna just said? Yeah, it's rich to speak about dehumanization from a person that said that all Israelis should be ashamed of themselves, that we are demons, that the Jewish lobby controls the U.S., that Israel is a Nazi state. The Jewish lobby does control the U.S. Okay, all right. Where's the lie? Prove my point, thanks. The problem is that you are not able to look in the mirror and see who you are and what you're doing to the Jewish community. Oh, I look in the mirror every day. And once the Jewish community is calling you out for the way you are harming us, instead of listening and trying to change your ways, you're doubling down.
9:45And as long as you're going to do that, yes, we are going to continue calling you what you are and saying that what you're doing is really harming our community. So what's disgusting here, Anna, is that you are unable to hear to a minority community telling you that your words have contributed to an atmosphere that gets our people killed outside of our synagogues. Because of your words, because of statements that you said that others like you have said. They weren't included on the anti-Semite list, by the way.
10:14Ana Kasparian:The guy who killed two Israeli embassy workers, the guy who killed two Israeli embassy workers this year, okay, the actual anti-Semite who murdered people, didn't make it on the list. Fascinating. Right.
10:25Piers Morgan:So Hen, do you think that Anna is anti-Semitic? I think that her words are deeply anti-Semitic. I think she has contributed to an atmosphere that gets our people killed. And I think it's totally legitimate to call this out. And if a minority community is telling you this, you should listen to us. And yes, maybe this person that... But I can... Okay, but hang on. This episode is brought to you by Palmolive. Family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners, sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full, use Palmolive Ultra.
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11:13Piers Morgan:Hang on, hang on. So let me just stop you there, because I've been branded anti-Semitic, okay, by a lot of people on social media. And I've defended you, Pierce. Right, because I deeply resented. Because as everybody remembers, who watches this show, for many, many, many long months after the October the 7th attacks, I vigorously and loudly defended Israel's right to defend itself. This year, from the start of this year onwards, I began to be more and more critical of the Israeli government. Not of the Israeli people, not of Israel. It wasn't denying its existence. It wasn't attacking Jewish people or Israeli people.
11:48Piers Morgan:Specifically, the government, Benjamin Netanyahu, and also specifically the right-wing headbangers in that government like Smodrich and Ben-Givir. And for my troubles, despite painstakingly making it clear who was the object of my criticism, I was regularly branded anti-Semitic. So I do believe it's something that's been thrown around way too much. It's done in a deliberate, concerted effort to shut people up from criticising anything that Israel's doing. So yes, there is genuine anti-Semitism, no question. I think it's been rising in the last two, three years, which is appalling. but throwing it around to silence people.
12:27Piers Morgan:I'm not accusing you, I'm just saying this is what I've been receiving in. It's just being used as a stick to censor people and to shut them up. And I think that's abhorrent. And I agree with that. I'm not saying that, yes, some people use antisemitism too widely and in a wide brush that they shouldn't have to do it. And I think it's true for every minority community. As a gay person, I see how people use the term homophobic quite casually to say anyone that has any criticism of LGBTQ people is homophobic. I understand that it's not like that. And it's the same with antisemitism. But that doesn't take away from the severity of people making statements that end up, as Anna mentioned, you know, the same statements that we hear from them are the ones that are being used to shoot Jews outside of our Holocaust museum in D.C.
13:10Piers Morgan:And what about Miss Rachel? Do you think she's antisemitic? I don't think she's antisemitic, but I think she's really misguided. And I think the fact that when she hosted Moathez Aziza that celebrated Hamas on her platform, And then when Jews called her out, she said calling, trying to defend starving children is not anti-Semitism. It played directly into a medieval blood libel that says that Jews are trying to kill children. And we use anti-Semitism to stop her from trying to stop us. We're not silencing her. We're calling her out. We're calling her in, rather. And if she just listened to us and have this conversation, if Anna just listened to us and have a conversation, instead of screaming every time she hears a Jewish person criticize her, I'm sure that next year she wouldn't be on the list.
13:52Piers Morgan:Well, let me read Ms. Rachel's response on Instagram to this nomination. She said, I'm so thankful to Jewish organizations, rabbis, friends, colleagues and family for standing by me. I'm against anti-Semitism and all forms of hate and racism. I'm incredibly proud of my work to help Palestinian children. With 20 ,000 Palestinian children killed, most child amputees in modern history, homes, schools, hospitals, bond, 17 ,000 orphans. Everyone should be speaking out. She also went on CNN's Amanpour show and told Christian Amanpour some more of her thoughts about this. It was two months ago. Let's take a look.
14:30What was it that made you step out and support these children in Gaza? How could I not, seeing what was happening on our screens, hearing from Save the Children who had first-hand accounts, knowing that so many children were losing their lives. It's up to over 18 ,000 children. So as an early childhood educator, I know what children need. They need food. It's being blocked. They need water. It's being blocked. They need to be in school. Their schools have been bombed. They need medical care. I know what children need to thrive and I know what holds them back. And it was very clear to me, along with so many others in our country and around the world, that it's so critical to speak up.
15:21Piers Morgan:And she also addressed the criticism she'd faced. This was before this, obviously, this new nomination came out. Were you ever worried? Because even before you spoke up, it was a hornet's nest of controversy. the idea of speaking up for, let's face it, Palestinian children after October 7th. I'm not an expert in that area, but I knew that I'm an expert in child development. I have two masters in education. I've worked with children my whole life for 20 years. Seeing the images of the children, there was no question that it was the right thing to say something. OK, so Jake, when you hear what she says there and you read her statement, she's very keen to stress she's not anti-Semitic, she doesn't hate Jewish people.
16:11Piers Morgan:So why would she be targeted in this way? Well, we've already discussed it. When you are a children entertainer and you bring somebody on who glorifies a day in which 38 children were murdered, well, we're going to have some questions as to... But I've had people... My response to that is I've had many guests on here on the pro-Palestinian side, not who've glorified October the 7th, but certainly who've refused to condemn it. So does that make me anti-Semitic for giving them a platform? No, you're a journalist, you're not a children's entertainer, although sometimes it can get pretty childish on this show.
16:47But that's not the case here. And if we're talking about anti-Semitism and what actually constitutes anti-Semitism, we already have something on this show where Anna says that 83%, that's just those who are identified. That is a misleading statistic, and either Anna, you know how to read statistics or 83 % were identified as civilians by the IDF. You can't spin it. No, no, no, no, no. 83 % were identified as civilians by the IDF according to Israeli papers. Everyone check that out. You have no arguments because the truth is on my side.
17:23Ana Kasparian:And I know that's so difficult. So stop embarrassing yourself.
17:26Piers Morgan:But, Anna, let me ask you, though. I'm not embarrassing myself. I understand the statistics. If you don't. Hang on. Let me ask Anna this question. Was it unwise of Miss Rachel to be so outspoken about this? Not because she's not entitled to, or it's not an incredibly important issue, but the fact she is a children's entertainment with a huge, huge audience. Was it unwise of her to get overtly political like this?
17:53Ana Kasparian:the days of zionists bullying americans into silence is over put that in your pipe that's a different question though i'd like to read a quote i'd like to read a quote the biggest bully on the internet is talking about bullying give me a break miss rachel is an american god bless her and as an american she is afforded the freedom she is no one's dancing that
18:16Piers Morgan:justice as she sees it. So do I think it's wise?
18:20Ana Kasparian:Obviously I think it's wise. No one's doubting
18:23Piers Morgan:her right to say it. I think it's wise.
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18:27Ana Kasparian:Answered your question. I think it's wise. Because they're going to call everyone an anti-Semite. As long as you're not bowing down to the government of Israel, they're going to call you an anti-Semite. They don't even care about the value of Jewish lives here in the United States. If those Jewish individuals are critical of israel it's all about israel this is about an ideology not about an identity a heritage a religion or an ethnicity okay but make sure you realize that okay but if it was a weaponizing anti-semitism for israel's purposes is so disgusting but if it was a children's entertainer
18:59Piers Morgan:who was pro-israeli yeah oh anna would have what would you say and be honest about this
19:06Ana Kasparian:if she is if she is showing the humanity of israeli children why would i have a problem with that. Oh, come on.
19:11Piers Morgan:Really?
19:12Ana Kasparian:And Pierce, you've had me on this show multiple times. Yeah, 100%. But if you deem she only cared about Israeli kids. You asked me multiple times.
19:20Piers Morgan:Right. But if you deem she cared.
19:22Ana Kasparian:Do you know what year it is? Pierce, do you know what year it is? Okay, it's not October 7th, 2023. Since then, over two and a half years later, tens of thousands of children have been slaughtered on the Palestinian side. Yeah, but that's not my question. So when they bring up the, what about, what about, what about, what about, what about, what about? Everyone condemns what happened to Israeli civilians on October 7th. That's not my question. I have done that on this show.
19:44Piers Morgan:Anna, you're answering a different... I have done that on this show.
19:46Ana Kasparian:Yeah, I'm not questioning... The thing is, the two individuals on this panel right now do not care about Palestinian lives. I don't think... I don't believe that's true. I don't believe that's true. So-called anti-Semitism that doesn't exist. I don't believe that's true, but my question was... They don't care. They don't care. Let me read you a quote, then. Let me read you a quote. This is from Tali Gottlieb. Tali Gottlieb says, we have no hostages left. We no longer have to be precise, as if the IDF was ever precise in Gaza. We can attack without mercy. Merciless. Merciless. What do the two individuals on this panel have to say about that?
20:21Ana Kasparian:Disgusting genocidal rhetoric.
20:23Piers Morgan:Okay, but I just want you to answer my question first, which is actually specifically about whether a children's entertainer with a massive reach, if they were promoting the pro-Israeli position on this war and not really mentioning the Palestinian side, would you...
20:38Ana Kasparian:No, I would not think that's a good idea.
20:40Piers Morgan:So you would not like that to happen?
20:43Ana Kasparian:If they're promoting genocide, I would not like that.
20:46Piers Morgan:That's not what he asked. No, no. If they were being supportive of Israel, but they weren't mentioning the Palestinian plight much, what would you say about that? Would you think it's appropriate for children's entertainment?
20:57Ana Kasparian:I would say that sounds a lot like American media.
20:59Piers Morgan:My point would be that I think you would be very critical if a children's entertainer was overtly pro-Israeli. That's the point. So is there a double standard here? On both sides, by the way. I've seen it on both sides. But is there a double standard in how you apply it to this kind of story where, if it was the other way round, would you be so vehement in your defence of it? I suspect not, right? Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and Optimum Night all-natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them with incredible results. Optimum Day boosts your energy and supports weight loss throughout the day.
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22:09Ana Kasparian:Probably not, no, because it totally ignores the fact that since I've been over seven...
22:13Piers Morgan:But that's intellectually honest, at least.
22:14Ana Kasparian:The vast majority of children who have been murdered are Palestinian children. And maimed.
22:18Piers Morgan:At least you've been honest that you would feel differently about it if it was the other way around. I mean, this is the point I would make, Hen, about this. and I think this applies to a lot of the stuff in this war, there is a lot of double standard going on, right? A lot of people are much more angry if it's their side in this kind of situation than if it's the other side. I remember Gail Gatto getting hammered, you know, for being pro-Israeli in Hollywood. And whatever you think of her, I'm not a massive fan of hers, but she got a disproportionate amount of abuse for being pro-Israeli to people who've spoken out on the side of the Palestinians.
22:51Piers Morgan:So I do think there's a lot of hypocrisy flies around about the condemnation that goes on here. And I do wonder if Miss Rachel had been spouting pro-Israeli sentiment and people believed it was disproportionate to her pro-Palestinian, whether everyone currently racing to defend her would have defended her. Of course not. And I think the problem is that Miss Rachel has, what, 18 million subscribers on her YouTube channel. It was the most successful Netflix opening show, her children's show. And I think Jewish parents are really afraid because they're showing their kids how to write the letter M.
23:27And on the other side, they're getting a video with Moat Aziza who celebrates Hamas. That's very concerning. And to pretend that this is not the issue is just to, you know, it's the same old tired talking points that it's the Israeli government. It's just they're trying to silence us. I don't think we're trying to silence Miss Rachel or anyone. We're raising real concerns. Do you accept 10? As many people will be watching this saying, but Anna's got a point, right?
23:51Piers Morgan:The number of Palestinian kids that have been killed is exponentially higher than any number of Israeli children who've been killed in this war. Absolutely. By a multiple of tens of thousands, right? Yeah. I'm just not going to count bodies. For me, every child that is killed is horrible. And yes, I fully condemn the fact that Palestinian children were killed in Gaza and there's still conflict going on and I hope with all my heart that there will be a different government that the Israeli government would be replaced and that we will have a better future for both Israelis and Palestinian children and I fully agree that there's double standards and hypocrisy on both sides.
24:27I think people that are just pulling us to the sides and to the extreme like Anna and others are not helping us. Israelis and Palestinians deserve peace and coexistence and humanity. That's all right. Well let me bring in another guest.
24:38Piers Morgan:Stop anti-Semitism put Guy Christensen, a pro-Palestinian TikTok influencer on the list too, because he openly endorsed and glorified the murder of two Israeli embassy employees in a Washington, D.C. shooting. So the timeline of that was in May this year, a gunman named Elias Rodriguez murdered two employees of the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C., reportedly chanted, free, free, Palestine. Now, you didn't want to appear as part of the panel, Guy Christiansen, so we'll get their reaction after I've spoken to you. But it's very hard to not conclude that you were anti-Semitic. I mean, you were actively supporting an attack on two innocent people in Washington, D.C.
25:21Piers Morgan:I'm sorry, how is that anti-Semitic? Elias Rodriguez was a natural reaction to genocide. Well, no, you're actively supporting somebody cold-bloodedly murdering two civilians. They're not civilians. They work for the state of Israel. Well, they are civilians. They're not in the military. They work for the state of Israel and they advance the Zionist project on behalf of the state. I think that's criminal. Any diplomat anywhere in the world is fair game for you? I mean, it's fair game for Israel. Right, but that's anti-Semitism, isn't it? You're targeting them because they're Israeli diplomats. No, that is not the same as being Jewish.
25:54In fact, I think neither were Jewish. One of them was Christian and the other, I believe, was atheist and they did work for the state of Israel. So I stand by what I said. I do not condemn that. But, Piers, I hope you know that we have a... Do you know what the ACLU is? I hope you do. The what? The ACLU. Yes, of course. Yeah, of course. We have a case going on suing over the fallout from this. Right. Because I was being smeared as violent, inciting violence, celebrating this murder, none of which is true. And we're going to win this case.
26:26Piers Morgan:Well, I think you... I mean, look, I don't want to preempt your case, but when you say this murderer was not a terrorist, he's a resistance fighter, and when you restate your belief that the shooting is being used to weaponise violence against Palestinians but we will meet it with our own greater resistance and escalation clearly people will see that as a direct threat against other civilians Why do you think resistance happens? It's not resistance, it's terrorism When you cold-bloodedly murder people in the street in DC as a response to a war that's going on in Gaza that is terrorism It's reaction to the genocide He couldn't bear it anymore No, no, it's just cold-blooded murder.
27:04That's what it is. It's murder. I agree with that. You agree it's murder? I never encouraged anyone. I agree it's murder, obviously. Okay, so then he's a terrorist then, right? No, he's not a terrorist. What is he? He's a murderer. He's reacting to the genocide. Yeah, sure, he's a murderer. And he's murdering for... But I'm not going to condemn him. Do you accept he was murdering for... Do you accept he was murdering for... The genocide he couldn't bear watching torn apart Palestinian children. Wait a minute.
27:26Piers Morgan:Wait a minute. Do you accept that he was murdering for political reasons? yeah I believe so okay then that's a terrorist that's literally the definition of a terrorist you don't even know what terrorism is do you? well guys I'm sorry and it's not funny with all due respect you obviously have no idea what the word terrorism means that is literally the definition when you murder somebody for political motivation that is terrorism you literally just called him a terrorist having denied him as a terrorist Right, you've literally just said... Sorry, Guy, with respect, let me speak. Let me speak. Just to be clear, when I said to you, did he murder these people, you said yes.
28:09Piers Morgan:And when I said, did he do it for political reasons, you said yes. That is the definition of terrorism. And yet your response at the time was, he's not a terrorist, he's a resistance fighter. And I put it to you, you have now admitted he's a terrorist. No, he's a resistance fighter. It was very clear. Resistance fighters are not terrorists. The Palestinian resistance is not terrorists. They're resistance fighters. He murdered for political reasons. He's a terrorist. By your own definition. I mean, October 7th happened for political reasons. I don't understand what this gotcha is. It's not really a gotcha.
28:43Terrorists resistance fighters have different names for them. I just don't think you know what a terrorist is.
28:46Piers Morgan:So when you say he wasn't a terrorist, actually, literally, he was a terrorist. He was waging terror by murdering people for political reasons. That is terrorism. You don't know that, do you? No, it's a reaction to genocide. And I condemn the genocide. That's not what you said in your answer. The genocide or else we're going to see more attacks like this. People are going to watch this back and go, hang on a second. You said he wasn't a terrorist, but he murdered two diplomats. And they can't stand seeing it any longer. So, of course, things like this are going to happen. We must end the genocide so we end all of the violence that comes with it.
29:18Right. This genocide is poison on the world.
29:21Piers Morgan:Now you've established he committed an act of terrorism. Do you condemn it? No, I do not condemn it. So you support terrorism? What's funny about that? Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile, with a message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please, for the love of everything good in this world, stop. With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just$15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments, but that's weird. Okay, one judgment. Anyway, give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch.
30:03Piers Morgan:Because that's not what I said. You've supported somebody who murdered people by your own admission for political reasons, by your own admission. I condemned him, learned my context, and refused to condemn him. I did not think it was useful to condemn him because it's a reaction to the genocide. So you don't condemn terrorists? I don't this is a a gotcha I don't condemn it's not a gotcha you're gotchering yourself I don't condemn you've literally you've literally admitted he murdered people for political reasons that is a terrorist and so you support terrorists resistance fighter he's a resistance fighter but you but you admitted he's a terrorist I didn't admit he's a terrorist can we move on if somebody murders someone for political reasons they are a terrorist do you not know that He's a resistance fighter, Elias Rodriguez.
30:51Piers Morgan:But he murdered people for political reasons. That's what you told me. Yeah, I believe he murdered them for political reasons. So he's a terrorist? No. No, he's not a terrorist. You're very confused, aren't you, Guy? No, I'm not confused. You're very confused because you don't seem to understand what a terrorist is. So it's not surprising that you're confused about whether you should condemn it or not. Do you believe the Palestinian resistance fighters are terrorists, all of them? Cheers. What was that, sorry? Do you believe the Palestinian resistance fighters are all terrorists, Pierce? I think all the ones that invaded Israel on October 7th were terrorists, yeah.
31:25Okay, so you cannot resist the occupation, the domination, the genocide and apartheid.
31:30Piers Morgan:Terrorism is terrorism wherever it happens, whatever the reason, it's terrorism. Okay, terrorism is nothing. 3 ,000 Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and committed mass murder. It was an act of grotesque terrorism. Anyone who says differently is defending terrorism. Most of the people they murdered were Israeli war criminals, IDF soldiers. Actually, most of them were civilians, innocent people. And they kidnapped a baby. They kidnapped Holocaust survivors. It was disgusting. And an act of brutal terrorism. Do you condemn the thousands of Palestinian hostages Israel holds right now? And your attempt to justify it and defend it is actually making you complicit in the terrorism.
32:09Do you condemn Israel for holding thousands of Palestinian hostages right now?
32:13Piers Morgan:I've condemned Israel for many things in this war. Yes. I'm happy to condemn both sides. What I find I'm really struggling with is a lot of people have ideological views. They spew out thinking they know something about the situation. It's just humanity versus evil. That's what this is about. Yeah, I know. But then on the other hand, you think it's fine to murder innocent people in the street, in D.C. for political reasons, which is an act of terrorism. You think that's fine? I don't encourage that. With all due respect, do not preach to me about humanity when you have zero humanity about the victims of that terrorist attack.
32:54I can't believe you would ever say that. Well, your humanity is only one... I do not encourage that. Your humanity is one-sided. Yeah. In fact, I think it was, you know, contrary to the movement. As you understand, I was worried about it sparking or being used to justify a crackdown. So why would I encourage it or want it to happen? You literally said,
33:13Piers Morgan:We will meet it with our own greater resistance and escalation. Do you know what I advocate for on my platform? I know what you're advocating for on my platform. So you don't. You're defending political murder, which is terrorism. Literally, that's what you're doing. You just don't realise it. I know, I just didn't condemn it. That's all, Piers. That's a reaction to genocide. So you don't condemn terrorism. Just one last time, to be clear. I don't condemn and I will never ever condemn the Palestinian resistance. But you don't condemn it. I would say that two years into the genocide, this is disgusting.
33:45Piers Morgan:OK, just to be clear, one last chance I'll give you. No, I don't need another chance. I'm not going to condemn resistance. You've admitted it was politically motivated murder, which is terrorism. Do you condemn it? I do not condemn it. OK, Guy Christensen, thank you very much. Let's go back to the panel. Well, I don't think he showered himself in glory there, did he, Jake Donnelly? Because he seemed to have no concept of what terrorism is. He literally admitted the guy who committed an act of terrorism, politically motivated murder, wouldn't condemn it because he doesn't think that's terrorism.
34:18If anybody on my side performed that poorly, I would ask them to get off social media and never be a voice for my side ever again. And I think it's actually phenomenally hilarious that the guy committed, honestly, career suicide just now because he did his own fake death hoax when he was back in high school. So you know what? It's the second time. Let me bring Anna in.
34:40Piers Morgan:The thing is, I thought that was pathetic, that interview. This is a guy who doesn't even really understand what the word terrorism means. So, all right, he's what he is. But I can understand why somebody like him would be on that list after that interview. I don't understand why you are. I've never heard you be, to my mind, anti-Semitic. I don't think Miss Rachel is anti-Semitic. I think she was probably ill-advised to platform Motaz Azaza. I can accept that criticism of her, but her statement seems pretty unequivocal to me. You know, my view is anti-Semites don't hide it. They're quite happy to be anti-Semitic.
35:20Piers Morgan:They don't. They're quite happy. They're quite happy to say they hate Jewish people, right? I mean, it's a bit like all these things. It's like proper racists don't hide it. They're quite happy to say they hate people because of their skin colour. Proper homophobes don't hide. So this is why I hate these tags being applied to people. when they're making legitimate criticism of governments or institutions or whatever. There's a world of difference. And if someone says emphatically, I'm not anti-Semitic, I have no problem with Jewish people, then I don't know why we wouldn't believe them. Unless they've said things to the contrary.
35:52Ana Kasparian:Well, Pierce, let me give you an analogy, because I think this will help you kind of understand my worldview and how I grew up, how I was raised. So I'm Armenian, at least my heritage is. Both my parents are Armenian. And growing up, of course, we spoke about the Armenian genocide. And I've heard all of the stories. I know what happened to my ancestors in the Armenian genocide. And when I was in fifth grade, for the first time in my life, I met the first Turkish person, a Turkish student by the name of Tanya, who, you know, came to America and was one of my classmates. Because I knew about what happened to Armenians in the genocide, I started bullying her.
36:30Ana Kasparian:And I got sent home and my parents, you know, they're a little old school, so the corporal punishment is not frowned upon. So but my parents basically told me they're like, what you did is disgusting. Hating someone simply because they're Turkish is wrong. And what you have to do is look at the system, the government, the entities that carried it out. You can't blame it on the entire Turkish population. This is just a little girl and what you did is wrong and hateful. In fact, you're lowering yourself to the same type of thinking that the genociders had engaged in. And I kept that lesson with me throughout my entire life.
37:14Ana Kasparian:So when I had an opportunity to work at the Young Turks and I knew that even Cenk Uygur, OK, who I love and respect, did not acknowledge the Armenian genocide, I had a decision to make. do I hate this man and just write him off or do I engage in conversation? And throughout the years, through the debates we had, he absolutely changed his mind, realized he was wrong, now acknowledges the Armenian genocide. But the point that I'm trying to make with that is you have to judge people as individuals. If you don't do that, then you are guilty of the same hate, the same racism, the same Islamophobia that the current Israeli government is engaging in.
37:55Ana Kasparian:And so I refuse to let people win and turn me into a hateful, disgusting bigot. That is not who I am. I know who I am in my heart. And I'm always going to speak out against injustice, including the injustice of two embassy workers getting shot down in cold blood. No one should refer to that as freedom fighting, period.
38:13Piers Morgan:That is terrorism. And I think he admitted it without even realizing he admitted it. You know, some people on this list, Stu Peters, for example, in January 2024, said the gas chambers, the crematorium so often discussed, they were destroyed at the end of World War II, if they were ever there in the first place and questioned the official death toll of the Holocaust, that is anti-Semitism. When you deny the Holocaust, when you try and suggest that these gas chambers and crematoriums may never have been there in the first place, you are genuinely, in my opinion, anti-Semitic and thoroughly deserve to be on that list.
38:46Piers Morgan:But the other names on there, I think devalue the credibility of this list, and that's just the people I know about. Thank you all very much for the debate. I appreciate it. Thank you, Piers.
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It’s that special time of year again, when the Stop Antisemitism advocacy group announces their nominees for Antisemite of the Year - and there’s a few very familiar faces on there.
Many are noticing that the entry criteria has expanded to include anybody who criticises Israel, meaning Uncensored contributors Ana Kasparian, Cenk Uygur and Tucker Carlson are all included. But the name getting all the buzz is children’s YouTube sensation Ms. Rachel
Glenn Greenwald says: “Her crime is speaking sympathetically of Gazan children.” If she wins, will it set a dangerous precedent?
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