Mystery Of The Pyramids Of Giza: Piers Morgan's Top Egyptology Moments!

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22:07Piers Morgan:Dan, can you hear me? It looks like he froze. Oh, he's frozen. Dan has frozen, which might be that. No, Dan, that was almost like a conspiracy moment where you got frozen before you could defend yourself. Your archaeology shuts down Dan Richards. But Dan, this suggestion, Dan, that you're nothing but a pseudoscientist, a junk scientist, you know, and you should keep out of their lane, the mainstream guys. Well, let's put it this way. Like Milo just said, we're talking about people with expertise in certain fields. And like Flint has studied seeds. That's his job. Now, by the time I was 25, I'll go out in the limb.

22:43I can say this with confidence. By the time I was 25, I'd studied the pyramids more than both Milo and Flint have at this point in their lives combined. I know a lot about it. Graham Hancock knows a shitload about that stuff, but they will dog him to the bitter end because he doesn't know as much about stratigraphy. He doesn't know as much about carbon dating, but they're not talking about this specifically. They're talking about other things. They mentioned like the Milo mentioned the amateur, the impassioned amateur. We are the number one market for archaeology. If you write a book about archaeology, guys like me are the ones lined up to buy it.

23:18If it's good, if it's interesting, if it's just stratigraphy, you're going to have to sell it to students. But if you're actually selling a product that's marketable, I'm at the front of the line. But you guys have alienated me. And if you look at the Society for American Archaeology, at their original bylaws, at their original constitution, they say two things about interested amateurs. One, they want to bring more into their fold. Two, they will only offer them help when asked. But they don't do that with us. If we say we're interested in something over here, we can expect these guys to come and poo-poo all over it.

23:48Look at this study right here. Like they say, well, we don't know for sure that it works. Okay, we don't know. But we do know that that type of telemetry has only been used for about three feet or three meters under sand for the most part. But in this, they do have images of the inside of the pyramid. We see the images of like the king's chamber. so it works through limestone it works through a lot further than it has in the past so there is reason to think that maybe these guys have something going on here but it's being poo-pooed out of hand because it's the pyramids because it's got some goofy alien woo attached to it there is definitely a knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of things in the alternate history community probably the baghdad battery being the best example ask any archaeologist that digs into it and they will tell you, well, yeah, you could make electricity with those.

24:35Look online, you'll find even Milo's got one. There's thousands of guys debunking the things, and they were. But that's just part of it. And that's actually an important thing to mention there, Dan, is when I made that video talking about the Baghdad Battery, I actually was contacted by an archaeologist from the University of Pennsylvania who spoke to me more in depth about it. He's an archaeologist who works at the royal city of Ur. He's worked in all kinds of these ancient sites. He's very familiar with this discovery. And he actually gave me even more information on it, for which I created a retraction and I elaborated further.

25:07And that's the important thing about science.

25:09Piers Morgan:Can I just raise my own hand here? What is the Baghdad battery? So the Baghdad battery was a artifact that was discovered, you know, in Baghdad. It was these little ceramic cones that had an asphalt sort of cap on it with two pieces of metal sticking in and a residue left over from some type of acid. It's been claimed that this, you know, is everything from something used for electroplating, very small electric charge, all the way up to something, evidence that there was ancient power grids. Now, I am obviously firmly believe that this is not evidence of power grids. We need to see a lot more for that.

25:40But there actually is some archaeological evidence to suggest that this could have been used for electroplating or a ceremonial ritual. Perhaps you put a sculpture on top made of metal, you put your hand on it, you get a little jolt. That would be pretty interesting, you know. But a little bit hard to tell because these artifacts have been lost and destroyed during all of the wars in the Middle East. And so it's a little bit challenging to revisit those. But another great example of why it's important for archaeologists and scientists to keep an open mind and why we try to do that with every discovery we come across.

26:07Piers Morgan:Greg Hancock is a scientific heretic. And for that, he's garnered both sneering condemnation and a legion of fans, not to mention a shelf full of best-selling books and a smash hit show now on Netflix. The new series of Ancient Apocalypse is out right now.

26:29For those who don't know me, I'm Graham Hancock. I've been exploring the possibility of a lost civilization in prehistory for more than 30 years. Archaeology claims that if there were such a thing as a lost civilization, they would have found it already. Well, I profoundly disagree with that.

26:57Piers Morgan:Well, Hancock's theory is that a highly advanced ice age civilization pioneered everything from mathematics to architecture before being wiped out by comet strikes and a giant flood. Notable supporters include Keanu Reeves and Joe Rogan. He was on that show recently and 27 million people watched it. Now, admittedly, I've always been a bit sceptical about this, but then I discovered that the Guardian newspaper had lamented Hancock, calling his series the most dangerous show on Netflix. And suddenly I began to warm to him. And it was surely worth hearing him out at the very least. So Graham Hancock joins me now.

27:29Piers Morgan:Well, any man condemned by The Guardian is good for me, Graham. Not just once, by the way, but five times. Five times. Well, there you go. Five different articles across The Guardian and Observer stable. Yeah, they've done that to me repeatedly as well. So that's why I'd like you to come in. The only objection I have is that for none of those articles did they reach out to me. Really? And when I was a journalist, we used to do that with country opinions. We would ask the subject of the article to at least speak. So here's what's really interesting about what you do with this stuff, which is, I guess at the moment, nobody can really disprove you, right?

28:06Piers Morgan:Because they say there's no proof. Yeah. That doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen. But could you just be the world's ultimate wind-up merchant, where you don't actually think it happened, but you know they can't disprove you and you can build a fantastically successful business off the back of just winding them all up. Yes, a lot of people could suggest that and a lot of people do, but the fact of the matter is this has been my passion for more than 30 years. I've devoted a huge chunk of my now 74-year-old life to following this mystery. And it's mystery that draws me into it. It's the feeling that there's a black hole in our past which is not fully explained.

28:50It's the fact that we have a worldwide tradition of a global cataclysm, which archaeologists tend to explain as massively exaggerated memories of local cataclysms. A worldwide tradition of a global flood. In that worldwide tradition, whether it's India, whether it's Mesopotamia, whether it's Easter Island, whether it's Cuzco in Peru, you're going to find that there were seven sages who survived the flood and who brought wisdom and knowledge to other survivors of the flood. It's this universal testament.

29:26Piers Morgan:When did you first get this notion into your head? When did it start? It started for me in the late 1980s when I was working on a book about Ethiopia and about Ethiopia's claim to possess the lost Ark of the Covenant. That was the first book I wrote in this genre. And that book was called The Sign of the Seal. And while investigating that, I had to go to Egypt as part of the investigation because the Ark of the Covenant is a story that involves Moses. Moses was brought up in the household of the pharaoh. And it was standing in front of the Great Pyramid in Egypt, not for that project, but just being there and looking at this thing.

30:05Six million tonnes, 481 feet high at its original height, 13-acre footprint, almost perfectly aligned to true north, south, east and west. and we're told that it was a tomb for a pharaoh called Khufu and it had to be built in 23 years because that was his lifetime. It couldn't therefore have been longer. And my common sense and my gut feeling as I looked at this was this doesn't make sense. Whatever this is, I don't think it's a tomb. Why? Because, well, apart from the fact that no body of any pharaoh has ever been found in any pyramid in Egypt at all could be tomb robbers. But the accounts of the earliest tomb robbery, which was in the 9th century when Caliph Mamun and his gang actually smashed their way into the Great Pyramid with sledgehammers, they found nothing inside it, nothing at all.

30:52It was completely empty and devoid of any inscriptions on the main body of the pyramid. So it's a genuine mystery. For this thing to have been built in 23 years seems to me pretty... It's a long time. Well, it's not a long time when you have a 6 million tonne monument with 2.5 million blocks of stone in it.

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32:43Your theory? Which include five climbs of the Great Pyramid and detailed investigation of all its internal chambers. I don't think, I don't think it was a tomb. And I've said that, but I might be wrong. I just don't think it was. And I think it's worth pushing back against that narrative. But it could have been a monument.

33:02Piers Morgan:I mean, just playing devil's advocate, it could have been a monument to these great pharaohs where they thought there was a risk of being grave robbed, so they didn't ever put the bodies in them. And they told the people they did. Yes, it could have been that. But then you have to ask yourself, why, when you take the height of the Great Pyramid and multiply by a particular number, which is not an insignificant number, it's a number that has geological significance, you take the height and multiply by 43 ,200, you get the polar radius of the Earth. You take the base perimeter, multiply it by the same number, you get the equatorial circumference of the earth.

33:37And even my staunchest critics accept that the math on that is right when you go back to the original true height of the Great Pyramid at 481 feet. Now the question is, is it encoding the dimensions of the earth by accident or is it a deliberate and intentional thing to do? This monument speaks to the earth. It is oriented within 360ths of a single degree of true north. It's an incredible precision for a monument on that scale. It's clearly connected to the Earth, oriented to true north, and at the same time encoding the dimensions of the Earth on a scale of 1 to 43 ,200. Why is that important?

34:18It's important because there is an obscure astronomical phenomenon called precession. It's a wobble on the axis of the Earth. The Earth is our viewing platform from which we observe the stars. And because of this wobble, the stars change their positions very, very slowly at the rate of one degree every 72 years. These are called precessional numbers. There was an enormous study. How do you remember all this stuff, by the way? I live it. You really are like a... What would you call yourself? I would call myself a writer. That's what I am. I try to do... Are you fiction or non-fiction? I've done both.

34:58So how do I know what I'm listening to?

35:00Piers Morgan:Am I getting the fictional version or the non-fiction? The non-fiction books have footnotes. They typically run to 2 ,000 footnotes to a book. They're all fairly documented. My critics and my supporters can find exactly... Accept that. So finish the point you were making. I'm sorry. My point was that this process of precession changes the star field at the rate of one degree every 72 years. There are a series of numbers built into ancient mythology. There were 72 conspirators in the murder of the god Osiris. for example. And what we're looking at is a multiple of the number 72. 72 times 600 is 43 ,200.

35:39Piers Morgan:And the significance of that is what? The significance to that is that we have a monument that speaks to the Earth, 6 million tonnes, locked in precisely to the true north pole, not magnetic north, the true north pole of the Earth. And then it encodes the dimensions of the Earth on a scale provided by the Earth itself. So it's a work of genius? I believe it's a work of genius. Right, so why couldn't it have been the geniuses who did it at the time? Well, I wonder... It could. And I'm not saying they didn't. I think the ancient Egyptians were... But you have a weird theory, and it is a weird theory, that the granite blocks used to build the pyramids were somehow levitated into place...

36:11That's not a theory. ..by acoustics. You've been listening to my critics too much.

36:15Piers Morgan:Is this not true? It is true. I've said... But the acoustics of priests chanting could have led to levitation of bricks. Yeah, that's not my theory. That's not a theory. What is that? That's an off-the-cuff remark. If you look at... And I'll stand by it. If you look at my work, you'll find that that kind of thing I've also talked a little bit about. Tell me about acoustic levitation. What you would find is that it occupies perhaps 20 pages across 8 ,000 pages of my books. It's there. It's there. So it's a theory you've espoused? No, it's an interest of mine. When I read ancient texts... What's between a theory and an interest?

36:48Hang on. Oh, come on. When I talk about that, I'm reading ancient texts that talk about priests chanting and raising a huge block into the air. And when I look... And by the way, the Great Pyramid is not all of granite. The granite blocks I'm talking about...

37:03Piers Morgan:How have these chanting priests levitated massive stones? I don't have a theory about that. You can't just put these in your books. Yes, I can. And they say, I've no idea how they did it. It's there in the mythology, Piers. So it could just be a myth. It could just be a myth. And I'm not saying it happened that way. I'm saying that so far, in 100-plus years of study of the Great Pyramid, nobody has yet come up with a convincing explanation of how it was... Right. And particularly... Sorry, let me continue. and particularly how those 70-ton granite blocks, most of the Great Pyramid is made of limestone, not granite, but those 70-ton granite blocks that roof the so-called King's Chamber, plus another series of 70-ton blocks above that, plus another above that, plus another of that.

37:41It's a brilliant feat of engineering. It's an incredible feat of engineering. When I look at that, and I've been above those blocks and looked at them from the top, the so-called relieving chambers, when I look at that, I am mystified as to how it was done. And the thought of people pouring water on wet sand and towing these weights along, that's OK on level ground. But to get it up to 300 feet above the base of the Great Pyramid, that's a wholly different story. You would need a ramp.

38:07Piers Morgan:So here's my response to that, which is, look, I think you're fascinating, right? And I did... Everything you say is fascinating. Your attention to detail is spectacular. You're honest enough to admit you don't know the answers to these things. You're raising a lot of suggestions, theories, whatever you want to call it. But it's when you say, well, that is completely implausible, right? The way that we all believe the pyramids is plausible. But you just float in there that it could have been levitation, acoustic power from chanting priests. I would dare to say to you, Graham, with all due respect, that is surely more ludicrous as a potential theory than the one that we believe.

38:44Piers Morgan:If I were saying this is absolutely how it were built, it would be. You're deliberately tantalising us with the idea of chanting priests raising stones to the skies. They're tantalising us with the idea of a ramp. You know, to... Do you think their theories are as ludicrous as... I think completely ludicrous. A ramp would, first of all, have had to have been built of material as solid as the pyramid itself. Secondly, because we can't... Human labour cannot tow heavy weights up a slope of more than 10 degrees. That ramp would have had to extend it for more than a mile into the desert. There's no sign of it.

39:16Piers Morgan:Your grandfather's name is inscribed on the Great Pyramid. Why? He was a world traveller. Was he like you? I guess he was in some ways. Is that where you get it from? In some ways not. Maybe. It was a pleasant surprise to find his name there and see it confirmed in his biography, which was never published and still sits in a drawer in my office. But he was with British forces in Cairo in the First World War. And he was a minister of the church. He was a chaplain there. Wow. Now, you believe that tens of thousands of years before the ancient Mesopotamia, Babylonia, Egypt, there was an even more glorious civilisation Plato called it Atlantis.

39:55Piers Morgan:You think that existed? Well, the story of Plato's Atlantis should not be taken out of context. Plato's Atlantis is a flood story, and therefore it should be taken into account with the roughly 200 other flood stories that are found from all around the world. To separate the Atlantis story from that, as my critics tend to do, is a mistake. We have another flood tradition here. Furthermore, there is a solid basis for that flood tradition in ancient Egypt. Plato said he got the story through Solon, who had visited Egypt in 600 BC and had been told the story of Atlantis by a priest in a particular temple, the temple of Neith at Sison the Delta.

40:34And interestingly enough, there's a temple of Horus at Edfu in Upper Egypt, which contains in full detail a description of a homeland of the primeval ones, an island which was destroyed in a gigantic flood, of which there were survivors, including, once again, seven sages. Some of them came to Egypt, settled in Egypt, and created what are called primeval mounds that were built up and down the whole length of Upper and Lower Egypt, which were to be the sites of all future temples and pyramids. Now, that particular temple is Ptolemaic. In other words, it's younger than Plato. So one could say, maybe they got the story from Plato.

41:15rather than the other way round, except that that temple encodes the archives of the previous temple that stood on that site, which in turn encode the archives of the previous temple going back to pre-dynastic times. The language in that temple is Middle Egyptian. It's not Ptolemaic. That temple is yet another manifestation of a global tradition in ancient Egypt, much of which has been lost. But here's what your critics say.

41:39Piers Morgan:They say, all right, OK, interesting theory, very well researched as always. Can I just say one other thing? It's really important, the critics on this, read the new complete translation of the Edfu building texts by the German Edfu project, because they've been translated completely into German. How long are they? How long are they? You're looking at four or five volumes. Have you read them? Massive, yes, I have. The whole lot? No, I haven't, because I don't read German. But I've had help of a German-speaking colleague to look at key aspects of the text, because when I first worked on the Edfu texts, I used a partial translation that was done back in the 1960s.

42:13When was that text written? That which text, the one I read. The one you're talking about. Sorry, do you mean the Edfu building text or do you mean the... Well, the German version that you're talking about. The Edfu building text were partially translated by Eva Elizabeth Raymond back in the 1960s in a book called The Mythical Origins of the Egyptian Temple. I used that as the basis for my inquiry into the meaning of the Edfu building text. Then I discovered, and it only happened in the last three years, that a complete translation was underway and was finally finished. The question to me was, did that translation contradict the earlier translation or did it support it?

42:46And I'm completely satisfied that it supports the earlier translation. Which means what? Which means that at least Plato wasn't lying when he said there was an Egyptian origin to this story. And then when we set the Atlantis tradition in context of global flood myths, all of which seem to carry very much the same notion of a golden age that's ended, incurs the anger of the gods, is ended...

43:07Piers Morgan:Right, so here's my point I'm going to mention, which is what the critics say, which is that archaeologists are not the only people who examine the past. We agree on that. Yeah, we do. Geologists, obviously, this is their speciality. And their argument against you is that if there had been an ancient super-civilisation that we have no knowledge of... I deny super-civilisation. I've never said a super-civilisation. What would you call it? I'm talking about a civilisation like every other during the Ice Age that emerged out of shamanism, but that went further in some directions than some. I'm not saying they built huge temples and columns and pillars and that they had steam engines or that they had spaceships.

43:43I think that they had a very simple basic technology, but they had an incredibly advanced knowledge of astronomy and they had an incredibly advanced knowledge of the world. They could encode accurate relative longitudes on maps.

43:56Piers Morgan:Here's the key question. Why, in that case, have geologists been unable to find any evidence of heavy metals, of manufacturing by-products from the manufacturing of that time? Why have astrophysicists not been able to pick up echoes of their radio chatter? Why have geneticists not found widespread anomalies in the human genome? Why has none of that happened, if your theory is right? I don't think small groups of seven or so people settling in a particular neighbourhood would leave a powerful genetic trace, actually. They would leave a trace in ideas. Do you think that all around the world? Well, I know that Easter Island has seven sages.

44:32I know that Mesopotamia has seven sages. I know that Egypt has seven sages. But they could all just be totally fantastical, mythical people.

44:38Piers Morgan:They could be, and that's precisely what my critics say, but that's what I'm here for. Yes. I'm here to investigate. By the way, I kind of admire that, I do. My initial thing was to kind of laugh at it, and then I thought, well, actually, the whole point of science and history and all these things is to challenge perceived wisdom. Otherwise, how do we evolve and learn more? And hopefully to do so in an intelligent and thoroughly worked-out way. But yours is a logical mind, but it's applied to a lack of facts. Would that be fair? Yes, just as archaeologists are logical people, and their work is applied to lack of facts as well.

45:10I mean, they've only excavated, what, 5 % or less of the world's surface. There's huge areas that are completely unknown. The Sahara Desert is almost completely unexcavated. The Amazon rainforest, where in our show, we've been finding evidence of highly advanced cultures which were previously completely unsuspected in the Amazon rainforest. Indeed, populations of millions, cities in the Amazon rainforest. My feeling is that the further we go into this, we are likely to find more and more evidence which disturbs the existing picture. And I've been trying for the last 30 years to put forward pieces of the puzzle that I do not feel are explained by mainstream archaeology and that are worthy of consideration.

45:50As a geologist, by the way...

45:51Piers Morgan:Right, so when people call you a crank, what do you say to them? They're welcome to call me whatever they want. But what do you feel about that? Of course it's not nice to be called a crank. Why would one welcome that? especially when I take my work seriously, when it's my passion, when it's everything that I do. What do you really want to achieve? What is the goal? Most of all, what I would like to achieve is for archaeologists to engage with my work without smearing me, without calling me a racist and a white supremacist and a misogynist and an anti-Semite. All of these words were applied to me in the Society for American Archaeology open letter to Netflix, trying to persuade Netflix to reclassify my work as science fiction.

46:35They used all of these... Why have they called you these things? There's no basis in the series for that at all. And the only basis there is, is that I reported indigenous myths from the Americas which talked about bearded, white-skinned people coming to America. Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent of Mexico, is a classic example, which talked about people with white skin coming to the Americas in the distant past and bringing knowledge and civilisation with them. Those are indigenous myths. Woke archaeologists have tried to reinterpret them recently and say, oh, they were all made up by the Spanish.

47:12To me, that is a racist assertion, that the people of the country were themselves so stupid that ideas introduced by the Spanish would be fully accepted by them as fact within 30 or 40 years.

47:24Piers Morgan:To his legion of admirers, Dr Zahi Hawass is the world's top expert on Egypt's mighty pyramids. And for good reason. Throughout an illustrious career, Dr Hawass has served as the chief inspector of the Great Pyramids, director general of the Giza Monuments, and the secretary general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Egypt. His book, Giza and the Pyramids, is considered the definitive account. But to his critics, he's an academic gatekeeper, an elitist of Egyptology, who is preventing others from interrogating the real truth about how, when, and why the pyramids were built. Many in Joe Rogan's audience felt that way after his appearance earlier this year.

48:04Most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong. Most of it? Most of it. In archaeology books? In archaeology books. Really? Except me and Mark Liener. You guys are the only ones that have it right? Because I have been working in Gaza for the last 57 years of my life. I excavated every piece of sand.

48:26Piers Morgan:Well, in this special edition of Uncensored, Dr Zahi Hawass will join me to discuss his incredible work and will be joined by two of his most high-profile critics from the alternative archaeology community. You say the truth about the pyramids has yet to be revealed. And we'll bring those two gentlemen in shortly. But first of all, Dr Hawass, first of all, welcome to Uncensored. Let me just ask you, first of all, what was your reaction to the reaction you got when you appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast? Because a lot of it was very negative.

49:00No, when I give any talk about pyramids, I expect the person who interviewed me to read about pyramids or to read about our work. I am sorry when I did this last interview. I didn't see that Mr Rogan did really read anything that we published. And that's why I was trying to refer to our excavation, to our book, and so.

49:30Piers Morgan:Let's bring in the other two guests. Joining us now are two independent researchers and investigators of lost ancient history. Jimmy Corsetti, the host of the Bright Insight YouTube channel, and from the debunking channel, Dan Richards. Welcome to both of you. We had you both on before, of course. Jimmy Corsetti, what would you like to say to Dr Harwath about his recent revelation from his team's research that they believe the pyramids were not built by slaves and there were 100 ,000, there were about 10 ,000 and they were artisans at the time. To be honest, well, let me first say, Pierce, thank you for having me back on.

50:07And Zahi, it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. There's a few things I take issue with what he had said. First of all, this ScanPyramids project, that initial discovery was back in 2016, and it was corroborated into a published study in 2017. Well, when you look from 2016 to 2025, that's nine years ago. That's almost a decade. And I'm trying to understand why we wouldn't have drilled a half-inch diameter hole and sent in a endoscope camera into this hidden chamber. Because let's not forget that the Great Pyramid of Giza is arguably the most mysterious and debated structure in all of human history.

50:43We don't know exactly how it was constructed and in fact how it was constructed is one of the most debated topics another debated topic is whether it was actually built to be a tomb for the pharaohs because after all we never found any mummy in any egyptian pyramid over so with those two significant uh points of debate we could squash those debates by simply going in and exploring it so i guess i have a question for dr hawass at this time which is why haven't we drilled into that hidden chamber When will we do it? And the third question is, has it already been done so in secret? Wow. Great questions.

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52:19And the Egyptian team, the English team that working under me, they found some important voids. And you have to be patient. You have to study how How are you going to drill? Or the new techniques that they're using. The new techniques that they're using, like ultrasound and infrared, penetrating radar, all of this, you do not need to drill anymore. You can see what's behind a wall. Because the English team from London and Sean, who's working for me, they found a void behind the northern entrance of the Queenie Chamber with hieroglyphic signs. We are studying now, how can we approach all these voids?

53:14But you have to understand one thing. We are not making anything secret. We advertise everything that we discover. We found above the Kingie Chamber, in the five chambers, relieving chambers, two more names of the gangs who built the pyramids. And we found year 13 of Kofu's reign. And this is what I'm talking about in my lecture in the States now. This is my number 25 lecture that I am publishing, announcing to the public everything that we discover inside the Great Pyramid. Nothing is secret.

53:52Piers Morgan:OK, well, that's good. That's good to have that clarified. Can I just ask you, just on a personal level, about one thing that's constantly put out there as to whether you believe this is true? The Great Pyramid of Giza is claimed to have a correlation with the Earth's circumference and polar radius based on the idea that multiplying the pyramid's perimeter by 43 ,200 equals the Earth's equatorial circumference, and multiplying its height by 43 ,200 equals the Earth's polar radius. So that this number, 43 ,200, is also related to the precession of the Earth's axis. Is that all true? You know, I am not objecting any theory, but you have to understand every day I hear a theory about a pyramid.

54:47But that one is an amazing theory.

54:50Piers Morgan:If that theory is true, it is mind-blowing. Do you think it's true? No, Henry. Send it to me, I will study it. You've not heard it? It's the same number on the Sumerian kings list. 43 ,200 has been seen in ancient history inexplicably. And the Sumerians are the earliest document human civilization we have, and that number ties in with them. Real quick, I'm sorry, but Zahi, you didn't answer my prior question. Have you guys gone in and explored that hidden chamber? And if not, when will you be doing so? because to be honest, we could do it by the end of the weekend. It's not difficult to drill a half-inch diameter hole and send in an endoscope carrier.

55:26So have we been in there? And if not, when are we going, brother? I need to know. This will answer all of our questions. If you want to squash debate involving, you know, the conspiracy theorists and everything, all we got to do is go in and look. We know where it's at. We could drill a hole. This is doable. Yeah, I agree. Why can't you just go in? I answered your question, and I said— You're saying we have not gone in and explored that chamber. Is that correct? Can you please let me to answer you? Yes. I already answered you, and I said, all these voids that we found, the ScanPyramid team and the English team, right now we are discussing and studying how we are going to get in.

56:10You cannot just go in directly like this. You have to make a study. You have to research it. You have to decide as a scientist, when can you do it? And when we can use it? It's been nine years. We do that, we can... Nine years, brother. I mean, look, we sent rockets... Nine years. We sent rockets to the... Hang on. You are wrong. Dr.

56:29Piers Morgan:Hawash, we have sent rockets to the moon since the 60s. I mean, the idea we can get to the moon in space rockets, but we can't get inside a chamber of a tomb in a pyramid. I mean, come on. Do you want me to answer now or is it still any talk? Look, I told you what we found inside the Great Pyramid. And I told you this year, 2025, is the year that we are studying how can we enter inside these voids. And he said nine years. Yes, it can take more than nine years. This is the pyramid of Egypt. This is something valuable. This is one of the seven wonders of the world. You just can go and boom and drill like this.

57:12You have to be sure that this drill is important to discover something. OK. That is not nine years. We have been working since nine years until today.

57:23Piers Morgan:I hear you. Let me bring in Dan Richards. Dan, what would you like to say to Dr. Arwas? Because there is obviously, there's been a kind of raging conflict between what people see as the establishment imgitologists, who have kind of access and control, and then all you guys who would probably love to get that kind of access and control but don't have it. What do you view about what he's been saying? Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Pierce. It's good to meet you, Zahi. I have a quick, when you were on Joe Rogan, you said that you didn't know what Zep Tepe was. And I figured I would give you a chance.

57:59I would imagine as the premier Egyptologist in the world, you do know the Egyptian creation myth. Would you mind just explaining it to us real quick so that to kind of vindicate yourself and show the world you do know what Zeb Tepe is? No, I mean, I know about the ancient Egyptian creation, but maybe I don't know this term. But what I am saying, what this has to do with what we are discussing now. Oh, it's very important because, I mean, it's the ancient Egyptian creation myth involves a primeval mound, right? And this is a symbolic Benzema. This is something you're going to see all over the ancient world.

58:36So that term Zepepepi is, you see it in Egyptian without the vowels, but it's the Egyptian creation myth. So it's kind of important. It's a very important lens to use when you're interpreting these artifacts. So when you were on Joe Rogan and he asked you what it was and you said you didn't know what it was. So honestly, if you wouldn't mind, it's a good chance to vindicate yourself. No. I teach the Egyptian creation, but I am saying this term that you're talking about, I never heard of it. Maybe I never heard it in the world of ancient biology. Maybe it's between the others, but I can tell you about creation, how the Egyptians created this world.

59:21But I don't understand why this has to do with the pyramid.

59:27Piers Morgan:Dan, let me ask you just on the wider point of the recent discovery by Dr. Harwell, I saw the claim from the research that there were no slaves involved in the building of the pyramids. To me, that's ludicrous. I mean, I worked construction for a long time and they're using the food and the graves and stuff. And I mean, I saw many construction workers eating McDonald's while there was other construction workers eating steak. It just depends on if he's a foreman, if he's an engineer, if he's just a grunt. The painters don't eat as good as the electricians who don't eat as good as the engineers and the architects.

1:00:01So, you know, having 10 ,000 people buried in the shade of the pyramid in a grave, mind you, that only says they worked for Khufu, it never says that they built the pyramids. So that's a stretch. It's an assumption that these are pyramid builder graves. But in addition to that, there could be graves of tens of thousands of slaves off the site that haven't been discovered that were doing all of the grunt work while somebody else was holding the plumb bob. So to me, to me, it's ludicrous to say there were no slaves involved.

1:00:30Piers Morgan:But to be clear and to be fair to Dr. Haworth, you don't know for a fact that it's not true. What do you say? Of course not. That's that's I mean, that's ancient history. Right. We can all speculate, we can all spitball, but the only things we really know are carbon dating and written records, kind of, sort of. But, I mean, we fudge written records all the time, even today. All right. Jimmy, you raised your hand. I completely agree with everything that Dan just said. However, something very important for all of us to be humbled by is the fact that the Great Pyramids of Giza were allegedly created by the Old Kingdom.

1:01:04And there's a few things that need to be considered when we discuss what we think we know and what we don't know about the pyramids construction, which is that after the pyramids construction, there was three other changes of kingdom within Egypt. Old kingdom, middle kingdom, new kingdom. And between them are missing chapters of human history within Egypt. For example, between the old kingdom and the middle kingdom is approximately 126 years of completely missing history. It's conjecture. We think that it may have been a revolt within Egypt, a civil war, but something happened to completely overthrow the fourth dynasty going into the fifth dynasty.

1:01:39And then between the Middle Kingdom and the New Kingdom is approximately 186 years of missing history. So the point that I'm making is that within each of those two chapters of missing history, that's longer than any human lifespan. It's multiple generations, which means that nobody was alive afterwards to say what was happening before. We have absolutely no idea how the pyramids were constructed, how or even precisely when. And actually, I should point out that, Zahir, you mentioned about the movement of stones, and you cited that 60-ton stone that they depict being moved on a wooden sledge. Well, that is only 60 tons, whereas the Egyptians had moved the 1 ,000-metric-ton Ramiseum statue.

1:02:191 ,000-metric tons is well over 2.2 million pounds, and it was inexplicably moved approximately 170 miles from Aswan to Luxor. That is 17 times heavier than that statue that you repeatedly cite. Not twice as heavy, not five times as heavy, not 10 times as heavy, 17 times heavier. And I'm not, are we to pretend that wooden sleds are infinitely scalable? The reality is that there is a mystery here. We don't know how they constructed the pyramids. We don't know how they lifted and stacked 80-ton stones 300 feet above the ground. And again, I just would like your clarification. Are you saying that there has been no exploration into any of those hidden voids yet above the Grand Gallery?

1:03:02Can you tell me in good faith that you're certain that nobody within the Egypt Ministry of Antiquities has explored that yet?

1:03:09Piers Morgan:OK, well, a lot to unpack there. So first of all... Yes or no, Zahi. Sorry, Piers. Dr. Hawass, answer that last question definitively. You know, you've been asked it directly. Are you saying on the record there has been no exploration in the way that Jimmy Corsetti says? Jimmy, I want you to understand this conspiracy theory that you do have is wrong completely. we do not hide anything if the egyptian listen if we do have any evidence that pyramids are back 15 000 years old what's wrong with this we'll announce this we are not against anything but what i am saying we are not hiding anything and you have to know this your theory that we have something that you hide is not true.

1:04:07Always any discovery and any excavation. I'm not hiding anything.

1:04:13Piers Morgan:What about the second point that Jimmy made, which is surrounding the Ramasseh, which was 1 ,000 tonnes? How did that get moved? You know, I want to give you one thing. We have, I can give you three evidence of moving stones. We have the Uadiljarf papyri. Do you know anything about this papyri? I do not. The papyri is talking about an overseer of a workman who went to Totora to cut the white fine limestone for the casing of the pyramid. And he talked about his boss. His name is Didi. Those stones are like four or six times at the most. You have in the Middle Kingdom. And by the way, when it comes to that papyrus, you keep talking about it says absolutely the word pyramid is not mentioned one single time answer you do not i gave you the time to talk give me the time to answer you please you never said yes or no to that prior question about exploring that you didn't say yes or no you said there's no secrets but yes or no have you been in there I told you we are talking now.

1:05:28We are searching now. We are discussing now. How can we enter this voids? I know that that's true, but have you done it yet? No, I told you this year it will happen. It will happen this year before the end of 2025 and the beginning of the year, we are going to show all the voids inside the pyramid live. All right, Dr. Harbos, let me ask you. In a TV.

1:05:56Piers Morgan:Dr. Harbos, let me ask you. What is the one thing you are desperate to discover about the pyramids which you've never been able to answer yourself? Number one, I want to tell Jimmy that we found all the evidence of how the Great Pyramid was built. Completely. No, because you have to explain how they lifted and stacked 80-ton stones 300 feet above the ground. And prior to that, they were moved 500 miles from Aslan. We have it shown. We have it shown in scenes in tombs in the Middle Kingdom and the New Kingdom and the Old Kingdom. You have to go and read about this. But number two... Which tomb?

1:06:36I already know that that's not true. But I know that that's not true. So for the audience, why don't you cite which tomb so we can Google it upon ourselves. The tomb of Juhuti Khutib at Daryl Bersha. It shows 172 men are moving a 60-tons statue. Which is 17 times less weight than the Ramesses statue.

1:07:01Piers Morgan:How do you move a thousand ton stone, like you said? How do you do that? Do you know, I want to show you today, our workmen today, who are the descendants of the workmen in the past. They move in front of me more than 60 ,000 tons. This is the national project. This Egyptian who lived in the time of Ramses II. This is in the old kingdom. There's absolutely no documentation of any kind describing how the pyramids were constructed. Again, there's missing history that happened right after. You are wrong. Out of the 100 ,000 hieroglyphs in Egypt, there's not one single one that depicts or otherwise describes in any capacity the construction of the pyramids.

1:07:45And again, that diary that you keep citing actually doesn't include the word pyramid whatsoever. Just like Dan Richards had just said, it's an assumption. You know, Zahi, if you would like to invite me out to show me, you know, the exploration of this hidden void, I think it'd be very good for the influence of the various influencers within this community. I agree that are concerned that things have not been shared on the up and up. I'd actually like to come like you.

1:08:07Piers Morgan:I'd like to come as the impartial guide on that trip, actually. Let me bring Dan back in. Dan, out of interest, the same question to you, Dan. Hang on one sec, Dr. Howard. Dan Richards. What is the thing you would most like to just know for sure about the pyramids? Well, honestly, as a guy who's worked construction a lot, there's one of the questions that are unanswered about the construction of the pyramids. You can say that you know how they've lifted the stones all you want, but the squaring of that edifice to itself. The Great Pyramid has about a two-inch deviation on a 756-foot run. That's less than a thousandth of a percent.

1:08:46You can't do that with ropes because they're going to sag. You can't do it with putting sticks back to back because you're going to get errors. Nowadays, we use transits and lasers. You know, 500 years ago, they built the observatory at Greenwich, and it's not remotely as accurate to itself as the Great Pyramid. So honestly, I would just like to know how the hell they got it so perfectly accurate in its own footprint. How did you how would they square something on that size? It's like machine age, machine age accuracy on a gigantic scale. So do you have any idea how they squared the edifice, Dr.

1:09:20Hawass? Did you go to Dachshur to see the pyramids of Kufu's father? No, I have not been to Egypt, but I'm aware of the pyramids of Dachshur. If you haven't been in Egypt, how can you based on what you see? Because you have to know one thing. When the Egyptians began to think about building Kufu pyramids, You have to know they choose Giza Plateau because Giza Plateau is a part of the Mukattan formation. Level 1 and 2 are very bad stones, but level 3 has the best quality of the stones. The stones were building the pyramid came 1 ,000 feet away from the base of Khufu pyramid, and we located the location of the quarry.

1:10:08But before they moved the stones, they had to cut in the solid rock until they made the base of the pyramid of solid rock, no stones. And they established a ramp from the quarry to the southwest corner. The ramp was constructed of stone, rubble and sand. And we excavated the route of this ramp and we found it. then the egyptian had a team cut sorry can i i'm sorry yes go ahead the egyptian divided the workman as we hear from wadil jarf babairi that i would like jimmy to read first before he can talk to me the wadil jarf i've been there three times don't come at me like that i've been to giza three times i loved it and i would love to go out there with you i I'm not talking about Disa now.

1:11:02I know it sounds like I'm sharpshooting you, but... I'm talking about the Wadiljar papyri. You have to leave it. And it says what? It doesn't say anything. It doesn't say anything about how they constructed the pyramids. I'm talking about the accuracy. How they made it so square. It's extremely perfect, and it's the kind of thing that we can't do today without lasers. You can't do it with ropes. You can't do it with sticks. So there's a mystery there. What's your conclusion? No, I need to understand. What is your conclusion? What do you want to say? My conclusion is they used, you know, the plate with many rings, like a target that you have in the museum in Tyro?

1:11:45I believe that that was a target that they used a concave mirror and used the pinpoint of light to fill up circles at different distances. I haven't been able to test that, but that's... No. They had to use something more than ropes because you can't get that kind of accuracy without. something better. I'm trying to keep it low tech. Again, my question, what is your conclusion? If the Egyptians did not do this, who did it, in your opinion? I'm not saying the Egyptians didn't do it. I'm talking about specific problems and how to solve them. I don't care if Gandhi did it. I'm talking about how to get it squared.

1:12:20And so I'm trying to answer that without going to lasers or ancient high tech. But honestly, the issue here, as I see it, is you're telling me that the problem's solved. I'm telling you that if I was tasked with doing that, as a guy who's been tasked with pouring foundations, I couldn't do that. I would be looking at it going, I'm going to need better tools than what you had available.

1:12:41Piers Morgan:Could it be that they were just better back then at construction than we are now? Well, you're talking about a margin of error. So, I mean, you still have to figure out how they measure it. I mean, there were geniuses all over the place in that period of the history of the planet. You know, I mean, why couldn't they just have had construction geniuses who, bereft of things like lasers, had to come up with other brilliant ideas to do? I mean, look, somebody built this, right? I want to know the idea. Somebody built this. I have to assume they were humans. It's most likely they were Egyptian humans.

1:13:17Piers Morgan:So we should be able to agree on those broad parameters. The fascinating thing about the pyramids is we just don't really know how they did it. And I hope... And it exceeds the known capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians. Yeah. What's that, sorry? The pyramids themselves exceed the known capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians. Right. So that's what makes it so fascinating. And look, we've run out of time. I could talk about this for hours. I've become a real Egypt pyramid nerd because of this. But I actually love your idea, Jimmy, that we all go out to the pyramids. maybe the moment you get inside these chambers and we actually discover maybe the secrets of one of the great wonders of the world.

1:13:58Piers Morgan:I've got to leave it there. Thank you very much, Dr. Hawass, for joining me. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. But I will be happy to see all of you in Cairo and take you on a tour and show you what I'm talking about. I would actually love to see the pyramids. I think it would be an amazing episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored. Let's go on the road. Let's go to the pyramids. I'm waiting. Let's do it. I'm waiting for you, and I will give you a personal tour. Love it. I'm in. Done. Agreed. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing.

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