“NOBODY Has Won!” Cracks Already Show in Gaza Ceasefire | Piers Morgan Interviews Hamas Hostage

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0:30Piers Morgan:What was the moment that you realized they had been killed? Please bring me in Lian, Noyan, Yehel. And she said that my mother and my sister will tell me. And of course, this is the moment I knew that the worst thing happened to me. I'm going to disarm, because they said they were going to disarm. And if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. Hamas has been defeated. They're decimated. They no longer have a real military force. The land of Israel is 45 miles. 45 miles. It's not even the city of London. and you want to stick two states inside an area of 45 miles. All Israelis must face the reality and the truth here.

1:05Nobody is defeated and nobody has won a war.

1:09Piers Morgan:The Palestinian people deserve their freedom. The fragile peace in Gaza is holding for now, but the slow release of the bodies of hostages has prompted fury in Israel leading to retaliation. The rapid crossing is temporarily closed and aid into Gaza will be reduced. President Donald Trump has warned Hamas if they don't give up their weapons, then they may be quickly and violently disarmed. Meanwhile, violent clashes have erupted in the Strip between Hamas and rival groups, with a terror organisation publicly executing blindfolded enemies in the street. I will be discussing the latest developments of the peace deal with my panel shortly.

1:45Piers Morgan:But first, I'm joined by Eli Sharabi, who was kidnapped from his home by Hamas on 7th October and held hostage for 491 days. His wife and two daughters were killed during the attack. His brother Yossi was also kidnapped, but died in captivity, and Yossi's body was released by Hamas this week. Eli has written a book about his experience called Hostage. Well, Eli, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Opus. I've not had the opportunity to interview a hostage who was taken in Israel. Let me first of all start by just asking you to summarise your experience when you were in captivity?

2:31It was, of course, hell for me, like for all the hostages. Humiliation, daily basis, loads of psychological terror by the captors, violence from time to time, and you know really bad hygienic conditions taking showers once in six weeks with the half bucket of cold water no soap no toothpaste and of course the worst thing was the starvation starvation that made in purpose because the when we ate one meal a day when I say one meal it's one and a half pita bread, dry pita bread. They used to eat five meals a day.

3:24Piers Morgan:What was it that sustained you when you were in captivity? Did you expect that you would one day be released? Did you fear you might never come out? What was your psychology when you were in there? Me, personally, I will always try to believe that one day will come and I will be released. I really, really wanted to believe that. I kept thinking, you know, in an optimistic way that helped me to survive, helped me to be in a good mood and not to be depressed. And that's where I thought it's the best way to survive there. One of the many terrible aspects of your story, Eli, is that I imagine you had no idea what had happened to your family, to your wife and two daughters.

4:14Piers Morgan:So take me back to October the 7th and exactly what happened that day before you were kidnapped. Of course, it was since half past six o 'clock in the morning. It was alarms all over Israel from missiles that had been shot from Gaza. We've been in a safe room with our daughters, with our dog. and four hours later

4:46the Hamas terrorists invaded to our house after four hours ago they infiltrated Kibbutz Berry just half an hour before that Lian and I made the decision that we are not going to fight back we have no weapons to fight back or something like that and we presume I'll be kidnapped and they have their British passports, Leanne, Noya and Yahel, and we were sure it will protect them. And then the first seconds they opened the door, the safe room door, you know, we said to them they have British passports and they understood everything. So three minutes later, they kidnapped me and five minutes after the kidnap, They murdered, they slaughtered Noi Aiahel and Gleann in our house.

5:45Piers Morgan:But you didn't know that. You had been kidnapped. So for the entire time that you were in captivity, you were clinging to the hope, I imagine, that your family may have survived. Yes. Thanks God nobody told me that. It helped me a lot to survive, motivate me to survive, that I know that one day I'll come back, and as I promised, as I promised to my daughters before the kidnap, and I would just... All the idea, you know, that I'm going to see them one day and hug them again and kiss them again, and I promised myself all the time that I'll take them and move to London and live there. What was the moment that you realised they had been killed?

6:38Piers Morgan:How soon after your release? The minute they passed the Red Cross, transferred me to the IDF on the border, a social worker approached me and told me that my mother and my sister were waiting for me in Reim camp. And I said to her, please bring me in Lian, Noya and Gehel. and she said that my mother and my sister will tell me. And of course, this is the moment I knew that the worst thing happened to me, that they'd been murdered on October 7. It was like, you know, five kilo hammer on my head. I cried. But then I remember that, you know, after this cry and they tried to calm me down, I remember that where I'm getting the friends from and it's always from my family.

7:32So I wanted to see my mother and my sister and hug them and that's what happened.

7:39Piers Morgan:I can't even imagine the rollercoaster of emotions that you were going through. The joy and jubilation of finally being released and then the devastation of discovering your wife and daughters had died. but then seeing other family members, your mother, your sister, it must have been just an extraordinarily tumultuous rollercoaster for you. It was. It was a rollercoaster of feelings, you know. But it started two days before the release that the Hamas commander announced me in the tunnel that my brother Yossi was kidnapped as well on October 7 and been killed three months after the day that he was kidnapped.

8:32And so it started already there. And I just waited to hug Noya and Yahel and Lian on the border. I imagined that. And then with all this, you think it's going to be the happiest day ever, the day that they transferred me to the IDF and I'll feel safe again. And instead of that, they told me about my family, the loss of my family. But I'm a very practical man. I know I can't do anything to bring them back. And I need to, you know, I can't let the grief to wrap me and bury me. and I always look for ways to move on and I have to stay optimistic and I want to rebuild my life. And that's what I rely on, that maybe they see me from heaven and are very proud of me.

9:40Piers Morgan:How emotional was it for you to see that Yossi's body had been returned this week? How important was it to you that his body came back? It was very, very important, very emotional, of course. My family, the Sharabi's family, have been in this battle mode to bring him back, his body back, almost two years. And I joined them eight months ago. and it was very, very important for us to bring him back to Israel and bury him and we'll have a grave to cry on now and his daughters and his wife have a place to come and be with him when they need. So for us, it's a closure. It's a very sad closure, but we feel almost lucky that we got Yossi's back, you know, Yossi's buddy back.

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11:06Piers Morgan:So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of$45 for three months,$90 for six months, or$180 for 12-month plan required. $15 per month equivalent. Taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only. Greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. See terms. President Trump obviously made a lightning visit to the region. Many people credit him with finally getting this deal done to at least allow the hostages, remaining hostages to be returned, and although it hasn't been completed yet, the expectation that all of those who died in captivity will be returned.

11:44Piers Morgan:How much credit do you give Donald Trump for this? I give to President Trump and Mr Witkoff. I give a lot of credit. I give them a lot of credit to my agreement when I was released on February 25, and I met them on March 25. I arrived to the West Wing. in Washington. And thank them. I was very grateful that they secured my release. And of course, now all this, I hope the war comes to an end. We have to give them a lot of credit, all the pressure they put on Mr. Netanyahu, the Prime Minister Netanyahu and Hamas side. and that's very, very important. We know as Israel and Israelis, we always look for peace and we want to live in peace and quiet and I think we deserve it after two years and maybe now we can start to heal from our trauma.

12:45Piers Morgan:And what are your feelings towards Prime Minister Netanyahu? He's a divisive figure in Israel. Many support his actions. They support the way he's prosecuted the war. Many other Israelis do not. and they hold him accountable for what happened on October 7th. And obviously he's facing corruption charges when this is all over too. So a controversial figure. What are your feelings about Netanyahu? First of all, it's great that we are a democracy and we have disagreements. That's great. We are probably the only country in this area that can criticise our prime minister or agree with him or not agree with him.

13:26That's great. So I'm not going to give any grades to my prime minister. And I'm sure I have some disagreements with him along the way. But it doesn't really matter. He is the prime minister. He chose how to handle this war and how to manage it. And so I'm not a politician. I'm not going to give him any grades.

13:52Piers Morgan:Eli, finally, what do you hope happens now? The bombing has stopped. the hostages have been released. What do you hope happens in the region? Many people think the only way this could ever be properly resolved is with a two-state solution, with Palestinians having the same rights as Israelis. What do you feel about that? Again, I'm not going to give my opinion about two states or not. Really, I'm not an expert in that. But I hope the agreement they signed and led by the U.S. government, it will be all, you know, in fact, in our reality. And Hamas will disarm from his weapon. And maybe we'll have some agreements with other countries in the area.

14:50It will be great, as I said, Israel and for me, you know, as Israeli and many of my friends and I think most of the Israelis want to live in quiet, in peace. We wish for that. We wish. So I really hope that's what it's going to be.

15:09Piers Morgan:Well, Eli, it's been it's been great to talk to you. It's been quite harrowing to hear your story and what happened to you. I wish you all the very best with your life I hope you get the peace that you want both for yourself and for your people and I greatly appreciate you coming on Uncensored to talk about this thank you very much thank you very much for having me just for last thing can you recognise this hat? ah let me see hang on I need to get your make Arsenal great again I love that yes well my friend Ruben is Arsenal fan and he gave it to me. Well, I'm more a Man U fan, so, you know. Well, I think the honest truth is that Arsenal are looking pretty great again, but Manchester United, I regret to say, Elliot, are not.

16:03Unfortunately, Man U doesn't look really good now. I know. No. We had our time. We had our time, and maybe it will come back one day.

16:13Piers Morgan:You know what? I would like that because I loved our rivalry. And at the moment, there's not much rivalry. But I think Arsenal may win the league this year. You better get used to that idea, I think. Maybe we meet one day in Emirates Stadium. I would love that. I would love to do that. It would be great to meet you in person. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Remarkable man. Joining me to discuss the latest on the peace plan is the experienced hostage negotiator Gershon Baskin and retired IDF brigadier General Amir Avivi. you. Well, welcome to both of you. Gershon Baskin, it was really fascinating to talk to a man who spent 491 days in captivity at the hands of Hamas, talking in such a measured way, notwithstanding his devastating personal loss, about his desire for peace and for Israelis and, you know, for everyone in the region, Palestinians, everyone else, to be able to lead a different life, one of peace.

17:13Piers Morgan:What did you make of it? Definitely a remarkable man. We've seen a lot of Eli Sharabi on television since he was released. And he said some really heartening things to the Israeli public that have stayed with us. He's made some statements that every Israeli quotes from now and then. He talked about the issue of returning the hostages is not a difference between left and right, but straight. This is the Israeli values. This is the basis of Israeli society, the social solidarity, that we have the commitment of the Israeli government and the Israeli army to bring everyone home, to never leave someone behind.

17:52And unfortunately, it's been two years now and too long. Too many people have been left behind. But it's wonderful to see someone like Eli who's gone through such a horrible episode in his life and losing his family and coming out with such a positive, optimistic attitude. It is really, you use the word, it's remarkable.

18:12Piers Morgan:Yeah, it was very moving, actually, and very inspiring. Let me ask you, though, Gershon, you've been, I know, very instrumental in having a lot of conversations with the Americans who were involved in trying to facilitate this deal. You know, many people are sceptical that this deal will hold. Many people are sceptical that there can be peace out of all this, but others are hopeful. And one of them is Donald Trump, who seems to have used his tremendous force of personality to barrel this deal through. How optimistic are you that this deal could hold and actually lead to a sustainable peace? Yeah, optimism is very difficult to hold in this region, but I'm an optimist.

18:56It's in my DNA. And I know about the in and outs of the agreement and what's been disclosed to the public and what's still in the works. I am optimistic. Even my conversations with Mr. Whitcoff in the last days have stressed the importance of the Americans holding Israel and Hamas to the agreement. We're seeing difficulties. These difficulties were to be expected. Both sides have breached the agreement already substantively, and yet the agreement will hold. I don't believe that Hamas is playing with the issue of the bodies. There are objective realities on the ground, including the fact that they don't have a forensic laboratory, that most of the commanders who are responsible for the bodies of the Israeli hostages are no longer alive.

19:36They were killed by Israel. The fact that thousands of Gazans are declared unaccounted for or missing underneath the rubble of buildings that Israel bombed, and it's very likely that Israeli hostages might be underneath those buildings as well. So I think they built in this international mechanism of Turkey, Egypt, and Qatar to ensure that Hamas meets its obligations to search for the bodies. There are a couple of hundred Turks in the Gaza Strip today. Egyptians were brought in yesterday. They will hold Hamas to their commitment. I suggested both to the Israelis today and to Mr. Witkoff that they post a cash reward to anyone in Gaza who has information about where bodies might be held.

20:18We also have to understand that Israel is occupying 50 % of the Gaza Strip. 90 % of the Gazans are in the place where Hamas controls, which is 50%. There might be bodies in the 50 % of the land of Gaza where Israel is in control. So a lot more work has to be done. And Israel can't have excuses for opening up fire. There have been accusations that Israel has killed Gazans in the last couple of days and kidnapped others, fired on them with tanks and with drones. That has to be verified that there were justified reasons for doing that. And if not, the Americans need to call the Israelis to the task and tell them to cease and desist.

20:56We have to keep this going. There will be a United Nations Security Council resolution next week providing international legitimacy and legality for the agreement, including a mandate for the international presence that will come to Gaza made up of Arab countries and European countries and others. Things are on the road. There will be a new Palestinian government declared soon, a Palestinian security force that's been trained in Egypt over the last months. A lot of work to do, a lot of moving pieces. There's two million Gazans who are homeless in a wet, cold winter is coming to Gaza. They need housing quickly, caravans and tents.

21:33Tremendous amount of work to do. But I think that everyone is committed to it. The Israelis, the Hamas and the mediators, which are most important, the United States, needing that.

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23:52Piers Morgan:Again, text my name, Piers, to 989-898. Do it today. Well, I'm a big believer in peace-proof strengths, just as President Trump stated again and again. I would like, you know, to frame for a moment what happened in Washington and everything that we are seeing now. When I was watching the dynamics in Washington, it reminded me of the Yalta Convention. You know, three months before Nazi Germany was defeated, it was obvious that they were going to lose the war. And at this moment, Churchill, together with Roosevelt and Stalin, they convened in Yalta and discussed two things. What is Germany the day after?

24:38And what is going to be the world order the day after? I think this is exactly what happened in Washington. There was a clear understanding that Hamas has been decisively defeated. It was obvious that it would take maybe a month or two and Hamas will be completely defeated. And then this realization brought everybody, all the Arab world, also the Turks, the Qataris, to the table to discuss what is Gaza the day after what is this new world order or this alliance, this Western-Israeli-Moderate-Sunni alliance that is going to emerge in the coming months. And I'm very, very optimistic that there will be peace agreements.

25:17Israel is going to sign many peace agreements in the coming year that will extend all the way to Indonesia, possibly Malaysia, Pakistan, Oman, Saudi Arabia. The Prime Minister of Israel spoke in the UN about Lebanon, Syria. Everybody is reaching out and they want to have this alliance with the U.S. As for the Palestinian arena, I think it will take a very, very long time because the whole issue of Gaza is going to take a long time to really make big changes. And also I must say that in the mountains of Judea and Samaria, what's called the West Bank, The society is very much against the Palestinian Authority.

26:04They detest them. And we really, really need to think out of the box, looking at new solutions that will be also acceptable by the Palestinian society, but will also adhere to Israel's national security needs for the long term.