Piers Morgan Debates Trans Athletes - Compilation Feat Matt Walsh & Riley Gaines

18:02Piers Morgan:Can you answer my question? Again. Again. When we talk about trans people, we're talking about gender identity. We're not just focused on sex. That's not my question. That's not my question. What y 'all like to do is reduce conversations down to sex. What you all like to do. And you try to apply it to what's happening in the Olympics. Okay. And I'm asking you a very. And I'm asking you. Trans women shall participate in the Olympics. The next Olympics. And I think what you're doing is spreading misinformation. I don't want to have to mute you again. And you are spreading conservative propaganda that should not be.

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19:57Because men and women are different. We have different physical ceilings. It's the same reason why you have any category. It's the same reason why we have the Paralympics versus the Olympics. It's the same reason why we have weight classes in boxing. We don't have weight classes in boxing because we are fat shaming people who weigh more. No, we have weight classes because it would be unfair. We know the outcome. Every single person, kindergartners, know the outcome of what would happen if we had a 220-pound man fight a 170-pound man. It's the same reason why we have age divisions. We don't have 12 and unders or PB leagues.

20:30She doesn't know that. What if that 220-pound man has the agility to beat that 220-pound man? That makes no sense. So you want to base all of the Olympics off of exception. Your answer makes no sense. That makes no sense. Y 'all don't know anything about somebody's biochemistry. Somebody's biology, you do not know. You do not know, Riley. I'm sorry. You absolutely do not know about somebody's biology. You just admitted you're not an athlete. Everybody's chemistry is made differently. You have never competed at the highest level. I have. I don't have to be an athlete to talk about this because this affects my community because I am trans.

21:09Piers Morgan:You know what we're going to try. Why don't we try? Can we please stop talking at the same time? If you talk at the same time, Blossom, if you talk at the same time, nobody can hear either of you. Okay? So, Blossom, let's start with you again. A simple question. I'll tell you why they separate the sexes, just as Riley has. It's because men have a physical advantage over women, which would mean that women would not win more than a handful of medals in the entire Olympics. Would you be happy if it was a gender-neutral Olympics? Why are we... Hang on. Answer my question. Women are just as strong as men.

21:49I'm asking you. I'm sorry. Women are just as strong as men. So just to be clear... Women are just as powerful as men. And I don't believe that.

21:58Piers Morgan:Okay, Blossom. That's just your opinion. That's not always fact. Blossom, if the world number one tennis player... I don't buy it. Okay, you know that Serena Williams admits that she would be beaten by the top thousand men in the world at tennis, right? You know that. Do you? No, I did not. You did not know that. So, you don't know that. You don't know why men and women get their pen and their face? I would like to read those receipts. Both Serena and Venus Williams lost in a blue... Are you waving them around? What? You can look it up to the 203rd ranked male player. He drank in between sets, smoked in between sets, and played 18 holes of golf before and admitted that he played like a 600 male ranked player.

22:39And they lost in a blowout. And they are phenoms, the best of the best. No other woman for a while even could come close to them. And they got beat by a man. Let me repeat it. In a blowout, the 203rd ranked male player who admitted he played like a 600 ranked player drank, spoke between sets, and played 18 holes of golf before.

22:57Piers Morgan:Blossom, just to be clear, would you want the American Olympics, the LA Olympics, would you want them to be gender neutral where the sexes compete with each other? Absolutely. I don't see anything wrong with it. I think as long as it's inclusive of trans men and non-binary people... Do you also believe that we should... Why not? It's completely insane. This country was built on diversity, equity and inclusion. Exactly! This is why that's so nuts. that does include cis women like right. And you know what you would do? You would exclude all women from winning medals. Well done. That's not true. That is not true.

23:39Can we talk about Leah Thomas? Now, I bring up Leah Thomas because Riley knows her very well. I bring up Leah Thomas because the reality is, yes, she won some games, but Leah also lost some games to cis women. So there are some cis women who are faster than Leah. There are some cis women who are stronger than Leah. And again, when we talk about genetics, there are some cis women that have natural higher testosterone levels than trans women. That's why some of them may look more masculine. Iman Khalif had to experience that transphobia, which, by the way, transphobia affects all women. And now that Trump has excluded trans women from playing in sports, all women are going to be subjected to rigorous tests to make sure that they're not trans.

24:25And that does include cis women. I don't care how feminine they look. You could potentially be subjected to these rigorous tests because Donald Trump took his peanut head red orange behind and signed an executive order that he doesn't even know anything about. He's a convicted felon, 34 felonies, right? We also need to be focusing on letting convicted felons in this country vote since we elected a convicted felon, right? There's so much more work the economy is tanking here in America. All right, Riley? Gas prices are high. Okay. Why is Trump focused so much on trans people? Because he wants to preserve the integrity.

25:09Because guess what? I'll tell you why. You're not trans. I'll tell you why, Blossom.

25:18Piers Morgan:because he's up against complete lunatics like you who think it would be right to have a gender neutral olympics a gender neutral olympics is the most insane thing i've ever heard from any trans activist in history. Lunacy. Well, you haven't found that until you met me. I'm not your average trans woman, in case you didn't notice that. I'm not your average trans woman. Riley. People like Blossom are exactly why Donald Trump won on November 5th. Oh, girl, please. Girl, please. Donald Trump read the election, which is why he's sitting in office now. Can we mute this? Yeah, meat blossom, please, because you can't stop talking.

26:06Piers Morgan:Riley, you respond. People turned out, I believe, in masses to the polls on November 5th to embrace Donald Trump, to embrace the America First agenda, to embrace his Cabinet picks. But more so, I believe people turned out to the polls to reject absurdity. And that is exactly what the past 30 minutes have been on this program, Pierce, is totally, entirely and thoroughly absurd from top to bottom, saying there should be a gender-neutral Olympics? I know. Are you serious? Madness. Do you also believe, Blossom, that we should combine the Paralympics and the Olympics? I would love to hear an answer to that.

26:41Piers Morgan:OK, I'll ask her. Bring back Blossom. Blossom, should we combine the Paralympics with the regular Olympics? Have them all compete with each other? I mean, why not? And to go back to Riley's point, to that last one. Oh, my God. You are completely insane. Oh, my God. Go back to that last one. No, but then she actually said something that I wanted to respond to. So no Paralympian will win a medal. So your diversity, equity and inclusion turns out to be unequal and doesn't include any Paralympian or any woman. People went to the polls because they want prices to come down. People went to the polls.

27:17They went to the polls to vote because they had every right to.

27:22Piers Morgan:Yeah, and they voted for Donald Trump. You know why they voted for Trump? They did not. Donald Trump rigged that election, honey. I don't care what y 'all say. Donald Trump rigged that election. Donald Trump does not even have the capacity to even run this country. Okay, mute Blossom one more time. I want to thank Riley. Thank you, Blossom. Riley, thank you for engaging in this in the best way you could have done. There's a lot going on with the global economy. It's entirely reasonable to wonder what the effect will be on your savings and investments. Consider diversifying with gold through Birch Gold Group.

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28:44Piers Morgan:I think some of the things you've done in your current job, in my opinion, are essential for preserving the integrity of sport. And let's start with what I think is probably one of the most contentious things in world sport right now, which is this whole issue of trans athletes in women's sport. Donald Trump has come into office and immediately gone, right, there's a ban. We're not going to have in America trans athletes in women's sport. The immediate consequence of that is, of course, you've got the Olympics coming to Los Angeles, and he's made it clear that trans athletes will not be allowed into America if they intend to compete, which means they won't be able to compete in the Olympics as far as he's concerned because they won't get in past the border.

29:27Piers Morgan:First of all, what is your reaction to the moves he's made? I welcome the commitment to maintaining the integrity of women's sport. And for me, this is absolutely about the integrity of competition. I am by nature a social liberal. I really do not choose, nor do I have any predisposition to tell people how to live their lives. But when it comes to the biology of sport, it is very, very clear-cut. And actually, I'm surprised that it has been as contentious a discussion as it has become. It seems completely insane to me. I mean, I'm thinking about in 20, 30 years' time, I'm convinced we're going to look back on this period and think everybody went completely nuts because there's a reason at the Olympics that we separate the sexes.

30:21Piers Morgan:If we didn't, women would barely win a medal. Well, you would lose women's sport. Right. It would be destroyed. It is as simple as that. And I was confronted with this issue. I don't want to get into the weeds, but there are two quite distinct issues that at World Athletics we had to deal with. One was something called DSD, which is a male biology, and the other is transgender. And look, I'm not oblivious to the trauma that people go through if they do transition. I absolutely respect that. We have a working group at World Athletics looking at this and maintaining a watching view on changing science and the politics of this.

31:05We also have a transgender athlete on that commission. but when it comes to the female category in elite sport, it has to be sacrosanct. And the reason I think it's so important is that you cannot have young girls coming into the sport and sensing or feeling that at any stage there is a glass ceiling to their ability to perform at the very highest level and you cannot have, you just simply cannot have this lack of clarity. So World Athletics, we were very clear. We followed the science and that is critical. I think we've used language that is moderate. You know, we're not rabid here. And when I discuss this, I tend to always pull myself up short and say, I have two daughters.

31:58How would I feel if they were being discussed at this moment? So it's really important that we use language that is moderate. But for me, this is sacrosanct.

32:09Piers Morgan:What I don't like about the whole debate, and I haven't done from the start, is anyone that... I think my political leanings are probably not dissimilar to yours, right? I've always been a pretty liberal guy. Middle of the road. Yeah, exactly. And I've really resented the fact that if you try and defend women's rights to fairness and equality and safety, actually, you get... You have been until now. It's changing quite quickly. But you get branded instantly transphobic, as if somehow you're anti-trans people. It's a really interesting point you make. Funnily enough, when we made the decision, and this wasn't a unilateral decision, I have a councillor, I have 26 people on my council, male and female, I've got an executive board, we have a health and science team, but actually when we made the decision and we went out and properly articulated what our concerns were, We didn't end up in that landscape because we were very clear and we showed a lead.

33:09We took a lead here. And some other international federations, I'm very pleased, have followed in the same way. I don't condemn those that haven't because I can't sit here assuming that everybody's going to see the world the way I do. But, you know...

33:26Piers Morgan:But you're seeing it scientifically and biologically. I mean, there's a factual element to what you're doing. I think the other bodies who haven't taken action yet are just putting their head in the sand, hoping this all blows over and they haven't got to do anything, which is actually a form of moral cowardice. The worst position to be in here is where you have lack of clarity. You have to have clarity here because, you know, the world of sport needs a lead here. And we've thought about this long and hard. And it really does come down to the integrity. You know, if you have the integrity of sport absolutely at the heart of every decision you make and the welfare of the athletes at the heart of every decision you make, you won't go far wrong.

34:14And that's really those have been my two guiding pillars. If I let that go, then I've lost the integrity of the sport for women. And I'm just not prepared to do it.

34:25Piers Morgan:I mean, if you were at your peak, and I was in my late teens when you and Steve Overt and Steve Cram had your magnificent battles and instilled great pride in the country with your tremendous wins, but if you had decided at the time, right, I'm going to now identify as a woman, and the only criteria was that you just had to reduce your testosterone level, for example, which is the argument some people give, you've still got the physiology that you were given as a biological man. Therefore, you would have completely dominated women's sport to a degree that you would have broken the records, which could then never be broken again by an actual biological woman.

35:06Piers Morgan:That's always been my thing about it. You would also have deprived a biological woman, well, a woman, let's call them, they're not biological women, they're women, you would have deprived a woman of a place in an Olympic team, or World Championship team, because you're taking it and you would have won everything, right? That, to me, right there, is the problem. Piers, I could actually repeat word for word what you've just said. I don't actually dissent from any of it. Yeah. The challenge we've got is that we need to communicate this. We need to communicate it liberally and we need to communicate it in language that is not rabid.

35:42It is follow the science. Have you thought about what... And for me, it's really clear. Yeah. Gender must not override biology. Because if you do, then you are into a really dangerous landscape.

35:57Piers Morgan:Have you thought about what happens to trans athletes? In other words, you know, I want trans people to have the same rights to fairness, equality and safety as I want for women and for men. And the right to compete in sport. And it seems to me there's only one of two ways that this gets resolved where they can continue to compete. You either have a new category for trans athletes, and it doesn't work with the other way around, with the trans men, because obviously they don't have the biological advantage. But for trans women, of whom there are an increasing number identifying as trans women, they either compete in a new category or they compete against their biological sex, it seems to me.

36:38Well, there may be a time, and it may not be that far. I'm not going to bind the hands of my successor at World Athletics. they will have to make a judgment in the fullness of time as whether you do have a third category. Do you think that's the only sensible way? No, I don't at this moment. No, I don't. But I'm not going to sit there, you know, when I'm not on the scenes telling everybody that, you know, because we did what we did when we did it. I tend to agree with you. I think we'll look back on this and see this as being a really... a big point of inflection. But again, this is something that needs to be clarified.

37:17The position we've taken in world athletics is that in elite level women's competition, we should not have transgender competitors. For all the reasons you pointed out, I talked about, you know, the ambition and aspiration of young girls to come into your sport. You absolutely need that. But there's another issue, and you raised it, and that is the residual physiological, biomechanical, anatomical advantage that you maintain. But we're not sitting here saying, nor do I have, I don't have the jurisdiction, I certainly don't have the moral disposition, to tell trans athletes they can't enjoy the physicality of sport.

38:01If a trans athlete wanted to run in the Falmouth 5K for the local hospital, I don't have a problem with that. No, why would anyone have a problem with that? But it fundamentally alters the dynamic of elite-level international sport for women, and that's where we've drawn the line.

38:21Piers Morgan:There's also, I think, a clear safety issue. If you looked at the women's boxing in the Olympics in Paris with Iman Khalif, who no-one's really quite sure what the situation is with Iman Khalif, other than she was banned from the World Championships for supposedly testing positive for male chromosomes. She has refused to have a test, a public test, to say either way. I think you want tests brought in. We agreed that the other day, and it's in line with every international medical standard. It's a simple swab test? Yes, absolutely. And it just determines whether you have male chromosomes. Exactly.

39:01And actually, there is an important element here as well, because for athletes with DSD, you're actually also wanting to identify the medical challenge. For those who don't know, what is DSD? It is effectively a woman, a girl that is born with male biology. And the production of testosterone is... Look, testosterone is the key determinant in competition. You know, let me again, if I can, I'm not a scientist, but if I can put this into sort of simple terms. When my daughters, your daughters, were competing in primary school sports, up to about the age of 11 or 12, they were probably seeing off most of the boys in the class.

39:47When puberty kicks in, the gap opens, and that gap doesn't close. So what we're really saying is that, Any athlete that passes through puberty should be clearly classified. And again, the issue around the boxing, it was just a lack of clarity.

40:09Piers Morgan:That was the problem. Well, I thought it was worse, actually, because you had someone who'd been banned from the World Championships over serious question marks about her alleged chromosomes. and you had a female fighter quitting after 40 seconds and saying afterwards, I've never been hit that hard. And I found that pretty scary, that you may have a situation where somebody who, for all intents and purposes, is male, beating up a woman in a boxing ring in the Olympics. There had to be more to it than simple identification of sex on a passport. Right. You know, it was really important that you have those systems in place.

40:52And that's really all we... What did you feel when you saw that? Well, I'm sorry, I was on the British Boxing Board of Control for six years and I have daughters. I mean, how do you think I feel?

41:03Piers Morgan:Tell me. Well, uncomfortable. Yeah. I think most people did. But, again, the people I think that were let down in that were, believe it or not, the competitors. I don't disagree with that. They were the athletes. If you'd had systems in place that were clear and concise... Which you had as world athletics. That couldn't have happened. That's the problem about it. And that's something we need to... That is something we have to address. So, to be clear, if you were to become president of the IOC, for example, you're in charge of the Olympics. One of the first things you'd want is to have utter consistency over issues like this across everyone competing.

41:43Yes, there is a clear caveat here because the international federations must themselves have the autonomy to make decisions that are in the best... Can you override them? No. And we probably shouldn't. The decision we took in world athletics was because we felt it was in the best interest of the sport. I'm not sitting here, I'm not the kind of leader that sits there and goes, one size fits all. But what I do think is it is incumbent upon the International Olympic Committee to at least set the tone and the thought leadership around this. And international federations, I think, would take a lead.

42:20The problem is that you just have... There's no clear-cut clarity around this. And until you get that, I'm afraid you will have more examples of what we've just talked about.

42:32Piers Morgan:I was watching CNN yesterday and they had a sprinter called Cece Telfer who was biologically male, competed as a male for a long time and then switched and said, I'm now a woman. And I made the point, I didn't mean to be transphobic at all. I just said, look, this is somebody who presents like a man, talks like a man, sprints like a man, is a tall, powerful athlete sprinter, and is now smashing women's records. And I said, I'm sorry, but to me, it's cheating. It's as much cheating as doping because you are deliberately seeking an unfair advantage over your competitors. Would you go as far as that?

43:11I'm not sure I would use... I absolutely understand where you're coming from on this. I'm not sure I would use that language. What I would say is that you've got to have systems in place that prevent that from happening. And that's... You've got to go absolutely back to basics here. Have your systems and everybody understands what that is. I mean, look, you know, there are there is a there are a set of records in one U.S. state that have been set by two boys that turned up in a state championship and just suddenly said to the organizing committee, we. I think CeCe Telfer was one of them. we're assigned as women.

43:53Well, you know, you've got to have clear-cut policies here because you're leaving even a local organising committee in a real quandary. If you have those decisions that are made at the top and they're filtered down and they're communicated properly, then, you know, you're going to obviate a lot of the pain for athletes in this as well. because this is not an easy situation for an athlete to be in. I don't sit here thinking that anybody that chooses to become, you know, to transition, to go through that transgender process is somebody that is going through anything other than a trauma.

44:35Piers Morgan:But I think we should listen to people like Caitlyn Jenner, who, when you were young, you remember as Bruce Jenner winning, you know, Olympic decathlon gold medal, wrapping himself at the time in a big American flag, but he's become a real voice of sanity in all this debate. Well, I know Caitlin very well. And, of course, you know, we were not quite contemporaries, but, you know, won games before me. And I had this conversation not that long ago in the US. And, I mean, to introduce a slightly comedic element, you know, she is absolutely clear that this has to be, you know, agreed with me, that you have to have clear-cut policies.

45:13And then laughed and said, I play golf. Do you think I whacked that off the women's tea? So there is a residual strain.

45:21Piers Morgan:But she was invited to go off the women's teas originally when she first... And she said no. And she teased off the men's teas. And that's why, interestingly, the compromise in the end, it could be there's a new category, or it could be they simply compete against their biological sex, as Caitlin does by going off the men's teas when she plays golf. I think there is a different scale of challenge here as well, because with all due respects, in athletics, you have somebody in that situation in an 800 metres or whatever it happens to be, they're probably going to win by half a straight. That's embarrassment and frustration.

45:59We're not a contact sport unless it goes horribly wrong and the judges have to get involved. So there is a much bigger challenge in contact sports and that's where the safeguarding element of this and the physical safeguarding is really critical.

46:16Piers Morgan:Do you... I mean, I'm not asking you to give a general view about President Trump, but on this issue, given he'll be president when the Olympics goes to LA, is he right on this? He's right on the principle that, as we've just talked about, I'm not going to get into the local conditions that he's setting about, you know, visas and all that. That is very much a US issue. If I become president of world athletics, I also am not Naeem Khoi. That's in my intray. But that's something I'm, you know, there's no certainty of outcome here. It's an election. As you know well, it's not an exact science. But that is something that clearly would be a challenge.

47:00But insofar as he has set out to protect the female category, then the logic of what I've said has to support that notion.

47:11Piers Morgan:What about Russia? Because they're currently banned by the IOC. Athletes from Russia and Belarus were only allowed to compete in Paris as neutral athletes. 32 of them competed. But I think you as World Athletics President, you went one step further and no track and field athletes from either country were allowed to compete even as neutral. Yeah, but there's a bit more of a history to that, if you don't mind me saying. I became president in 2015. Talking about in-trades, I had to deal with an in-tree that contained Russia that had, in the space of less than two years, 149 positive tests in athletics.

47:55It wasn't something I could sit on my hands and say, oh, one more news cycle, we'll sort this out. And there were other things that were going on at the same time. So in 2015, we suspended the Russian Federation. We set up a task force. It was independently chaired by one of the most eminent, you know, doping experts, anti-doping experts in Norwegian. And bit by bit and slowly by bit, over seven years, we actually got Russia into, and we have got them into a decent position, where the Athletic Integrity Unit, which is what I set up with my own reforms, has now got control of the testing. We've got two or three independent people.

48:40They've got a new federation. And actually, had the Russia-Ukraine situation not raised its head, they would have been ready to come back. And I would have been actually quite pleased with that because we'd been through the process, clearly. what works out, you know, what happens now is a little above my pay grade and is being, you know, discussed as we speak in Southgate. So we actually introduced the concept of neutral athletes. And when I did it, everybody said, oh, it'll never work. And within a year, everybody was actually using it. But when we got to the situation, and again, it's about integrity here.

49:23This wasn't about passports or politics. I actually studied Russian history, interestingly. That's not why we did it. The same guiding principles around what we've just discussed in transgender, for me, pertained in the Russia situation, and that is that we suddenly had lost a country who had a proud tradition in track and field from being able to compete properly. The male athletes were out on the front line, some of them losing their lives. female athletes were wondering where their husbands, boyfriends and coaches were. So it was just a very unequal situation. But, look, situations alter. We have a working group that will look and monitor this and will regularly report back to the councillors what situation must pertain.

50:15Piers Morgan:Teenage runner Aidan Gallagher became the Oregon Girls 200m state champion last week, posting one of the fastest times in the state's history with a remarkable display of power and stamina. But as Aidan crossed the finish line, something, well, pretty unusual happened. Instead of joyous cheering and adulation, many of the watching spectators loudly booed. 3-8-4 is Hester Jones and Roosevelt. 3-5 is a contested round number. Hester Jones and Roosevelt are back to work. Hester Jones and Roosevelt are back to work.

50:55Piers Morgan:Well, the same thing happened when Gallagher received a gold medal on the podium, but the runner-up was loudly cheered when she received her silver. And there's an explanation for all this. Gallagher was a transgender athlete who was born a biological male and therefore has a vastly superior physiology to show for it. And as viral video clips from the race show, Gallagher towered over many of the competing girls, displaying greater height, power and speed, they're frankly made a mockery of any pretense to fairness or equality. The reaction of the crowd is a small moment in the grand scheme of things, but it might prove to be extremely significant.

51:33Piers Morgan:A couple of years ago, it would have been very different. This would have been hailed as he led his progressive symbolic victory for inclusivity and tolerance. But now mainstream opinion is finally waking up to what is honestly insane. World athletics has banned trans athletes who've been through male puberty, from competing against women. But the state-level bureaucrats and miles behind the Oregon authorities say they define a woman based on their consistently asserted gender identity. But honestly, that's just disingenuous bullshit. Yes, trans people deserve the same rights and respect as everybody else.

52:06Piers Morgan:They should have fairness and equality. They should have the same human rights as me. But you can't consistently assert the massive physical differences that come from being born male or female and compete in sport. Those rights cannot come at the expense of women's rights to fairness and equality in their own sport. Now, for years, anyone prepared to speak up about this, like me, was instantly shamed and vilified as a transphobe. But the reaction of the crowd in Oregon, which actually skews more liberal than conservative, shows the silent majority might finally be fighting back and letting their feelings be heard loud and clear.

52:43Piers Morgan:Well, joining me to debate this and more, our comedian and podcaster, James Barr, and censored contributor Esther Kraken, Outkick host Tommy Lahren, and the host of the Bituation Room podcast, Francesca Fiorentini. So welcome to all of you. Tommy, let me start with you. I watched a video of this as a father of a 12-year-old girl who loves a bit of sport, and honestly, my heart just sank. But when I heard the booing, I was thrilled, not because the athlete was being booed, I felt awful for the trans athlete, but because I finally felt that the silent majority were finding their voice. What did you think?

53:20Yeah, I also think that it's big that this happened in a place like Oregon. Oregon is not conservative, maybe certain parts, but certainly the majority of Oregon is certainly more on the left side. So I think the fact that the crowd is saying, hey, this is unacceptable, that's a big moment. But we just have to stop denying this, Piers. I mean, the silent majority, and I would agree that the majority, actually, the more vocal majority now, is saying that this is absolutely ludicrous. And listen, I think we need to stop talking about biological men competing against biological women in women's sports.

53:53This is a trans person, a trans woman competing against actual women. Stop dismissing women by calling us biological women. We are just women. So I want to put that out there first. But why are we constantly, and when I say we, why is popular culture constantly asserting that trans people, their feelings, their emotions, their inclusion is more important than the majority of women who just want to have fairness, want to compete, want to have achievements, accomplishments, and opportunities. Why do their feelings matter more than the feelings of the women that they're competing against? It's ridiculous we keep coddling and cow-cowing to this madness.

54:31I hope we're seeing the end of it, and I think within the next couple of years, we will.

54:35Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, I'm amazed that every woman, frankly, doesn't agree with you. because the unfairness and inequality is so obvious. But, Francesca, I can see you actually going berserk here with indignation. So, presumably, you don't agree. I mean, just... I just... Please don't speak for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, either of you, please don't speak for me, please don't speak for all women. Just let's get that out of the way right now. Fair enough. Because I do disagree. I think about what if your kid... What if your 12-year-old kid was Aiden? Wouldn't that be incredible? wouldn't you be proud of Aiden?

55:09No, no. How much would it...

55:11Piers Morgan:No, absolutely not. Unless that child had not even reached puberty and is, in the case of my daughter, for example, and someone is trying to convince her that if you just put your hand up and say that you're a boy, you can suddenly compete against a different biological sex. I'd say it's all madness. Piers, I really... This is what's crazy about it. Do you think that that's what's driving trans women to compete as athletes is that they're like, hmm, if I transition to become a woman, I can win a gold medal in a high school track and meet competition. Hang on, Francesca, I don't care. That is so absurd to me.

55:51It's the same thing. Hang on, let me speak.

55:53Piers Morgan:I don't care. The reality is they're doing it, right? And the point is, to me, the answer is obvious. They're not doing it to win a medal. They're doing it because that is their identity. But they're winning medals at the expense of actual women who can't compete with them physically. It's why we separate the sexes. You know what? I actually Googled this. Hang on. Hang on. I'll come to you two. I'm embarrassed to be a woman when I see women freaking out about trans women winning one out of so many competitions. It's not just one. It's happening in swimming with Leah Thomas. It's happening in all sorts of sports.

56:29Yes, because it makes us look really pathetic, honestly. It makes us look like losers and whiners. And guess what? I'm not a loser or a whiner. You know what I actually want to talk about when it comes to women's sports? Why is Caitlin Clark being paid 80 times less than her counterpart entering the NBA? Well, that's quite straightforward, too. Because nobody watches it. Women don't want to talk about that. Hold on, hold on. Can I ask you a question? Women don't want to ever talk about that. Let me ask you a question. If I hit you over the head with a bat and I said the plan wasn't to kill you, it's because you had a fly in your head, would you still not go to the police for assault?

56:59Does my intention matter? Because that's exactly what you're saying. I'm just trying to Rube Goldberg or whatever. No, but that's exactly what you're saying. No, that's exactly what you're saying. No, I don't believe it. Just because trans people are not identifying as trans to basically erode women's sports, that makes it okay. That's exactly what they're doing. You think that's what they're doing? You think trans people are putting on earth to sneak attack women's sports? Don't talk over each other. You know what the issue is? That's a finisher point. You know what the issue is? There are useful idiots like you that are validating ascientific nonsense.

57:30There's no such thing as gender identity. Being trans identifying is a mental illness. A reality that exists only in your head should not be validated, and specifically not at the expense of people that are just going about their business trying to win sporting tournaments or trying to use a loop. There's useful idiots like you that are leading to the death of trans people. If you feel embarrassed about people thinking... All right, now Francesca responds. You can basically go to an island where all women think like you, and you can compete with all the biological men you want, but do not impose your backward views on the rest of us and have the audacity to call us regressive.

58:01Piers Morgan:Okay. Francesca, you respond, and I'll come to James. My response is this. Look, I care more about human life and people actually... I care about the right to privacy. I care about people surviving and living in this world. Yes, I do. You don't seem to care about the right to privacy of biological women not wanting to share their spaces with biological men. What about them? Hmm? What about the number of trans youth who commit suicide every single year? What about biological women not wanting to share a bathroom with a biological man? Talk about that. Don't do what about, answer that question. What about them?

58:32Do they not matter? Look, look lady, you can go into every bathroom and pick a fight with every person who you think is in the wrong bathroom. That's your prerogative. If a man goes into a bathroom with my daughter, what should I do? A teenager being booed. Guys, let's not bully, okay? I believe it was Melania Trump who said, be best. And we know what bullying leads to, Stephen Miller, okay? You know what it is? Okay, but Francesca,

58:55Piers Morgan:I'm going to come to James. Because to me, There's conflating two issues. You could absolutely support trans rights to fairness and equality, as I do, and consistently have, but you can also see that there is obviously a massive problem now getting increasing now in women's sport, and there's a reason... And we've had this conversation, James, but you gave a preposterous answer last time. There's a reason we separate sexes in the Olympics, in the World Championships, because otherwise women would never win anything. Look, I think... So that's why we do it. It's not because women aren't great athletes.

59:26Piers Morgan:Women would never win anything. They're great athletes when competing against people physically born like them. Listen, I have so much to say. I want to explode. Firstly, Esther, you're the only thing making anyone angry or incensed right now. So you're causing me a mental health issue. So really, if there's a mental illness, it's actually you. I would like to take a pill to remove you from my life. Going back to the state here, like most of the female winners in this sport, they are hitting around 22 to 24 seconds, which is exactly what the gold medalist won here. and then also following up with what you said, Esther.

59:57What's your point? My point is, this is normal for a woman. No, you're missing out. Normal speed for a woman in a race. But let's get back to what you're saying. You're talking about women's safety in changing rooms. Let me finish, please. You're talking about women's safety in changing rooms. That's what Esther brought this conversation down to. But what I do know about is that one in three women in America are abused violently in their lifetime. And in every single day in America, 13 ,000 women are a victim. Why are we talking about one trans woman being in a changing room? How dare you, a man, say anything about women feeling unsafe in bathrooms with biological men?

1:00:34No, you can't, because you're not a woman. You have never had a period. You've never been a woman in a woman's toilet. What I'm saying, Esther, is that you're picking on one... I'm not picking on that. I'm talking about the fact that women around the world are being affected because we are validating a scientific... You're shouting a biological man, your words. And you're allowed to talk about biological men. so why am I not allowed to talk about women? Hang on, hang on, hang on.

1:00:58Piers Morgan:We are conflating various issues here. So let's get back to the actual issue we want to debate, which is the issue of this young Somerthor, Aidan Gallagher. I come back to Tommy here. You know, I know this debate always inspires everyone to get very angry and there's lots of allegations of transphobia and so on. I really think they're missing the central point. There is a reason we separate sexes in sport. And the reason, like I said, when the Olympics are in Paris, later this summer. If you allowed women and men to compete in a generalized way, then women would win almost no medals. Literally, other than one or two events, possibly equestrian, possibly archery, there are very few things, anything that involves power or stamina or speed.

1:01:44Piers, can I ask you a question really quickly? Yes. Because have you ever undergone any kind of hormone replacement therapy? You mean chopped off his penis? No, I haven't. Hang on. I'm not talking to you, Esther. Hang on. I'm talking to Piers. Yeah. Because actually, the body does undergo an incredible amount of toil. What it doesn't do, Francesca.

1:02:07Piers Morgan:I've heard this argument. Hang on. It doesn't change your body mass. No, it doesn't. It does. It absolutely can change your body mass. No, it doesn't. Absolutely. The amount of hormones that can... You remain as muscular as you know this. Talk to someone like Caitlyn Jenner. who was, as a man, was the decathlon gold medal winner for the United States of America and was then, when she took up golf, having transitioned, was told she could tee off from the women's tees, right? The women's tees are 50 yards further ahead than the men's and she said she was winning every tournament. Asking Caitlyn Jenner for any advice or practical information is like asking you, Piers, how to get a six-pack.

1:02:44Like, what are we doing?

1:02:45Piers Morgan:Actually, I've got quite an impressive growing six-pack, as my Instagram people tell you. The point is that your body undergoes a lot of changes. It's actually incredibly difficult to compete. Piers, I want to point this out. Tommy. Piers, I want to point this out because your guests here, I mean, talk about the snake eating its own tail. They're sitting there talking about trans rights and affirming transgender ideology, but then they're saying that Caitlyn Jenner, who is probably the most famous trans person, that doesn't count because Caitlyn Jenner is not only a Republican, but Caitlyn Jenner also calls out biological men competing in women's sports.

1:03:18So your guests sit here and they cry, whoo-hoo tears about trans rights, but then they dismiss Caitlyn Jenner. It's amazing. These are also the same people who claim to be feminists but also don't care about actual women being robbed of opportunities. That's why liberalism is a disease, and you can just let these people talk and they argue with themselves, Pierce.

1:03:38Piers Morgan:The point is, if Aiden Gallagher competed according to their biological sex, they would not be succeeding. They wouldn't be winning state championships. They would actually not even be qualifying for the finals. That is the point everyone's missing. Why do you care about a high school track? Have you done a segment on Caitlin Clark and pay disparity? Where were you when the US women's national team in the United States? You have no idea. You have no idea, actually. Shut up. You have no idea what I've said about women's pay. What about when the women's national team wins in the United States? right?

1:04:18They've won like four times at this point and what happens? Oh Megan Rapinoe who is both a lesbian and also like one time knelt during the national anthem she's not a real patriot. They freak out. Donald Trump tweets about her No you know you're missing. Megan Rapinoe

1:04:33Piers Morgan:Megan Rapinoe is a very very good football player but also incredibly irritating and I noticed that when she retired it was only then she said that she wanted trans women to be playing in the American women's national team In other words, when it wasn't possible for that person to take her position. Because here's a scenario for you. Lionel Messi puts his hand up and says, actually, I'm feeling like a woman today. Do you play him in the American women's national team, Francesca? Yes or no? Lionel Messi had to undergo an incredible... Yes or no? He had to undergo an incredible amount of treatment when he was young.

1:05:11He had a bunch of, like... Would you allow him to put his hand up, and everything in order for him to actually grow because he had a growth spurt. I'm a big Messi fan, so... But let me just explain this to you. Answer my question!

1:05:24Piers Morgan:Would you allow him, if he said, I'm a woman, to play in the American women's national team? You're using the wrong pronoun there. Yes, yes, yes, right now. Hell yeah, are you kidding me? Messi on the US women's national team? Hell yeah, because that would mean... Would you allow Usain Bolt to do that and be in the sprinting team? Yes, because that would mean they're a trans woman. They identify as women. I get it, I get it. So just to be clear, You would let Lionel Messi play in the women's national football team and destroy women's football forever. You'd let Usain Bolt... I mean, it'd be very difficult to get a ticket, which would suck.

1:05:53Piers Morgan:I want to do a little checklist here. You'd let Usain Bolt compete as a sprinter in the American women's Olympic team? Yes. OK. You would let Floyd Mayweather compete as a boxer in the women's American boxing team? Yeah. You are a complete and utter lunatic. I completely agree with Francesca. They would have to transition. Imagine. I always say that you want to be a penguin. I would let you live at London Zoo in a cage like the rest of the penguins. You know what? I'd be a very popular exhibit. You would. And you'd be locked. Here's the problem. It is so delusional. The idea you would let Usain Bolt say, I'm a woman and compete against women on a racetrack when no man can compete with him, right?

1:06:33Piers Morgan:It's utterly ridiculous. Well, I'm just convinced that they don't actually believe this, but the logical conclusion of their ludicrous arguments facilitates the need to actually say these things. Also, this is a testament to the poor quality of public education in both the US and the UK, that you both don't understand the basic economics of how sports entertainment works. If there are not enough bums on seats, you don't get paid enough. That's literally it. So sitting there outraged about the fact that some female players don't make as much as some male athletes, guess what? Go and buy the tickets to their games and start boosting up their viewing figures, and then maybe...

1:07:03Look at the revenue for the Women's World Cup

1:07:06Piers Morgan:and compare it to the Men's World Cup. They are light years away. Can I say one? It's like Lynn Clark was the most watched women's college player ever. The ratings were through the roof. She's getting sponsorships left and right. Compare it to the average male college viewership. OK, we're going to move on. She had more views than them. We are moving on to a different issue. I want to talk about Harrison Butker first. Tommy, I want to come to you on this. Let's just play a clip. This is a guy who's a Kansas City Chiefs star. He made a commencement speech at Benedictine College in which he told women they should aspire to be homemakers.

1:07:38Piers Morgan:Take a look. I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. Not the deadly sin sort of pride that has an entire month dedicated to it, but the true God-centred pride. Be unapologetic in your masculinity. Fighting against the cultural emasculation of men.

1:08:15Piers Morgan:Now, Tommy, this created a huge furore, of course. The Kansas City, well, the NFL, I think, threw him under a bus immediately. He said they were outraged. It wasn't their opinions and so on. But there's been a lot of surprising voices. Bill Maher, for example, a liberal, came out and basically supported his right to say this. It's obviously religiously motivated, what he said. What did you make of what he came out with? Listen, I don't agree with everything that he said, but I also think a lot of people are taking it out of context. He's a Catholic speaking to other Catholics, so you have to put that in context.

1:08:50He's not speaking to people at a pride parade. He's speaking to Catholics who hold traditional Catholic views. And there's nothing wrong with him expressing his opinions. We can disagree with them. But I would also like to point out that when he's giving this commencement speech as a Catholic to Catholics, he's not like some of the other athletes who want to kneel at an actual football game or who want to force fellow athletes to wear rainbows when they're going to compete at their sport. He's giving a commencement speech to Catholics. So the left really needs to decide, do they want athletes to take a stand or not?

1:09:23Because we are told that Colin Kaepernick and others, LeBron James, Megan Rapinoe, they should be hailed for their political speech. But then Harrison Bucker, who gives a speech, a commencement speech to fellow Catholics, all of a sudden, that's a bridge too far. Okay, James, James, James, your response. I mean, he talked about Catholic pride. Really? The pride in God. I think it's actually the most shocking part of that was the fact that he mentioned Taylor Swift and called her his teammate's girlfriend. That is so offensive. Why, she is. That is so offensive. She is. He said, well, she has a name.

1:09:55She's one of the most successful women on the planet. He was obviously joking. And he was talking about how women should be only focusing on having kids. The woke brigade can never laugh.

1:10:06Piers Morgan:When you all get together, do you ever tell jokes? Do you know what? You're supposed to be a comedian. Maybe Arsenal should take his advice and just sit at home and get married and not play football because clearly they do a very good job. But actually, fundamentally, as Tommy said, why is he not allowed to have those views? There are many women who sit at home, by the way, who are doing a much harder job than anyone sitting here. Because he has a responsibility. Sitting at home bringing up children is a hard, hard job. Very. So why do we denigrate it by saying that's all you're going to do? I'm not denigrating it, but how dare you tell anyone what they should be doing?

1:10:36It's not an opinion if you're telling people what they should be doing. He's allowed to give them advice. You tell people what to do all the time. I don't tell people what to do. But Tommy's point is right. He is allowed an opinion. But what you're missing is that this opinion is being broadcast to millions of people. Hold on, James. Would you have had a problem if he said go out there and be boss babes, girls, and be CEOs and all of that? No. You only have a problem because you disagreed with his stance. Exactly. I think one of the interesting things he said is that many women would look forward to their promotions and all of that, but they'd look forward to being mothers more.

1:11:07Because actually, many women don't have great careers. Most women don't get to be CEOs. They don't get to be business owners. They usually become administrators, work in offices. So is that a reason to give up? No, but the point is, we've glamorized this whole idea of women in the workforce, as in go be boss babe and own Facebook and all of that. And the vast majority, the overwhelming majority of women are overworked, underpaid, doing unglamorous jobs, and somehow that's seen as something to be glorified as being a gossip. But you know what it also comes back to?

1:11:34Piers Morgan:There's also this whole idea of what activism is allowed and not, and how should people be forced to do it? For instance, there's a football player who plays for Monaco in France, and he's from Mali in Africa. He's called Mohamed Kamara, and he and the whole team were told to wear LGBT, and the rest of it, pride badges for a game. And he refused, right? And the French sports minister has now said he will be facing the strongest sanctions against him and his club for refusing to wear an LGBT pride badge. Now, James, again, I simply say this. Why the hell should he have to? If his conviction is from a country, by the way, which is a place where they do not believe believe that homosexuality is anything but a sin.

1:12:23Piers Morgan:I don't agree with that. You don't agree with that, obviously. But that's where he comes from. His religious conviction tells him that. He's not being homophobic. He's not saying homophobic things. He just doesn't want to wear an LGBT pride badge while he's playing football. Why the hell should he? LGBT and the rest of it, did you say? Yeah. Do you want to know what the rest of the letters are? Even you don't know. I do, actually. Go on, then. LGBTQFU. Now, back to what he was saying. Let's have a conversation about it. Oh, you actually can't remember the rest of the digits, can you? I can. Nobody can.

1:12:56Let's have a conversation about it. He also covered up a sign that said no homophobia in French. Right. So, you know... Why should he have to wear them? On one hand, I'm like, cool, if you don't want to wear the rainbow flag, that's a bit awkward. But if you don't want to wear a flag that says no homophobia... Why should he have to? So what, are you pro-homophobia? No, it doesn't mean... If you don't want to support no... He doesn't want to wear it. No homophobia just means no bullying. It means human rights. And if you don't want to say that, then what the hell are you doing on the team?

1:13:21Piers Morgan:I've got to be honest, I wouldn't wear an LGBT pride badge. Do you support home of India? No. But this is, Piers, it is a private, I mean, it is a football team, right? That's their prerogative. This is not a nation state implementing this. Yeah, I mean, right. So I don't know why you're getting so upset and also it's like a weird transition. Because they're going to sanction him. Okay. Well, they should. Okay, you think it's okay? Then he can go play somewhere where they don't make them hear that. Tommy, let me bring you in for some common sense as usual. No, but I thought we were talking about Harrison Butker.

1:13:56I didn't get any bite at the Butker apple here. Well, get a bite at the Butker apple.

1:14:00Piers Morgan:I think we all know what we're going to say, so we can just summarize that. Yes. Girl, don't you have a Beyoncé album to get pissed off about? I want to talk about this because it's something. She's in a cowboy outfit. Ooh, she got an American flag on. She thinks she's a country singer. I'm sure you've got a few videos to do about that. but whatever. Yeah, that's why. Please don't interrupt me when I'm about to. You seem rather obsessed with my work, so I appreciate it. Piers, I'd like to get back to the point at hand. Yes. Wait, I'm sorry, were you talking, girl? I don't think so. Women supporting women, be quiet while I talk.

1:14:31No, you talked to me. We listened to you. Francesca, can you let another woman speak, please? Yeah. No, no, I'm not going to, because you talked about Harrison, and now I'm gonna talk about Harrison. Harrison Butker's mom is a physicist who works in an oncology department. All this is is a bunch of mommy issues that he laid out at a bunch of female graduates who are trying to celebrate this incredible achievement, and he tells them that they have been told a diabolical lie? I mean, that is absolutely disrespectful and degrading. You want to talk about women's rights? They've just achieved this.

1:15:04And the other thing is the rest of his speech was about, oh, what happened to the Catholics and all the good Catholicism and where have we gone awry? why don't we respect priests anymore? Gee, I wonder why we don't respect priests anymore. Can anyone think of what's happened to the priesthood in the last 20, 30, 40, 50 years? Anyone? No? Yeah, that's what I thought.

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1:16:07Piers Morgan:I'm joined now by the Daily Wire's Matt Walsh from Nashville. Bill, how's the weather, Matt? I hear it's a little chilly down there. So we got about three inches of snow and it shut the whole city down. That's the way we do it here in the South. So it's been an adventure, for sure. Well, it's good to see you. So much to talk about, as always, in your wheelhouse. But I want to talk about this extraordinary story about the Federal Aviation Administration actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency's website.

1:16:47Piers Morgan:On the face of it, this seems plain ridiculous. Your thoughts? Yeah, on the face of it, it seems plain ridiculous. I think when you look deeper, it still seems plain ridiculous. Now, obviously, no one is claiming that at this point they're going to hire someone who's blind or paralyzed to actually fly a Delta aircraft 30 ,000 feet in the air. So maybe we'll get to that point. We're not at that point yet. But the point is that they have decided, this goes back to, I believe it was 2013, an Obama-era initiative by the FAA, that they wanted to diversify the airline industry. and they have a lot of several different groups that they wanted to increase their participation in the airline industry.

1:17:35And those with disabilities is one of those groups. Now, what you'll hear from people on the other side of this, the people that are fans of these kinds of diversification efforts, is that, well, yeah, they're doing this, but they're not lowering the standards at all in order to do it. That's the claim anyway. And it's true that whether it's the FAA or any other institution that is putting DEI into practice and trying to diversify, none of them will come out and say, of course, none of them are going to say that we're lowering the standards. But that obviously is what ends up happening. Because if you had the standards set a certain place and then you ended up with a certain number of, let's say, white pilots, and then you say, well, we don't want that many white pilots.

1:18:21So we want to get more of other types of people in there. Well, what do you have to do with the standards? You end up lowering them, and that's exactly what happens.

1:18:30Piers Morgan:I mean, I saw that the new coach in the NFL has replaced Bill Belichick of the Patriots, and he's immediately come out and played the race card and basically saying, if you don't see color, you don't understand racism and so on. Other black coaches in the NFL have taken a very different view and said, all they want to see is football and players. They don't care about what colour they are. And it struck me as sort of a bizarre stance to take because the vast majority of players, for example, in the NFL are black, I think nearly 70%. What did you make of that when you heard it? Well, I think if you are, you know, that...

1:19:11If we're getting to the point where we can find anti-black racism in the NFL, well, then just the concept means nothing anymore. As you point out, I think it's like 70 to 80 percent of players in the NFL are black. The NFL, if you if you take all the different positions on the field and on the sidelines, it is black people are vastly overrepresented when you compare them to the 13 percent of the overall population. So if we're looking for racism even there, then then then it's just the entire concept is is totally meaningless. is. And in particular, this idea that black head coaches are being targeted for racism.

1:19:51Of course, I'm not the first person to point this out, but OK, if a lack of NFL, black NFL head coaches is a result of racism, then how do you explain a lack of, say, white defensive backs on the field? There's basically none at this point. And are they being targeted for racism? So it just doesn't make any sense.

1:20:12Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, 60 % of Americans, I think, in the most recent poll I saw, are white, and yet they're not represented by 60 % white players in the NFL or the NBA or most American sports. But nobody complains about that. No-one says, well, hang on, that's racist. No-one would think that way the other way round. And I admire these black coaches in the NFL who've stood up and went, no, of course, it's ridiculous. It's irrelevant. them. All we care is how good the player is or how good the coach is or how good the executives are. Yeah. And that's and by the way, the reason why people don't complain the other way is that, of course, we know that diversify diversity and inclusion, all these phrases, this is coded language.

1:20:54And what it really means is we have to make these things less white. But nobody wants to come out and say that. That's one of the reasons why you hear you'll often hear them refer to not only diverse groups, but they'll talk about diverse people. We need a more diverse person in this role. How could a person individually be diverse? It doesn't make any sense. Well, then you understand what they're really saying is we want a non-white person. They just don't want to come out and say that. I think another important point that you brought up is that if we are obsessed with representation, if it is very important that every group be exactly represented in every industry that we look at.

1:21:33And I don't agree that that is important. I think that's an unworkable, untenable, unsustainable goal that makes no sense, and it's totally arbitrary. But this is what representation would mean. Representation would mean that you have, whatever your percentage is in the overall population, that's what you have in this industry. But then you find out that that's not good enough for the representation police, which is interesting.

1:21:58Piers Morgan:Right. Yeah, exactly. Let's take a short break, Matt. I want to come back and talk about the Daily Wire's brilliant new comedy movie, Lady Ballers, which the title may give people a clue about what issue this is about, but, of course, it relates to this ongoing furore around trans athletes and women's sport. We'll talk about that after a minute and show a clip.

1:22:35Thank you.

1:23:01Piers Morgan:Welcome back to Uncensored. It's from New York. It was a lot colder than it looked in that live shot. Matt Walsh is still with me. Matt, Lady Ballers is the brilliant new movie from you guys at Daily Wire. Let's take a look at a little clip.

1:23:21Let's cut to the chase. I know you're not a woman.

1:23:47Piers Morgan:I mean, it's a brilliant idea. First of all, why did you make it? Well, I can't take credit for making the movie or writing it or anything like that. I play a relatively small role in the film. And I think my entire role is really just me being trolled by the director of the film, who's also CEO of the company, Jeremy Boring, where he decided to write a role for me, where I am the exact opposite of who I am in real life, just to make me as uncomfortable as possible. So I'm playing this kind of left-wing hippie character who's also a big hugger. I'm big into hugging people in the movie. But I think the reason why the movie exists is pretty simple.

1:24:30Number one, it's a really funny idea. And it's also, it's the kind of movie that needs to exist. Like this whole concept of men competing against women in women's sports is absurd. It's ridiculous. It's laughable. And, you know, if this kind of thing was happening 25 years ago, there would probably be a comedy like this made about it. But these days... Yes. Well, they don't really make comedies anymore at all, but they certainly aren't going to make a comedy making fun of this. So... So, uh, we did.

1:25:01Piers Morgan:And the truth is that it really takes the whole argument on the pro-trans athlete side to its logical conclusion. You know, I've always... When I've interviewed politicians who don't want to speak common sense about this, I say, well, OK, So if you have limitless self-identity and anyone can say, I'm now female, what happens if Usain Bolt or Floyd Mayweather decide they want to be a woman? Would you be happier than competing against biological females in women's sport? And they always have to say yes. And it's always completely preposterous. Floyd Mayweather would kill women in a ring and Usain Bolt would win the 100 metres women's Olympic final by about 99 metres.

1:25:42Piers Morgan:I mean, it's an absurdity, which this film brilliantly lampoons, but is actually true. It is true, which is why you don't have to work that hard to make fun of it, and you don't even have to exaggerate that much. You know, this is one of the things, actually, maybe it makes satire difficult these days, is that the reality itself is so ridiculous that it's usually in satire you're taking something, you're taking the logic to an extreme extent to show how ridiculous it is. But in this case, you know, all you're doing is, This is what's actually happening in real life. And I think that what you said there is key, though.

1:26:18You said that they have to. You were talking to someone who supports men and women's sports. They have to. They have to go along with it. They have to agree to whatever absurd scenario you throw at them. And they really do. They have to. But I don't think they actually believe it. I think that the number of people who really deep down believe that it's fair and right for biological males to compete against females in sports, I mean, the number of people is vanishingly small. But on the left, they basically box themselves into a corner, and so they have to defend this, and we should make them defend it.

1:26:54Piers Morgan:Whilst simultaneously trying to pretend that they are pro-women's rights. I mean, that's the absurdity, because, of course, it's women's rights to fairness and equality that are being dismantled at this altar of virtue-signalling nonsense. And they're also the people that have claimed in the past to care so much about maintaining women's sports. I mean, that's what Title IX was supposed to be about. You know, people often accuse me on the left. They'll say that, they'll say, well, you don't even care about women's sports that much. You're just pretending. I never said that. I don't wake up in the morning worrying about women's sports.

1:27:27I don't watch women's sports. So in that sense, yeah, I don't care about it in that sense. But I do care about just what's right. I care about what's logical, what makes sense. I care about the kids that are involved in these sports and protecting them. So, yeah, but if you do pretend that this is something that's very important to you, then the question is, why aren't you there taking up this?

1:27:49Piers Morgan:Right, I mean, I care because I have a 12-year-old daughter who's quite sporty, and I don't want her to, if she was to suddenly be very successful at some sport, in women's sport, I don't want to have her have a dream killed or a place in a team or, you know, even you see it Olympic level, you see women being deprived of an Olympic place, a coveted, glorious Olympic place by a biological male. That's just not right. It's not fair. It's not right. It's not equal. It's none of those things. And you're also I also would not want my daughter. I wouldn't want her athletic opportunities taken from her if she decided to get into sports.

1:28:31I don't want her to be in a position where she has to go along with something that is a total farce. Like that, it's just, it's wrong to put anybody, especially kids, no matter what the context is, to put them in a position where they have to, where they feel pressured to go along with something like that. And especially when the pressure is coming from adults. I mean, it's one thing when you deal with peer pressure as a kid from other kids. But in this case, it's the adults that are using their authority and their power to usher you along in this direction. I think it's just totally ridiculous.

1:29:06Piers Morgan:I want to put two pictures up on the screen for our audience. These are both Calvin Klein underwear commercials. One stars a female model and the other one stars the Bears actor Jeremy Allen White. And what is comical about this is that they both reveal a lot of flesh. In fact, the man reveals more flesh than the woman. The female one has been censored by the Advertising Stands Authority because it's overtly sexual. but the other one is apparently absolutely fine. I've seen this hypocrisy and double standard on these kind of things for decades, Matt. It's really absurd, isn't it? It is totally absurd.

1:29:48For that one, it's hard for me to even understand. I mean, usually when you have an absurdity like this, you can understand what logic they're going for, even if it doesn't really make sense ultimately. But in that case, I'm not even sure exactly what would their argument be.

1:30:02Piers Morgan:Apparently the argument was that the actual, That involving FKA twig, the model's physical features rather than the clothing, presented as a stereotypical sexual object. He has less clothes on than she does. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. But when you're talking about things like decency and modesty, and that's an important conversation to have. But I think in our culture, we don't have a very coherent notion of what that even is or how to apply it. And that's how you end up with confused situations. Ridiculous. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me.

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