Piers Morgan's Coverage of Israel-Palestine - Two Years On From October 7

23:13Piers Morgan:What would you do with them, the Palestinians? With who? The Palestinians. What would you do with them? Well, first of all, this is not an issue now with the Palestinians. This is not an issue with the terror regime of Hamas. In my idea... I'm asking you what you would do with the Palestinian population? What would you do with it? I don't know. Would you like to accept them or eliminate the terror of Hamas? Would England accept them? Well, let me read you... Maybe another Arab country? Let me remind you of some of the things that you've said yourself, all right? During an October 24 rally in support of Jewish settlements in Gaza, you said there should be another Nakba, referring to the 1948 Palestinian displacement of hundreds of thousands of people.

23:55Piers Morgan:You also said, I am personally proud of the ruins of Gaza and that every baby, even 80 years from now, will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did. That was in February you said this. You want explicit violence against Hamas and Palestinians. In February 2024... Against Hamas, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. We want to eliminate every terrorist of Hamas. Let me tell you that. Hang on, I haven't finished yet. I haven't finished yet. In December 2023, you said, I don't care about Gaza. I literally don't care at all. I mean, and I could go on reading you stuff you've had. So my point is, you say that Smodrich and Ben Givir, they're the right-wingers.

24:38Piers Morgan:You sound pretty right-wing yourself. I'm a right-winger as well. I'm a right-winger as well. Absolutely. Would you say you're an extremist? That doesn't mean I take any pleasure, any pleasure of an innocent Arab man or woman or child in Gaza suffering. If you're stressed about back taxes, miss the April deadline, or your books are a mess, well, don't wait. The IRS is cracking down. Penalties add up fast, 5 % per month, and up to 25 % for not filing. Tax Network USA can help. They've assisted thousands of Americans, from employees to business owners and people who haven't filed for years. They have direct access to powerful IRS programs and expert negotiators on your side.

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26:18I think it's very anti-patriotic not to support Israel's war when we are fighting the most justified war in the world against a terror group that committed the worst atrocities on the 7th of October. Just today, we remember 600 days that we still have 58 hostages in captivity. And I'm afraid to say nowadays in Israel, you can't find even one leader that will say he's willing to live with Hamas on its doorstep. So if those people have any criticism, they should offer a plan how Hamas will be removed from the Gaza Strip, from controlling the doorstep of Israel, not committing the 7th of October again.

26:57I didn't get to hear that not from European leaders that are criticizing Israel, and not from those opposition former leaders. So I must say that in the end of the day, Israel has a serious threat on its security. You will agree with that. No one wants to see people being massacred in their homes like we've seen at the 7th of October. And in order to do that, the aims of the war are still relevant. We want to bring back our hostages and we want to make sure Hamas won control the Gaza Strip. Every leader in the world, in the Western world, agrees on those two aims.

27:31Piers Morgan:With respect, Ambassador, you clearly don't achieve it with the way that you're trying to achieve it. All you're achieving at the moment is making Israel more and more of a global pariah. When only a few days ago you have two doctors in Gaza who have 10 children and nine of them are killed in a bombardment by your forces, that doesn't make people feel, oh, this is all going great. It makes people think that you're waging a systematic destruction, not just of property and of land, but also of children. And that's what's happening. The percentage of children that you're killing compared to the percentage you're killing of Hamas terrorists, what is it?

28:12Piers Morgan:Do you know? Piers, can I tell you something? Answer me that one question. Do you know how many Hamas terrorists you've killed and how many children you've killed? Do you know those two numbers? I know the numbers that came from the IDF. I know the numbers that came from a very, very established... Give me the two numbers. Wait a second. We killed 30 ,000... Give me the two numbers. We killed 30 ,000 terrorists in phase one of the war. Since the war is back, I don't have the numbers. But let me tell you one thing. And how many children have you killed? We never target civilians. So this question is irrelevant.

28:47Piers Morgan:How many children have you killed? Pierce, Israel is not killing children. Israel is not killing children. Hamas is using them as human shields. children every single day. Pierce, this is a blood label you're putting on Israel. You know it's not true. No, it's not actually. And what you're trying to do is be very weaselly with your words. No, I'm not. The truth is, the truth is you are killing a lot of children. You would argue you're doing. Hang on, let me finish. Because Hamas is using them as human shields and you know that. Let me finish my question to you. You are killing a lot of children on a daily basis.

29:19Piers Morgan:That is indisputable. My interesting question for you is how come you know exactly how many Hamas terrorists you've killed, but you have no idea how many children you've killed? Pierce, I will give you the answer because when you are accusing a country of killing children, it sounds to all the people that are listening to us as if Israel wakes up in the morning and says, oh, let's kill Israel. Let's kill innocent people now. This is not what Israel is doing. Israel. But you are killing a lot of children. And my question is, how come you know how many terrorists you killed? Are you familiar with the international law?

29:50Are you familiar with that at all? Because the international humanitarian law says very clearly, as long as you're targeting civilian targets, you're allowed to attack hospitals that you know they're terrorists. No, but you're not answering my question. Israel is not deliberately killing children. And this accusation is a fake thing that you keep on saying again and again when you know we're democratic country, cares about human life. I just asked you a simple question. At the same time, Hamas is deliberately using the children as human children. And you know that.

30:24Piers Morgan:I don't deny anything you say about Hamas. Everything you say they are probably worse. I despise Hamas. They are a despicable terrorist organization. So help us win this war if you're so despising Hamas. You're offering to surrender. You're not offering to win. I'm asking you this question for a purpose. I'm curious why you know, you say you know, exactly how many Hamas terrorists have been killed, but you have no idea how many children have been killed. Why is it you know one number, but not the other? Great leaders need great sleep. If you're tossing and turning all night, then running on fumes all day, you will burn out.

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31:48You have come to the conclusion that what Israel's doing is indefensible. And I thought it was fascinating and shocking watching you grill the Israeli ambassador who simply cannot tell you or even ballpark how many kids they have killed in this whole thing. Yeah, look, I mean, I think what Israel, you know, to your broader question of where does this all end up going, there's almost two kind of simultaneous wars, in a sense, that are going on. There's the actual, you know, control of power, in which case Israel's done phenomenally well over the last couple of years. I mean, Israel still has the support of the most powerful governments in the world, damn near unconditionally, if not purely unconditionally.

32:32they've been very successful in terms of taking out Hezbollah leaders. They've been very successful in terms of destroying the Gaza Strip. They've been successful in getting the regime change that they've wanted for many years in Syria. However, simultaneously, while that's going on, global opinion has drastically changed of Israel to a degree that would have been unimaginable just a few years ago. And despite whatever arguments might be made for whether this meets a genocide or doesn't meet a genocide, or whether, you know, as two former Israeli prime ministers who have come out recently and said that war crimes are being committed, wherever you fall on that, the fact is that the debate is now over whether Israel is committing a genocide or not.

33:17And that is something that all of us should take a step back and appreciate how profound it is, especially amongst young people. In the future, I don't believe Israel will ever be viewed the same as it was by my parents' generation. And so what does that mean? You know, as you mentioned earlier, Pierce, that's right. This is a big part of how wars end is when public support evaporates. We will see where all of this goes, but it is a very dangerous situation. And it is certainly profound to the degree that it has changed the impression of Israel on the global stage.

33:52Piers Morgan:Nobody understands what Israel's goal is here other than flattening Gaza and kicking off. Well, hang on, as Modric has said, it is to take over and clear out Gaza of all the Palestinians. That is genocide, isn't it? I mean, you're a lawyer. You tell me. Israel's war aims have been clear from the outset, which is the destruction of Hamas. They haven't done that. And the return of the hostages. Well, because the war's not over yet. You haven't done either of those things. All you're doing is killing more and more civilians. Will you allow me to get into works? And you've been starving them. Well, but who's you?

34:21Forgive me. I'm here as a lawyer. The Israeli government, and you're here to defend it, right? No, I'm here to defend the rule of law and the weaponisation of international law, which has been consistent throughout this process, the propaganda that we're discussing right now, which is clearly what has shifted your position and perspective on this, is deeply dangerous. Calling Israel a committer of genocide or saying that it is starving children...

34:43Piers Morgan:Well, actually, the people alleging that Israel is committing war crimes are two former Israeli prime ministers. Who have their own political agendas here, let's speak. Well, how convenient. How convenient. The two former prime ministers of the country have said that you are committing as a government, not you, but the government is committing war crimes, and you dismiss it as just a bit of internal politics. Well, no, it's a very serious matter that the misinformation that I would like to be able to come on to address is now also being propagated by two very sore individuals, Prime Minister Olmert, because he also served the prison sentence, and has had his entire proposed peace framework, that of essentially creating a Palestinian state in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, turned upside down by the realisation, and he hasn't had, unfortunately, the temerity after the 7th of October to recognise the risk that he would have put Israel to in light of the Hamas taken...

35:37And when you see, as we saw... And when you see, Natasha... I was answering the previous question. OK, let me just... This isn't productive.

35:43Piers Morgan:On the point of legality... Actually, it's very productive. On the point of legality, only last week the Israeli government announced new settlements, 22 settlements. Well, no, can we pause... Hang on, hang on. Hang on. On the West Bank, 22 settlements, which the international community views as illegal. They announced 22 new settlements. As a lawyer, given your adherence to the point of law, presumably you would condemn that. Well, this is exactly why we need to be clear about how international law applies and why the notion of these so-called illegal settlements is a misnomer. You don't think they are?

36:15It's not a legal term, it's a political term, and it is part and parcel of a misapplication of international law to the status of the territory. These blood liables, occupation, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide are all part and parcel of the propaganda which I would like to be able to come on to because all of the evidence goes in completely the opposite direction in terms of Israel's compliance with the laws of armed conflict and the amount of steps that Israel takes. Unprecedented in the history of armed conflict. Actually, that's just a load of bullshit.

36:48Piers Morgan:I'm sorry, it just is. Which other army sends warnings... Which other war in recent times have you had half the population is under 18 and you've killed 20 ,000 kids in 20 months? Those figures are Hamas figures that you are constantly eating. Give me an example of where this morality has been played out elsewhere. I was explaining earlier that the Hamas figures are inflated, that there are internal inconsistencies... How convenient for you? You don't know what the figures are, so how do you know? Because there have been independent studies... How do you know how many figures are inflated or otherwise?

37:17Piers Morgan:You don't know how many have been killed. Because we know Hamas lies. It is an internationally prescribed terrorist organisation. Some might think you're lying. Because you say on one hand, I don't know how many children have been killed. But on the other hand, and that's a blood libel if you say we've killed any of them. But on the other hand... That's not what I said, no. But on the other hand, you know all about the ratios and you know how humane the Israeli forces are being. But you don't know how many they're killing. Because even on Hamas figures, which we know to be false, which do not make distinctions between civilians and Kuwait...

37:47We do, because there has been... How do you know they're fools?

37:49Piers Morgan:You don't know how many have been killed? Because Hamas has even itself revised those figures down and acknowledged that they are false. And the UN is still touting false figures on that. So how many children has Israel killed? If we go back to the question... Well, can you answer my question? If you go back to the ratio... Do you know my... No, but I can tell you the ratio, even on the basis of Hamas figures. You can tell me the ratio without... But how do you know if you don't know how many have died? I can tell you the ratio even on the basis of the false Hamas figures. You have no idea how many have been killed, but you can tell me the ratio.

38:14I can tell you the ratio. You're a smart lawyer.

38:17Piers Morgan:Do you not understand how ridiculous that sounds? Are you listening to my answer? If we were in a courtroom now, you would be demolished by a fellow lawyer. They would say, what are you talking about? Well, here's this is not how courtroom etiquette is conducted, I'm afraid. Actually, some of my favourite lawyers conduct something exactly like this. I would be permitted to finish a sentence. The reason we can say that the ratio before the ceasefire was 1 to 1 or 1.15 to 1 is on the basis even of Hamas figures... 1 to 1 or 5 to 1, which one was it? 1 to 1 to 1.5 to 1 at different points in that period.

38:49Piers Morgan:What right does the IDF have to restrict journalists doing their job? In every other war I've ever been involved in, including sending my Daily Mirror journalists to cover the Iraq war in Baghdad, where they rang me at midnight to ask if they should leave or stay in a hotel, the Baghdad Hilton, I think it was called, before shock and awe arrived. So huge responsibility on my shoulders then about the lives of my journalists. but they were prepared to risk them to report the truth to the wider world. Israel has decided no journalist from outside can go in... For three reasons. ..and make that assessment themselves.

39:26Yes.

39:27Piers Morgan:What right does Israel have to do that? For three reasons. Will you allow me to finish this? Well, there are no reasons. Well, you've just asked... It's none of your business whether the journalists view their safety as being a risk. I'm sorry, you haven't heard the reasons yet. The first, of course, is the safety of the journalist, and I appreciate you don't accept that. The second... I think it's a load of nonsense. The second is the safety... The idea you're doing is that some quaint concern for the safety of journalists is bullshit. That was reason number one. Utter bullshit. Reason number two is the ability...

39:53These better get better. ..is the ability of IDF soldiers to be able to conduct this war against Hamas without... Oh, without the journalists getting in the way? No, without...

40:01Piers Morgan:Actually, by the way, they've killed more journalists in Palestinian journalists than in any war in modern history. Hamas members wearing press vests are not journalists. And reason number three... So none of them are journalists? And reason number three... So just to be clear, none of the Palestinian journalists who've been killed are actually journalists. I said Hamas members. Are they all Hamas members? Every single dead Palestinian journalist is a member of Hamas. Is that your position? Listen, I appreciate Piers... That is also bullshit. But I'm not going to let you bullshit! Well, joining me now in the studio is Hussam Zomlitt.

40:34Piers Morgan:He's the Palestinian ambassador to the UK. He's been a regular guest on Uncensored. Welcome back to you, Ambassador. From day one, we said very clearly that we wholeheartedly reject the targeting of civilians. But we added from all sides. We have civilians. Our civilians have been killed all along for 77 years. And not only killed, oppressed, rounded without trial or charge, their land being stolen, their houses being demolished. demolished, they live under complete apartheid regime as per international reports and assessments, whereby you are not born unless Israel agrees, you are not dead unless Israel issues your death certificate, you cannot love or marry unless Israel agrees, complete and utter system of segregation whereby you are treated under martial law while an Israeli illegal settler from Brooklyn will come and be under the Israeli civil law.

41:33What we try to say is balance it here. And the 7th of October was one day in the history of the conflict. But the preceding 400 days has really dented our humanity. And the previous 77 years has also been as atrocious on the Palestinian people. What we try to do and say at that moment, Yes, what happened on the 7th of October should be subjected to also Palestinian-Palestinian discussion. We also need to discuss, we realize that a people under occupation, as per international law, it is our right to resist via military arms. Military means, I mean armed resistance. International law gives you that option, of course, targeting only military targets.

42:22But even that... But that wasn't resistance. But even that, exactly. Hang on, hang on. Hang on one second.

42:28Piers Morgan:What we saw on October 7th was not resistance. That was a mass terror attack on civilian populations. And any targeting of civilians? Let's be clear about that. 3 ,000 Hamas terrorists came over the border in wave after wave and they attacked and murdered and did other terrible things to as many civilians as they could get their hands on. They kidnapped babies, Holocaust survivors. They murdered hundreds of people at a music festival. In other words, nothing that they did that day can be categorized as legitimate resistance or military action. Do you agree? I hear you, but you need to hear me.

43:09Do you agree with me? That's the 7th of October. Do you agree with me? Targeting civilians is absolutely, utterly rejected. And we, the Palestinian people, must always, always return the moral high grounds. Our issue, the heart of our cause is that we as civilians, defenseless, have been targeted for 100 years, so we better not do it ourselves. And we better stick to the one thing that we're calling for, which is international law. But on the 6th of October, Pierce, the UN and other international organizations declared it was the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank, not even in Gaza.

43:45You didn't bring me here. The world was not all over the place to discuss the murder of Palestinian children in the West Bank. I accept that. That is our issue. That's number one. I accept that. That is our issue. And since the 7th of October, you have been wanting me to condemn. We have no issues with condemnation. We have been doing that all along. But the Israeli ambassador was sitting here, Pierce, last week. And all that conversation, still, you did not ask her to condemn. So what is it about Palestinians? Do you or the mainstream media see Israeli Jewish life to be more of value than Palestinian lives?

44:21That's a question. And that's why I, as a representative of the Palestinian people, my people, I refuse wholeheartedly that our children is less of a human being than theirs.

44:33Piers Morgan:I agree. And I tell you, one Palestinian child for us, one Palestinian child for us is worth the world. When it comes to the hostages, even if you don't believe Netanyahu that it makes any difference, in other words, his bigger plan for Gaza is not related to the hostages, even if you believe that, why not call his bluff? Why not just demand and have every other Palestinian leader demand that Hamas release all remaining hostages tomorrow and call their bluff? Even if you don't believe it will make any difference, why not do that? At least show the humanity you say that you're not getting from Israel.

45:13Piers Morgan:Let those remaining hostages go home. Today, the Security Council, the 10 non-permanent members proposed a Security Council resolution that includes the calling for two things. The immediate and permanent cessation of hostilities, cessation of the genocide, the mass murder, destruction, permanent ceasefire, and the release of all hostages. We go with that. You think Netanyahu will accept it? And read my lips. The U.S. will be to this. They are not interested. Piers, this isn't about the hostages. Ask the families of the hostages. They are only taking all this as a pretext, including the hostages.

45:53They saw in that an opportunity to annihilate Gaza. Listen to me. Anna, my grandfather and father was born in a village, beautiful one, called Simpson. Simpson. In what Israel has become. In 48, Palestine. It was completely and utterly demolished, decimated Simpson. And they grew some trees so we don't even relate to or discover where our homes was. My generation, that's my grandfather and father, myself, I was born in Rafah. Rafah, a huge city in Gaza, a city home to 172 ,000 people. I was born there, I lived there all of my life, it's where I love and I grew up. It's my city. It's gone. Decimated.

46:37The only hope I have now is that my children are not going to face the same faith. This is Israel's DNA, Pierce. Israel's DNA, since it was established, is to annihilate us wherever we are. So we left our original homes. We were unable, not allowed to return to our original homes and farms and towns. And even the place of refugeeship we took, like Rafah, is destroyed. My kids, I'm fearing now. And I want to discuss with you the future more than the past. The past is dreadful. And the present is more dreadful. We should spend some time discussing the future. Discussing what kind of Palestine we're after.

47:16What kind of a state we are going to build. What is the relationship between this state and all of its neighbors and the rest of the world. But my biggest fear now is that my three children will face the same fate. They will also go, perhaps live in a West Bank city, say Janine or Tulkarim or Al Khalil, and they will be faced with the same faith. Three generations on. That city will be destroyed again, decimated again. And guess what? It is happening in the West Bank. 50 ,000 people have been displaced from Janine and Tulkarim. It's happening. Not just in Gaza. You're discussing with me Hamas.

47:54Hamas is not in the West Bank. I know.

47:58Piers Morgan:Trump's literally ignited a ferocious firestorm of debate with this Gaza Riviera plan. As with so many things that Trump does, the immediate response I would have is, well, what does he really want here? And I suspect what he really wants is for the leaders of Arab countries in the Middle East to step up and come up with a workable plan that actually gets things sorted. because Trump's right. Nothing else has worked. Queen Carvania stood haloed by the morning sun. An army hung on her every word. My champions, I have sold my chariot on Carvana. It was a lovely SUV, an inexplicably queenly offer.

48:45They're even coming to the castle to collect it. Tonight we feast. An offer you can feast on. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. Yeah, Trump is not right about one thing here. His plan is obviously asinine. We all can acknowledge that. It has no chance of success. It's ridiculous. But more importantly, why is he doing it? Can we be honest here? I know in mainstream media and cable news, you can't say this. Can we say this here? It's obviously because of his donors, right? I mean, Miriam Adelson gave him, that Adelson family over three elections gave him$337 million. Haaretz reported that she wanted portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip annexed.

49:34So why is Trump saying we're going to own it? He's trying to trick MAGA into thinking after we let the Israelis slaughter more Palestinians as they try to push 2 million people out of their homes and their homeland. And after we finance that slaughter, which we're definitely going to finance, because Trump, and to be fair to Trump, almost all the Democrats, all Washington is owned by Israel. Netanyahu dog walked Trump around the park, made him look like a waiter as he was putting his chair in. So we're going to pay for all that slaughter. And then Trump goes, oh, don't worry, because we're going to own it later.

50:12We're not going to own anything. You think Israel's going to give it back to us? No, they're going to steal that land. This was never about self-defense. We were right all along. It was always about the theft of Palestinian land. We told you so.

50:28Piers Morgan:All right, Batia, your response. I think that there's a really important point to be made here, which is that no Palestinians have been allowed to flee this war zone because, of course, Israel was not going to let in civilians from Gaza who may have Hamas members hiding amongst them. But also, Egypt did not allow almost a single Palestinian to exit the Gaza Strip. Trump has been very clear that what he imagines here, rightly or wrongly, is the voluntary resettlement of Palestinians who wish to leave Gaza. Now, I know a lot of Palestinians who would rather live in the rubble than leave their homeland, and I respect that.

51:16But 40 percent of Gazans before this war were either employed by Hamas, by the public sector, or by UNRWA, or by jobs in Israel. None of those streams of revenue are going to exist now. And so the question I think we need to be asking is this. Does the international community owe it to the people of Gaza to continue subsidizing their living in Gaza under Hamas rule? Because that is essentially what has been happening until now. Now, of course, I do not support any sort of forceful removal of anybody from their homeland. But I don't think that's what Trump is imagining. IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS MEETING IN RYAD BETWEEN THE SAUDIS, BETWEEN THE JORDANIANS AND BETWEEN THE EGYPTIANS, ALL OF WHOM HAVE DONE NOTHING TO HELP THE PALESTINIANS FOREVER.

52:13AND SO I THINK THIS QUESTION BECOMES WHO OWES WHO WHAT AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO INTRODUCE HERE IS A NEW PATH FORWARD. I'M TIRED OF ISRAEL FIRST, ISRAEL FIRST, GIVE THEM$300 BILLION, PAY FOR THEIR GENOCIDES, GET OUT OF THERE, AMERICA FIRST and let these poor people, Palestinians, go. The number one problem is Israel and their infinite greed for land, land, land and slaughter. And everybody knows I'm right.

52:38Piers Morgan:Just to be clear, Cenk, because you're going a bit further than you have before, just to be clear, you think October the 7th was an inevitable consequence of the way the Palestinian people have been treated? Guys, I hate October 7th. When Hamas does violence, They do so much damage to the Palestinians and the Muslims. So but two things can be true at the same time. You could have something awful and then you could use your brain to figure out, hey, why did that happen? And does anyone think that any American wouldn't fight back if they were occupied and humiliated and their land stolen and their families bullied and harassed and humiliated for 57 straight years?

53:20Of course, we would fight back. Of course, any set of human beings would fight back. But when Israel oppresses them and uses their might of their giant military to crush them, that's not terrorism. But if Palestinians fight back, terrorists! It's absurd. It's propaganda. It's both terrorism. So, yes, Hamas doing terrorism is despicable. And when Israel does 60 times the terrorism of Hamas, we should call them what they are, a terrorist state, and we should stop funding them. Don't send our taxpayer money to go fund terrorist government of Israel.

53:54Piers Morgan:All right, Batia, your response. I just want to talk about this idea of Israel owning the United States government, because it seems to me that people who make that argument want to have it both ways. On the one hand, we give Israel exorbitant amounts of money. And on the other hand, somehow they control us through the money that we give them. And it's never been clear to me, like, what do they use for that control? So people will say AIPAC, but AIPAC spends about$3 million on local races in America, on congressional races. It's not a lot of money. The power that the Israel lobby actually has among the American people is the fact that Americans are supportive of Israel.

54:38It's like the way that the NRA was popular when it was because Americans like their guns. These lobbyists are powerful to the extent that they reflect views that the American people already have. And I think that's a really important point to point out here because you cannot take an unpopular view and just use money in order to push it. And nothing has proven that like this last election cycle. That's what the drug companies do. Take Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley outspent Donald Trump two to one. Kamala Harris outspent Donald Trump two to one. Money in politics has been revealed to be nothing compared to the will of the American people.

55:24This is an amazing thing. I mean, I was as a lefty, I was really against Citizens United. And it turns out, actually, the American electorate has a very clear idea of what it wants. If you look at Donald Trump's cabinet, every single person in that cabinet, which is, by the way, the most diverse ideological cabinet in American history. No, it's not. They all have a very similar view of what it means to be America first. There's only one thing that they all share, and they all seem to think that having a pro-Israel point of view is very much inherent in the America First ideology because Israel is a good ally.

56:00Israel brings a lot to the table. We get a lot more bang for our buck. In fact, I think Israel should stop taking aid from the United States because I think Israel has paid a much higher price for that aid in terms of its sovereignty. It has been bad for Israel to take all this money because it means that the Americans can tell them what to do. And they shouldn't accept that. They should be sovereign nations. I'll just make one more quick point. Sovereignty is not something you can give somebody. It's not a gift you can give to another nation. I feel for the Palestinian people. But the idea that somehow Israel, which won its sovereignty through winning wars, owes them something in the form of a sovereign state, this is just ridiculous.

56:42Like, this doesn't actually make any sense. Schenk, you said who should rebuild Gaza. You said the Arab nations should rebuild Gaza in exchange for the two-state solution. But what Trump is about to do is get a deal in which they rebuild Gaza without actually having to have a two-state solution. So he's actually sort of a little bit ahead of the game in the way that he often turns out to be. OK, let me bring in... No. Banti, you know how unrealistic that is. You think Saudi Arabia is going to pay for Israel to occupy Gaza? Nobody's going to pay. No, I don't think Israel wants to occupy Gaza at all.

57:13They're not that big a sucker. If Israel wanted to occupy Gaza, it would be occupying Gaza right now. None of them will. It clearly doesn't want to be occupying Gaza. Yeah, none of them will do that. Why, Shank, according to you, why is Israel not currently occupying Gaza if they want it so badly? Because they're waiting for America to give them permission. They were waiting for this election. That's why they supported Trump. So Kamala Harris and Joe Biden were terrible on this issue. They gave Israel everything they wanted. But Netanyahu made a deal with Trump, and that became obvious to me that the reason for that was just Trump was going to give them even more, which is just to let them grab this land in Gaza, which is going to cause a massive conflict.

57:51And guess who's going to pay for it? We're all going to pay for it. OK, let me bring in. Come on, you know, the donors control things. The drug companies are deeply unpopular and they win every time in Congress. All right, let me bring in. Because they buy our Congress. And so does Israel.

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