"Race-Baiting CLOWN!" BAFTAs Tourette's Row + Gavin Newsom 'Can't Read'

14:42Piers Morgan:Yeah, we'll move on. Yeah, we'll move on. Just so viewers understand, the last time Dr Shoder and I had any contact on the airways was when I expressed doubt about a lot of the claims made by Meghan Markle and Prince Harry in the Oprah Winfrey interview, none of which of the more serious ones, the racism and the mental health claims, everything were followed up in his book or in television interviews or anything. It was like they never happened. But we're not going to get into that because we're not actually here to talk about Meghan and Harry. And actually, I'm bored of talking about those two.

15:15Piers Morgan:What we're going to do is go to the rest of the... We're going to go to the rest of the panel rather than let you distract from what you did. That's what you did. You have apologised way too late. But you... OK, stop shouting. Stop shouting. I'm accepting responsibility. You've said your piece. The panel's been waiting. Please show some consideration for your fellow panel members. I will. Let me bring in Nadrodic's Gary Brooklyn. Nadrodic, I was appalled by what Jamie Foxx said about this. And look, there are other strands to this story, like the BBC's culpability in inexplicably not cutting this from what they put out on the air two hours later when they were cutting out comments like Free Palestine.

15:58Piers Morgan:It's unbelievable to me they didn't cut out somebody using the N-word, albeit completely inadvertently, because they have no control. But that is a BBC cock-up of epic proportions. But in relation to people like Jamie Foxx, for example, in Hollywood, and the general attempt to try and bully John Davison into his apology to the people of Hollywood, who were so hurt and offended, I just found the whole thing so distasteful. It showed a chronic misunderstanding of what Tourette's syndrome is, a failure to have any knowledge of his story or the movie about his life or any of it?

16:38Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:I just watched the movie this morning, Piers, and it's really good, by the way. And I recommend everybody watch it to understand this. And as I posted on X today, the entertainment industry loves to say that they are the champions of acceptance and empathy, and they just had the best test to prove that. and they all failed miserably and completely. And saying that that was his intent is a complete misunderstanding of Tourette's. And we keep on focusing on the N-word. What about all the other things he said that nobody else is talking about? He said, F the queen, who the queen's face. And they show that in the movie.

17:19Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:And this is a part of this condition that he has to live in. There's no intent behind the word. This is the one time where people can say, you know what, we're going to laugh about this, blow it off, or, you know, show some empathy. You know, the word that they love to use in the entertainment industry, but they have no understanding of. And after listening to that from the doctor, I don't know how you're a doctor. That's the biggest mystery in life. I'm not a medical doctor. I've been kicked out of three high schools, but I don't know how the hell you became a doctor. But what a great country.

17:52Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:What a great country you live in to hand out doctorates to people who are woefully unqualified, because that whole argument was a roller coaster.

18:01Piers Morgan:You know, you know, you know, no, it's interesting you referenced the incident with the Queen. It's when John Davison got his MBE specifically for his work for raising awareness about Tourette's syndrome. And when he was introduced to the Queen, he yelled and I'll say it. He yelled, fuck the Queen in front of her. Right. But rather than be offended, the Queen brushed it off, responded straight away, congratulations, Mr Davison, because she had done a bit of prior research. She understood the person that she was giving this honour to suffered from a condition where he would say things like this without any ability to stop himself saying it and without any intent to cause any offence.

18:39Piers Morgan:And when he was asked about it later, John Davison said, I started to relax him because she said, I believe you've done lots of television appearances is trying to improve people's knowledge of Tourette's. And I said, I have, Mum. I've done five documentaries. And she said, gee whiz, I'll have to get the boys to show me some of those one day. In other words, she showed empathy and compassion. She made no big deal of what he said. And it was a very special moment, actually, given how some people would have viewed what he said in front of her, right? Easy to take the easy route with that and just say, well, he's just defended the Queen in the most disgusting manner.

19:12Piers Morgan:No, he hadn't. She understood he hadn't. She understood that the whole point of why he was getting the award and the honour from her and from his country was because he had raised awareness for a condition which is crippling for people that have it. You know, when you watch that movie, and I watched it last night, I swear, I urge all my viewers to watch it. It's incredibly powerful. It's very inspiring. And if you think that anybody, anybody with Tourette's Syndrome would in their, well, I would say in their right mind, but they're not really in their right mind in the moment they have the tics, But if you think that anyone would deliberately do that if they didn't have a condition which made them do it, you are completely delusional.

19:51Piers Morgan:I want to play a clip before I come to the other two panellists. This is a really interesting clip from a young American black woman who has Tourette's. She's called Kilk One Yoshi. She's big on YouTube. And she explains that she, too, has the same problem as John Davidson, including saying the N-word. albeit as I say she's a young American black woman but she articulates I think it's about just over a minute but really worth watching this to get a sense of what it's like if you have

20:21Briahna Joy Gray:Tourette's and let's listen to this I've been seeing a lot of people be like well he said it

20:25Dr Marc Siegel:like when the crowd went silent that is most likely when a tick is going to happen when you're in public when you're in complete silence or when you're trying not to say or do something we must

20:35Briahna Joy Gray:understand what coprolalia is coprolalia causes involuntary swearing and inappropriate tics this

20:43Dr Marc Siegel:can include the n-word slurs etc i am a black person and even i have the n-word tic and slurs as tics this is something i don't see many talk about because of situations like this is it a disappointing thing shut up that it is well the actual clip goes on for a lot longer and is

21:02Piers Morgan:is really fascinating. But the point she's making, and I want to bring in, we're being joined now by Dr Mark Siegel, who's a physician, professor, and medical analyst for Fox News. Dr Siegel, great to have you back. You are a doctor, a real one. This whole issue of Tourette's syndrome, it can manifest in various different ways. You can have simple tics, which is brief repetitive movements or sounds involving a few muscle groups, eye blinking, throat clearing. Then you can have complex tics, distinct coordinated patterns of movement, jumping, twisting or sounds, repeating words or phrases. And then you can get into these rarer forms, which include coprolalia, which is the involuntary swearing, and copropraxia, which is obscene gestures.

21:50Piers Morgan:These affect about 10 % to 15 % of people with Tourette's, and that's what John Davidson has. But just to clear this up for people who may still be under any sort of delusions about this. Somebody that has that, has the condition John Davidson has, they have zero control over what they say, right?

22:10Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:Yes, and I want to really explain that because it should embarrass your first panelist there who was not a medical doctor. Here's the deal. It's a spectrum disease, meaning there's all types from very mild to very severe. John Davidson has very severe. He was licking lampposts when he was nine years old. You mean he loved lampposts and was secretly wanting and desiring to lick those lampposts or spit food at his family that caused his father to leave the family? It's not that. It's that severe form of Tourette's. And hooray for John Davidson raising awareness for 300 ,000 kids or adults in the UK that have this condition, the overall Tourette's, mild to severe, because they get ostracized, because they get stigmatized.

22:58Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:The coprolalia that you're talking about, Pierce, that's the key here. And that's why Jamie Foxx and Wendell Pierce, maybe they should be ashamed, because what coprolalia means, it involves the limbic system of the brain, which, yes, I studied. It involves dopamine, which I studied, and serotonin, which I studied. And it's a neurological condition when you have coprolalia, where it's not only that you lose control. What's been gotten wrong here is, You're not secretly thinking those words, but you lose the lid off of them. That's not what's happening. It's that you don't think that. Those aren't your words.

23:36Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:Those aren't your thoughts. Those aren't what's behind it. You're not secretly wanting to curse someone, and they took the lid off of the pot, so the curse spews out. It's that those thoughts have nothing to do with what actually is behind it. And the idea that people would say that shows that they're misinformed. And the fact that that gets propagated is what causes the stigma that he's doing this movie about in the first place. He has no control, A, and he's not thinking those things. They're socially inappropriate terms and expressions and curses that are not what his thoughts are thinking.

24:11Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:It's what his brain is spewing out.

24:15Piers Morgan:Yeah, that's absolutely crucial to this debate because, you know, these people like Jamie Foxx seem to have got it into their heads that he must be a closet racist, otherwise he would never say these things. It's such a stupid failure to understand what the condition is. And it comes from people in Hollywood who never stop preaching about the need to, you know, constantly preach identity politics. They're constantly telling us we've got to be more empathetic, more compassionate. They virtue signal about everything left, right and centre. But here you have somebody who is the subject of a big new movie specifically about a condition which makes it crystal clear about what the issues are, and yet none of them appear to have watched it, none of them appear to care, and they're quite happy to go public and spray gun this guy in a really dark moment for him where he knows how big a deal this was.

25:11Piers Morgan:He'll have been really, as we know from his statements, really suffering since about what's happened here. And rather than calm things down and show him empathy and compassion, Holly was lined up to kick him.

25:23Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:Isn't it ironic that his very first film in 1989 with BBC was called John's Not Mad? That's the point.

25:31Piers Morgan:Yes.

25:31Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:He's sounding mad, but he's not really mad. We all have those words in our vocabulary. His brain is choosing one that he doesn't intend to say or is not even thinking. We need to have compassion and empathy for this man because you know what? Four times more likely for people to commit suicide with Tourette's. You should be ashamed on the panel for not knowing that 50 % of Tourette's adults are thinking of suicide. And that's why they need our compassion, our empathy and our understanding and not spewing pseudoscience.

26:03Piers Morgan:Yeah, well, you referenced this John's Not Mad documentary. It was from 1988. So we're talking 38 years ago. So this guy's been in the public eye ever since. The cameras followed him around when he was young. Let's take a look at a little clip from that BBC documentary But if you didn't know about John, what would you think as he passed you in the street?

26:36Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:That's a police dad they're not mind

26:46Piers Morgan:Darling, hang on.

26:50Run!

26:54Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:It feels like... I think... It's hard to explain. It's...

27:02Dr Marc Siegel:When I feel I'm going to say it, I try and stop myself, but it just feels as if I have to say it. It's like somebody's forcing it out of me.

27:11Piers Morgan:So, Brianna Joy Gray, let me come to you on this. I mean, what is your view now that we know all the facts about this? What is your view of it?

27:21Briahna Joy Gray:Well, for one, I think the reason that this movie came out and why it's important is because a lot of people don't know exactly what Tourette's is all about and why people are making the exclamations that they're actually making. So I appreciate the gracious apology of the guest that got the facts wrong, and I expect that a lot of the other folks in Hollywood who might have rushed to the judgment that this man had some control over the epithets that he used was wrong. But in some respects, I think the bigger story and the focus here shouldn't be about random people who don't really know very much about Tourette's, which again is why this movie is valuable in the first place to help people to understand the ailment better, the disability better.

28:05Briahna Joy Gray:But the response of BAFTA and how they selectively chose which kinds of remarks were appropriate to edit out of the delayed broadcast and which were appropriate to include. The fellow panelist here, Nerdrotic, mentioned earlier that why aren't we talking about the other exclamations? Why aren't we talking about the homophobic exclamations, et cetera? I think that's a good question. And part of the answer to that is because those were edited out. BAFTA decided that those were offensive to people, that the viewing audience should not be privy to those, and moreover, edited out not just exhortations from the audience, but the intentional reference to freeing Palestine in a speech by someone who was being rewarded for their work and honored and respected that night, because that was too sensitive, ostensibly, I presume, to certain viewers, not because they're in a protected class or have an identity, but because they support Zionism as an ideology.

29:03Briahna Joy Gray:So BAFTA is an organization with a great deal of power here, as opposed to Jamie Foxx or random people who I agree, obviously don't know very much about Tourette's or they wouldn't have said what they said. But why is it that the same care that was given to the LGBT community or any others that might have been offended that night was not extended to Michael B. Jordan and Delray Lindo? and specifically to go to Dr. Shola's point, at what point are we gonna take any time in this conversation to ask what BAFTA owed to the presenters, including the two black presenters, to protect them and to honour their dignity as they stood there at the podium that night and tried to do their jobs?

29:43Piers Morgan:So that's an interesting point. I know Michael B. Jordan a bit and he's a really good guy. I think he's a great actor. I've got a lot of admiration for him. and I think the way they conducted themselves in the moment was exemplary. They didn't get thrown off by it, they didn't say anything about it, they just let it ride. My question would be for BAFTA, did all the presenters and hosts that night on stage, were they told that John Davison would be in the audience and may say stuff which would be very inflammatory, very abusive, very offensive, because he couldn't help himself? It's baffling to me if that conversation didn't take place.

30:21Piers Morgan:and then if they were told, then there's no reason why any of them should have been offended. The point you make about the BBC is entirely correct. It is inexplicable to me the BBC allowed that to be broadcast. I watched the broadcast knowing it was two hours after it had happened and for that to still be in there when they clearly had had the ability to remove things because they removed the stuff that you referenced earlier is just inexplicable. And frankly, heads should roll at the BBC who have been having a terrible run as it is. But heads should roll about that decision-making because it was crass and stupid.

30:56Piers Morgan:But, you know, when it comes to apologies, I do not understand... And let me bring Javier de Russo in here. I don't understand why John Davison has been bullied into making apologies when it seems to me the people that should be making apologies, Dr Scholar, who has, to her credit, made an apology, a fulsome one now, but Jamie Foxx hasn't yet, And he's a massive movie star. Again, someone I rate as an actor, rate as a person. I was appalled by what he said. And to date, no pressure on him to apologise. I think he owes it to John Davison to say, I'm sorry, I didn't know what Tourette's syndrome is.

31:36Piers Morgan:I now understand that it doesn't mean you have racist intent if you blurt out racist epithets and insults and slurs. And he should apologise. IN THE WORLD, THE BULLYING THAT'S GOING ON AGAINST JOHN DAVISON SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THOSE WHO SIMPLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HIS CONDITION.

31:57Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE BBC REALLY SHOULD BE TAKING A LOT OF THIS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT EDIT THIS OUT. AND LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, THEY HAD TWO HOURS TO ADDRESS THAT. AND I GOT TO SAY, WATCHING PROGRESSIVES DEBATE WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO DEFEND ABLEISM OR RACISM HAS BEEN ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF MY YEAR. AND WHEN IT COMES TO JOHN I don't think he's racist. And obviously, knowing and understanding Tourette's syndrome, it is unfortunate that he has to deal with this condition and that this is something that is regular for him. I respect the fact that he is out there raising awareness for Tourette's syndrome, but he also needs to have some self-awareness.

32:29Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:If your impulses are to the point that you cannot stop yourself from screaming the hard R-N-word out on live television, then you might not be meant for the room, sis, because not everybody needs to be uncomfortable and have to sit there and be subject to these outbursts, these racist outbursts, or racist-sounding outbursts, I should say, just because we are trying to support that he is putting this documentary out. So I think it's a stretch to sit here and condemn John Davidson, but I do think that John Davidson should not have been in the room in the first place if we were going to run into these situations and if BBC was not going to do any kind of...

33:05Piers Morgan:But that sounds... Okay, but have you... That is honesty. He is screaming racist outbursts in the room. OK, you're literally saying remove the disabled guy about whom the movie was made because you because people cannot get their heads around what Tourette's syndrome is. It's ridiculous.

33:24Briahna Joy Gray:Was it possible to simply see.

33:26Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:Well, I don't think that everybody in the room should have to sit there and listen to that.

33:30Dr Marc Siegel:I think save God. Actually, actually, you know what?

33:33Piers Morgan:Actually, people. Please don't talk. Please. I'm talking to Javier at the moment. Javier, surely the whole point is they should. To understand the hell of Tourette's Syndrome, actually, sometimes you have to listen to uncomfortable things. When I watch the movie, it's very uncomfortable in parts. He says very uncomfortable, very offensive things repeatedly. But then you begin to realise quite quickly he has no control over any of this and nothing to do with it indicates his real state of mind. and to judge him accordingly and to say, right, yeah, we've got this movie and we're going to give an actor an award for playing you, but you're not allowed in the room because some oversensitive actors might be upset by stuff even when they're told you have no control over it and it's not your real thinking.

34:25Piers Morgan:My message to those actors is grow the fuck up. No offence given or taken.

34:32Dr Marc Siegel:Now you're just being outright disrespectful. I think Xavier was explaining what he was thinking. I don't agree that John Davidson shouldn't be in the room. I think that they should have been appropriate safeguards put in place, including bleeping out the words when it comes out. But for you to say that black actors should grow the F up, for you to use those dismissive words, that's exactly why I came out so angry when I saw all the comments to address the bombastic, of people like you that would say it is okay for black people to just deal with it because he has torrid syndrome, which only explains how it happens.

35:08Dr Marc Siegel:It doesn't justify why it happens. And racism does not require intent to be racist. So while I accept that my ignorance in that moment harmed the community, both, you know, black, brown and white who have torrid, and that is not my intention and my intention is irrelevant because the impact is real so I take responsibility for that but on top of that um Pierce on top of that you just said that when he said F to the um to the queen that you know she waved it off she was gracious but what you don't say is that he said sorry and that sorry closes it closes the cycle and the sorry just just goes that bit long way It helps with the education.

35:51Dr Marc Siegel:There's nothing wrong with that. I don't understand how everybody's saying, go watch the movie, which I actually encourage everybody to go, I intend to, and you want to educate everyone about the movie. Then you're saying, when you experience any impact from anyone with tourists, don't expect that, you know, you would not expect even, you know, sorry. You're acting as though it is too much for black people.

36:15Piers Morgan:There's a moment in the movie... All right, let me... Let me educate you... Let me educate you about the movie... Let me educate you about the movie, which you haven't watched, and I wish you hadn't watched it before you rushed to judgment and kept calling him a racist. In the movie, one of the most powerful moments comes when he's with his adoptive family, and the mother, who is a qualified therapist, says to him when he apologises for being abusive at a small family event, she says, one thing you need to be absolutely clear, you never have to apologise again for when you say these things because she knew he didn't mean it and he didn't intend to offend and therefore an apology is pointless because he's apologising for something he doesn't mean to do, he can't stop himself from doing.

37:05Piers Morgan:And that's the whole point, actually, of the movie, which you failed to understand. And the point I was making about Grow the Fuck Up, that's directed at anybody, anybody who rushed to judgment...

37:16Briahna Joy Gray:But they're not being directed at anybody. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

37:21Piers Morgan:Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me finish my point. Anybody who knew about Tourette's syndrome, who then professes to be hurt or offended or upset by anything that a Tourette's syndrome sufferer says, they need to grow the fuck up. I've not seen statements from Michael B. Jordan or the other actor on stage where they express fury about what happened, right? So I'm not directing it at them. I'm saying anybody who is aware of Tourette's syndrome, aware of the reality, as Dr Siegel pointed out earlier, about the fact there's no brain tank here of thought processes which spill out because finally you get to get the real thing.

38:01Piers Morgan:It's not that. They have no control. So to me, Nedrotti, I don't understand why anyone's forcing him to apologise. They should watch the bloody movie and understand the whole point is he was told, stop apologising for this. you can't help it. And that's what you do, by the way, that's what you do with people who are disabled. But before we let you go, Dr. Mark, you know, it's depressing to me that in a world like the acting community and the Hollywood community, and we touched on this a little earlier, that people that literally preach to us all day long about the need to be more empathetic and compassionate, when it came to this guy, just fail so singularly to show him that.

38:42Piers Morgan:And it was through ignorance.

38:45Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:I think that's a really profound point. I agree with several points that were made recently, by the way. I think BBC needs to be held to task. They told Davidson they were going to edit out this in advance. I think the point that was made that the audience should have been, and the actors should have been informed in advance about it. But let me tell you what it's like inside an emergency room. People are screaming in pain. Can you imagine somebody coming up to them peers and saying, no pain screaming allowed here. I mean, this is a manifestation of the man's disease. And the movie is about that.

39:16Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:And as you said, you know, actors pride themselves on trying to get into what real life is. Well, this is real life. And I work in real life as a physician. And physicians would be very sensitive to the idea that these were his symptoms coming out. And to your point, Jamie Foxx should say, I didn't know that. Now that I know that, I take it all back that would be a 100 percent breath of fresh air here here's good i just yeah uh

39:43Piers Morgan:then you are wait wait wait i will i will come i will i will come back to you i will come back to you dr mark thank you very much indeed for joining me you've had a very busy day and i really appreciate it always great to have you on uncensored with your expert thank you very much um let me let me ask the drotic this because the drotic has been involved in a you've been involved a social media war with one of YouTube's biggest movie reviewers, Grace Randolph. Let's take a clip here. Let's take a look at this. Sure.

40:12Briahna Joy Gray:Not everybody, but there are certainly a lot of people online who are defending Mr. Davidson's right to say this word because they want to say it. And that's really the problem.

40:23Dr Marc Siegel:You know, I mean, really take a hard look at anyone who's defending Mr. Davidson and ask why. I'm sure some of them are genuine, but some of them are not. AND THAT IS THE ISSUE.

40:35Piers Morgan:AND THAT IS THE ISSUE. AND YOUR RESPONSE TO GRACE RANDOLPH, WHO JUST SOUNDED SO DUMB IN THAT CLIP, JUST DUMB, IGNORANT, ILL-INFORMED, DUMB, AND THEN DECIDED TO SINGLE YOU OUT.

40:48Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:OH, YEAH, SHE DID. AND MY RESPONSE IS PROBABLY GOING TO OFFEND A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. MY RESPONSE WAS YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE IS. SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. SHE SHARED OUT MY VIDEO AND MY VIDEO WAS BASICALLY CALLING HER out for misunderstanding this, not watching the movie like I did and making it a thousand times worse for John Davidson. And then she responds in future live streams by blaming John Davidson for the heat that she's getting that she brought on herself. Not new for Grace Randolph, but the whole point about this is, you know, it's not a word I say, but it's a word that has a lot of power because people give it power.

41:29Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:And we're only talking about this one word and we're not talking about the others. And we can certainly talk about the BBC and BAFTA screwing this up and they totally should have edited it out. I completely agree there. But cat's out of the bag now. And what we're seeing is a basic intelligence test that a lot of people are failing because this movie was about acceptance. This movie was about there is no intent behind the word. And that's what gives the word power outside of people, other people giving the word power. And I long for a day where it has no power, where people can laugh it off and we can get past all this crap.

42:05Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:But we are so far away from that because we have people who will just clutch their pearls when they hear a word. You know, when it's when you know what? It's just a word. And again, it's not one I say or ever will, you know, but it's still the intent behind it. was this man has a disease. He doesn't mean it. He's going to say everything offensive. The woman who was taking care of him in the movie was dying of cancer, and he kept on saying, you're going to die of cancer. He said, fuck the queen. He was having his car searched, and he said, I have a bomb. He's been arrested. He's been beaten. He's had this brutal life, and he came out on top, and the whole point was we want to have people with Tourette's syndrome and the, I can't pronounce the word, but the one that's 10 % where you have these ticks.

42:53Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:So they can live somewhat of a normal life, and he's done that. He's made the best of it. He's a hero, for Christ's sake. And we're just tearing this guy down.

43:03Piers Morgan:Yeah, he's a hero, and yet in his moment of what should have been glory, where the actor who plays him got the top award at the best premiere event in the British theatrical movie world, the guy got completely humiliated and deliberately by various people who were just ignorant about his condition. You know, he said this afterwards. It wasn't deliberate if they were ignorant, right, peers?

43:27Briahna Joy Gray:It wasn't deliberate if they were ignorant.

43:31Piers Morgan:Let me come to you via response to this. He said this. When socially unacceptable words come out, the guilt and shame on the part of the person with the condition is often unbearable and causes enormous distress. I can't begin to explain how upset and distraught I've been as the impact from Sunday sinks in. And that is heartbreaking to me, that he has been made to say that and then gets bullied into then having to say sorry for a condition he has no control over. Where is the compassion and empathy from the compassion and empathy demanders? Brianna, you wanted to say something. LifeLock, how can I help?

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44:39Briahna Joy Gray:Yeah, well, I think there's been a lot of characterization of people's apologies of being forced. It feels to me like Dr. Shola voluntarily gave a very gracious apology. Yeah, I'm not following what's been going on with you, but from what I've seen today, it seems like you got necessary pushback about the nature of the disease. You responded now that you were no longer ignorant of what Tourette's is all about. And it seemed very sincere, and I really appreciate what you've said today. Similarly, I think it's reasonable that a person with Tourette's who knows that they've offended people and who feels the shame that you just described, Piers, will want to apologise and make that known.

45:15Briahna Joy Gray:I haven't seen any evidence that he was forced or that his apology wasn't also sincere and that we shouldn't...

45:20Piers Morgan:So you would like everybody, just to be clear, Brianna, just to be clear, you would like John Davison to go around... Sorry, Sheldon, your name is not Brianna. Brianna, you would like John Davison to go around and make 50 to 100 public apologies every single day of his life, would you? To everyone he offends with his tits.

45:40Briahna Joy Gray:Look, this is not a one-to-one analogy. No, so who do you exclude?

45:42Piers Morgan:OK, so just to be clear... This is not a one-to-one analogy. ..just to be clear, Brianna. Brianna, Brianna, Brianna, you said no. So just to be clear, who should he not be apologising to?

45:56Briahna Joy Gray:If I went to a wedding with a crying baby or had a horrible cold and interrupted the ceremony, even though it was not my intention, I would make an apology, not because I did anything wrong purposefully, but because I know I negatively impacted somebody's special day. And that comes from me because I want to show grace to the people that I care about. And if Davidson similarly wants to make amends to people that he thinks he wants, because of the grace in his own heart, to make amends to, I think that's a beautiful thing that we should honour in the same way that we should honour Dr. Schor. Do you know what I love?

46:28Piers Morgan:I just think that's such a... I'm sorry. That is such a... Sorry, Brianna, that is such a crock of crap. The idea that you're still continuing... Because you're still continuing to go after this guy. You want more pounds of flesh from this guy.

46:44Briahna Joy Gray:I think it was lovely for him to choose to apologise. I'm giving him a compliment. What about people apologising? What about Jamie...?

46:51Piers Morgan:OK, but Brianna, Brianna, do you think...? Hang on, hang on. Brianna, do you think Jamie Foxx should apologise?

46:57Briahna Joy Gray:I think that he was clearly wrong about Tourette's and the intent behind Tourette's, and if I were him, I would. I'd say, sorry, just like Dr Shola did.

47:10Briahna Joy Gray:I WOULD,

47:16Briahna Joy Gray:BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT THERE'S THIS FOCUS ON CHERRY-PICKED CELEBRITIES WHO DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURRATZ AND SAID THE WRONG THING AND NOT ON THE INSTITUTION OF BAFTA AND THE BBC WHO CHOSE TO BROADCAST THE N-WORD AND NOT BROADCAST FREE PALESTINE. THAT SAYS A LOT MORE ABOUT THE POWER AND OUR CITY AND OUR society and who should be getting pushed back?

47:37Piers Morgan:Well, on that, I think we all agree. On that, I think we all agree. Can I ask you a question?

47:43Dr Marc Siegel:Can I ask you a question? Yes. Do you know what caucasity is?

47:48Piers Morgan:Yeah, I do. Yeah.

47:50Dr Marc Siegel:So caucasity. Yeah, I've got it. I can explain to viewers. No, don't worry. I will help you out. I will help you out. I'm just saying. I know what it is. You ask me if I know what it is. It's okay. Yeah, you don't need to read it. I can tell you. Caucosity is a reference to the bold, shameless, entitled arrogance of white people displaying white privilege and racism to black and brown people. You know what, Pierce? You've just been entirely caucastic to three black people on this stage. You've had the caucosity to not only... Oh, wow, here we go. I've been caucastic, have I? You might learn something.

48:29Dr Marc Siegel:You've also had the caucosity to say, what we are saying is a crock of this, say that we have no right to expect an apology. None of you, you people... Well, no, you have, and I've got a right to say his bullshit. You people did not say that to Kanye West when he was being antisemitic to Jewish people. None of you held him to the different standard that you're... Actually, I did. I literally did. Let me finish him. I literally did. No, you did not. Why are you lying? Why are you lying? My point is... I literally did that to Kanye West. You're absolutely being disrespectful to the three black people here.

49:03Dr Marc Siegel:Yeah. You're being dismissive and you're being disrespectful to what we explained to you. You're saying you shouldn't expect any apology. Why? Because you wish to centre... Let me just explain to you. Let me just remind people.

49:16Piers Morgan:Yeah, OK, I've had my lecture. We understand his story. We do. That's why I apologise about the incorrect sexist I made. OK, stop talking. The truth is you had no idea about his story and you cared even less. to remind people. To remind people, you mentioned caucasity. Let's remind viewers what you said when you used that word. I'll play the video post you posted again, which is what triggered this. Let's watch this again. Let's watch it again.

49:45Dr Marc Siegel:Some of you are getting on my last God-given nerves. The fact that I have to come up here to break down for you the ABC's 123 Dore Mi's of racism, because some of you have the bombastic caucasity to want to litigate the racial intent of a white man and absolve him of racism because of his disability. Now, I'm going to make time for you today. Let me say this in plain English because I'm not speaking Latin or Swahili. John Davidson is a racist white man with Tauric syndrome. And let me break this down for you. Tauric syndrome is a disability. Disability is not racism. And it does not make you racist.

50:16Dr Marc Siegel:The Tauric syndrome simply brings out what is already in the heart, mind, and soul of the person speaking. Because as a man thinketh, so is he. And I've apologized.

50:27Piers Morgan:Yeah, much as I'm going to... No, don't start talking, Dr Shola. Much as I will take lectures from you, I'd rather shoot myself, frankly, because what you did to John Davison, as I said at the start, was one of the most disgusting... ..one of the most disgusting attacks on a disabled person I have ever seen. I've ever seen. You branded the poor man a racist

50:50Dr Marc Siegel:because you're a race-baiting clown.

50:53Piers Morgan:Anyway, we were going to...

50:55Dr Marc Siegel:OK, whatever, whatever.

50:56Piers Morgan:I'm not listening to you.

50:59Dr Marc Siegel:You've exposed yourself for what you are. You're a vile, race-baiting clown. You hear me? It doesn't change the fact that the statement is racist. It doesn't change the fact that black people are impacted by the N-word being said by a white person or be impacted... Yeah, and you know what?

51:17Piers Morgan:Tourette's people are impacted when you call them racist. Tourette's people are impacted. But you want to move that on, Nicole. Everybody else are racist because that's always what you do. And honestly, it is disgusting. It's disgusting. I want to go to Javier before we finish. OK, can we mute her, please? Just mute her. Thanks. Javier, I want to talk to you just very briefly about the Gavin Newsom thing, because it seemed to me that whichever way you look at it, what Newsom said, and let's take another look at what he said, was just so belittling and patronising to his predominantly black audience.

51:57Piers Morgan:Let's take a listen again.

51:59Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960 SAT guy. And, you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to act all there if you've got 940. But literally a 960 SAT guy. I cannot. You've never seen me read a speech because I cannot read a speech.

52:33Piers Morgan:Now, Javier, what did you make of that?

52:37Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:So much to unpack there. This is yet another example of Democrats completely just degrading and dehumanizing and belittling black people in order to try to relate to us. But before we even unpack the racial side of it, I just want to acknowledge the fact that Gavin Newsom is bragging about the fact that he can't read. But last year, in 2025, he signed 794 bills into effect in California, which totaled to almost 10 ,000 pages. So that means that he is not reading through the terrible legislation that he's putting into our state. And that's probably why our entire state is in shambles. So then you go to the racial element of this.

53:12Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:He's talking to a group of mostly black people talking about how they cannot read. It's like, okay, well, then let's look at the literacy rates over in California at these schools. Almost 70 % of black students in California are aggressively below literacy standards, and that's largely because of these horrible Democrat policies in our education system. So instead of bragging about the fact that he can't read and trying to brag about the fact that he believes that black people can't read, he should be taking accountability for how failed our system is here. And then black people, I don't understand how any black person is continuing to vote Democrat when this is how they try to relate to us.

53:49Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:Kamala Harris had an alcoholic come twerk in order to try to win our votes over. You have Hillary Clinton pulling hot sauce out of bags. It's like they're constantly playing into stereotypes and playing into the lowest common denominator. And for some reason, black people have not woken up to that yet.

54:06Piers Morgan:Brianna, I noticed that you posted he really is Biden 2.0. And I've seen quite a few on the left equally angry about what Newsom said. So what was your feeling when you saw that clip?

54:18Briahna Joy Gray:Yeah, I mean, it's very reminiscent of Biden and his gaffe-prone time in front of the public sphere. But I think the point is a couple of things are important to establish here. One, it's not in fact true that he was speaking to a predominantly black audience. If you look at pictures of the crowd, that is a little bit of spin. Look, there's no love lost between me and Gavin Newsom. I'm politically independent. I think Gavin Newsom is a corporatist who is very attached to the big billionaire families in California that rig our economic system for elites at the expense of everybody else. I think he's a Zionist, and if he is a presidential candidate, we'll be a warmonger like the rest.

54:55Briahna Joy Gray:That being said, that is what has been represented as what happened here is not, in fact, what happened here. I do think, however, even though Gavin Newsom wasn't trying to say, I can't read because black people can't read, I don't think that's what happened. I do think that he deserves criticism, and this is why. He fundamentally was doing what Democrats do, which is pandered to identity politics. In this case, the idea that he is a working class, regular person who's not an elite who went to fancy schools. He got a regular average SAT scores. Hey, guys, I'm just like you. But at the end of the day, that is a card game.

55:28Briahna Joy Gray:He is connected to some of the biggest, wealthiest, most powerful families in California, the Gettys and the Pelosis. It's why he's being set up to be a presidential candidate. This is a man who's saying, I'm just like you, as he's actively lobbying against a billionaire tax that would tax 5 % of wealth of people in California that earn over a billion dollars. There are only 200 of those people, yet he's making it his entire personality to obstruct that because one of those billionaires happens to be the godfather of one of his children, his eldest child. That's who Gavin Newsom is. And all of this pandering that he's doing is an effort to make that obscure to the public, including by relating to folks or thinking that it's going to relate to folks to disclose the fact that he has dyslexia and had a very low SAT score as a consequence.

56:20Briahna Joy Gray:PART OF THE COUNTRY.

56:22Piers Morgan:OKAY, JUST FINALLY, POLYMARK HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WINNER 2028 THING RUNNING WITH A LOT OF MONEY BEING PUT INTO IT. NEWSOM IS 17 % PROBABILITY OF BEING THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? I THINK YOU FLED CALIFORNIA TO AVOID HIM.

56:42Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:I DID. I WISH I COULD SAY IT'S SURPRISING, BUT IT'S NOT, BECAUSE HE SHOULD BE THE EASIEST CANDIDATE TO DEFEAT. HE WAS MY MAYOR. HE WAS MY LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. HE WAS MY GOVERNOR. HE SURVIVED A RECALL, AND MAGICALLY, WITH MAIL-IN BALLOTS, HE SURVIVED THAT RECALL. IT'S JUST A TOTAL COINCIDENCE. IT WAS DURING COVID. HE DESTROYED MY WIFE'S BUSINESS, ALONG WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER BUSINESSES WITH HIS COVID POLICY WHILE HE WAS AT THE FRENCH LAUNDRY. laundry. He spent billion dollars on a train that has gone to absolutely nowhere. Train robberies came back under his administration in Los Angeles.

57:20Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:They were robbing trains. It was like the 1800s again. All you have to do is break out his policy, the homeless industrial complex that he helped create in San Francisco and exacerbated throughout the state. My home city of San Diego, one of the most beautiful cities in America, is now just South LA. And this is all under Gavin Newsom. He should be the easiest person to beat, but the saddest part is, is people are just going to vote for him because he's pretty, and we have a lot of low information voters out there, and because he's not the other side, and they're not going to think about, well, do you want the rest of the country to become California?

57:57Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu:Because that's exactly what will happen.

58:00Piers Morgan:Yeah. Alright, guys, I've got to leave it there. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Piers Morgan on Sensor is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, you can ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.