“SHAME On Him For LYING” Nigerian Minister Grilled On Trump 'Genocide' Claims

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0:35If they don't, there's going to be hell to pay. It's unfortunate that President Trump has been misinformed. This false narrative that there's some persecution or a genocide.

0:48Piers Morgan:Why isn't it a genocide against Christians in Nigeria? We don't want to be the next Sudan. You dispute the numbers that have been reported to have been killed, but you have no idea how many Christians have been killed. We are not hiding any facts. Right now you have an Islamist government in Nigeria. There is a reason that we're seeing these Islamic militants going around and yelling Allahu Akbar. That's not by coincidence. It's easy for her to sit thousands of miles away and play games with people's lives. The United Nations are performing the same war because the Islamic are controlling the government.

1:26Let me tell you, there's a genocide in Nigeria.

1:31Piers Morgan:Nicki Minaj will address the United Nations later today alongside US Ambassador Mike Waltz. The Queen of Rap is not often seen at the UN. She's speaking up because like many people at the moment, she's extremely alarmed about what is happening in Nigeria. It's the most populous country in Africa and one of its wealthiest, but it's fair to say it hasn't traditionally been a big subject for Western media or the US podcast circuit. Until recently, just over a month ago, HBO's Bill Maher said this. If you don't know what's going on in Nigeria, your media sources suck. You are in a bubble. And again, I'm not a Christian, but they are systematically killing the Christians in Nigeria.

2:10They've killed over 100 ,000 since 2009. They've burned 18 ,000 churches. This is so much more. These are the Islamists, Boko Haram. This is so much more of a genocide attempt than what is going on in Gaza. They are literally attempting to wipe out the Christian population of an entire country. Where are the kids protesting this? Thank you. Thank you.

2:34Piers Morgan:Many prominent figures are now raising the issue. Senator Ted Cruz wrote, since 2009, over 50 ,000 Christians in Nigeria have been massacred. It's a result of decisions made by specific people in specific places at specific times, the United States knows who those people are. A series of stories are followed on major US networks, including Fox, whose interviews on the subject were said to have angered President Trump. The US leader is now threatening Nigeria with, in his words, sweet military action, choosing not to rule out both airstrikes and boots on the ground. He's also threatening to withhold more than a billion dollars in US aid.

3:09Piers Morgan:Just this weekend, government abducted 25 girls from a high school in Nigeria. Boko Haram is being blamed. Understandably, I wanted to find out more about all of this. I expected the Nigerian government to be addressing the situation with urgency and invited the Nigerian Foreign Minister, Yusuf Tugger, to appear on the show. There was a bit of a bad line, but I'm sure that you and many in the White House will find what followed pretty extraordinary. Well, joining me now is the Nigerian Foreign Minister, Ambassador Yusuf Tugger. Welcome to you, Foreign Minister. I appreciate you joining us, Ensen.

3:46Piers Morgan:Thank you for having me, Piers. So, a simple question. If somewhere between 50 ,000 to 100 ,000 Christians have been murdered in Nigeria since 2009, depending on which bit of data you want to take up, and 18 ,000 Christian churches have been destroyed, why isn't it, as some people are claiming, a genocide against Christians in Nigeria? Well, to begin with, those figures are completely and totally inaccurate and false. And many in the media have examined them, they fact-checked them. So they come from inter-society and open doors, and they've been shown to be totally inaccurate. What we have in Nigeria is a multi-ethnic, multi-tribal, multi-religious country of 230 million people.

4:51Our nation-building project is not an easy one. We have suffered from the effects of things that we have no control over, exogenous factors such as the breaking up of the Libyan state, the killing of Gaddafi, the proliferation of weapons and fighters that have cascaded down to the northern fringes of Nigeria and beyond. and have affected the entire region. The failure of the EU Sahel strategy over the years, these are all things that we are suffering the effects of. And we do have Boko Haram in the Lake Chad region that affects not just Nigeria, but three other countries, Niger, Chad, and Cameroon, that we've been contending with, through the multinational joint task force that allows the troops of the countries in the region to pursue the terrorists.

5:5850 ,000 insurgents and people that were caught in the region of the insurgency having surrendered. And we were in the course of processing them, and some were being rehabilitated, others were being processed through the legal system when Niger had to pull out. because of the failure of the EU Sahel strategy and the military that was experienced in Niger, Burkina Faso and Mali.

6:29Piers Morgan:Look, you've made it clear that you believe these numbers are wildly exaggerated. The International Society for Civil Liberties and Rule of Law is a non-governmental organisation that monitors and tracks human rights abuses across Nigeria. In its report in August, it said jihadist groups, including Boko Haram and ISIS in Nigeria, had killed over 100 ,000 Christians in the last 16 years. It also noted that 60 ,000 moderate Muslims have been killed in that period too. Now, I guess my obvious question to you is, if it's not 100 ,000, then how many Christians have been murdered since 2009? And if it's not 18 ,000 Christian churches that have been destroyed, how many is it?

7:14we we in nigeria have christians we have muslims we have atheists we have animists and when we're counting death tolls we don't necessarily go by religion and quite often it's difficult to even identify what religion an individual that has just lost their lives belongs to And what we are concerned about is that they are Nigerians, first and foremost. And we've seen these sort of agitations by faith-based organizations. That is a prelude to the breaking up, to the dismemberment of countries. We've seen it in Sudan. We know this playbook. It's happened. There were agitations to create South Sudan, which was expected to be a predominantly Christian country, separate from North Sudan, which is meant to be a Muslim country.

8:17Now we have a situation where there's fighting, continuous fighting in South Sudan. There's another round about to kick off. The same thing in the North Sudan, where the supposed Muslim fighting each other. So we don't want to be the next Sudan. We will not allow ourselves to be the next Sudan. No, I understand that. The faith-based groups that were agitating Sudan. They're no longer there to fix Sudan. OK. Not north, not south. OK. It's Nigeria as a member of the peace...

8:49Piers Morgan:Let me jump in, if I may. Heavy lifting. Foreign Minister, if I may, I'd like to jump in, if I may, because you do seem to be avoiding my questions. You know, you don't seem to know how many Christians have been murdered, which I find surprising. I'm not. Well, you haven't given me any... You've told me you don't know... I'm not avoiding your questions. Well, just with respect, sir, you have not given... I know what you said. I understand. But you are, yes, what you're saying, if you could let me speak, what you're saying is that you dispute the numbers of Christians that have been reported to have been killed, but you have no idea how many Christians have been killed.

9:34Piers Morgan:what we surely can agree on is how many Christian churches have been destroyed. Do you know how many? Yes, I do. If you owe back taxes to the IRS, they can garnish your wages and levy your bank accounts. They can even seize your retirement or take your home. Don't let the IRS target you. Call the professionals at Tax Network USA. Their top tax lawyers and enrolled agents are experts in the powerful programs that can help you to eliminate your tax debt. Tax Network USA is A-plus rated and has saved more than a billion dollars for their clients. Whether you owe thousands or millions, one phone call can start the process of taking control.

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11:02since 2009, over since the last five years, attacks, not destroyed, attacks on churches 102. So we're not hiding any figures, you see. It's important to understand this. Same way that there are mosques that are destroyed. I don't even have to mention that. Nigeria is configured in such a way that you have Muslim and Christian populations all across the country. There are, of course, states out of the 36 states that we have that have a high concentration of Christians, the same way that there are states where you have a high concentration of Muslims. Take, for example, the more recent attacks that have brought about an intensifying of this false narrative that there's some persecution or, as the likes of Bill Maher even go as far as to say, a genocide.

12:08Well, it's actually more than Bill Maher.

12:10Piers Morgan:If I may, if I may jump in again, if I may play you. I understand. Can I just finish this? If I may jump in, sorry. If I can just finish this, sorry. The governor of Benoist state happens to be a man of the cloth. He's a reverend father. He's a Catholic. So you can see how it is impossible for him to be concealing what is happening. He would be screaming at the top of his voice if indeed there was some genocide or if there was some specific calculated targeting of Muslims, of Christians. But he knows there isn't, and that is why he is not doing so. But let me play you a clip from President Donald Trump about this.

12:57If the Nigerian government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the USA will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria. We're going to do things to Nigeria that Nigeria is not going to be happy about and may very well go into that now disgraced country, guns a-blazing, to completely wipe out the Islamic terrorists who are committing these horrible, horrible atrocities. I'm hereby instructing our Department of War to prepare for possible action. If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist thugs attack our cherished Christians. These are cherished people.

13:37These are great people. Leave them alone. Warning, The Nigerian government better move fast before it's too late. If they don't, there's going to be hell to pay.

13:49Piers Morgan:So what is your message to President Trump, who obviously completely disagrees with you? My message is that we have the utmost respect for the United States of America. We have, by extension, the utmost respect for its president, President Trump. It's unfortunate that President Trump has been misinformed by those that trade in generalized labelings. And unfortunately, it has resulted in this statement. We urge that the engagement that is ongoing continues so that we will provide more information and clarity. We are not the ground for either a jihad nor a crusade. Nigerians have lived in peace, relative peace, with each other for a very, very long period of time.

14:56We are the people that populate the confluence of the rivers Niger and Benue, and we will continue to do so. And it's important to be mindful of the complexity of the Nigerian state. It is a multi-diverse state in so many regards. And it is an ally of the U.S. because we've worked successfully together in the past. And we actually appreciate what President Trump has done in the past. when other subsequent U.S. administrations would not sell Tucano jet fighters to us, sorry, planes, aircraft to us. President Trump acquiesced to that. Some of the things that we're experiencing at the moment have a direct linkage to the application of the Leahy Law to countries like Nigeria, where they were deprived of weapons to maintain peace at home and help also maintain peace in the region.

16:01This is why we continue to experience terrorism in the region, in the Sahel region. Whereas in the past, when we worked successfully together with the U.S., you could see what Nigeria was able to achieve. We resettled Sierra Leone, we resettled Liberia successfully. And our multinational joint task force was very effective. into the type of sex terrorism.

16:27Piers Morgan:Until... Minister, just stay there for a moment, if you will, because joining me now is the former Canadian MP, Goldie Gamari, host of The Goldie Show, who has spoken out frequently at what she says is a genocide against Christians in Nigeria. Goldie Gamari, welcome to Uncensored. What is your response to the foreign minister of Nigeria who says there is no genocide, the numbers of those who've been killed, number of churches attacked has been wildly exaggerated. Well, first of all, Pierce, thank you for having me on. It's a pleasure to be here. You know, Pierce, if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

17:05There is a reason that we're seeing these Islamic militants going around and yelling Allahu Akbar. That's not by coincidence. There's a reason that they are attacking Christians on Christmas Eve. Let's not forget that back in 2014, almost 300 Christian schoolgirls were kidnapped by these Islamic militants, 80 of them, their whereabouts are still unknown. Here's what's happening in Nigeria is jihad. It's the exact same thing that happened on October 7 by Islamists when they broke into Israel and murdered Jews yelling Allahu Akbar. It's the exact same thing that ISIS terrorists did to the Yazidis in Iraq.

17:39It's the exact same thing that happened in Lebanon. Here's the only difference between what's happening today in Nigeria versus what happened 1400 years ago when the Muslim Arab invaders came to Persia, is that back then people did not have cameras, but today they do. It is 100 % jihad. We've seen it before. This is how the Islamist playbook always happens.

18:01Piers Morgan:Well, I don't think that the foreign minister was denying that bad things have been happening. He's just denying that it constitutes a genocide and that the numbers of reported deaths of Christians, of murders of I think his government is complicit. Right now you have an Islamist government in Nigeria. One of the things that he didn't mention to you is that typically it's been a constitutional convention in Nigeria that if the president is Muslim, then the vice president is Christian. If the president is Christian, then the vice president is Muslim. This is intended to have a proper representation of Nigerian population.

18:39Right now, you have a Muslim president, and then they decided to choose a Muslim vice president, and so there is actually no Christian representation in the Islamist government. By the way, this is a government that is working closely behind the scenes with the Islamic Republic of Iran. You should ask the foreign minister why Nigerian children, why Nigerian schoolchildren, are holding pictures of the Ayatollah, who is a brutal dictator and is murdering my people in Iran. People need to look into the linkages between the current Nigerian government and the Islamic Republic of Iran. I was a politician for seven years, Pierce, and I can tell when someone is lying and avoiding the truth.

19:16That's exactly what this foreign minister is doing, and shame on him for lying.

19:22Piers Morgan:Foreign minister, your response to that? With all due respect to the lady, sorry, I forget her name. She has already exposed her ignorance and lack of knowledge about Nigeria. and it's easy for her to sit thousands of miles away and play games with people's lives. These are real lives we're talking about. I'm not the one playing games with people's lives. 7 ,000 Christians have been murdered in Nigeria. 7 ,000 Christians have been murdered in Nigeria. Who's playing games with people's lives? It's not me. She doesn't even know whether Nigeria has a president or a prime minister. You can see how she's waffling.

20:02She's stumbling. but this is typical of... I think you're showing your own ignorance. The fact that you're not able to actually counter what I'm saying and instead you're going after these things that are irrelevant, that just shows how ignorant you are. Sabre rattling. A trade in Sabre rattling, it is typical. You can see she's exposing herself. She doesn't even know the country that she's trying to start a crusade on and drawing comparisons with Gaza. that you know it's clear what she's trying to do we have a constitution that has go and read my my constitution before you even try to have a discussion with me look up sections 10 38 and 42 of our constitution there is federal character enshrined in our constitution it's part and parcel and the priority is the region where you come from, because we don't identify ourselves as Muslims and Christians in Nigeria.

21:05We identify ourselves from regions, geopolitical regions. The Christians disagree. It's where we come from. But do you accept, all right, foreign minister, let me jump in.

21:16Piers Morgan:Let me jump in. Foreign minister, if I may, if I may, Foreign Minister, if I may, if I may, Foreign Minister, do you accept that there is a big problem? You know, we can quibble over precise numbers, but you've already said by your own numbers, over 100 Christian churches have been attacked. You won't commit to how many Christians have been killed. I think you're slightly hiding behind the fact you don't know what all their religion was, but you must know how many people have been killed. I can give you figures. You did not ask You did not ask me. I can give you figures of those that lost their lives.

21:53Piers Morgan:How many Christians have been murdered in Nigeria since 2009? Since 2000, since over the last five years, I can category, category, category tell you that 177 have been killed. And it does not mean that the killing. But you said to me... You said to me earlier... You said to me earlier you didn't... Yeah, but hang on. Hang on. Foreign Minister, with respect... With respect... Foreign Minister... Foreign Minister, with respect, earlier when I asked you that question, you said you didn't know the number because many of the people who've been killed, you didn't know what religion they were. So which is it?

22:39Yeah, so I'm telling you, number killed when churches were attacked. I told you the number of the churches that were attacked.

22:49Piers Morgan:Now, how many Christians... You misunderstood my question. How many... I want to know... I want to know... You... Yes, but, Foreign Minister, you have had United States senators like Ted Cruz saying publicly that at least 50 ,000 Christians have been murdered since 2009. If you're saying that number is wildly exaggerated, What is the number? I keep giving you the numbers, but clearly, you know, you are not... You're not. You're giving me the numbers since the last five years. You can listen to what I'm saying. 102, 177, number injured, 98, number abducted, 7. Okay? So we are not hiding any facts.

23:37But as I said, we don't go about trying to identify a Nigerian's faith when they've lost their lives. But do you condemn, do you condemn, Foreign Minister,

23:53Piers Morgan:Foreign Minister, do you condemn the attacks and the murder on Christians by Islamist groups in Nigeria?