“Shut The F*CK Up!” Joe Kent Quits Over Israel & Trump Attacks ‘Weak’ NATO | With Glenn Beck

24:35Piers Morgan:I mean, his thing about there's going to be a nuclear weapon in two weeks, I don't believe that. Right. I don't know what the intel was. And I said on day one, don't tell me about weapons of mass destruction. They're two weeks away from a nuclear weapon. I've heard that since, you know, the 1990s. I'm tired of that. Show me the proof and I'll go there. So I don't know what the intel was, et cetera, et cetera. I do know what is different this time around, and it doesn't mean it's going to work out, is we talk a lot about the ally of Israel. But the allies all throughout the Middle East are different this time.

25:08They are – I mean he put that council of peace together. And what I think he's trying to do is he's already done it to Europe. He's trying to show Europe, you're toast. You are toast if you can't defend yourself because we're not going to be able to defend you forever. And quite honestly, you're living a pipe dream. Go ahead and try to raise an army with all of the people that you have in your country now that you've let in. So he's taking care of that and saying, we're not going to be babysitting this. We're not going to babysit the Middle East. And I think between the Abraham Accords, the peace council that he put together, he built this coalition that I thought I think he thinks that they're going to we're going to be able to go in strategically hit, not break it like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan, but disable it so that council of Middle East can take control of that region and we can get the hell out.

26:00I think that's what he was thinking. How does it sit?

26:03Piers Morgan:How does it sit with Donald Trump, the campaigner for the 2024 election, repeatedly saying that unlike Biden, Obama, all the others that came before him? I will not take this country into any more of these expensive, unnecessary walls in the Middle East. I'm going to focus on America first. I'm going to focus on the economy. I'm going to bring things roaring back. I'm going to sort out inflation. I'm going to sort out cost of living. Now, when I say this could be a disaster for him in many ways, one way is simply that if the Strait of Hormuz does not reopen properly for weeks or months, God forbid, the knock-on effect in a few months' time on the American cost of living of the average American, both at the gas pump, food prices, and so on, from that straight and foremost being strangled for a sustained period of time, could be absolutely unprecedented and horrendous.

27:01Let me make it worse for you. The 2008 collapse happened because we had sustained oil prices over$130 a barrel. The Western world is not built for$130 a barrel sustained. If this goes poorly, it will collapse the economy, and not just ours but of the West. It is a massive, massive gamble. However, I look at it, again, not endorsing, not anything, just trying to understand his mindset. He told me at one point, I was talking to him about other things, and I said, Are you going to be able to take care of these things in four years? He said, Glenn, I've got two. If you're wanting to fix the American economy and get away from the World Economic Forum and everything else, you have to fix the big fundamentals first.

27:53And so that's what he's doing. He's fixing the fundamentals as he sees them. If you don't get us out of the Middle East, we're going to go back into the Middle East, the next president, because there will be another war. What he's trying to do, and it may work and be miraculous. It may not and be horrible. But that's his gamble. Let me take care of these things now. I've got two years, and those two years are almost up. Let me take care of all of this stuff now. Then the peace dividend that he hopes is going to come from this will then be able to quell everything else. that's why i say i'm glad i i wasn't in the room even near the the question because this is the biggest gamble i've ever seen yeah but he is also an extraordinarily intelligent he doesn't get credit for this an extraordinarily intelligent man he is not duped i just don't believe that he was duped into this he's very clear and he's been clear about this since 1982 on record saying what he would do.

28:55The thing that worried me about the duping bit,

28:57Piers Morgan:not that he was duped, but that he may have been slightly barreled into this by Netanyahu. And the reason I say that is purely based on two things. What Marco Rubio said before they did a screeching U-turn, when he basically said on camera, look, the reason we had to attack preemptively was we were told by another country, Israel, clearly, that they were about to attack Iran. and that as a consequence of that, Iran would respond by attacking American interests. And so we felt we had to act preemptively against that, which was an incredibly convoluted defense, which they then reigned back on. And then, just to finish, Glenn, we then had Antony Blinken, the former Secretary of State, say, well, Netanyahu tried this with both Biden and Obama.

29:45Piers Morgan:He said to both of them, I'm about to attack Iran. Are you with me? And they both said no. And then he ended up not attacking Iran. And that's the only bit of this where I do wonder, you know, Netanyahu went to the White House, I think, eight times in the months leading up to this. You know, did he just wear Trump down and say it's now or never? I think that is a legitimate – I think that's a legitimate question that needs to be answered at some point. I mean, some of the charges that are coming out, you know, they need to be answered. You need to know these things, OK? Nobody gets away with answering it.

30:20But on that particular question, my thought is that's not Benjamin Netanyahu's fault then. You're not – you shouldn't be angry at Israel. You should be angry at Donald Trump. Because – right? Yeah, correct. People want to say that – and look, I'm a huge fan of Donald Trump. I think he's doing a fantastic job. So this is not my opinion. But what I'm trying to say is you can't have it both ways. You can't say Donald Trump is doing a great job. He was duped. Donald Trump has said, why do we have the trade policies that we have? Why do we have all these endless wars? Because our presidents were stupid and they didn't see what was happening and they were duped into it.

30:58So he knows the buck stops with him. And I have to tell you, I know the man well enough to know. I can't – I cannot imagine the person that could dupe him or wear him down. I really can't. I think this is a larger strategy. Whether it turns out to work or not is – be honest. I pray that it does because, honestly, Piers, everybody who is saying we shouldn't be there, let me just take you back to Ronald Reagan. Beirut, if you stop now, we're trapped. You have to finish it now. If you stop now, what do you think you will teach the terrorists of the world? You cannot stop now. Whether you like it or not, what is your option?

31:45If you want to be safe in a Western world from terror operations like Iran, forget about what happened yesterday or the decision that was made a week ago. Right now, you've got to finish it.

31:59Piers Morgan:You have to. I just want to end just by playing. This is a fascinating thing you did. You interviewed an AI version of George Washington. And I just want to play a clip from that because it's very personal, I think. Let's take a look. I said once, to prepare for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace. That's not saber-rattling. That's different. It's insurance. Think of it like this. A homeowner who never locks their door isn't more peaceful. They're just more vulnerable. During the Revolution, even some Virginian leaders wanted to keep pursuing negotiations with Britain. but I came to recognize long before it became popular that some risks had to be met with resolve not appeasement very very interesting comments in light of what we're now watching this is AI this is not chat GPT this is proprietary AI this is only based on all of the founders writings etc etc and that was recorded in January yeah that was not about the war that this is going on.

33:10How pressing.

33:13Piers Morgan:Just finally, Glenn, as you know, the whole conservative movement in America right now is split in a way I've never seen it before. You've got the Ben Shapiro's on one side, you've got Tucker and Megyn Kelly and others on the other. Everyone's raging away, but they're also having massive ideological disputes over a number of different issues in a way I've never seen. What do you what do you make of this quickly? And how do you see this playing out? I unfortunately see it destroying so many people on all sides of this. I mean, I I'm not engaging in. I'm too old for this, especially when we get to micro penis.

33:55I think too old means I'm 13 to engage in that. But we need to have the conversation about principles and not the people i mean i thought about you coming on today i thought you know i used to say horrible things about you i didn't know you and peers every time we get together we might disagree with things but we can have a conversation yeah that's the way we have to solve this i agree and we have not just

34:21Piers Morgan:keep torpedoing yeah i agree and we don't and we don't descend into really bad ad hominem stuff which i think is often the the refuse of somebody who doesn't really want to have the argument because they know potentially their argument is fragile. Times are too serious in your country, in my country, in the entire Western world. This is not playtime. This is time for adults to sit down and have logical conversations and say, ask any question. Everything is fair, but let's have a logical discussion about it. Yeah. Glenn Beck, great to have you back on our sensor. Thank you very much. Thank you.

34:58Piers Morgan:Really good to see you. Bye-bye. Well, let's go back to the panel. Ben Hodges, really interesting listening to Glenn Beck. He's certainly mellowed over the years since I first locked horns with him. But it's really interesting what he was saying there about a number of things, not least the admission that he doesn't know how this is going to work out. He prays it's going to be successful. But I also found that AI clip with the AI George Washington talking, using his actual words, also quite prescient. You know, Donald Trump's argument will be, as would Netanyahu's be, which is that sometimes you have to do this.

35:35If you want to get rid of a greater evil, you have to do tough things.

35:42Piers Morgan:And that's what they're now finally doing. And there's no doubt if you go back and find quotes of every American president since 1979, you will see all of them to a man saying we've got to deal with the Iran problem. Trump's like, OK, I'm the one who finally did. Now, we don't know how it's going to play out, but I can certainly there is a merit to that argument, which is they all talk to good game. Trump's doing something about it.

36:11Well, look, you know, I was a cadet at West Point in 1979 when the Iranians took over the U.S. embassy. So my entire adult professional life, Iran has been the enemy of the United States. So I am not against taking steps necessary to make sure that Iran is not a threat. My issue, I guess, is the how. The United States needs allies. We cannot defend America from North Carolina or from Texas. You need allies. We need forward presence, and we need forward friends. And what our allies have always given us was access, bases, and also intelligence, whether it's in Europe or in the Middle East. And so I think the president's bashing of allies and demanding that they do something when they were not involved in the original planning may not have been the most effective way to get allies to work with us.

37:15The burden is on us to demonstrate, make the case why it's in everybody's shared interest to do this together, not go in there. No warning. Hundreds of thousands of European citizens are trapped, along with American citizens, in the combat zone with no warning. And then we've done this, and now we turn to them and say, you guys, you've got to help us solve this problem. I don't think that's the best approach. Every professional officer I know of any of our services knows how important it is to work with. Well, Ben, you can shake your head if you want. No, but there was warning. We gave a time frame.

37:55Hold on. We've got to deal with facts here. There was a time frame. The president put the time frame out there. We were moving our entire fleet to the Middle East. There were betting sites that had the number of days that you could bet on until we attacked. The president said, if a deal is not done, while we are meeting with the Iranian delegation, you've got 10 days. The idea that there was not a warning, you would have to have been in a coma during the entire Donald Trump presidency since January 1st. The idea that someone was shocked that we attacked when we attacked is insanity. There were multiple warnings, not just for the people that were there from Europe or America.

38:35There were also warnings to get out. There were travel warnings that said you should leave. There were multiple countries that put those out. I even think the UK had one out, if I'm not mistaken, where they were saying you don't want to be there and you should make plans to leave from the consulate. Like, you can't just rewrite and make it up. Like, I think we should deal with facts here. And if you go back to the core here, that Sonny Glenn Beck said that I think everybody should look at. Donald Trump is incredibly brave to do this. You look at Jimmy Carter's quote in 1979, an attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.

39:13Ronald Reagan, we will not permit Iran to intimidate the United States or its allies. George Bush, goodwill begets goodwill, but Iran must end support for terrorism. Bill Clinton, Iran's support for terrorism in pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, this is in 1993, threatens the national security of the United States of America. I'll skip Bush 43. We know what he said. Barack Obama, Iran's actions continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security of the United States of America. Joe Biden, Iran will never get a nuclear weapon on my watch. He also said they are a serious threat to global security.

39:55All of them agreed. There's just one that had the cojones to actually take the political risk instead of kicking the can down the road. And Jimmy Carter said it. I agree with him. Barack Obama said it. I agree with him. Even Joe Biden said it. And I agree with him. Why did they not act?

40:14Piers Morgan:They didn't actually have what needed to be done. You kind of make it the same point I made. I mean, it's Richard Dalton. The interesting thing about this has been the way that the Europeans have reacted. you know almost all the major European countries are just not having any of this war if they can possibly avoid it are they are they right to do that Tony Blair sort of reprimanded Keir Starmer albeit in what he thought was a private speech but he said you know when the Americans ask for Britain to help we've got to say yes that is that is part of being the special relationship that the main ally.

40:50Piers Morgan:And that when Keir Starmer wouldn't even allow permission for the Americans to use our bases without any commitment of British forces, that that was a smack in the face. Do you see it like that? I mean, is it wise for Britain to literally say, we're not going to do anything for you from the get go here? Well, that's not what they said. Your account of British policy, I'm afraid, is a travesty. First of all, Britain was extensively involved in the buildup of American air forces to the Middle East. Secondly, we were not prepared to engage in the offensive phase of the war like our European allies.

41:34And that was for two main reasons. First, Iran's conventional capabilities, including its missiles, its first use of those conventional capabilities was thoroughly contained by American forces, Israeli forces and allied forces in the region. There was not going to be first use by Iran of those missiles. Secondly, and here for a digression to some painful facts, which is that we are here on the nuclear question because President Trump on Israeli advice sabotaged the 2015 deal implemented in 2016, which Iran observed to the letter. It was a disaster. I know that's controversial, but. They were cheating.

42:30It's a disaster. It was a disaster. They were not cheating. That's a lie. I'm trying to listen. But the important point... Pierce, come on. Are you going to let that go? You can respond in a minute, Ben. They were not cheating, and that is attested by the International Atomic Agency that was the referee on this matter accepted by the United States. Mr. Richard, just to jump in. Hang on. Mr.

42:52Piers Morgan:Richard, just to jump in. You know, you were very indignant at what I suggested. And it isn't the fact when you're talking about facts. The fact is that when this attack was determined by the Americans and Israelis, Donald Trump called Keir Starmer and they asked for permission to use our bases. And we said no. We only changed our position on that 36 hours later when actually the Iranians began to attack places that had British citizens. But I'm sure I'm right. I mean, our initial position was to say we're not going to have anything to do with this. We're not even going to let you use our bases to launch your planes from.

43:34Exactly. It had a lot to do with the initial buildup. But the important point that I was getting to is that British policy is based on the fact that there should be, when you go to war, a sound legal base and a proper plan. And everybody knows there was no sound legal base and there was no proper plan. Now, when British interests became directly engaged through Iran's reckless attacks on the Gulf states, then it was right for Britain to change its position and said, yes, your Lancers can fly bombing raids against missile sites from British bases. So I believe the British government has called this right, particularly on the Strait of Hormuz, because simply sending ships where the US Navy is not prepared to go is not the solution.

44:27Piers Morgan:Well, by the way, even if we wanted to, we can't. Right. We have seven mine hunting vessels in the UK fleet. fleet, right, of which three are currently unoperational. Three have to stay in British waters to protect British waters. And the one remaining one was in the Gulf before the war kicked off and has now been brought back. You know, I'm afraid what this has exposed to Richard is, and I speak as somebody with many members of my family who've served in the armed forces, including in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. What is exposed is that our armed forces right now, in terms of our ability to be a meaningful contribution to situations like this are pathetic.

45:11Piers Morgan:Our army's been reduced to the size of a football stadium. Our vessels are pretty well unoperational. You know, the one we are sending is going to take two more weeks to get there. The whole thing looks completely embarrassing. And if you just compare our fleet now with the fleet Margaret Thatcher sent to the Falklands in 1982, It is unbelievably tiny by comparison to what we even had in 82. So I'm afraid that when Donald Trump says, look, you guys aren't serious and we don't really need you. There's kind of a truth to that, isn't there? I mean, why would he? It's symbolic at best. It's symbolic at best.

45:47Piers Morgan:Yeah. I mean, I don't know why. Why would the Americans with half the world's military firepower need the British forces right now, which, frankly, are an embarrassing pittance compared to what we used to have. Yes. Let's hope that in the period now that we've got rid of a conservative government and we've got recovery from the 2008 crash and we've got rid of austerity and we're starting to recover from the disaster of Brexit, we can have economic growth that will allow us to rebuild our armed forces in accordance with our commitments to NATO. Well, I think there are two, honestly, with all due respect, I think looking at the British Chancellor...

46:31Sir Richard, Sir Richard, with all due respect, we have underspoken on defence.

46:36Piers Morgan:Right, but looking at the outpourings from Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor of Exchequer in the UK, there are two hopes of that happening any time soon. No hope and Bob Hope, and he's been dead for at least 20 years. Ben Ferguson. Listen, look, I think Trump, as always, amid all the bluster... We're going to go back to Ben. You know, just to quickly... Yeah, he said Ben Ferguson, not Singh. Sorry, bro. Just give it a second. He'll come to you. Cenk, I'm going to let you round things off, so don't worry. And you can do the equivalent of whatever Ben now says. But Ben, you know, the thing with Trump is, through the brashness and the rhetoric and so on, a lot of it is very incendiary.

47:12Piers Morgan:But there's often a sort of salient point nestling in the middle of it. that was when he called out NATO for not paying their member dues. And it kind of is about the support that he could get from a country like the UK, even if we were prepared to offer it, which is frankly pretty negligible. Yeah, it's symbolic at best. And look, I think this is part of the calculus within this second administration of Trump and the people around him. You look at what you want and then you look at reality. And reality is there's a lot of people in the Trump administration that feel like the U.K. right now is very vulnerable in their own borders.

47:48They have not done enough to protect their own citizens from Islamic extremism in the U.K. right now. The military, as you described it, unfortunately, and I say this because I'm rooting for the U.K. to be able to protect and defend itself, is in a really bad spot. And so did you need it? No. Would it have been great to symbolically have the U.K. stand up? Because, look, we all know in the U.S. that the U.K. may have a problem. is going to call us begging for help. And America will come to the aid of our ally. I think a lot of this just comes down to the hardcore liberal government that you have right now in the UK.

48:23Sharma's not a guy that's going to take chances. He's certainly not fighting to protect his own people in his own country from Islamic extremism that have taken over the UK. So why would we expect them to work with us in Iran? Article 5 of the NATO treaty. All right, let me bring it. I understand your point, but you go back to the core here. Is he going to stand up with the U.S.? The answer is no. And the Trump administration knew that. And that's why we did the right thing no matter what.

48:48Piers Morgan:OK, well, whether it's the right thing or not, time will tell. Cenk, let me allow you to round things off. You know, it looks to me like this is increasingly a massive quagmire from which it's very difficult to see how Donald Trump pulls one of his usual extrication operations where he claims victory and moves on them. Everyone kind of pretends it didn't happen. It's too big a deal for him to be able to do that, I think.

49:19Yeah. So I have a solution to this. But first, let me wade through all the lies that have been said. So if you notice, before the war, people like Ben Ferguson were saying, oh, we're not necessarily going to attack. Donald Trump's a peace president. He's not going to attack. He's not going to put it in ground. That's not what I said ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I never said it. Go find a video. Go look at YouTube. Listen to any one of my shows. I never said that. Not one damn time. Piers, this is why I shout on your program, because every time I start talking, some Israel first son of a bitch comes in and starts talking over me.

49:51Hey, you made all your Israeli talking points already. American flag, bro. Be quiet. Oh, yeah, yeah. My ass. Yeah. Okay. So then here's the other line. Hey, can I just effing talk?

50:03Piers Morgan:You managed to stay relatively calm. Don't blow it out. Yeah. Yeah, okay, but that's what Israel First does. They just jabber, jabber, jabber. Anyway, so here we go. So then Ben said, and all the Israel First clowns said, oh, we're doing this for the Iranian protesters, and once we start bombing them and murdering them, they're going to love us. And now he's saying, well, of course the protesters can't come out in the streets. Never said that either. We're bombing them. We're bombing them. It's pretty impressive. That's what we said. All right. All right, here we go. Will you shut the fuck up?

50:35Will you shut up? We've already heard this stupid Israeli talking point. I'll never be quiet when you put lines into my mouth of things I've never said. I know, that's why we have to shout on this show, because these assholes won't shut the fuck up. Just to be clear, I think there are actually less chances

50:55Piers Morgan:of Ben Ferguson shutting the fuck up than there are of the Bob Pope analogy I gave earlier. So why don't we just assume both of you can be equally garrulous. check finish your point no no i haven't interrupted him once okay so look guys we're ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room for example if somebody was to come in here and they were going to listen to this discussion or debate but we told them ahead of time hey these guys are all clean and honest then they'd listen to it and try to figure out what's happening if we told them ahead of time someone gave them a hundred million dollars to all say the same thing we'd go well then we're a little bit more skeptical to say the least.

51:32So that is what's happening with our politicians. Israel has given Congress 100 million. They've given Donald Trump 337 million dollars. So this is all a fake conversation. These are tiny amounts of money.

51:44Piers Morgan:They spent billions on day one of the war. These are tiny amounts of money you're talking about. You're making up crap. Tiny amounts of money. Piers, are you mental? Do you know how much God spent? $337 million that the Adelsons have given to Donald Trump because he is corrupt and easily purchasable. The Adelsons are corrupt and Israelis. The Israeli Adelsons gave Jonathan Pollard a trip on their private jet back to Israel and celebrated him like a hero because they love people betraying America for Israel. You don't think, you don't think, Jen, get your check. I can prove it. I can prove it. I can prove it.

52:29So tell me if we should put American troops or Israeli troops in. Okay, why are we putting our guys in? Ben Ferguson, that traitor, said that it was no big deal that 13 Americans died. It's a huge deal that 13 Americans died. How do you send your goddamn Israeli friends into a war? They started it. They started it. It was never said by me. Never said by me. You know what? I'm never going to let anyone else on this program talk, because the minute I start talking, they start interrupting. Oh, Israel's the greatest. Israel's the greatest. They bribed all of our politicians. It is exceedingly clear.

53:09So stop working for Israel, you corrupt sons of bitches. Work for America. Here's your solution. Here's your solution, and it's super simple. We get the fuck out of there. We have zero interest in there. None, none, none. So let you put in the ground troops. You put in the ground troops. Ben Ferguson, answer this question. Should we be sending Israeli ground troops or American ground troops? I think there's no major ground troop movements because the president's made it clear we're not invading the country. If you listen to what he said, you would already know that. If we put in ground troops, now that's another lie he'll come back and say, oh, I always said we would have put in ground troops.

53:48You know what? I'm going to call an answer to this. American or Israeli? The truth is... American or Israeli?

53:54Piers Morgan:Which ground troops? Trent, calm down. The truth is the American military has sent several thousand Marines into the area. They'll take a few more days to get there. And as we know, when there was a massive buildup before the war started, there must be a high likelihood they may get deployed. Otherwise, why would you send them? And it may be that Trump calculates that to get to, say, the enriched uranium, he may have to use some ground forces. I hope it doesn't come to that. I think it would be a disaster. But we should see. So why not Israeli ground forces? But we shall see. Why not Israeli ground forces?

54:27Piers Morgan:And Israeli ground forces. Why is that not even being discussed in Washington? Well, you just mentioned it. Why are we so subservient to Israel that we don't even have a national discussion about should it be our troops or should it be Israel's troops? Cenk, you know, sometimes... Oh, so you're saying send in Americans, right? No, but Cenk, sometimes you've got to visit... Guys like Ben Kogos and Randy Piro and Mark Levin all want to send in Americans to die because they think Israelis are superior to us and they think the Israeli lives are so important. 82 % of Americans wanted this war. Only 21 % of Americans wanted this war.

54:59We don't want this war. Only people who want this war are the Israelis. They should fight their own goddamn war. You've made your point. I mean, America's killed on behalf of stupid, irrelevant, disgusting Israel.

55:12Piers Morgan:Cenk, for the sake of your spleen, if nothing else, I'm going to draw an end to this panel debate. I'm totally fine. I just love America. I'm not like these traitors like Ben Ferguson and Ted Cruz, who literally say he's there to serve Israel. I'm going to leave it there. Like a servile dog. Bark for Israel, little doggy. OK, I'm going to leave it there. Serve America. No more America's dead. Just for the record, Ben Fogeson has an America First panel badge on his jacket. Start a national discussion. Make every politician answer why we should die instead of the Israelis. Thank you very much, Cenk, and thank you very much to all of you.

55:47Piers Morgan:I appreciate it. Well, thank you to my panel for joining me today. He nearly got there. He was five minutes away from a glorious first ever Cenk Uygur debate where he didn't lose his mind. Unfortunately, we went on another five minutes. I want to bring two other guests now. Shiva Amini, who's a former Iran women's soccer player who fled the country after being photographed playing without a hijab. And the Iranian activist and regular on Uncensored, Masi Alinajad. Welcome to both of you. Masi, welcome back to the show. What is your view of how this war is going right now?

56:28First of all, thank you so much for having me. we are in the middle of war to be honest my heart is broken when I don't even know whether my family members, my fellow freedom fighters are alive because the regime shut down the internet and they live in a total darkness but no one talks about it no one talks about it this is a war crime that a regime which the officials going to media tour coming to your own show and talking freely, misleading the rest of the world, repeating the narrative of murderous regime, but my people live in a total digital blackout. And we don't know, as I said, me, Shiva, we have no idea whether our beloved family members are alive or not.

57:19But at the same time, I have to say that people are happy. I know that very well because I carry the wound of this war on my own body. Two of my brother, two of them, two of my beloved brothers were injured during the war between Iran and Iraq. And I know that this war is ugly, but this war is being imposed on us Iranians by the Islamic Republic. None of us wanted this war. But we want now the United States of America to finish the job and do not leave the people of Iran alone with a wounded regime. We don't want Ali Khamenei to be replaced with another Khamenei. And believe me, Pierce, when I heard the killing of Ali Khamenei, I celebrated alongside millions of Iranians, especially alongside of the mothers whose children were killed by the same government.

58:16And it breaks my heart when I see now Ali Lorigani, one of the top security guys being killed in the West, Some actually saying that he was the pragmatic leader. And I want to say, yes, I agree with you. Ali Larijani was a pragmatic killer. He was a pragmatic hardliner. And people in my country know that very well. He was the one who ordered the crackdown. He was, Ali Larijani was the one actually made tough decision to attack Arab neighbors. He was the Speaker of Parliament using hostile language against the US. He was the one actually tortured millions of Iranians when he was actually making decision in the Ministry of Culture.

59:08Top security guy suddenly became a pragmatic and reasonable leader in the eyes of left and liberal in the West. That breaks my heart.

59:19Piers Morgan:Yeah, I saw that, too. I saw John Simpson, one of the top BBC editors, you know, he was saying how reasonable that guy was. I was like, reasonable? Really? You think that guy's reasonable? I think any members of this regime at the high level... A reasonable killer. Yeah. Massey, before I go to Toshiba for her story, one question that keeps being asked is, why has there been no sign of any uprising on the streets, given the military success that the Americans and Israelis appear to be having? My conclusion has been, and correct me if you think I'm mischaracterizing what is happening, is that it's twofold.

59:57Piers Morgan:One, obviously people remember what happened in January when many thousands of protesters were killed in the uprising then. And secondly, obviously lots of bombs are flying around and the streets are a very dangerous place to be out on right now. Is that the two pronged reason we're not seeing any real protests yet? let's be very very clear the entire nation my beloved country is being traumatized of seeing the dead bodies that you know piled on the top of each other in the streets pierced we never forget that more than 32 000 people have been killed in january and they stormed into hospital finishing off the wounded one, gang raped the nurses who were helping the wounded ones.

1:00:51This is the reality. And how come we expect people to take back to the street? There is still mourning for their children. Bombs are falling. And I think the next wave will be much heavier. But instead of asking that why people are not in the streets, I believe that we need to ask questions to Europe. especially I'm asking Prime Minister Kirill Sommer, who actually decided to send his representative to the embassy in London to celebrate the anniversary of the Islamic Republic. The same regime massacred innocent and unarmed people. We need to actually ask these leaders who are safe, they have power, not asking, you know, powerless people of Iran who face mass killings, that's why you're not in the street.

1:01:44We must ask those anti-war activists who were saying free Palestine, free Palestine, where are they? Why they are not in the streets? Because if we want to free Palestine, we need to free Palestine from Hamas and the greatest sponsor of terrorism, which is Islamic Republic. I don't think this is a moral question asking unarmed Iran who actually faced massacre and torture that why you are not in the street while you are cut off from the rest of the world when you don't have Internet. And I really I really want to ask European leaders, the leaders of G7. Where are you? Why the diplomats are walking freely on your own soil?

1:02:28Why you don't kick out them? Why the embassies are still open? This is a barbaric regime, Pierce. This is a barbaric regime that totally, totally, you know, putting people in darkness. And none of the leaders are talking about them. We are not the warmongers. The Islamic Republic is a warmonger. And I get angry when I see that people saying that, oh, you're welcoming war. No. Every single night we go to bed crying. Shiva, my hero, soccer player, she can tell you how now we are worried for the soccer players being forced to go back to Iran. Well, that's what I wanted to... So that's why Iranians are not in the streets.

1:03:09Piers Morgan:Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk to Shiva about. Because, Shiva, for those who don't know your story, you played on the Iran national women's football team until 2017. And at that point, you were pictured playing football with male friends in Switzerland. It was deemed a crime by Iran's regime because you weren't wearing a hijab. And you were told it would be too dangerous for you to go back home. You said at the time, I lost everything, my family, my safety, my home, even my dog. You still have money in an Iranian bank account you can't access. After trying to get your family to visit you abroad, your mother was finally granted leave by Iran.

1:03:48Piers Morgan:Your father was blocked. While your mom was visiting, your father died. You were unable to return to Iran for his funeral. You still fear for friends and family in Iran. And you're often too afraid to check your phone for news in the morning. So that's a pretty harrowing account of what you went through and continue to go through. And of course, we have this replicated now by these Iranian national women's football players in Australia. initially a number of them seven of them wanted to have humanitarian visas to stay in the country after they did their protest by not singing the anthem but now only two remain and the word is the others were bullied and threatened and persuaded to go back because of reprisals against their family, and you know all too well what those reprisals can look like.

1:04:45Piers Morgan:So welcome to Uncensored Achiever. But what is your view of what has been going on with these Iranian women's football players? So, look, Pierce, it's beyond sad because you saw that picture of those female athletes, Iranian soccer players in Australia, when they actually had a big smile without hijab on. And you could see freedom and joy in their eyes. But at the same time, they were worried. And because of the regime, because the regime held hostage their families. And in that moment, I totally understand them because the regime put you in that situation. you have only two choices, or think about yourself, your future, and be free, or return back to Iran because the regime threatened your family.

1:05:48So I can explain to you, like, there is a big guilt on your shoulder because you feel guilty. You know, it's really hard to be in that situation. I totally understand them. But at the same time, let me tell you something, because I was in contact with them. And it's so sad because their manager was actually working with Iranian Federation and at the same time with IRGC. So she asked asylum in Australia because she wanted actually to get information. and her mission was to convince them to get back to Iran. So after that, they decided to get back because, for example, Zehra Gambari, the captain of the team, she recently lost her dad.

1:06:48And after she asked asylum in Australia, they got hostage her mom. You know, this is really sad. And they are under massive pressure. Yeah. So they decided to get back. And today you saw that video that they are, like, with that hijab again, depressed, under pressure. And those pictures can tell you everything about this regime. This is the regime strategy, the regime tactic to put and get hostage your family to control you. So the next step is the regime actually forced them to make a statement in national TV, like regime TV, to praising them, to praising regime. And they cannot be free. Even those two players, Atefe and Fateme, they decided to stay in Australia.

1:07:52But they are under pressure as well because their family are in Iran. And I'm really worried. And I cannot understand what they are going through.

1:08:03Piers Morgan:Well, nobody nobody would know better than you. What they're going through is extraordinarily brave and heroic. Obviously, the potential consequences are enormous for them, for their families. And it's a desperate situation. I want to thank you both very much indeed. Massey, for coming back to the show again. Always good to have you. You are such an eloquent and powerful and passionate advocate for change back in Iran. Thank you so much for having me and Shiva. Thank you. And Shiva as well. And I hope next time you will bring the women who were shot in their eyes because none of your audience ever heard of their stories, peers.

1:08:39I will do that.

1:08:40Piers Morgan:I will do that. I think it's better than these old bunch of men you bring in, them fighting. It's not about debating. It's our live experience. And you can bring the world to hear the women with one eye. They can talk about the real war being imposed on us Iranians by Islamic Republic. I will tell you now, I will do that. If we can find the right people, we'll get them on. OK, you have a deal. Thank you so much. OK, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you both very much.

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