"STILL Claiming To Be The Boot?" Tim Pool vs Dave Smith On ICE

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0:30Dave Smith:When these people come out and go, Tim's a bootlicker for defending us, I'm like, no, no, you misunderstand. It's my boot.

0:36Tim Pool:This is the gayest, cringiest shit I've ever seen. You are an eight-year-old boy playing with action figures right now. If Tim wants to identify as a boot, I will respect his pronouns.

0:47Piers Morgan:Tim, are you still proudly claiming yourself to be the boot?

0:54Piers Morgan:The events of the past few weeks have been emotive and divisive on many levels, including among those who vociferously backed Donald Trump to be president. The attempts to justify Alex Petty's death, for example, sparked debate about the scale and effectiveness of the ICE crackdown, as well as claims of hypocrisy about the right to protest and to carry guns. And Marjorie Taylor Greene summed up the broader MAGA divide in her recent appearance on Bill Maher.

1:20Tim Pool:MAGA, to me, meant secure the border, no more foreign wars, no more regime change. We should care about grocery prices. We should care about housing prices. We should care about the next generation. We should care about the national debt, which I think you totally agree on. And we should release the Epstein files. We should have government transparency. That's what we campaigned on. And I don't know how in one year's time, MAGA all of a sudden becomes OK with bombing foreign countries, OK with regime change against releasing the Epstein files. So that's the split, is there's a lot of people that voted for what we thought MAGA was, and then it evolved into something else.

2:03Piers Morgan:Well, those who've remained in the president's camp have been accused, among other things, of bootlicking. As you've probably seen by now, Tim Pool gave an eye-catching response to this particular claim, and Dave Smith gave an equally eye-catching response to him. Both clips are out-of-context snippets of much broader arguments, but we make no apologies for showing them both again.

2:25Dave Smith:So the argument right now is this. I'll put it simply. First of all, when these people come out and go, Tim's a bootlicker for defending us, I'm like, no, no, you misunderstand. It's my boots. It's mine. I voted for them. I'm wearing the boot. I'm stomping on the ground. I ain't licking anybody. I'm clapping for these people that I said, please go out and enforce the law and anybody else who's cheered for who voted for it too we're all wearing the boots you're the one crying you're the one saying okay you're coming in

2:55Tim Pool:Tim brother this is the cringiest shit I've ever seen in my life this is the gayest cringiest shit I've ever seen you you are an eight-year-old boy playing with action figures right now but you're an adult broadcasting this to hundreds of thousands of people like this is just so god damn i mean i i don't know like dude this has crossed the line of like it's not even in political commentary anymore you're like in some type of fetish right now you're wearing the boot i'm wearing the boot and i'm crushing everybody i crushed you and i crushed you like tim what the fuck are you doing right now bro well we thought it only fair and reasonable uh to bring the two

3:36Piers Morgan:protagonists together to discuss bootgate so welcome to tim pool and dave smith how's it going what's up pierce what's up tim tim are you still proudly claiming yourself to be the boot or have you had time to reflect no i think the point of that comment was

3:56Dave Smith:i had i had made a post on x where i said i said something to the effect of freddy was conspiring with a group to obstruct federal law enforcement, did not show up to a protest. He showed up to an operation to obstruct federal law enforcement, resisted arrest. It was an unfortunate circumstance where the agents yell, gun, gun, gun. One guy sees Freddie holding a phone in his hand. A gunshot goes off. I don't think anybody was going to that day. This is the gist of the argument. I don't think the agents were trying to murder someone that day. I don't think Freddie went there with the intention of murdering everybody.

4:28Dave Smith:And by saying that, I have these people tweeting that I'm a bootlicker because I'm defending ICE because they went out and you've got a spattering of some libertarians that are arguing this is a peaceful protest or just filming and many liberals making the same claim. And so my response is I voted for ICE to go out and do this. I was promised in 2024 that Donald Trump was going to employ ICE, CBP. They were going to make these arrests. So it's not that I'm defending and licking their boot as they go out and do this. It's literally it's me saying, gentlemen, please, would you go out and engage in these operations?

5:05Dave Smith:Now, I'm not happy that pretty died or these conflicts are happening, but these are these are agents enacting the political will of me and many others who voted for it.

5:16Piers Morgan:Dave Smith, your response?

5:18Tim Pool:um well i would just first off say that tim knows that i love him and we did uh we did make up on on twitter there uh can we not start with them can we not start a mollifying comment like that pierce uh pierce you really are even even in recovery pierce is still just sparking fights

5:35Piers Morgan:i love it i'm glad to see i'm so glad joe rogan joe rogan if i may say in between um he had Andrew Wilson on a couple of days ago and in between mocking me for my injury and suggesting I have a 10 year lifespan now as a result of having a new hip put in and saying I was in no shape and that's why this happened to me. Notwithstanding that he did say that I'm the best cat wrangler in the world by which he meant I bring guys like you together and I wrangle as you go at it and so starting from such a peaceful position doesn't appeal, Dave, to my cat wrangling skills.

6:16Tim Pool:Well, I second Joe and Andrew's opinion there. Not the 10 years part, the cat wrangling part. But if Tim wants to identify as a boot, I will respect his pronouns and I will try to be respectful here. I think that, I think, look, what the pretty shooting, again, as we know, we've all been burned on things like this before. Sometimes there's information that isn't available, context that isn't available in the video. What we have in the video of him being shot looks about as bad as any shooting could look. He wasn't resisting arrest. He wasn't being violent in that moment. And it doesn't really matter what happened 11 days earlier.

6:56Tim Pool:Like eight officers have him on the ground, disarm him. Yes. One of them starts frantically yelling gun. And then they like pump nine bullets into a guy who's not a threat to anybody. So the shooting itself looks very bad. If you want to get into the details of that, the real question, which no one seems to be addressing, is what happened right before that that warranted shoving a woman in that manner? For any man to ever put his hands on a woman in that manner, you better have a damn good reason for doing it. And no one's offered one. But what the administration has done is had all of its top spokespeople lie through their teeth, including the head of the FBI claiming that it's illegal to bring a gun to a protest.

7:37Tim Pool:And the head of the Department of Homeland Security claiming that he was there to assassinate a bunch of officers and do as much damage as possible. I think it was Stephen Miller who called him a domestic terrorist. This stuff is absurd. And the broader picture that I think everyone's missing here is that ICE and Border Patrol are not doing what Tim voted for them to do. Mass deportations are not happening. Donald Trump walked away from mass deportations over a year ago when he said They won't be deporting people from hospitality and farming. Translation, in other words, big business likes the cheap labor and they don't want those people deported.

8:15Tim Pool:And Donald Trump backed off, as he has done basically throughout his entire five years of being president, sold out the American people on behalf of big business. And, you know, this stuff in in Minnesota, this is all theater. There's like maybe 200000 illegals in all of Minnesota. They sent 3 ,000 agents into Minneapolis. We're not getting huge numbers of people here. And instead, what you're getting is you're getting left-wing activists who are looking for a fight. And then, Pierce, as I'm sure you've seen, Tim, I'm sure you've seen, which in a lot of videos, ICE and Border Patrol agents who are also looking for a fight, who are going around intimidating regular people, lying to them about what their constitutional rights are.

8:58Tim Pool:I've seen dozens of videos where these ICE agents are telling people that it's illegal to film, threatening to put regular people on a list of domestic terrorists. Their faces are covered. They're not identifying themselves. They're grabbing people at random Walmarts and dropping them off eight miles away. This is all. All we're getting out of this is a bunch of violence and a massive provocation of the worst elements of the left wing activists. It's a huge loss for all of us. Yeah.

9:25Piers Morgan:And Tim, you know, what I think is so sort of weird about this is that there's not a lot of difference between Donald Trump's view of the immigration issue and Barack Obama's. There are plenty of clips doing the rounds at the moment of Barack Obama talking like Donald Trump about immigration. Obama, as we now know, deported over three million people, but he didn't get anything like the attention that Trump's deportation record is getting. And as Dave just said, he's not deporting anything like the same numbers. I don't understand, having had a thumping win on the southern border, Donald Trump, pretty much shutting it down after the ridiculous farce of four years of Biden just opening it up, having got that big win, why he didn't just do what Obama did a lot of the time, which is he went to the governors of individual states and he said, right, how many illegal immigrants do you have in prisons who've committed other crimes?

10:23Piers Morgan:We're going to deport them all. And that's apparently a large number of the people that he deported were those types of people. Most Americans would agree with that. If Trump just did a deal with every individual state governor to deport undocumented people in prison for other crimes, I think most Americans would agree with that. So why has he allowed himself, I think, by people in his administration, like Stephen Miller and others, to be sucked into a much wider, much more problematic program of masked ICE agents running around like a bunch of fascists, as many people have called them, you know, just bashing doors down, running into Home Depot, seizing anyone who might be there undocumented?

11:12Piers Morgan:That's a far more complex thing and far less popular.

11:17Dave Smith:There's a lot to break down just with what you, what David said and what you have said. And I'll start here with you mentioning the masks. I heavily criticized the DHS and the Trump administration going back to the election, saying that we should not live in a country where our law enforcement are masking up and we can't see their faces. We don't want to live in a country like that. The argument I got largely from Trump supporters is that while they're threatened by domestic terrorists, they'll come to their homes, they'll kill their family. And my response is, guys, if we are actually at the point where you genuinely believe leftists are going to show up to the homes of ICE agents and murder their families, then the problem of immigration is much smaller.

11:55Dave Smith:We're in civil war at this point. And there are some arguments that we have seen in Minnesota. They went to the homes of suspected federal agents. They smashed vehicles. They stole weapons. So all of those things are pushing us to this point where the hardcore Trump side is never going to give up on, you know what, we're fighting a demonic force or whatever. We're going to mask up and do these things. I think that's a dangerous prospect. I will say then to your point about Trump cutting deals with the governors, I believe that was actually the point of contention with Minnesota. In many of these other states, Trump just cut a deal with these governors.

12:27Dave Smith:And I believe the reason for the initial deployment was a combination to Minnesota was a combination of the Somali fraud story being massive. Trump probably wanted to win. Stephen Milley probably wanted to win some kind of show of force. But also that Minnesota was not cooperating in the same way. So the supposed drawdown, which I don't know we're actually getting where, he brings out Bovino. He reassigns Chrissy Noem, was predicated upon, OK, Tim Waltz called me on the phone and we're going to try and work out a deal. Homan said, just give us the criminals from the jails and then we can be done with this.

12:58Dave Smith:So what I will then say to all of Dave's point is 90 percent agree. Trump, I said Trump needs to stand down or suit up. These half measures are ridiculous. You're getting these videos of ICE agents falling for leftist adjutant prop, making these perfect PSAs to make Trump look bad. And quite honestly, Dave just is looking bad. when, as Dave pointed out, these guys are saying, I'm going to put you on a domestic terror watch list. I watched one video where a guy was filming an immigration stop from his porch, and an ICE agent, or it might have been CBP, walks up down to his porch to stop him from filming.

13:34Dave Smith:I mean, these go way over the line. So, yes, Trump needs to, he needed to either just stop the protests, cut a big deal, or insurrection act, none of this stupid stuff, or just back off. And I think either play works. I think the backing off wholly would be would be good. My proposal to Trump actually was very, very simple, not literally to Trump, but just in general. And that's visit Minneapolis, visit the Twin Cities. No Insurrection Act, no DHS, no military. Just literally say, I'm going to come down, have a meeting with the mayor and the governor. And what that would do is it would de facto lock down these violent protests that we're seeing, these riots.

14:13Dave Smith:It would stop these occupations that we're seeing, we're seeing checkpoints, because then you get a natural security presence. And Trump doesn't have to say, I'm putting the boot down. All he has to say is, I want to talk to the governor about how we tone things down. He hasn't done that. And I also want to throw heavy criticism towards this argument that Freddie was trying to massacre people was ridiculous. I think what we saw with the pretty situation where I disagree with Dave is he is clearly resisting arrest doesn't mean he deserves to die. It doesn't mean the agents were good. I don't think the agents were like, let's kill a guy.

14:44Dave Smith:I think it's a crowd of people, largely the agents overreacting. I imagine it's due to being I think the report was 50 people had been stalking them and obstructing them that day. Pretty was just being one of them. And these guys are on edge. Now, I've made the argument DHS law enforcement need to be beyond above board because of the scrutiny they're going to face. I've argued they should be wearing polo shirts and khakis. They shouldn't be going out with masks and armor because the most important thing is the American people know that we're doing this lawfully and by the book. I think these guys went out there after this ongoing campaign where, you know, if you watch the videos even from today, you've got these leftists masked up.

15:25Dave Smith:You can't see any part of their faces, and they're pulling vehicles over, demanding their paper, saying, show me your IDs and prove to me you are who you are. Jorge Ventura's got a video where they walk up to a Somali driver and then ask him to confirm he's not ICE because he's in a database. So certainly I can criticize Trump, but the things these people are doing on the ground is insane. So I can imagine you've got CBP agents, hot on edge, terror attacks against ICE and CBP last year. people are being killed, or at least they're trying to kill, and they're overreacting. That is their responsibility.

15:58Dave Smith:I'm not going to cut any slack for overreacting, just to point out that they are. And the circumstance around Freddie's death was unfortunate, shouldn't have happened. I look at this from a, what ingredients have you thrown to the pot? You've got leftists organizing, creating databases, going on shift. Freddie was on a shift. He was on duty. They have a list of people you are assigned a duty he went out there with the intention of obstructing and conspiracy to obstruct and obstruct our felonies again not saying it justifies him being killed or anything like that the agents are on edge everybody's boiling over and when you put all these ingredients into a pot you show up with the with the with the sig to obstruct police when they when they shove you and push you and then try to arrest you you resist and i'm not saying he was resting like punching cops but he's clearly not submitting laying down and putting his hands behind his back for you know what i i hate to say but it sounds like there was a defective sig discharge which resulted in them freaking out and shooting him well we don't we don't know that yet and what

16:57Piers Morgan:we do know is that the one of the agents took away one of the agents took away the guy's gun you can see that before they start shooting so the whole thing was a complete fiasco um And he's still holding a black object in his hand in his hand.

17:11Dave Smith:Exactly. So a shot is fired. He's got a black object in his hand. And the other agents, after the shooting, yell, where's the gun? Where's the gun? They just don't know. No, no, it may be.

17:21Piers Morgan:Look, I think we have to wait for that, because apparently this particular type of gun has got a track record of sometimes doing that. Let's wait and see. Others say there's been no suggestion it fired at all, but we'll see. I broadly agree with a lot of what you just said. Dave, one of the problems of this is because of these two back-to-back incidents involving ice, a lot of ice hatred has built up now, fermented as very predictably by the celebrity world, by Hollywood. We saw the Grammy Awards, everybody queuing up to pound ice. But you also see people like Billie Eilish, who's a fantastic talent.

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18:47Tim Pool:And yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now. And I just I feel really hopeful in this room and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting. and our voices really do matter.

19:03Piers Morgan:Now, the problem with that is obviously she's got a lovely home in California. So what she's now given is anyone who wants to go in and inveigle their way into her home a license to do it because her own home is on illegal land, right? So once you take the premise that all of this land was illegally acquired, then there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant. then you're back to the Biden era on steroids where 20 million, 30 million, 40 million can come in because actually none of this is illegal. And when you've got a major pop star saying that, to me, that's really problematic. That will fly around TikTok.